That does not really answer my question about Slackware:
- automatic partitioning for people who don't know Linux, and after he/she learns more about Linux, it can easily be done.
- automatic hardware detection like Redhat, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE(where? where?) This saves a lot of time, man!
- GUI partitioning tool during install that lets me to resize the partition like DiskDrake (from Mandrake) so that I don't have to buy the expensive Partition Magic. This is important since a lot of Linux newbies are so used to GUI tools from Windows.
- automatic dependency install like Debian (apt-get) and Mandrake (urpmi)
- automatic modem detection like Redhat
- *_Complete_* configuration tool like webmin or Linuxconf. This saves a lot of time. I know that LinuxConf was not created specifically for Mandrake and Redhat, but a lot of Slackware users say that people who use LinuxConf are dumb. The fact is, it saves a lot of my time. Yes, I can do everything by hand, but I'd prefer to use webmin/LinuxConf since coding and time is more important than editing config files
Slackware is not bad, it's just it's not mature yet. Look at Debian with its superior apt-get. Look at Mandrake with its urpmi, auto hardware detection, good configuration tool, saves a lot of time. Caldera installation is the easiest and the most user friendly. An easy installation process != not 31337. It means the programmers who design the installer is much smarter than the one that can't code an easy install process.
I said this because I'm tired of Slackware users who often bash Redhat/Mandrake/Caldera/SuSE users and says,"I configure everything by hand, since you can't and you're dumb, you have to switch to Slackware" but can't do anything but editing by hand with vi. As a comparison, I can code graphic routine in Assembly (Intel x86), but I don't brag about it like that and say that Delphi programmers are wimpy because they can't code Assembly. If a person wants to do a hard time being 31337 editing configuration file, like I said before, Microsoft Windows NT is the answer - Registry Editor.
And I don't have to subscribe to a mailing list if I want to upgrade my packages. I just simply run apt-get (for my Debian) and Mandrake Software Update and it works! Debian, Redhat, SuSE, Caldera, and Mandrake security department very often announce the updates via LinuxToday and Bugtraq whenever there is a security problem.
Caldera, Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE detects all my hardware automatically (including my soundcard, video driver, ethernet card). They are mature, IMVHO
I had a chat with some people who said that they want to switch to Linux but were afraid because it is said to be very hard to install/configure, thus reducing the productivity. If Linux want to be used widely, then we have to stop the mindset "it can be edited by hand". We were chatting and when I mentioned great stuff about Linux, and some of them say "We want people to be productive, not trying to figure out how to do this and that and configure this and that and later reading the man pages for 5 hours and so on etc etc etc" and "it does not detect my hardware automatically, so I have to do it by hand bla bla bla". First, I was annoyed, but later I realized that what they say was true though, and it gave me a lot of insights. That's why Linux has to be luser-friendly as well. Remember that there is a lot of people that have limited learning curves, and we need to embrace them as well.
I knew a guy who call himself Mr. I-Am-Elite-and-Edit-Everything-By-Hand-in-Linux.. This kind of people really have trait. I should've challenged him to write assembly code instead. Being an 31337 == being a time waster. I think if he wants to edit config for his life, he'd better go back to where he belongs editing WinNT registry.
Only 1 patch? Come on! glibc local exploit, netscape java problem, lpr, ypbind, pine, etc. It hasn't been updated for hundred years, I guess. This site (slackware.com) even uses FreeBSD instead of Slackware Linux. Identity crisis, anyone?
Linuxmafia.org claims that Slackware is more secure than Redhat. The truth is, Redhat is more consistent when updating its security, and Redhat is being honest, even though 7.0 was still under development.
Debian also pretty consistent when updating its security problem.
Slackware does a false advertising in Dr. Dobb's Journal saying that it has the easiest installation. Does it have a partitioning tool that can resize Windows and Linux partition so that you don't have to waste your money for Partition Magic.
