That a huge political debate in Israel. Basically, the (extreme) right wing wants to annex it, the left wing wants to get out, and the center doesn't really know what to do.
Aah, that map again. The one where "Palestinian land" can mean "the part of Mandatorial Palestine (a British-colony-type entity, that included all of that area) that the author decided was more "Palestinian" than the rest", "a plan that was accepted by the Jews, but rejected by the Arabs", "parts of Jordan and Egypt" or "the first time the Palestinians had any kind of autonomy, ever".
I won't try to deconstruct that moronic attempt at propaganda piece-by-piece - I'll just note that each step after 1947 could have been avoided if the Arabs accepted Israel's existence, instead of trying to take the whole territory by force.
Bullshit - it's not rare to hear in the Israeli news about Israeli Jews who left their bags unattended and got them back with some bullet holes. Unlike you, I don't claim to be an expert on Israeli bomb disposal protocols, or on the details of this particular case, but it's clearly not limited to that girl.
No, you were trying to turn this into an Israel v. Palestine thread - the most boring, overly discussed subject clueless people like to get angry about.
In a way, the original poster started it, with the bit about the cowardly Palestinian terrorists, but you were all too eager to bite.
Water disputes? WTF does this have to do with anything?
Over 300 comments, most of them about how the girl deserved it because she had some Arabic stickers, or how the Israeli police is stupid and evil.
But the truth is: you don't know. You have no idea what happened there, what made the police suspect the girl, what she actually said to them, what they found in her luggage, or, hell, even if she was a terrorist, you'd have no way of knowing it.
All you've got is a short news article, and a short blog post, both very light on details. Even the girl doesn't know why the police blew up her laptop. The reporter knows even less. And you, the average slashdotter, know jack shit.
If you're talking about the occupied territories, Israel never annexed those, and doesn't claim that they are part of Israel. According to Israel, they are officially "disputed territories".
Also, you seem to think that the whole "The UN is Israel's God" thing is clever. It's not.
They're not a division of the army. They're part of the Israeli police.
They're not like a small private company that's going to run out of money. If they prevent 20 terror attacks, and it'll cost them 400 million dollars, they'll just get huge pat on the back and an increased budget from the government.
Saving a dozen Israeli civilians gets you more than operation Cast Lead (estimated cost - around 2 BILLION USD), for example, did.
Either way you look at it, they pumped 3 rounds into just to be pricks and F with the girl.
Not true. I don't know why or how it works, but as an Israeli, I can tell you that it's standard procedure - they clear the area and bring in a robot that shoots the suspicious object.
Maybe they're actively trying to blow up the object ($2.5M is nothing in this regard, btw - do you have any idea how much the army spends with a much smaller ROI?), and maybe they've been fucking with the whole Israeli population for ~30 years, but it has nothing to do with this particular girl.
For the last time, if anyone really bothered to read carefully what I said, they would know that it is exactly what I was talking about: discipline. You all seem so willing to find a point of disagreement that you fail to really see what I'm talking about... but, well, this is slashdot, anyway...
Two options:
Everyone who chose to reply to your comment (or, as you seem to imply, everyone on slashdot) is an idiot.
You couldn't effectively convey your message. Knowing what you meant, and having other people understand it are different things.
I've read your original comment, and in my opinion, it's option #2. Which is kinda ironic, considering what you've said there.
One must not compromise the precision of the orders it gives to the computer in order to achieve readability by something/someone else than the computer.
Every time you use a programming language, as opposed to assembly or straight machine code, you're doing just that.
Pinax is cool, but honestly, did you use it for a real project? It's still in early beta, the docs are nearly non-existant, and it covers maybe 10% (optimistically) of what Drupal modules can do right now.
No it doesn't. You're just repeating a common prejudice.
Compare someone who has lots of real-world experience, with real-world requirements and real-world, 60 hour weeks, with someone who coasted through college getting a degree s/he doesn't care about because mommy said that you need a degree no matter what.
I know both kinds. Guess who's the better programmer.
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In a universe where terrorists smuggle bombs in ambulances and baby carts.
Unfortunately, that world happens to be our own.
That a huge political debate in Israel. Basically, the (extreme) right wing wants to annex it, the left wing wants to get out, and the center doesn't really know what to do.
More like by winning wars that said Arab neighbors started in order to annihilate Israel.
