This compiler lets you access the.net framework, which is an ECMA standard. So it'll let you access Mono's, or p-net's class libraries. As well as Microsoft's.
The "big deal" as you say, is that you can do the access the other way. So in my C# program, or VB.net, or Perl.net, I can make use of those elegant functional construct whenever I feel like it!
Although Windows 2k processes are constrained to 32-bits (2GB for process 2GB for OS), Windows 2000 itself supports PAE (36-bit addressing - up to 64GB), so you can run a lot of 4GB processes.
And processes can use more than that with Address Windowing Extensions (AWE) which allows you to window sections from the larger address space into your virtualised address space.
If people are going to criticise, please do so on the basis of fact. I use Linux and Win2k extensively - each has their good points and each has their bad points.
Yes, although mint is the "mono interpretter", rather than the just-in-time version, which is also under development.
The idea is that mint is fairly platform agnostic and can be used to move the mono runtime onto new architectures quickly - whereas the jit is quite heavily platform dependant.
The jit works in the main, but there is more work to do here than with the interpretter.
There's also lots of work going on to complete the framework (runtime), and perfect garbage collection etc. Overall, the project is very exciting. Why don't you join in?:-)
For those that don't understand the difference. Two months ago, the mcs was able to compile itself on Windows, using the Microsoft implementation of the framework (ie the core.net libraries).
Now MCS is able to compile itself using the mono runtime.
It's not trully OO language - for example types - once you use a standard integer you can forget above doing OO above it. You'd have to use a standard object integer type (which is included) but nobody uses it (speed reason). It's kinda procedural language (not quite but...)
This isn't true. C# and the common runtime language uses a system called boxing to translate value types (like integers etc) into the generic objects when needed. So you get the speed of value types with the flexibility of any type being able to be represented as an object.
Best wishes
James
Re:Xenophobia and pig headedness ?
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The above post should be +1 Insightful. Well, it certainly was for me. I am a UK resident and a European advocate and have always thought that my fellow countrymen have been too sceptical and should embrace Europe.
We can accomplish much more together than apart.
However, I always find it interesting to see how our European cousins see us, especially when it is not obvious because we're too busy arguing about Europe amongst ourselves!
Re:Simple question..
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As the Chancellor said in his October 1997 statement, the Five Economic Tests will define whether a clear and unambiguous case can be made. The Five Tests are:
* sustainable convergence between Britain and the economies of a single currency;
* whether there is sufficient flexibility to cope with economic change;
* the effect on investment;
* the impact on our financial services industry;
and
* whether it is good for employment.
Some comentators have suggested that these conditions are so vague that it would be easy to claim we have met them, or haven't as required. Unfortunately I don't understand the economics enough.
What I will say though, is as a Director of UK software company that exports to Europe, and as a frequent traveller to Europe, the quicker we get the Euro the better.
IBM based BBS' usually used 8-n-1, as they wanted to send IBM extended characters to their users.
The early BBS' which ran at 1200/75 (V.23) or 300/300 (V.21) often ran at 7-e-1 to give some sort of basic error correction as in these path-finding (and often accoustic-coupler lead) days errors due to l{ne no{se were common.
I wonder where Microsoft (or anyone else distributing binary BSD-licensed software) does this. At least I didn't find it in Windows 2000's documentation (both online and offline). I have only the OEM version so my only manual is a quick start guide, but still the notice should be somewhere if Microsoft doesn't break the license.
I don't know about Windows 2000, but I've got RTM Windows XP here. On the CD in the root directory is a README file. Here's some of it...
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since M$ confusingly dropped FoxPro (a vastly superior program to Access), there's nothing out there for the semi-computer-literate guys & girls who need decent databases.
Pardon? Microsoft have never dropped FoxPro. In fact, v7 is in beta now and available to download if you're an MSDN subscriber.
However, I will agree that it hasn't been promoted up against Access/VB.
United Devices & distributed.net working together
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This article at distributed.net DISTRIBUTED.NET AND UNITED DEVICES JOIN FORCES tells how most of the distributed.net team are now working for United Devices.
