I'm pretty sure the DSM states that Gender Dysphoria is when you have Dysphoria -- you hate your life -- over your Gender. I.e., it's Gender Nonconformity taken to the level that it is affecting your mental health.
And if course, Kita follows it up with some transphobia.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, you see why I put transphobia in quotes earlier. Because that term is so vague and has so many alternate definitions that you can literally be transphobic by saying "Hello Ma'am" to someone when they enter your business.
Yes, proudly so. If you are not able to work under your own merits, get the fuck out. It's one of the reasons the Post-Modernists were actively trying to sabotogue open source projects, with authoritarian and easily abused "codes of conduct," attempts at nailing Linus Torvalds with a rape hoax, repeated attempts at tone policing the Kernel Mailing list, and now an unhinged transwoman raving about how the big bad FSF hates transgendered people.
(The Code of Merit should be required viewing for anyone demanding a CoC be added to their project.)
"So...which is it?" If I read his post correctly, wouldn't a transvestite be under medication, and a post-op trans be cured?
Not sure. I was under the impression that the term "transvestite" is now a slur.
Here's an interesting thought experiment. If they managed to create a low cost pill that would "cure" dysphoria by realigning the person's brain with their body's natural hormonal output -- a cure that would not require transitioning. Would it be right to push people into that therapy + that medication rather than transitioning?
We're rapidly accelerating to the point that SRS surgery is going to be indistinguishable from a "cis" version of that person. I do have to wonder how society will change once consequence free transitioning is a thing.
This is one of the most annoying thing about today's SJW babies -- and one of the biggest reasons why society is finally fed up and not taking any more of it -- everything to them is about "hate." Anything they don't understand must be because of hate. People expressing opposing ideas or viewpoints are hateful. Must be so sad to live with such a disturbed worldview.
Actually, you bring up an interesting topic. Everything to them is about "hate."
That's because the same kind of thinking that religious belief is based around also allows for this Post-Modernist claptrap.
You see, if you turn the world into a nice black and white, then all you have to do is compare it to your predefined list of bad things and work backwards from there.
Is it a sin? Is it against the noble eightfold path? Is this heresy? If so, it's bad. Find a reason why later, it's bad, that's all you need to know.
They have swapped out this religious thinking for identity politics.
Is this sexist?
Is this racist?
Is this conservative?
Do normal straight men like it?
Is this capitalist?
If so, it's BAD. Find a reason later. That's why you see an ever-expanding bubble of "bad" surrounding them. "You're just a racist sexist Tea Party MRA GamerGate transphobic Alt Right islamophobic CIS WHITE MALE BernieBro benefiting from the capitalist heteronormative PATRIARCHY!"
The word salad doesn't matter. They really mean "bad."
The leader of the Honey Badgers has a great video up on it here. She's incredibly articulate and covers this in excellent detail.
You ask if the KiA link sounds like a troll. Let's check the headline:
"[SocJus] Leah Rowe, SJW sole git commit owner of Libreboot, rips the project away from GNU for the dismissal of a trans employee. Stallman and FSF deny discrimination, ask for proof, none is offered. Sound familiar?"
Yes, it sounds like a troll.
To you. To me, it's a simple statement of opinionated fact.
Leah Rowe (name, fact)
SJW (descriptive opinion of a form of authoritarian histrionic slacktivist troll, based on her actions and demeanor this is accurate, if an opinion)
rips the project away from GNU (fact, as she apparently does not represent the entire Libreboot commuinty)
for the dismissal of a trans employee. (fact, a trans employee was dismissed, and this is why she removed the project from GNU)
Stallman and FSF deny discrimination (fact, as linked before)
ask for proof (have not seen RMS or FSF ask for proof myself, but the line could also be read as "[Someone] Ask[ed] for Proof". I have seen others ask for proof)
none is offered (fact.)
Is a statement of fact you disagree with "trolling" now?
No, he set out to deliberately mislead. Compare his text to the content of the links - they are either shitty Reddit posts on well known troll boards, or they don't support what he is claiming at all.
Since I doubt you're claiming that the Liinux Subreddit, the Libreroot Developer, or the GNU mailing list are troll boards, I'm presuming you're talking about KiA.
I'd like to refer everyone to that KiA post again, as it's better cited than anything else I've seen on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...
Does this look like trolling to you? Archived links to primary sources? Really?
Are any of the links I quoted earlier divergent from my claims? That's apparently your claim. Which ones?
I was even called out for literally quoting Rowe's claims of "transphobia" because apparently quoting that word is "scare quotes," despite the term "transphobia" having a shifting definition that amounts to "anything that a Transgendered individual doesn't like."
You know why it's best to "scare quote" that term? Because without any context it can mean actual transphobia -- firing someone for their Gender Dysphoria -- or it can mean something as benign as refusing to use some made up fake pronouns or suggesting there are only two genders. This muddying of the water is intentional -- motte and bailey again.
We don't know what "transphboia" happened there, because there's no evidence about anything that's happened in this event. As far as we can know, the "transphobia" was firing an underperforming person who just happens to have Gender Dysphoria -- as you can't be Transgender without Gender Dysphoria -- under the theory that Transmen and Transwomen deserve special exceptions to the rules. I.e., the transphobic act was firing this dev, for any reason.
Which brings us back to the original topic. Contrast the above with the pile of very specific and legally actionable claims that the original claimant, one Leah Rowe, makes. https://libreboot.org/gnu/
There is exactly 0 evidence, 0 citations on this page. None. NONE.
Which one looks more like trolling, the one with 6 primary source citations, or the one that goes on for pages making vague claims of undefined wrongdoing, including directly accusing three people of violations of labor laws.
In fact, just noticed that in my re-reading. Here's that relevant part with the names removed.