I'm not trying to make Slackware's name bad here, it's just that I'm upset because my money is wasted for a piece of shit junk that can't even detect my hardware like Redhat/Caldera/Mandrake/SuSE. Moreover, people who use it claims that it's so secure, but its security is so crappy that by the default install it allows people to remotely break into the system because there is/etc/hosts.equiv that contains "localhost" line with rlogin service turned on by default (this was in my friend's Slackware 7.0 system). Okay, this is just by default and can be prevented, but what if the user does not know Linux at all and his machine got hacked?
My point is, both GUI and ncurses config tool is good, hardware detection is good. I just can't seem to understand 31337 people who waste a lot of time for editing by hand.
Yeah, Slackware is very l33t. Mandrake is not 31337 because Mandrake, Redhat, and Caldera automatically detects hardware, because Mandrake has its own partitioning tool similar to Partition Magic. Maybe Slackware even has a super 31337 partitioning tool that doesn't even work. Mandrake is not 31337 too because 8139 driver works in the hackkernel 2.4. Mandrake is lamer because Slackware doesn't have the GUI tool like Lizard, moreover, Mandrake is luser friendly. I think Slackware is the best Linux distro ever which has a lot of functionality. I must switch to Slackware because it hasn't updated the security problem forever. I think Slackware has a real guts, unlike Redhat/SuSE/Caldera/Debian that keeps updating the package and announces advisories if there's a security problem.
I'm just going to stick with Slackware because it's a very 31337 distro, super uber elite. I think I will just use my super elite Microsoft Windows NT4 server along with my uber elite Slackware Linux.
The thing is, you also have to calculate the cost for paying tech support for FreeBSD. FreeBSD is only a minor O/S. How would you expect them to support AIX (their own O/S for goodness' sake) to boot on their laptop?
I have been handling tech support voluntarily for a non-profit organization, and can you imagine how painful it is to handle some questions which say "It just doesn't work" without them reading manual? People just want something that works. If FreeBSD won't boot, it may not be because IBM is incompatible with FreeBSD, who knows the reason being is because that person (who asked help for tech support) did not know anything about FreeBSD and just want to plug that O/S in there?
Paying for tech support is not cheap. Let's face the fact that FreeBSD is not yet easy to install for the average joe. Can you imagine being asked a question (eg: for those who installed Caldera OpenLinux) like:Why do I have to supply root's password to install an RPM package or change the settings and who the hell is root?
Even installing the easy stuff like Caldera OpenLinux and Mandrake Linux is sometimes still painful for the average joe. Not to mention the slash in Windows C:\\ and the backslash / for the path naming in the UNIX world is different.
What if somebody asks How can I access my A: drive from FreeBSD? Why do I have to mount and unmount each time I need drive A: (The last question is not valid for Mandrake Linux since it has automatic mounting for CD-Rom and floppy though)
Okay. Enough of me ranting.
My point is: Paying tech support for answering dummy question is expensive, especially for a hacker o/s like FreeBSD, which was not meant for ease of use.
Notice the question being asked : FreeBSD wont boot on IBM Laptop without mentioning much more information. Again, the person who asked that might not even give full description of the symptom.. I dunno...
So, does it mean that with this technology I can run Microsoft Windows ME and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Microsoft Windows 2000 Server on PowerPC (including MacIntosh PPC) and IBM S/390?
No, I'm not trolling. I'm just curious since there has been this sort of "hardware emulation" trend going on recently.
IIS, for example, since it is integrated into the NT kernel, is faster than Apache
Linux+TUX 1.0 beats Win2k+IIS5 on a 3:1 ratio on the same hardware (from Dell). The test was with WebSpec99 or 2000 I couldn't remember. The story was posted in LinuxToday a few while ago.
On the other hand, IIS is only faster when serving static pages, but TUX (and Apache) is better for dynamic content
Your post just shows your ignorance
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That does not really answer my question about Slackware:
- automatic partitioning for people who don't know Linux, and after he/she learns more about Linux, it can easily be done. - automatic hardware detection like Redhat, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE(where? where?) This saves a lot of time, man!
