I could not agree more, this article is just a flagrant waste of societies valuable HTML resources.
I'm sure he got rid of those weak SGI boxes which are not at all optimized for sim development, to develop his Real-time 3D sims(VR) on one of those much more powerful PC's with windows installed; because you and I both know that Unix was build for a command prompt and thats it.
I have read a lot of opinions on this offtopic topic and just wanted to provide my two cents. A 3D interface can be beneficial to an OS even if it is just for the cool factor alone. Take for example the movie Johnny Mnemonic which in my opinion provided some very interesting ideas about how a 3D interface could be extremely beneficial. The first thing that I saw in this movie that struck me as beneficial was a password system based on an object much like a Rubik's cube but in a diamond shape. I was amazed at the simplicity of this idea, the user remembered and input a visual pattern instead of a word. Obviously this was a movie so there was no underling logic but I would imagine that this system would be based on underlining numbers or a bitmap comparison system instead of words. The second thing was a map system where the user would pull out a map touch a particular area and move to that area. This would be extremely useful for directions, city planning, existing building schematics, disaster relief, etc. etc. There are reasons that 3D makes more sense in certain scenarios but I do not think that an absolute 3D OS is the answer. I would hate to see a word processor implemented in 3D. I think a highbred of the two OSs would offer the best advantage.
Also, It was mentioned that 3D does not translate well onto a 2D monitor. I think FPS games discredit that argument. I would also like to note that a good stereoscopic headset these days retails for about as much as a professional 21" monitor and if a 3D interface was developed it would place a higher demand on headsets reducing there price even further.
Back in the fifties they used to joke about selling water, as it is a freely available commodity and they could not fathom anyone paying for it, Evian anyone! The point being is that your air analogy may not hold true in the future, as the future cannot be predicted. The same can be said for the commercial Linux market. Linux is new to the commercial sector and has not had time to run its course to see if it is a viable venture. Using stock prices will only help to serve the confusion about the state of Linux in the commercial sector, as pretty much everyone is tanking right now. Another point I would like to make is about the biotech companies. After years of loss these companies are now enjoying a healthy profit. This is due in part to the breaking of genetic codes. This in turn allowed them to design new life technologies such as insect resistant plants, in which they are now reaping the rewards of labor and losses past. If you had taken a snapshot of their stock prices before the genetic sequence discoveries you would have discounted an extremely profitable new industry. This point serves as a directive to you that once again you do not know what the future holds.
I myself would really like some closure on this one too. I guess this guy has not responded to anyone in quite some time. I have given serious consideration to heading up a free software 3D app effort, as most for Linux are lacking right now and it is the only thing binding me to keeping a windows system. I have pulled down all of the old copies I could find of the source but I cannot find that.9 source. This may be a perfect base to start a new project off of but if the developers are going to continue developing it then, I do not want to duplicate effort, as there is enough of that going on already. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
In my opinion this has nothing to do with MS wanting to get along with other
vendors. You state that Microsoft understands that companies do have multiple
systems in their environments which need to work together. I think this
would be better stated as:
Microsoft understands that companies use other vendors systems. In an effort
to push their Data Center product onto the big iron market they are going to leverage
their existing midrange market by deploying.NET.
By releasing.NET for other systems but keeping core components such as ADO
specific to Microsoft systems. Microsoft can then proclaim the benefits of
moving to Data Center to support all of the core.Net features. This is a scary
proposal because MS could make.NET communicate with existing big iron systems
and then say, well if you want the super deluxe do it all features you are going
to have to move to Data Center. This accomplishes two things first it nullifies
the cost associated with moving to an entirely new system and makes it easy to
move from other vendors a piece at a time but not vice versa.
Another point is, by them alluding to its cross platform nature many small
companies will garner the mindset of, well we will build it with.NET on MS now
and then move to a bigger system later. They may very well find out that some of
their code is not as portable as the were led to believe due to some components
not being available on other systems.
I don't think they want to play nice now. There still in the one world one OS
mindset.
On the flip side I do like the idea that I could call a Java method from a VB/C# / Pascal / etc. app.
Touching oneself in a virtual environment is still touching oneself.