The following people should either resign and/or be fired from the FSF, to be replaced by other people: X - executive director - the one who fired the employee Y - outreach and communication coordinator - the bully Z - system administrator - leaked private emails to X, which lead to the employee being fired.
I would like to put forth a different explanation of what happened, which is just as valid as Leah's based on having the same amount of evidence for it.
The employee in question was sending emails they should not have been. We could speculate on what they are -- harassment, threats, some form of slurs -- but it doesn't matter. The system admin did an investigation of said user's email -- no doubt after an investigation request by Human Resources -- and sent the information to HR. HR then recommended termination, which the executive director followed through with.
Does that sound a bit more reasonable than "it's all a conspiracy because the biggest open source organization in the world just hates transgendered people?" The same one that just happened to be the target of several faux outrage attempts (Sarah Sharp's fainting couch moment, the Ada Institute's attempt to fake a rape hoax against Linus, etc) in the past few years? Really?
In the end I refuse to "listen and believe" -- translating from neo-leftist doublespeak, I refuse to ignore due process and t
First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Haha you sure aren't! You sound exactly like a centipede (member of the alt-right). Why would someone who is socially about 16 lightyears to the right of anyone with a D beside their name have any interest in Hillary or Bernie? Maybe you're fiscally liberal, but there's some conflict between being fiscally liberal and socially conservative, which is why it's a vanishingly rare combination.
If I was following my political views, I'd have voted Jill Stein. Every Liberal would have. Since it's quite clear the DNC has lost the benefit of the doubt -- the "Russian Hackers" conspiracy theory has proven this without a doubt -- I think I will next time.
That's the horrific thing that has to be scaring the DNC. They used to have a "Youth Wall" -- they could assume people under around 30 would support them no matter what. That may no longer be true -- and it may be why they were trying to hobble the growing New Right movement online by claiming outrageously stupid things like "Pepe's a white nationalist!"
Remember, Hillary was openly calling for war with Russia (via no-fly zones in Syria). Trump got the GOP -- the GOP -- to give a standing ovation to the idea of protecting LGBT rights. But somehow he's Literally Hitler (tm) and going to set LGBT rights 30 years. Why? Because that's easier than admitting the Democrats have a problem.
Either way, again, thank you for being my new go to text macro version of this image.
"Gender Dysphoria" is not a mental illness. Unless being gay is a mental illness too, which I guess it is by your definition...
Wrong on both counts. It is classified as a mental illness so that insurance companies pay out on gender reassignment surgery, the same cannot be said for homosexuality. I'm afraid you can't just say "I want the money but without the negative connotation".
That is, ultimately, what this is about. They want Gender Dysphoria to be in some sort of weird quantum state of illness and identity, where they can pick either one based on what is most beneficial to them at any given time.
Want to pick and choose what treatment you get? Then it's identity, and you don't "need" dysphoria to have it.
Want to get a shared insurance fund to pay for your SRS and Transitioning? Then it's a mental illness and coverage is required by law.
It's a form of the Motte and Bailey post-modernist fallacy, the same one that brings us "crybullying" -- aka, "I'm so oppressed that I'm going to ruin your life for upsetting me."
There are people who have too much or too little of what makes us one or the other sex. They are _literally_ transgender.
What you are speaking of in this case would be intersex, but besides that, no. They feel their gender is wrong. That's the definition of Gender Dysphoria. They are _literally_ suffering from Gender Dysphoria. That's a mental illness or disorder. One that's treated via therapy as well as transitioning.
Which we have already established because it is covered under insurance.
I know a few members of the LGBT community and the last fucking thing they wanted was attention. They kept their heads as low as they could for most of their lives to avoid having them smashed in by people like yourself. Your B.S. is more of the "They choose to be LGBT" crap. Nobody chooses that life. You get shit on non-stop by everyone; _especially_ your family. You spend most of your childhood getting the shit kicked out of your.
You heard it here ladies and gentlemen (and sorry, those are the only two genders): Calling Gender Dysphoria a mental illness - when it is a mental illness -- somehow means the following:
* You wish to physically assault and / or murder people suffering from this mental illness. * You believe this mental illness is by choice, like no other mental illness in the history of the world.
If you question anything, even the most tiny part of the doctrine, you're tossed in with the most hateful people imaginable, because when you have an echo chamber you absolutely cannot have any windows in it.
Finally your opinion is bad for you too. Hating on LGBTs, like hating on Blacks, is just yet another way the ruling class gives you an outlet for your frustrations instead of better pay and a better lifestyle. It's a buffer to keep the working class at each other's throats instead of theirs. They've been doing it for centuries. Grow the fuck up, wake the fuck up and realize who your real enemies are. You've got more important things to worry about than whether some dude thinks like a chick.
I don't hate LGBTs, nor have I said anything to the effect. Any perceived bigotry is projection on your part. And I love the mention of the "ruling class" and "working class" stuff -- surefire codeword that I'm speaking with a Marxist.
Because that's one of the major takeaways from all the shit mentioned in this thread -- the attempts at "safe spaces," giving "normal" the magic word "cis," the demanding that special classes of people such as Blacks or Transgenders get special rights are the result of people taking the same failed Marxist ideas that have killed hundreds of millions of people and applying it to minorities.
Identity Politics is a scam. We aren't a hivemind and I owe you no apologies for what other people with the same traits as I have done, nor do I owe you or anyone a damned thing because of some superficial trait.
And since fucking when did/. mod trolls up? This guy got up to +4 for God's sake... Can we get some mods in here?
What exactly are leftists regressing too? Or is this another case of someone from the right wing trying to paint the left with their own brush ala Karl Rove?
