Turning down a client b/c they got on a blacklist is just stupid... They get a zombie machine within their network... thats easy to fix. Some RBLs are run by penny ante little tyrants and getting off the list can be a pain in the arse and an exercise in patience dealing with someone who seems to be 12.
Yeah, I got called out onto the carpet at a customers... beacuse little miss bitchy face got ONE spam. In over a year since we implemented the filter. Yes ONE.
I asked them to take a 10 minute coffee break while I gathered info.
I did some quick calculations and had them roll in a couple of boxes of copy paper.
Told them this is what they are missing.
Also showed a graph.
I had set this customer up on ASSP for about $500 ($150 went to ASSP fund).
I manage thousands of users email across many different companies. If I had to spend an hour a day doing it, I would take a hard look at what I was doing wrong. Seriously, an hour a day?!
I disagree. ASSP requires about 20 hours including reading ALL documentation and setting up, and experimenting THE FIRST TIME YOU SET ONE UP. Once you have set one up it takes less than an hour to set up another, and ZERO maint besides taking a peek at a log filter once a month just because I am paranoid.
oh ASSP has improved tremendously. For a ~75 user ~500-1000 message a day traffic (legit messages) we get about 1 or 2 a week spams getting through... and its blocking a couple of THOUSAND a day with false positives not even being on the RADAR.
But this guy does remind me of BOFH!
Quick way to give someone else your business... that BOFH attitude. Idiots put money in my pocket, I always smile and be polite.
RBLs suck. Though they do generate business for me when a non-client gets on one, I usually pick them up as a client when I get them off and set up ASSP for them.
Gah they are so expensive. And to keep them up to date is ridiculously expensive. I prefer free with ASSP.
Additionally I have a serious problem with the backscatter they cause. They should reject mail at SMTP time and not bounce them.
But Barracuda support is very very good. Very responsive and timely and overall a good people orgaization which can make the difference for wanting to deal with them.
I manage self-hosted email for several small-medium companies. ASSP is platform independent, low resource, and does a VERY good job. VERY very configurable, and free, open source, easy to modify, easy upkeep (almost zero action required beyond checking the logs to keep an eye on things) and free software.
In a company of about 75 email accounts it has blocked 4 million spams in a little over a year.
The false negative rate is so low it might as well be zero, and the false positive rate as well.
It uses among many other things whitelists,so your people never miss an email from an established contact, redlists, so a known spammer cannot ever be accidentally added to the whitelist, does spf checking, checks headers against spoofing, has an antivirus component, can forward a copy of all spam to a spamlover address and much much more.
and its free.
For a single sbs server, you can install it on the same box and zero out of pocket costs except for your time to install it (I would personally budget 20 hours for R&D for a first time administrator to install it).
Please email me if you want more detailed information on how it works for my clients. I can also put you in contact with end users at the executive level of these companies to ask how they like it (the final litmus test)
There are LOTS of people involved in getting a book onto the shelf at BN or Walmart. All those mouths add up and add to the cost of the book.
We pay for this distribution and publishing system, for two reasons... it works well enough that it keeps me relatively happy and in books to read, and its the only one we have that does so consistently NOW (hopefully soon to change).
As with any system where there has been a long period with one distribution chain or system in place... it has grown fat. Competition will trim that out.
yes, but to really make it fly, it has to gain that really hard to get foothold, or maybe its critical mass... Where a coupe of big name writers switch to this as their primary means of publishing work.
well what I see happenning witha ratings system is you would find your niche... say select several books that are your fav and types... and those who rated those highly, you see what else they rated highly... its what I do with movies and fiction NOW, I know particular critic shares my taste in X movie type, so when he gives it a pass, I generally do too, unless super bored.
And you are right, it wouldnt KILL the paper publishers but it would make em think they were being killed, like the music publishers today.
But you realize that the costs of printing and distribution in the paper industry are already very very low? Like under a buck a book for mass market paperbacks? So as long as the traditional publishing houses are involved, the price will stay high as they need to put food on the table for their employees.
Prices can only drop as we cut out middlemen.