You get em Sun. Thanks for standing up for us little people against those
huge oppressive corporations that use practices like forcing technology on
us and make us sign gag orders. Hey wait a minute...
This is in reply to Mr. Scratch-o-Matic comment "And maybe you should
have mentioned that you were referring to the PRESIDENTIAL election".
No sir I think you are missing the merits of this debate. I did not need to
specify that it was in reference to the presidential election due to the fact
that everyone knows that the presidency is the topic of this article. If you
would look closer at the post my previous post was in response to, you will note
that he states "As has everyone on every network for the past 12
hours..." which I did not know. The original post did not contain any reference
to the fact that it was the Florida military ballots in question. The author of
the post just assumed that all of us have been watching the networks. In Florida
there are much more interesting things happening on the local stations e.g.
updates on those missing boxes. Therefore I was not aware that this was such a
big discussion on the national networks. Therefore due to the fact that it was
not explicitly stated that the post was in reference to the ballots of the
military individuals registered in Florida I was left to make an assumption. In
which I assumed that he was talking about the entire military and the absentee
ballot's effect on the popular vote.
Yes I did not clearly state that in my post it is Dec 18, I apologize. I am pretty sure we are faithless but our electors have never gone against the popular vote.
Then he should have specified IN FLORIDA. If this is what he is referring to then yes it could. Some of us in Florida watch local stations as we are in Florida where it is local news.
At present the difference is less than 2,000 votes. Voting has a margin of
error and it is greater than that number. Give them time and let them recount,
as it is truly the fair and just thing to do. In Florida the local news is coming
in faster than the national news so for those of you interested Bush is still in
the lead.
Oh look at that installer. Thank you Eazel are the only
words that come to mind. This looks so sweet and looks like it could be the
solution to the dependency wows, if it is done right. That being said I have a
few questions about the two services so I will shoot the out for anyone that may
have the answer, as the info on the site is a little limited.
Does
the installer resolve dependency issues automatically by downloading and
installing any binaries the software depends on?
Does
the installer get the software from the project source or does Eazel have to
keep a copy of the software on their server?
Lastly,
can the remote storage service be pointed at a non-Eazel server without
modifying the source code?
First a system of automation can be secured as it is done
everyday. It would be no less secure than say, that little icon in your start
bar that says "Windows Update". Another example of automated software
updating would be Helix Gnome. Please tell me what you see as the difference
between these and an automatic security patching system. Both download and
install binaries and by hacking either an individual would be able to install
rouge code onto your system. It is funny that you say that this is an insecure
way of distributing security patches but yet no one has hacked these systems;
which in effect rely on the same infrastructure a security patching system
would.
As for the open source security comment, come on. Half of
Microsoft's binaries still have the debugging symbols left in them. It's not
that hard to find a less than secure buffer to toy with. Secondly it is pretty
well known when it comes to mid-range servers and security (insert your
favorite) BSD is king so your argument really holds little validity. As much as
the Linux crowd around here hates to admit it, BSD is a more secure system than
Linux and Windows. BSD is an open source project so how are you coming to this
conclusion; surly not through logical deduction.
Disclaimer: Before the Linux users launch a flame war on
this post please note, I am a Linux user and Linux has a lot of merits over BSD
but when the chips need to be laid on the table BSD is more secure.
This may very well be true, but given the ferocity in which people hate Microsoft it is my opinion that the code would spread like wild fire. People would be willing to stand up for this fight due to the fact that this would surly destroys MS.
I have a sneaky suspicion that these guys are going to release the code. They know that this one act could very well put them in the history books if they do.
Disclaimer: I am not condoning their acts. Hacking is wrong and may cause cancer, but I sure would like to see if those secret hooks that Netscape et al. keep complaining about are real.
Any one want to buy a T-shirt -Bill a month after the release of the Windows source code.
But no one is writing commercial grade shrink wrap software in those languages.
Guess you have not looked at Oracle's products yet. All of their tools in 8i are written using Java. Including their DB assistant, OEM Consol, Net 8 Assistant, Installer, and help system.