- GUI partitioning tool during install that lets me to resize the partition like DiskDrake (from Mandrake) so that I don't have to buy the expensive Partition Magic. This is important since a lot of Linux newbies are so used to GUI tools from Windows.
- automatic dependency install like Debian (apt-get) and Mandrake (urpmi)
- automatic modem detection like Redhat
- *_Complete_* configuration tool like webmin or Linuxconf. This saves a lot of time. I know that LinuxConf was not created specifically for Mandrake and Redhat, but a lot of Slackware users say that people who use LinuxConf are dumb. The fact is, it saves a lot of my time. Yes, I can do everything by hand, but I'd prefer to use webmin/LinuxConf since coding and time is more important than editing config files
Slackware is not bad, it's just it's not mature yet. Look at Debian with its superior apt-get. Look at Mandrake with its urpmi, auto hardware detection, good configuration tool, saves a lot of time. Caldera installation is the easiest and the most user friendly. An easy installation process != not 31337. It means the programmers who design the installer is much smarter than the one that can't code an easy install process.
I said this because I'm tired of Slackware users who often bash Redhat/Mandrake/Caldera/SuSE users and says,"I configure everything by hand, since you can't and you're dumb, you have to switch to Slackware" but can't do anything but editing by hand with vi. As a comparison, I can code graphic routine in Assembly (Intel x86), but I don't brag about it like that and say that Delphi programmers are wimpy because they can't code Assembly. If a person wants to do a hard time being 31337 editing configuration file, like I said before, Microsoft Windows NT is the answer - Registry Editor.
And I don't have to subscribe to a mailing list if I want to upgrade my packages. I just simply run apt-get (for my Debian) and Mandrake Software Update and it works! Debian, Redhat, SuSE, Caldera, and Mandrake security department very often announce the updates via LinuxToday and Bugtraq whenever there is a security problem.
Caldera, Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE detects all my hardware automatically (including my soundcard, video driver, ethernet card). They are mature, IMVHO
I had a chat with some people who said that they want to switch to Linux but were afraid because it is said to be very hard to install/configure, thus reducing the productivity. If Linux want to be used widely, then we have to stop the mindset "it can be edited by hand". We were chatting and when I mentioned great stuff about Linux, and some of them say "We want people to be productive, not trying to figure out how to do this and that and configure this and that and later reading the man pages for 5 hours and so on etc etc etc" and "it does not detect my hardware automatically, so I have to do it by hand bla bla bla". First, I was annoyed, but later I realized that what they say was true though, and it gave me a lot of insights. That's why Linux has to be luser-friendly as well. Remember that there is a lot of people that have limited learning curves, and we need to embrace them as well.
EOD (End of discussion)
I knew a guy who call himself Mr. I-Am-Elite-and-Edit-Everything-By-Hand-in-Linux.. This kind of people really have trait. I should've challenged him to write assembly code instead. Being an 31337 == being a time waster. I think if he wants to edit config for his life, he'd better go back to where he belongs editing WinNT registry.
. 1/patches/
/etc/hosts.equiv that contains "localhost" line with rlogin service turned on by default (this was in my friend's Slackware 7.0 system). Okay, this is just by default and can be prevented, but what if the user does not know Linux at all and his machine got hacked?
Another thing is, security. For example, take a look at
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-7
Only 1 patch? Come on! glibc local exploit, netscape java problem, lpr, ypbind, pine, etc. It hasn't been updated for hundred years, I guess.
This site (slackware.com) even uses FreeBSD instead of Slackware Linux. Identity crisis, anyone?
Linuxmafia.org claims that Slackware is more secure than Redhat. The truth is, Redhat is more consistent when updating its security, and Redhat is being honest, even though 7.0 was still under development.
Debian also pretty consistent when updating its security problem.
Slackware does a false advertising in Dr. Dobb's Journal saying that it has the easiest installation. Does it have a partitioning tool that can resize Windows and Linux partition so that you don't have to waste your money for Partition Magic.