First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Second. Regressive Left is a play on the term "Progressives." Because the authoritarian post-modernist critical theory (read: marxist) nutjobs who are behind the Progressive movement are anything BUT progressive.
They want to set up segregation again, this time under the theory that they'll choose who gets the good water fountains. http://www.thecollegefix.com/p...
They want to discard the magna carta and the foundations of our legal system -- because some pink haired "Gender Diversity Officer" should have more of a say than the police in rape accusations. http://www.indystar.com/story/...
They want to redefine terms like "racism" so that certain protected classes are allowed to be racist, because they don't know any better. Because the people suggesting this are racists. https://www.rawstory.com/2016/...
We just saw the US population as well as the UK reject this insanity. The rest of the EU appears to be following right behind. And rather than do any form of introspection and start pushing out some of these toxic, problematic marxist elements, instead we get unhinged conspiracy theories about L33t Russian Haxx0rs.
God save us, because the left has learned absolutely nothing.
(Fun fact: Note that the CIA also confirmed all those emails were true, but we're not supposed to care that the DNC is more corrupt than the GOP now. Nor are we supposed to care that Trump actually bamboozled the GOP into giving him a standing ovation when he talked about protecting Gay Rights. Remember, Literally Hitler.)
You calling a transgendered person "mentally ill" sounds no different than the bigots who called homosexuals "mentally ill" How is your bigotry any more justified than theirs, bigot?
I'm not calling transgendered people mentally ill. I'm saying Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.
Now, since being Transgender requires Gender Dysphoria -- so called Tumbrina "TransTrenders" aren't transgender, they're attention seeking children -- it's an unpopular, but correct, statement to say that they are people with a mental illness receiving treatment.
Fortunately for me, an "unpopular" opinion is not bigotry, no matter what the authoritarian regressive post-modernists that have taken over the left in the west think.
Also there is more information as to why libreboot left the GNU. From their site - 'Libreboot left GNU on 2016-09-15, in protest of transgender discrimination at the FSF'.
Having read it... That's... an interesting interpretation of events. You'll note the complete lack of evidence in it? That's important.
Here's what actually happened, based on what evidence I could find. Leah Woods is a SJW who had a fit because of some made up bullshit that boils down, like all made up SJW bullshit, to "Open Source is a meritocracy, but we still want special treatment."
Basically, Leah Rowe had a fit because the FSF parted ways with a transgendered employee.
Leah makes the unfounded claim that the FSF did this because the person has a mental illness (gender dysphoria / gender identity disorder), because someone wrote criticism of said person with mental illness which looked bad on the FSF, etc. She provides no evidence of these VERY specific claims. http://archive.is/iXIbc
The FSF make a statement on 9/16 pointing out that they have a strong anti-harassment and anti-discrimination policies, as well as a so called "safe space policy" at FSF events. In other words, they have already capitulated to all the standard Regressive Leftist demands. They deny the accusation and say the person with mental illness was terminated for other reasons. https://archive.is/HGLMa
Leah specifically follows up this claim here, changing her claim to a different claim that two FSF employees were "transphobic" and "bullying" this mentally ill developer. She namedrops these two people, but refuses to namedrop the supposed victim, believing they deserve protection from any criticism or questioning of these claims. Note that this apparently does not apply to the two men she is accusing without any form of evidence of unprofessional and possibly illegal behavior. https://archive.is/7cXtw#selec...
She follows this up with more increasingly unhinged spam and unfounded accusations. She ignores, bans, or curses out people requesting evidence or disputing her one woman lynch mob. She posts an unhinged screed on her website showing she has little to no understanding of open source, all while repeating the same unfounded claims, as well as claiming martyrdom on her part. https://archive.is/JmiTG
It's important to note that libreroot is a fork of Coreboot and being part of the GNU project means it was posted under an open source license. Which means someone could easily fork it again and put it BACK in the GNU project. Of course, proving she doesn't understand the first thing about open source, she specifically wants people NOT to do that. I suggest the name cisLibreBoot, because it seems the most amusing name possible.
Fortunately, the GNU mailing list appears to basically shut her histrionics down fairly quickly: http://archive.is/di974
In addition, it's important to realize the unhinged professional victimhood martyrdom ravings of Leah Rowe, which are REMARKABLY similar to other social justice activists such as Brianna Wu or Nora Reed, don't actually represent the Libreroot community. See, it turns out, what she did was steal access to the main repository and lock out everyone else, all while making her unhinged, evidence-free stat
Oh do please tell us, all you Wikileaks supporters, just how wonderful an organization it is, as it begins the process of trying to fuck over hundreds of thousands of people whose only crime was verifying their account.
Sure. Let me just start this with something important.
The article is false. Wikileaks does not wish to dox anyone. They wish to create a database of influence. Politician X votes a certain way, you can check and see he was paid off by Corporation Y. Journalist A working for Publication B is owned by Corporation C, which has connections to X, Y, Z, W.
For example, here's a list of reporters who were outed as colluding with the Hillary Clinton campaign via the email leaks.
(Remember kids, the Genetic Fallacy -- "Herp Derp BREITBART FAKE NEWS" -- means your argument is invalid and I win!)
So. How many of those reporters had disclaimers mentioning that they were actively working with HRC's campaign on their articles talking about HRC, Bernie, or Trump?
Basically, Wikileaks is talking about taking the GamerGate corruption and conflict of interest database, http://deepfreeze.it/ , and port the idea to the mainstream.
Now, having put the above information forward -- the example of the kind of collusion and influence that Wikileaks is wanting to create a map of, can you see why the people at CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News would be a liiiitle upset that someone might want to make a database following their biases, conflicts of interest, nepotism, and the like?