Last time I checked Oracle is a put the CD in and install the software type product (shrink wrapped). They put a VM on their CD and the installer uses it. Thus they dictate their Java environment. When Oracle installs, it installs the compatible VM with it. This is how you accomplish shrink-wrapped products with Java. You dictate your environment so that the moron user doesn't have to configure a path to the JVM.
Flinging childish insults like "Microsoft is not dumb
but you are" does not help the validity of your argument. I think I am
speaking for most of the/. readers when I say that we know what windows 9.x is
designed for and therefore do not need a lesson on the user targets of a
particular OS. I do concur that Bill probably doesn't use a Linux based system
and may have never even touched one. As for you other comments about various
other matters you truly show how foolish you are. You say "Windows 2000 is
superior to Linux (sic) because it's (sic) compatible with more hardware and
software and is rock solid". I cannot disagree with you more Windows 2000
is superior to Linux because it has a file system that is less susceptible to
corruption and for ease of use reasons. Linux on the other hand is superior to
Windows 2000 for numerous other reasons including stability or if you will, rock
solidity to use your words. You could also include security, scalability,
performance, Networking, Standards, Interoperability, ect. After that little
fiasco of misinformation you go on to say. "Yet why would anyone want to
regress back into the '70 with Unix style computing?(sic)". My response to
this is that even Apple has come around to the Shell way of thinking. In any
other since I don't see how you can derive Unix is a 70 style computing
environment. It is funny that most individuals are realizing that there are
benefits to having both a Shell and a GUI. These individuals have shaped the
face of modern computing with this in mind. Most Unix flavors have a Shell and a
GUI so for purposes of this argument they can be considered to be modern. There
are many other aspects that make an OS modern that would take to long to list
and trust me both Windows and The Unix flavors incorporate these aspects into
their systems. Please remember that most of the Unix community graduated to Unix
from a Windows basis so we are familiar with the ins and outs of the Windows
family of systems. The contrary cannot be noted for Windows users, as most
Windows users such as yourself have never been exposed to Unix. Therefore a
statement like "Linux zealots that beat off to this fantasy that Microsoft
sucks" have basis as most Linux users have ample exposure to Windows to
form an educated opinion about the OS. On the other hand statements such as the
ones you have made stem from a fear that you precious MCSE will not be worth the
paper it was printed on and are not grounded in fact. Because you cannot use
Linux, you try to destroy it so that no one will know that you do not have the
vaguest clue as to how an operating system really works.
That being said I like the idea of the.NET platform moving
to Linux. My reasoning for such a positive outlook on this is, that my company
uses ASP, COM, and SQL if this took place, I could at least persuade them to
move over to Linux for our OS needs. After that the may warm to the notion of
J2EE.
Show you boss this if he is looking for
performance http://www.oracle.com/guarantee/index.html?content .html.
Oracle claims they have it and are offering one million beautiful dollars if
they don't. They say that they can beat IBM and Microsoft solutions hands down.
BTW their app server runs Apache for http.
I am sure glad that Hawkins is an idiot! Einstein, Tesla and the crew would whomp on him if they were here today. Wait, according to Hawkins theories about dimensions we could just build a machine to jump to one of his other Theorized dimensions. You know the bubbles in the bathtub speech. Trust no one especially religious leader and scientists.
Ask not what Microsoft can do for you, but rather what you can do for Microsoft.
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I could not agree more, this article is just a flagrant waste of societies valuable HTML resources.
I'm sure he got rid of those weak SGI boxes which are not at all optimized for sim development, to develop his Real-time 3D sims(VR) on one of those much more powerful PC's with windows installed; because you and I both know that Unix was build for a command prompt and thats it.
I have read a lot of opinions on this offtopic topic and just wanted to provide my two cents. A 3D interface can be beneficial to an OS even if it is just for the cool factor alone. Take for example the movie Johnny Mnemonic which in my opinion provided some very interesting ideas about how a 3D interface could be extremely beneficial. The first thing that I saw in this movie that struck me as beneficial was a password system based on an object much like a Rubik's cube but in a diamond shape. I was amazed at the simplicity of this idea, the user remembered and input a visual pattern instead of a word. Obviously this was a movie so there was no underling logic but I would imagine that this system would be based on underlining numbers or a bitmap comparison system instead of words. The second thing was a map system where the user would pull out a map touch a particular area and move to that area. This would be extremely useful for directions, city planning, existing building schematics, disaster relief, etc. etc. There are reasons that 3D makes more sense in certain scenarios but I do not think that an absolute 3D OS is the answer. I would hate to see a word processor implemented in 3D. I think a highbred of the two OSs would offer the best advantage.