If an itunes-like publisher were to open up, and offer low priced books direct from the author (like on the itunes app store model maybe) this would revolutionize (read KILL) the dead tree publishing industry. It would also open the door to lots of CRAP. But a ratings system would emerge I am sure.
It is very very rare in america (where I am) to start having kids when you are 18. We started at 20 and people were just scandalized... we hardly had a chance to start life they said... uh we were starting our lives! But past all that hell yeah get the expensive part over with early and get to enjoy the best parts of life... when you can hand off those dirty diapered grandkids to their parents to change... just enjoy em for the BEST parts!!!
In theory (not necessarily reality, hence inflation) there is a finite amount of wealth in the world. (read money) uhhhh bullshit. Wealth is created and evaporates on a daily basis. If wealth were finite... Adam and Eve would have driven a much nicer car than they did.
~95% is just the amount of the mail on these servers that IS SPAM.... we get around 5% genuine mail traffic. I am not sure how to make that any clearer. The false positive rate is very very close to zero, and the false negative rate is so low that if they do get a spam, they print it out and leave it for me in the trouble log... I haven't seen but one or two of those in years of service... IF you have found a good solution too, great!
~95% is just the amount of the mail on these servers that IS SPAM.... we get around 5% genuine mail traffic. I am not sure how to make that any clearer. The false positive rate is very very close to zero, and the false negative rate is so low that if they do get a spam, they print it out and leave it for me in the trouble log... I haven't seen but one or two of those in years of service... IF you ahve found a good solution too, great!
When this gets down to $100/terabyte, I will very very seriously consider getting one for my personal use storing my ripped DVD and bluray movies.... Right now I am looking at about 5-10K for a shoestring array to store my DVD and BR collection on for instant access.
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just punctuation huh?
Turning down a client b/c they got on a blacklist is just stupid... They get a zombie machine within their network... thats easy to fix. Some RBLs are run by penny ante little tyrants and getting off the list can be a pain in the arse and an exercise in patience dealing with someone who seems to be 12.
Yeah, I got called out onto the carpet at a customers... beacuse little miss bitchy face got ONE spam. In over a year since we implemented the filter. Yes ONE.
I asked them to take a 10 minute coffee break while I gathered info.
I did some quick calculations and had them roll in a couple of boxes of copy paper.
Told them this is what they are missing.
Also showed a graph.
I had set this customer up on ASSP for about $500 ($150 went to ASSP fund).
Got a formal apology and a bonus check.
UGH
So basically, no I dont want automated emil receipts from any online vendors or anything like that. Yuck.
This approach is broken out of the box.
I manage thousands of users email across many different companies. If I had to spend an hour a day doing it, I would take a hard look at what I was doing wrong. Seriously, an hour a day?!
I disagree. ASSP requires about 20 hours including reading ALL documentation and setting up, and experimenting THE FIRST TIME YOU SET ONE UP. Once you have set one up it takes less than an hour to set up another, and ZERO maint besides taking a peek at a log filter once a month just because I am paranoid.
ASSP can do that
How do you think we keep our unemployment so low?
Just kidding, we all work at McDonald's.
Ack, I would rather a one-time cost than an ongoing one like that...
TRy ASSP, works great.
oh ASSP has improved tremendously. For a ~75 user ~500-1000 message a day traffic (legit messages) we get about 1 or 2 a week spams getting through... and its blocking a couple of THOUSAND a day with false positives not even being on the RADAR.
But this guy does remind me of BOFH!
Quick way to give someone else your business... that BOFH attitude. Idiots put money in my pocket, I always smile and be polite.
RBLs suck. Though they do generate business for me when a non-client gets on one, I usually pick them up as a client when I get them off and set up ASSP for them.
Gah they are so expensive. And to keep them up to date is ridiculously expensive. I prefer free with ASSP.
Additionally I have a serious problem with the backscatter they cause. They should reject mail at SMTP time and not bounce them.
But Barracuda support is very very good. Very responsive and timely and overall a good people orgaization which can make the difference for wanting to deal with them.