Do Democratic Party leaders think Americans want to be governed by angry, grievance-obsessed second-rate game developers? Shouldn't they have learned a lesson about telling everyone they have to vote for the designated candidate despite that person having few accomplishments and being generally unappealing?
Second? You do her too much credit. The only reason that festering pile of shit is on iOS / Steam / what have you is a complete and UTTER lack of quality control.
Want to know why Greenlight was a huge mistake? Revolution 60 and Depression Quest (which bypassed Steam Greenlight due to Quinn having a SJW friend at Valve).
In other news nintendo's new console less powerful than 2/3 year old rivals. No doubt they are banking on mario and mario kart, a zelda game, pokemon and all their other old staples to see them through.....again.
So? Both of THOSE are less powerful than a comparable PC. It doesn't matter. We've hit a plateau where the graphics aren't getting better by leaps and bounds anymore. The PS4, XBox, and WiiU / Switch graphics are "good enough."
No evidence? She literally used Bleachbit on her server after being supoenaed and told to not delete anything. If she was literally anyone else she would be in jail right now. 30,000+ counts of destruction of evidence.
And you aren't concerned that a foreign country directly altered the outcome of an election here?
I'd be very concerned, if that happened.... Got any evidence of that happening?
Because so far we've seen absolutely nothing other than the Regressive Left completely losing their minds. Seriously, Keith Olbermann's twitter reads like a slightly less sane Alex Jones rant. It makes me wonder if he's always been that nuts and I just didn't notice because I agree with him politically.
In the end, it's best to remember Sagan's Law - "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The idea that Russia would have committed an act of war to prevent Hillary from inciting a war with them is an EXTREMELY large claim. Where's the evidence? Hell, the CIA won't even show this supposed evidence to Congress but are demanding to show it to the Electoral College members.
All told, so far what it looks like to me is that "Russian Hackers" is this year's "But where's the Birth Certificate?" A cheap political smear job designed to delegitimize the incoming administration and make President Trump waste political capital dealing with loons. It has the added bonus of giving the Regressive Left an excuse as to why they lost that doesn't involve them doing any form of self reflection.
First, there are only two genders. Male. Female. Sorry, but it's true. No amount of Tumblr post-modernist claptrap will ever change that.
Second, yes, SRS is blatantly a downvote / harassment group. Even the CEO admits this. You can try and crybully all you want, but you just flat out stated it: SRS is a place people can attract attention to posts they disagree with so people can (wink wink) be mad and (nudge nudge) nothing else. So it's obviously just a cooooincidence when SRS or one of it's sub-groups links to a post and suddenly the thread is filled with shitheels from SRS harassing people and downvoting things into oblivion.
But it's OK, because they had the wrong opinions, and after all, SRS and the Regressive Left trolls that inhabit it have truly golden morality that we all must accept as perfect truth. Or else.
And that's not getting into some of the other shitty things SRS has done - the doxing, the taking over of other subs just to destroy them (like the attempted coup of meirl a few months back, heck I just checked and one of them has over 60 subs under his control, and another has several hundred), the use of bots to auto-downvote and harass people...
Lets be frank. If The_Donald did half of what SRS does every single day they would be shut down and absolutely no one would be able to defend them. But Regressive Leftist subs like SRS, Drama, etc get a pass because they share some of the same politics as the admins. It's an open joke that a group of no life losers can hang out in IRC and brigade on reddit all day and never, EVER face consequences.
POC DailyKOS blogger and Bernie supporter, actually, but by all means, if suggesting I'm a white conservative helps you other me and dismiss me, go ahead.
I would suggest you check with the tribe, though, the new term for "everyone who disagrees with us" is "alt-right," not "wing-nut."
Correct, you are guessing. Which is a form of ad-hominem attack, actually -- by attempting to ascertain my socioeconomic background, you are hoping to discredit my argument based on something irrelevant to said argument.
Ah, the old Intersectionality claptrap, which is a brain dropping from the Post-Modernist ("We can use logic to disprove logic! Feels before reals!") bullshit that has infested American Academia and, through them, the American Left.
(Fun fact: Intersectionality is designed to make sure every other minority group eventually surrenders it's oppression to Women -- and especially White Women. Say something racist to a Latino? Insinuate you might not like to discover your girlfriend has a penis? Be worried at Radical Islamists moving into your neighborhood and harassing young women in the area? Somehow, the White Women on Twitter will use that to justify their delusions of being oppressed.)
Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but we don't live in a patriarchy. There is no such thing as "white privilege" -- only class privilege, which most third wave feminists (being upper-middle class hipster douchebags living off daddy's trust fund) NEVER speak of.
We're actually in a gynocentric society, which is why Women can rape young boys and get away with 15 days of community service, and if the young boy happens to be 18, well then that's not even rape in most states --because rape is SPECIFICALLY written to be something only men can be guilty of in most states.
(Also note that the Intersectionality Marxists NEVER speak of "Asian Privilege," despite Asian Americans generally doing better socio-economically in the US in nearly every metric.)
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I'm pretty sure the DSM states that Gender Dysphoria is when you have Dysphoria -- you hate your life -- over your Gender. I.e., it's Gender Nonconformity taken to the level that it is affecting your mental health.
Or, in layman's terms...
And if course, Kita follows it up with some transphobia.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, you see why I put transphobia in quotes earlier. Because that term is so vague and has so many alternate definitions that you can literally be transphobic by saying "Hello Ma'am" to someone when they enter your business.
Yes, proudly so. If you are not able to work under your own merits, get the fuck out. It's one of the reasons the Post-Modernists were actively trying to sabotogue open source projects, with authoritarian and easily abused "codes of conduct," attempts at nailing Linus Torvalds with a rape hoax, repeated attempts at tone policing the Kernel Mailing list, and now an unhinged transwoman raving about how the big bad FSF hates transgendered people.