I'm not trying to make Slackware's name bad here, it's just that I'm upset because my money is wasted for a piece of shit junk that can't even detect my hardware like Redhat/Caldera/Mandrake/SuSE. Moreover, people who use it claims that it's so secure, but its security is so crappy that by the default install it allows people to remotely break into the system because there is
My point is, both GUI and ncurses config tool is good, hardware detection is good. I just can't seem to understand 31337 people who waste a lot of time for editing by hand.
Yeah, Slackware is very l33t. Mandrake is not 31337 because Mandrake, Redhat, and Caldera automatically detects hardware, because Mandrake has its own partitioning tool similar to Partition Magic. Maybe Slackware even has a super 31337 partitioning tool that doesn't even work. Mandrake is not 31337 too because 8139 driver works in the hackkernel 2.4. Mandrake is lamer because Slackware doesn't have the GUI tool like Lizard, moreover, Mandrake is luser friendly. I think Slackware is the best Linux distro ever which has a lot of functionality. I must switch to Slackware because it hasn't updated the security problem forever. I think Slackware has a real guts, unlike Redhat/SuSE/Caldera/Debian that keeps updating the package and announces advisories if there's a security problem.
I'm just going to stick with Slackware because it's a very 31337 distro, super uber elite. I think I will just use my super elite Microsoft Windows NT4 server along with my uber elite Slackware Linux.
The thing is, you also have to calculate the cost for paying tech support for FreeBSD. FreeBSD is only a minor O/S. How would you expect them to support AIX (their own O/S for goodness' sake) to boot on their laptop?
:Why do I have to supply root's password to install an RPM package or change the settings and who the hell is root?
I have been handling tech support voluntarily for a non-profit organization, and can you imagine how painful it is to handle some questions which say "It just doesn't work" without them reading manual? People just want something that works. If FreeBSD won't boot, it may not be because IBM is incompatible with FreeBSD, who knows the reason being is because that person (who asked help for tech support) did not know anything about FreeBSD and just want to plug that O/S in there?
Paying for tech support is not cheap. Let's face the fact that FreeBSD is not yet easy to install for the average joe. Can you imagine being asked a question (eg: for those who installed Caldera OpenLinux) like
Even installing the easy stuff like Caldera OpenLinux and Mandrake Linux is sometimes still painful for the average joe. Not to mention the slash in Windows C:\\ and the backslash / for the path naming in the UNIX world is different.
What if somebody asks How can I access my A: drive from FreeBSD?
Why do I have to mount and unmount each time I need drive A: (The last question is not valid for Mandrake Linux since it has automatic mounting for CD-Rom and floppy though)
Okay. Enough of me ranting.
My point is: Paying tech support for answering dummy question is expensive, especially for a hacker o/s like FreeBSD, which was not meant for ease of use.
Notice the question being asked : FreeBSD wont boot on IBM Laptop without mentioning much more information. Again, the person who asked that might not even give full description of the symptom.. I dunno...
So, does it mean that with this technology I can run Microsoft Windows ME and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Microsoft Windows 2000 Server on PowerPC (including MacIntosh PPC) and IBM S/390?
No, I'm not trolling. I'm just curious since there has been this sort of "hardware emulation" trend going on recently.
IIS, for example, since it is integrated into the NT kernel, is faster than Apache Linux+TUX 1.0 beats Win2k+IIS5 on a 3:1 ratio on the same hardware (from Dell). The test was with WebSpec99 or 2000 I couldn't remember. The story was posted in LinuxToday a few while ago.
On the other hand, IIS is only faster when serving static pages, but TUX (and Apache) is better for dynamic content Your post just shows your ignorance
All of these bugs will be fixed in RedHat 7.0 Service Pack 1 Second Edition.
Yeah, I'm going back to Mandrake 7.1 .. hopefully their 7.2 won't enhance Redhat 7.0's bug.
Everything's so much better in Mandrake 7.1