Not necessarily a bad thing, depending on the scope of UD's future projects. I'm all for a simple distributed client that can handle multiple projects - as long as you can elect which ones you take part in.
I'll give United Devices the benefit of the doubt for now.
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This compiler lets you access the .net framework, which is an ECMA standard. So it'll let you access Mono's, or p-net's class libraries. As well as Microsoft's.
.net
The "big deal" as you say, is that you can do the access the other way. So in my C# program, or VB.net, or Perl.net, I can make use of those elegant functional construct whenever I feel like it!
_That's_ the power of
Although Windows 2k processes are constrained to 32-bits (2GB for process 2GB for OS), Windows 2000 itself supports PAE (36-bit addressing - up to 64GB), so you can run a lot of 4GB processes.
And processes can use more than that with Address Windowing Extensions (AWE) which allows you to window sections from the larger address space into your virtualised address space.
If people are going to criticise, please do so on the basis of fact. I use Linux and Win2k extensively - each has their good points and each has their bad points.
Yes, although mint is the "mono interpretter", rather than the just-in-time version, which is also under development.
:-)
The idea is that mint is fairly platform agnostic and can be used to move the mono runtime onto new architectures quickly - whereas the jit is quite heavily platform dependant.
The jit works in the main, but there is more work to do here than with the interpretter.
There's also lots of work going on to complete the framework (runtime), and perfect garbage collection etc. Overall, the project is very exciting. Why don't you join in?
For those that don't understand the difference. Two months ago, the mcs was able to compile itself on Windows, using the Microsoft implementation of the framework (ie the core .net libraries).
Now MCS is able to compile itself using the mono runtime.
Hope this helps
It's not trully OO language - for example types - once you use a standard integer you can forget above doing OO above it. You'd have to use a standard object integer type (which is included) but nobody uses it (speed reason). It's kinda procedural language (not quite but ...)
This isn't true. C# and the common runtime language uses a system called boxing to translate value types (like integers etc) into the generic objects when needed. So you get the speed of value types with the flexibility of any type being able to be represented as an object.
Best wishes
James
We can accomplish much more together than apart.
However, I always find it interesting to see how our European cousins see us, especially when it is not obvious because we're too busy arguing about Europe amongst ourselves!
* sustainable convergence between Britain and the economies of a single currency;
* whether there is sufficient flexibility to cope with economic change;
* the effect on investment;
* the impact on our financial services industry;
and
* whether it is good for employment.
Some comentators have suggested that these conditions are so vague that it would be easy to claim we have met them, or haven't as required. Unfortunately I don't understand the economics enough.
What I will say though, is as a Director of UK software company that exports to Europe, and as a frequent traveller to Europe, the quicker we get the Euro the better.
IBM based BBS' usually used 8-n-1, as they wanted to send IBM extended characters to their users.
The early BBS' which ran at 1200/75 (V.23) or 300/300 (V.21) often ran at 7-e-1 to give some sort of basic error correction as in these path-finding (and often accoustic-coupler lead) days errors due to l{ne no{se were common.
Best wishes
James
I don't know about Windows 2000, but I've got RTM Windows XP here. On the CD in the root directory is a README file. Here's some of it...
If they're thinking about internet connectivity for these cars - why not do the obvious thing and connect drivers over the internet?
Better than an artificial conversation - talk to someone over the other side of the world about why they're driving late, and where they're going.
That'd be better than any artificial computer-generated conversation, I'll bet.
SELECT DISTINCT c.name
FROM customers c JOIN collections cl ON
c.id = cl.id
WHERE cl.debt > 0
Although you need an ANSI SQL-92 compliant dbms to handle this.
Pardon? Microsoft have never dropped FoxPro. In fact, v7 is in beta now and available to download if you're an MSDN subscriber.
However, I will agree that it hasn't been promoted up against Access/VB.
This article at distributed.net DISTRIBUTED.NET AND UNITED DEVICES JOIN FORCES tells how most of the distributed.net team are now working for United Devices. Not necessarily a bad thing, depending on the scope of UD's future projects. I'm all for a simple distributed client that can handle multiple projects - as long as you can elect which ones you take part in. I'll give United Devices the benefit of the doubt for now.