(The Code of Merit should be required viewing for anyone demanding a CoC be added to their project.)
"So...which is it?"
If I read his post correctly, wouldn't a transvestite be under medication, and a post-op trans be cured?
Not sure. I was under the impression that the term "transvestite" is now a slur.
Here's an interesting thought experiment. If they managed to create a low cost pill that would "cure" dysphoria by realigning the person's brain with their body's natural hormonal output -- a cure that would not require transitioning. Would it be right to push people into that therapy + that medication rather than transitioning?
We're rapidly accelerating to the point that SRS surgery is going to be indistinguishable from a "cis" version of that person. I do have to wonder how society will change once consequence free transitioning is a thing.
Lol. KiTa. The guy that got banned from multiple gaming websites for posting support of pedophilia.
Name one.
This is one of the most annoying thing about today's SJW babies -- and one of the biggest reasons why society is finally fed up and not taking any more of it -- everything to them is about "hate." Anything they don't understand must be because of hate. People expressing opposing ideas or viewpoints are hateful. Must be so sad to live with such a disturbed worldview.
Actually, you bring up an interesting topic. Everything to them is about "hate."
That's because the same kind of thinking that religious belief is based around also allows for this Post-Modernist claptrap.
You see, if you turn the world into a nice black and white, then all you have to do is compare it to your predefined list of bad things and work backwards from there.
Is it a sin? Is it against the noble eightfold path? Is this heresy? If so, it's bad. Find a reason why later, it's bad, that's all you need to know.
They have swapped out this religious thinking for identity politics.
Is this sexist?
Is this racist?
Is this conservative?
Do normal straight men like it?
Is this capitalist?
If so, it's BAD. Find a reason later. That's why you see an ever-expanding bubble of "bad" surrounding them. "You're just a racist sexist Tea Party MRA GamerGate transphobic Alt Right islamophobic CIS WHITE MALE BernieBro benefiting from the capitalist heteronormative PATRIARCHY!"
The word salad doesn't matter. They really mean "bad."
The leader of the Honey Badgers has a great video up on it here. She's incredibly articulate and covers this in excellent detail.
People suffering from this condition aren't doing it just to inconvenience you
Nor did I say so. You are changing my argument to make it easier to attack. The textbook definition of a Strawman Fallacy.
You ask if the KiA link sounds like a troll. Let's check the headline:
"[SocJus] Leah Rowe, SJW sole git commit owner of Libreboot, rips the project away from GNU for the dismissal of a trans employee. Stallman and FSF deny discrimination, ask for proof, none is offered. Sound familiar?"
Yes, it sounds like a troll.
To you. To me, it's a simple statement of opinionated fact.
Leah Rowe (name, fact)
SJW (descriptive opinion of a form of authoritarian histrionic slacktivist troll, based on her actions and demeanor this is accurate, if an opinion)
sole git commit owner of Libreboot (fact, according to one of the developers of libreboot)
rips the project away from GNU (fact, as she apparently does not represent the entire Libreboot commuinty)
for the dismissal of a trans employee. (fact, a trans employee was dismissed, and this is why she removed the project from GNU)
Stallman and FSF deny discrimination (fact, as linked before)
ask for proof (have not seen RMS or FSF ask for proof myself, but the line could also be read as "[Someone] Ask[ed] for Proof". I have seen others ask for proof)
none is offered (fact.)
Is a statement of fact you disagree with "trolling" now?
No, he set out to deliberately mislead. Compare his text to the content of the links - they are either shitty Reddit posts on well known troll boards, or they don't support what he is claiming at all.
Since I doubt you're claiming that the Liinux Subreddit, the Libreroot Developer, or the GNU mailing list are troll boards, I'm presuming you're talking about KiA.
I'd like to refer everyone to that KiA post again, as it's better cited than anything else I've seen on the topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...
Does this look like trolling to you? Archived links to primary sources? Really?
Are any of the links I quoted earlier divergent from my claims? That's apparently your claim. Which ones?
I was even called out for literally quoting Rowe's claims of "transphobia" because apparently quoting that word is "scare quotes," despite the term "transphobia" having a shifting definition that amounts to "anything that a Transgendered individual doesn't like."
You know why it's best to "scare quote" that term? Because without any context it can mean actual transphobia -- firing someone for their Gender Dysphoria -- or it can mean something as benign as refusing to use some made up fake pronouns or suggesting there are only two genders. This muddying of the water is intentional -- motte and bailey again.
We don't know what "transphboia" happened there, because there's no evidence about anything that's happened in this event. As far as we can know, the "transphobia" was firing an underperforming person who just happens to have Gender Dysphoria -- as you can't be Transgender without Gender Dysphoria -- under the theory that Transmen and Transwomen deserve special exceptions to the rules. I.e., the transphobic act was firing this dev, for any reason.
Which brings us back to the original topic. Contrast the above with the pile of very specific and legally actionable claims that the original claimant, one Leah Rowe, makes.
https://libreboot.org/gnu/
There is exactly 0 evidence, 0 citations on this page. None. NONE.
Which one looks more like trolling, the one with 6 primary source citations, or the one that goes on for pages making vague claims of undefined wrongdoing, including directly accusing three people of violations of labor laws.
In fact, just noticed that in my re-reading. Here's that relevant part with the names removed.
The following people should either resign and/or be fired from the FSF, to be replaced by other people:
X - executive director - the one who fired the employee
Y - outreach and communication coordinator - the bully
Z - system administrator - leaked private emails to X, which lead to the employee being fired.
I would like to put forth a different explanation of what happened, which is just as valid as Leah's based on having the same amount of evidence for it.