Also, It was mentioned that 3D does not translate well onto a 2D monitor. I think FPS games discredit that argument. I would also like to note that a good stereoscopic headset these days retails for about as much as a professional 21" monitor and if a 3D interface was developed it would place a higher demand on headsets reducing there price even further.
Back in the fifties they used to joke about selling water, as it is a freely available commodity and they could not fathom anyone paying for it, Evian anyone! The point being is that your air analogy may not hold true in the future, as the future cannot be predicted. The same can be said for the commercial Linux market. Linux is new to the commercial sector and has not had time to run its course to see if it is a viable venture. Using stock prices will only help to serve the confusion about the state of Linux in the commercial sector, as pretty much everyone is tanking right now. Another point I would like to make is about the biotech companies. After years of loss these companies are now enjoying a healthy profit. This is due in part to the breaking of genetic codes. This in turn allowed them to design new life technologies such as insect resistant plants, in which they are now reaping the rewards of labor and losses past. If you had taken a snapshot of their stock prices before the genetic sequence discoveries you would have discounted an extremely profitable new industry. This point serves as a directive to you that once again you do not know what the future holds.
I myself would really like some closure on this one too. I guess this guy has not responded to anyone in quite some time. I have given serious consideration to heading up a free software 3D app effort, as most for Linux are lacking right now and it is the only thing binding me to keeping a windows system. I have pulled down all of the old copies I could find of the source but I cannot find that.9 source. This may be a perfect base to start a new project off of but if the developers are going to continue developing it then, I do not want to duplicate effort, as there is enough of that going on already. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
In my opinion this has nothing to do with MS wanting to get along with other vendors. You state that Microsoft understands that companies do have multiple systems in their environments which need to work together. I think this would be better stated as:
Microsoft understands that companies use other vendors systems. In an effort to push their Data Center product onto the big iron market they are going to leverage their existing midrange market by deploying .NET.
By releasing .NET for other systems but keeping core components such as ADO
specific to Microsoft systems. Microsoft can then proclaim the benefits of
moving to Data Center to support all of the core .Net features. This is a scary
proposal because MS could make .NET communicate with existing big iron systems
and then say, well if you want the super deluxe do it all features you are going
to have to move to Data Center. This accomplishes two things first it nullifies
the cost associated with moving to an entirely new system and makes it easy to
move from other vendors a piece at a time but not vice versa.
Another point is, by them alluding to its cross platform nature many small companies will garner the mindset of, well we will build it with .NET on MS now
and then move to a bigger system later. They may very well find out that some of
their code is not as portable as the were led to believe due to some components
not being available on other systems.
I don't think they want to play nice now. There still in the one world one OS mindset.
On the flip side I do like the idea that I could call a Java method from a VB /C# / Pascal / etc. app.
Touching oneself in a virtual environment is still touching oneself.
You get em Sun. Thanks for standing up for us little people against those huge oppressive corporations that use practices like forcing technology on us and make us sign gag orders. Hey wait a minute...
This is in reply to Mr. Scratch-o-Matic comment "And maybe you should have mentioned that you were referring to the PRESIDENTIAL election". No sir I think you are missing the merits of this debate. I did not need to specify that it was in reference to the presidential election due to the fact that everyone knows that the presidency is the topic of this article. If you would look closer at the post my previous post was in response to, you will note that he states "As has everyone on every network for the past 12 hours..." which I did not know. The original post did not contain any reference to the fact that it was the Florida military ballots in question. The author of the post just assumed that all of us have been watching the networks. In Florida there are much more interesting things happening on the local stations e.g. updates on those missing boxes. Therefore I was not aware that this was such a big discussion on the national networks. Therefore due to the fact that it was not explicitly stated that the post was in reference to the ballots of the military individuals registered in Florida I was left to make an assumption. In which I assumed that he was talking about the entire military and the absentee ballot's effect on the popular vote.