Aah, that map again. The one where "Palestinian land" can mean "the part of Mandatorial Palestine (a British-colony-type entity, that included all of that area) that the author decided was more "Palestinian" than the rest", "a plan that was accepted by the Jews, but rejected by the Arabs", "parts of Jordan and Egypt" or "the first time the Palestinians had any kind of autonomy, ever".
I won't try to deconstruct that moronic attempt at propaganda piece-by-piece - I'll just note that each step after 1947 could have been avoided if the Arabs accepted Israel's existence, instead of trying to take the whole territory by force.
The Merkava tank, btw, was first used in 1982.
There's a simpler solution - don't feed the trolls.
Wow, trolling both pro- and anti-Israelis, and getting +4 Insightful.
Kudos, old chap, kudos.
Or maybe they were following strict, but reasonable (under the circumstances) procedures.
Bullshit - it's not rare to hear in the Israeli news about Israeli Jews who left their bags unattended and got them back with some bullet holes. Unlike you, I don't claim to be an expert on Israeli bomb disposal protocols, or on the details of this particular case, but it's clearly not limited to that girl.
Military grade explosives will not go off from being hit by a bullet.
Cheap homemade pipe-bombs, made in some guy's basement, OTOH...
No, you were trying to turn this into an Israel v. Palestine thread - the most boring, overly discussed subject clueless people like to get angry about.
In a way, the original poster started it, with the bit about the cowardly Palestinian terrorists, but you were all too eager to bite.
Water disputes? WTF does this have to do with anything?
Over 300 comments, most of them about how the girl deserved it because she had some Arabic stickers, or how the Israeli police is stupid and evil.
But the truth is: you don't know. You have no idea what happened there, what made the police suspect the girl, what she actually said to them, what they found in her luggage, or, hell, even if she was a terrorist, you'd have no way of knowing it.
All you've got is a short news article, and a short blog post, both very light on details. Even the girl doesn't know why the police blew up her laptop. The reporter knows even less. And you, the average slashdotter, know jack shit.
Seriously, people, get a grip.
If you're talking about the occupied territories, Israel never annexed those, and doesn't claim that they are part of Israel. According to Israel, they are officially "disputed territories".
Also, you seem to think that the whole "The UN is Israel's God" thing is clever. It's not.
Typo, bad math, etc. - but you get the point
Either way you look at it, they pumped 3 rounds into just to be pricks and F with the girl.
Not true. I don't know why or how it works, but as an Israeli, I can tell you that it's standard procedure - they clear the area and bring in a robot that shoots the suspicious object.
Maybe they're actively trying to blow up the object ($2.5M is nothing in this regard, btw - do you have any idea how much the army spends with a much smaller ROI?), and maybe they've been fucking with the whole Israeli population for ~30 years, but it has nothing to do with this particular girl.
They can be used to improve readability, or as a substitute for copy-pasting code.
If you're implying that even assembler macros are the sort of trade-off joaommp mentions, I guess I agree.
What about them?
I didn't say people were idiots. only that they're so used to read things fast and without really paying attention.
Even so, many people manage to get their point across on slashdot. You couldn't, and you blame everybody else.
if you say it's ironic, that means you did understand my message
No. It's ironic "considering what you've said", not "what you've meant".
For the last time, if anyone really bothered to read carefully what I said, they would know that it is exactly what I was talking about: discipline. You all seem so willing to find a point of disagreement that you fail to really see what I'm talking about... but, well, this is slashdot, anyway...
Two options:
I've read your original comment, and in my opinion, it's option #2. Which is kinda ironic, considering what you've said there.
One must not compromise the precision of the orders it gives to the computer in order to achieve readability by something/someone else than the computer.
Every time you use a programming language, as opposed to assembly or straight machine code, you're doing just that.
Sounds more like whining to me.
Nothing's perfect, but scale matters.
Saying that the west is as corrupt as China, means that when the west will actually become as corrupt as China, you'd have no problem with it.
Such cynicism might make you look cool, but it's just lazy.
Pinax is cool, but honestly, did you use it for a real project? It's still in early beta, the docs are nearly non-existant, and it covers maybe 10% (optimistically) of what Drupal modules can do right now.
No it doesn't. You're just repeating a common prejudice.
Compare someone who has lots of real-world experience, with real-world requirements and real-world, 60 hour weeks, with someone who coasted through college getting a degree s/he doesn't care about because mommy said that you need a degree no matter what.
I know both kinds. Guess who's the better programmer.