The employee in question was sending emails they should not have been. We could speculate on what they are -- harassment, threats, some form of slurs -- but it doesn't matter. The system admin did an investigation of said user's email -- no doubt after an investigation request by Human Resources -- and sent the information to HR. HR then recommended termination, which the executive director followed through with.
Does that sound a bit more reasonable than "it's all a conspiracy because the biggest open source organization in the world just hates transgendered people?" The same one that just happened to be the target of several faux outrage attempts (Sarah Sharp's fainting couch moment, the Ada Institute's attempt to fake a rape hoax against Linus, etc) in the past few years? Really?
In the end I refuse to "listen and believe" -- translating from neo-leftist doublespeak, I refuse to ignore due process and t
First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Haha you sure aren't! You sound exactly like a centipede (member of the alt-right). Why would someone who is socially about 16 lightyears to the right of anyone with a D beside their name have any interest in Hillary or Bernie? Maybe you're fiscally liberal, but there's some conflict between being fiscally liberal and socially conservative, which is why it's a vanishingly rare combination.
You know what, returning this one.
Considering that Hillary Clinton is extremely hard right, more right wing (but less authoritarian) than Trump, yeah, I guess I'm just a bad liberal for being upset that the Dems put forth a Neo-Conservative candidate in defiance of their base.
If I was following my political views, I'd have voted Jill Stein. Every Liberal would have. Since it's quite clear the DNC has lost the benefit of the doubt -- the "Russian Hackers" conspiracy theory has proven this without a doubt -- I think I will next time.
That's the horrific thing that has to be scaring the DNC. They used to have a "Youth Wall" -- they could assume people under around 30 would support them no matter what. That may no longer be true -- and it may be why they were trying to hobble the growing New Right movement online by claiming outrageously stupid things like "Pepe's a white nationalist!"
Remember, Hillary was openly calling for war with Russia (via no-fly zones in Syria). Trump got the GOP -- the GOP -- to give a standing ovation to the idea of protecting LGBT rights. But somehow he's Literally Hitler (tm) and going to set LGBT rights 30 years. Why? Because that's easier than admitting the Democrats have a problem.
Either way, again, thank you for being my new go to text macro version of this image.
http://imgur.com/az4WByY
Thank you for being my new go to text macro version of this image.
http://imgur.com/az4WByY
"Gender Dysphoria" is not a mental illness. Unless being gay is a mental illness too, which I guess it is by your definition...
Wrong on both counts. It is classified as a mental illness so that insurance companies pay out on gender reassignment surgery, the same cannot be said for homosexuality. I'm afraid you can't just say "I want the money but without the negative connotation".
That is, ultimately, what this is about. They want Gender Dysphoria to be in some sort of weird quantum state of illness and identity, where they can pick either one based on what is most beneficial to them at any given time.
Want to pick and choose what treatment you get? Then it's identity, and you don't "need" dysphoria to have it.
Want to get a shared insurance fund to pay for your SRS and Transitioning? Then it's a mental illness and coverage is required by law.
It's a form of the Motte and Bailey post-modernist fallacy, the same one that brings us "crybullying" -- aka, "I'm so oppressed that I'm going to ruin your life for upsetting me."
There are people who have too much or too little of what makes us one or the other sex. They are _literally_ transgender.
What you are speaking of in this case would be intersex, but besides that, no. They feel their gender is wrong. That's the definition of Gender Dysphoria. They are _literally_ suffering from Gender Dysphoria. That's a mental illness or disorder. One that's treated via therapy as well as transitioning.
Which we have already established because it is covered under insurance.
I know a few members of the LGBT community and the last fucking thing they wanted was attention. They kept their heads as low as they could for most of their lives to avoid having them smashed in by people like yourself. Your B.S. is more of the "They choose to be LGBT" crap. Nobody chooses that life. You get shit on non-stop by everyone; _especially_ your family. You spend most of your childhood getting the shit kicked out of your.
You heard it here ladies and gentlemen (and sorry, those are the only two genders): Calling Gender Dysphoria a mental illness - when it is a mental illness -- somehow means the following:
* You wish to physically assault and / or murder people suffering from this mental illness.
* You believe this mental illness is by choice, like no other mental illness in the history of the world.
If you question anything, even the most tiny part of the doctrine, you're tossed in with the most hateful people imaginable, because when you have an echo chamber you absolutely cannot have any windows in it.
Finally your opinion is bad for you too. Hating on LGBTs, like hating on Blacks, is just yet another way the ruling class gives you an outlet for your frustrations instead of better pay and a better lifestyle. It's a buffer to keep the working class at each other's throats instead of theirs. They've been doing it for centuries. Grow the fuck up, wake the fuck up and realize who your real enemies are. You've got more important things to worry about than whether some dude thinks like a chick.
I don't hate LGBTs, nor have I said anything to the effect. Any perceived bigotry is projection on your part. And I love the mention of the "ruling class" and "working class" stuff -- surefire codeword that I'm speaking with a Marxist.
Because that's one of the major takeaways from all the shit mentioned in this thread -- the attempts at "safe spaces," giving "normal" the magic word "cis," the demanding that special classes of people such as Blacks or Transgenders get special rights are the result of people taking the same failed Marxist ideas that have killed hundreds of millions of people and applying it to minorities.
Identity Politics is a scam. We aren't a hivemind and I owe you no apologies for what other people with the same traits as I have done, nor do I owe you or anyone a damned thing because of some superficial trait.
And since fucking when did /. mod trolls up? This guy got up to +4 for God's sake... Can we get some mods in here?
Sounds like you need some muscle over here!
What exactly are leftists regressing too? Or is this another case of someone from the right wing trying to paint the left with their own brush ala Karl Rove?
First off, I'm a liberal. Voted for Hillary, although my heart belonged to Bernie. I'm not afraid of Trump, though, so I'm apparently not a very good liberal.