I manage self-hosted email for several small-medium companies. ASSP is platform independent, low resource, and does a VERY good job. VERY very configurable, and free, open source, easy to modify, easy upkeep (almost zero action required beyond checking the logs to keep an eye on things) and free software.
In a company of about 75 email accounts it has blocked 4 million spams in a little over a year.
The false negative rate is so low it might as well be zero, and the false positive rate as well.
It uses among many other things whitelists,so your people never miss an email from an established contact, redlists, so a known spammer cannot ever be accidentally added to the whitelist, does spf checking, checks headers against spoofing, has an antivirus component, can forward a copy of all spam to a spamlover address and much much more.
and its free.
For a single sbs server, you can install it on the same box and zero out of pocket costs except for your time to install it (I would personally budget 20 hours for R&D for a first time administrator to install it).
Please email me if you want more detailed information on how it works for my clients. I can also put you in contact with end users at the executive level of these companies to ask how they like it (the final litmus test)
Good luck
If I didnt say that, its what I meant...
There are LOTS of people involved in getting a book onto the shelf at BN or Walmart. All those mouths add up and add to the cost of the book.
We pay for this distribution and publishing system, for two reasons... it works well enough that it keeps me relatively happy and in books to read, and its the only one we have that does so consistently NOW (hopefully soon to change).
As with any system where there has been a long period with one distribution chain or system in place... it has grown fat. Competition will trim that out.
ahh, but to lots of folks these are not crap, they are good books. to each his own (I hate the romance novels as well so I am with ya there).
The crap filter I mean is the total crap books that never get to the printing press unless the author PAYS for them to be published.
yes, but to really make it fly, it has to gain that really hard to get foothold, or maybe its critical mass... Where a coupe of big name writers switch to this as their primary means of publishing work.
well what I see happenning witha ratings system is you would find your niche... say select several books that are your fav and types... and those who rated those highly, you see what else they rated highly... its what I do with movies and fiction NOW, I know particular critic shares my taste in X movie type, so when he gives it a pass, I generally do too, unless super bored.
And you are right, it wouldnt KILL the paper publishers but it would make em think they were being killed, like the music publishers today.
But you realize that the costs of printing and distribution in the paper industry are already very very low? Like under a buck a book for mass market paperbacks? So as long as the traditional publishing houses are involved, the price will stay high as they need to put food on the table for their employees.
Prices can only drop as we cut out middlemen.
If an itunes-like publisher were to open up, and offer low priced books direct from the author (like on the itunes app store model maybe) this would revolutionize (read KILL) the dead tree publishing industry. It would also open the door to lots of CRAP. But a ratings system would emerge I am sure.
If wishes were fishes...
It is very very rare in america (where I am) to start having kids when you are 18. We started at 20 and people were just scandalized... we hardly had a chance to start life they said... uh we were starting our lives! But past all that hell yeah get the expensive part over with early and get to enjoy the best parts of life... when you can hand off those dirty diapered grandkids to their parents to change... just enjoy em for the BEST parts!!!
Control.... WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THE EARTH A coupl eof Volcano eruptions and poof, our carefully laid control plans are scrapped.
~95% is just the amount of the mail on these servers that IS SPAM.... we get around 5% genuine mail traffic. I am not sure how to make that any clearer. The false positive rate is very very close to zero, and the false negative rate is so low that if they do get a spam, they print it out and leave it for me in the trouble log... I haven't seen but one or two of those in years of service... IF you have found a good solution too, great!
~95% is just the amount of the mail on these servers that IS SPAM.... we get around 5% genuine mail traffic. I am not sure how to make that any clearer. The false positive rate is very very close to zero, and the false negative rate is so low that if they do get a spam, they print it out and leave it for me in the trouble log... I haven't seen but one or two of those in years of service... IF you ahve found a good solution too, great!
When this gets down to $100/terabyte, I will very very seriously consider getting one for my personal use storing my ripped DVD and bluray movies.... Right now I am looking at about 5-10K for a shoestring array to store my DVD and BR collection on for instant access.