Yes I did not clearly state that in my post it is Dec 18, I apologize. I am pretty sure we are faithless but our electors have never gone against the popular vote.
Then he should have specified IN FLORIDA. If this is what he is referring to then yes it could. Some of us in Florida watch local stations as we are in Florida where it is local news.
At present the difference is less than 2,000 votes. Voting has a margin of error and it is greater than that number. Give them time and let them recount, as it is truly the fair and just thing to do. In Florida the local news is coming in faster than the national news so for those of you interested Bush is still in the lead.
Oh look at that installer. Thank you Eazel are the only words that come to mind. This looks so sweet and looks like it could be the solution to the dependency wows, if it is done right. That being said I have a few questions about the two services so I will shoot the out for anyone that may have the answer, as the info on the site is a little limited.
Does the installer resolve dependency issues automatically by downloading and installing any binaries the software depends on?
Does the installer get the software from the project source or does Eazel have to keep a copy of the software on their server?
Lastly, can the remote storage service be pointed at a non-Eazel server without modifying the source code?
Dude, step away from the crack pipe!
First a system of automation can be secured as it is done everyday. It would be no less secure than say, that little icon in your start bar that says "Windows Update". Another example of automated software updating would be Helix Gnome. Please tell me what you see as the difference between these and an automatic security patching system. Both download and install binaries and by hacking either an individual would be able to install rouge code onto your system. It is funny that you say that this is an insecure way of distributing security patches but yet no one has hacked these systems; which in effect rely on the same infrastructure a security patching system would.
As for the open source security comment, come on. Half of Microsoft's binaries still have the debugging symbols left in them. It's not that hard to find a less than secure buffer to toy with. Secondly it is pretty well known when it comes to mid-range servers and security (insert your favorite) BSD is king so your argument really holds little validity. As much as the Linux crowd around here hates to admit it, BSD is a more secure system than Linux and Windows. BSD is an open source project so how are you coming to this conclusion; surly not through logical deduction.
Disclaimer: Before the Linux users launch a flame war on this post please note, I am a Linux user and Linux has a lot of merits over BSD but when the chips need to be laid on the table BSD is more secure.
This may very well be true, but given the ferocity in which people hate Microsoft it is my opinion that the code would spread like wild fire. People would be willing to stand up for this fight due to the fact that this would surly destroys MS.
I have a sneaky suspicion that these guys are going to release the code. They know that this one act could very well put them in the history books if they do.
Disclaimer: I am not condoning their acts. Hacking is wrong and may cause cancer, but I sure would like to see if those secret hooks that Netscape et al. keep complaining about are real.
Any one want to buy a T-shirt -Bill a month after the release of the Windows source code.
But no one is writing commercial grade shrink wrap software in those languages.
Guess you have not looked at Oracle's products yet. All of their tools in 8i are written using Java. Including their DB assistant, OEM Consol, Net 8 Assistant, Installer, and help system.
Last time I checked Oracle is a put the CD in and install the software type product (shrink wrapped). They put a VM on their CD and the installer uses it. Thus they dictate their Java environment. When Oracle installs, it installs the compatible VM with it. This is how you accomplish shrink-wrapped products with Java. You dictate your environment so that the moron user doesn't have to configure a path to the JVM.
That being said I like the idea of the .NET platform moving
to Linux. My reasoning for such a positive outlook on this is, that my company
uses ASP, COM, and SQL if this took place, I could at least persuade them to
move over to Linux for our OS needs. After that the may warm to the notion of
J2EE.
Show you boss this if he is looking for performance http://www.oracle.com/guarantee/index.html?content .html.
Oracle claims they have it and are offering one million beautiful dollars if
they don't. They say that they can beat IBM and Microsoft solutions hands down.
BTW their app server runs Apache for http.
I am sure glad that Hawkins is an idiot! Einstein, Tesla and the crew would whomp on him if they were here today. Wait, according to Hawkins theories about dimensions we could just build a machine to jump to one of his other Theorized dimensions. You know the bubbles in the bathtub speech. Trust no one especially religious leader and scientists. Ask not what Microsoft can do for you, but rather what you can do for Microsoft.