Second. Regressive Left is a play on the term "Progressives." Because the authoritarian post-modernist critical theory (read: marxist) nutjobs who are behind the Progressive movement are anything BUT progressive.
They want to set up segregation again, this time under the theory that they'll choose who gets the good water fountains. http://www.thecollegefix.com/p...
They want to discard the magna carta and the foundations of our legal system -- because some pink haired "Gender Diversity Officer" should have more of a say than the police in rape accusations.
http://www.indystar.com/story/...
They want to redefine terms like "racism" so that certain protected classes are allowed to be racist, because they don't know any better. Because the people suggesting this are racists. https://www.rawstory.com/2016/...
We just saw the US population as well as the UK reject this insanity. The rest of the EU appears to be following right behind. And rather than do any form of introspection and start pushing out some of these toxic, problematic marxist elements, instead we get unhinged conspiracy theories about L33t Russian Haxx0rs.
God save us, because the left has learned absolutely nothing.
(Fun fact: Note that the CIA also confirmed all those emails were true, but we're not supposed to care that the DNC is more corrupt than the GOP now. Nor are we supposed to care that Trump actually bamboozled the GOP into giving him a standing ovation when he talked about protecting Gay Rights. Remember, Literally Hitler.)
You calling a transgendered person "mentally ill" sounds no different than the bigots who called homosexuals "mentally ill"
How is your bigotry any more justified than theirs, bigot?
I'm not calling transgendered people mentally ill. I'm saying Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.
http://www.ifge.org/302.85_Gen...
http://www.theravive.com/thera...
http://dsm.psychiatryonline.or...
https://www.psychiatry.org/pat...
And I'm right. Sorry, but it's true.
Now, since being Transgender requires Gender Dysphoria -- so called Tumbrina "TransTrenders" aren't transgender, they're attention seeking children -- it's an unpopular, but correct, statement to say that they are people with a mental illness receiving treatment.
Fortunately for me, an "unpopular" opinion is not bigotry, no matter what the authoritarian regressive post-modernists that have taken over the left in the west think.
Um - https://libreboot.org/
Also there is more information as to why libreboot left the GNU. From their site - 'Libreboot left GNU on 2016-09-15, in protest of transgender discrimination at the FSF'.
Having read it... That's... an interesting interpretation of events. You'll note the complete lack of evidence in it? That's important.
Here's what actually happened, based on what evidence I could find. Leah Woods is a SJW who had a fit because of some made up bullshit that boils down, like all made up SJW bullshit, to "Open Source is a meritocracy, but we still want special treatment."
Here's a well sourced discussion on it on Kotaku In Action, the GamerGate reddit board:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...
And some discussion over on reddit's linux board:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux...
Basically, Leah Rowe had a fit because the FSF parted ways with a transgendered employee.
Leah makes the unfounded claim that the FSF did this because the person has a mental illness (gender dysphoria / gender identity disorder), because someone wrote criticism of said person with mental illness which looked bad on the FSF, etc. She provides no evidence of these VERY specific claims.
http://archive.is/iXIbc
The FSF make a statement on 9/16 pointing out that they have a strong anti-harassment and anti-discrimination policies, as well as a so called "safe space policy" at FSF events. In other words, they have already capitulated to all the standard Regressive Leftist demands. They deny the accusation and say the person with mental illness was terminated for other reasons.
https://archive.is/HGLMa
Leah specifically follows up this claim here, changing her claim to a different claim that two FSF employees were "transphobic" and "bullying" this mentally ill developer. She namedrops these two people, but refuses to namedrop the supposed victim, believing they deserve protection from any criticism or questioning of these claims. Note that this apparently does not apply to the two men she is accusing without any form of evidence of unprofessional and possibly illegal behavior.
https://archive.is/7cXtw#selec...
She follows this up with more increasingly unhinged spam and unfounded accusations. She ignores, bans, or curses out people requesting evidence or disputing her one woman lynch mob. She posts an unhinged screed on her website showing she has little to no understanding of open source, all while repeating the same unfounded claims, as well as claiming martyrdom on her part.
https://archive.is/JmiTG
It's important to note that libreroot is a fork of Coreboot and being part of the GNU project means it was posted under an open source license. Which means someone could easily fork it again and put it BACK in the GNU project. Of course, proving she doesn't understand the first thing about open source, she specifically wants people NOT to do that. I suggest the name cisLibreBoot, because it seems the most amusing name possible.
Fortunately, the GNU mailing list appears to basically shut her histrionics down fairly quickly:
http://archive.is/di974
In addition, it's important to realize the unhinged professional victimhood martyrdom ravings of Leah Rowe, which are REMARKABLY similar to other social justice activists such as Brianna Wu or Nora Reed, don't actually represent the Libreroot community. See, it turns out, what she did was steal access to the main repository and lock out everyone else, all while making her unhinged, evidence-free stat
Oh do please tell us, all you Wikileaks supporters, just how wonderful an organization it is, as it begins the process of trying to fuck over hundreds of thousands of people whose only crime was verifying their account.
Sure. Let me just start this with something important.
The article is false. Wikileaks does not wish to dox anyone. They wish to create a database of influence. Politician X votes a certain way, you can check and see he was paid off by Corporation Y. Journalist A working for Publication B is owned by Corporation C, which has connections to X, Y, Z, W.
For example, here's a list of reporters who were outed as colluding with the Hillary Clinton campaign via the email leaks.
http://imgur.com/a/oO3FS
Here's a second, more exhaustive list: https://i.redd.it/ol970kkt2nyx...
And Breitbart has more details: http://www.breitbart.com/wikil...
(Remember kids, the Genetic Fallacy -- "Herp Derp BREITBART FAKE NEWS" -- means your argument is invalid and I win!)
So. How many of those reporters had disclaimers mentioning that they were actively working with HRC's campaign on their articles talking about HRC, Bernie, or Trump?
Basically, Wikileaks is talking about taking the GamerGate corruption and conflict of interest database, http://deepfreeze.it/ , and port the idea to the mainstream.
Now, having put the above information forward -- the example of the kind of collusion and influence that Wikileaks is wanting to create a map of, can you see why the people at CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News would be a liiiitle upset that someone might want to make a database following their biases, conflicts of interest, nepotism, and the like?
Do Democratic Party leaders think Americans want to be governed by angry, grievance-obsessed second-rate game developers? Shouldn't they have learned a lesson about telling everyone they have to vote for the designated candidate despite that person having few accomplishments and being generally unappealing?
Second? You do her too much credit. The only reason that festering pile of shit is on iOS / Steam / what have you is a complete and UTTER lack of quality control.
Want to know why Greenlight was a huge mistake? Revolution 60 and Depression Quest (which bypassed Steam Greenlight due to Quinn having a SJW friend at Valve).
In other news nintendo's new console less powerful than 2/3 year old rivals. No doubt they are banking on mario and mario kart, a zelda game, pokemon and all their other old staples to see them through.....again.
So? Both of THOSE are less powerful than a comparable PC. It doesn't matter. We've hit a plateau where the graphics aren't getting better by leaps and bounds anymore. The PS4, XBox, and WiiU / Switch graphics are "good enough."
No evidence? She literally used Bleachbit on her server after being supoenaed and told to not delete anything. If she was literally anyone else she would be in jail right now. 30,000+ counts of destruction of evidence.
And you aren't concerned that a foreign country directly altered the outcome of an election here?
I'd be very concerned, if that happened. ... Got any evidence of that happening?
Because so far we've seen absolutely nothing other than the Regressive Left completely losing their minds. Seriously, Keith Olbermann's twitter reads like a slightly less sane Alex Jones rant. It makes me wonder if he's always been that nuts and I just didn't notice because I agree with him politically.
In the end, it's best to remember Sagan's Law - "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The idea that Russia would have committed an act of war to prevent Hillary from inciting a war with them is an EXTREMELY large claim. Where's the evidence? Hell, the CIA won't even show this supposed evidence to Congress but are demanding to show it to the Electoral College members.
All told, so far what it looks like to me is that "Russian Hackers" is this year's "But where's the Birth Certificate?" A cheap political smear job designed to delegitimize the incoming administration and make President Trump waste political capital dealing with loons. It has the added bonus of giving the Regressive Left an excuse as to why they lost that doesn't involve them doing any form of self reflection.
First, there are only two genders. Male. Female. Sorry, but it's true. No amount of Tumblr post-modernist claptrap will ever change that.
Second, yes, SRS is blatantly a downvote / harassment group. Even the CEO admits this. You can try and crybully all you want, but you just flat out stated it: SRS is a place people can attract attention to posts they disagree with so people can (wink wink) be mad and (nudge nudge) nothing else. So it's obviously just a cooooincidence when SRS or one of it's sub-groups links to a post and suddenly the thread is filled with shitheels from SRS harassing people and downvoting things into oblivion.
But it's OK, because they had the wrong opinions, and after all, SRS and the Regressive Left trolls that inhabit it have truly golden morality that we all must accept as perfect truth. Or else.
And that's not getting into some of the other shitty things SRS has done - the doxing, the taking over of other subs just to destroy them (like the attempted coup of meirl a few months back, heck I just checked and one of them has over 60 subs under his control, and another has several hundred), the use of bots to auto-downvote and harass people...
Lets be frank. If The_Donald did half of what SRS does every single day they would be shut down and absolutely no one would be able to defend them. But Regressive Leftist subs like SRS, Drama, etc get a pass because they share some of the same politics as the admins. It's an open joke that a group of no life losers can hang out in IRC and brigade on reddit all day and never, EVER face consequences.
POC DailyKOS blogger and Bernie supporter, actually, but by all means, if suggesting I'm a white conservative helps you other me and dismiss me, go ahead.
I would suggest you check with the tribe, though, the new term for "everyone who disagrees with us" is "alt-right," not "wing-nut."
Correct, you are guessing. Which is a form of ad-hominem attack, actually -- by attempting to ascertain my socioeconomic background, you are hoping to discredit my argument based on something irrelevant to said argument.
Ah, the old Intersectionality claptrap, which is a brain dropping from the Post-Modernist ("We can use logic to disprove logic! Feels before reals!") bullshit that has infested American Academia and, through them, the American Left.
(Fun fact: Intersectionality is designed to make sure every other minority group eventually surrenders it's oppression to Women -- and especially White Women. Say something racist to a Latino? Insinuate you might not like to discover your girlfriend has a penis? Be worried at Radical Islamists moving into your neighborhood and harassing young women in the area? Somehow, the White Women on Twitter will use that to justify their delusions of being oppressed.)
Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but we don't live in a patriarchy. There is no such thing as "white privilege" -- only class privilege, which most third wave feminists (being upper-middle class hipster douchebags living off daddy's trust fund) NEVER speak of.
We're actually in a gynocentric society, which is why Women can rape young boys and get away with 15 days of community service, and if the young boy happens to be 18, well then that's not even rape in most states --because rape is SPECIFICALLY written to be something only men can be guilty of in most states.
And also, sorry, but no matter how much you defend the great Feminist overlords, they ain't going to give you a happy ending.
(Also note that the Intersectionality Marxists NEVER speak of "Asian Privilege," despite Asian Americans generally doing better socio-economically in the US in nearly every metric.)