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White House Supports Claim Putin Directed US Election Hack (bbc.com)
The White House is suggesting that Russian President Vladimir Putin was directly involved in a hacking operation aimed at interfering with the U.S. presidential election. BBC reports: Ben Rhodes, adviser to President Barack Obama, said that Mr Putin maintains tight control on government operations, which suggests that he was aware. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest added that it was "pretty obvious" that Mr Putin was involved. "Everything we know about how Russia operates and how Putin controls that government would suggest that, again, when you're talking about a significant cyber intrusion like this, we're talking about the highest levels of government," Mr Rhodes said. "And ultimately, Vladimir Putin is the official responsible for the actions of the Russian government." NBC reported that the U.S. had evidence that Mr Putin personally directed how information hacked by Russian intelligence was leaked. The Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence also released a statement asserting Russia had orchestrated the hack, including breaches on the Democratic National Committee and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The contents of those hacks, passed to Wikileaks and posted online, were embarrassing to the Democrats and shook up the presidential campaign. The NBC report, which cited two unnamed senior officials, said the hacking campaign began as a "vendetta" against Mrs Clinton before becoming "an effort to show corruption in American politics and split off key American allies." Mr Putin is said to have been furious when Mrs Clinton, as secretary of state, questioned the integrity of 2011 parliamentary elections in Russia. He publicly accused her of encouraging street protests.
... nothing of substance here.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Why does this shit get not deleted as fake news?
Before the election. His wife is Russian and a spy. Which makes him a spy. The whole thing is so fucking funny because so many people are going to look like fools. One way or the other. And these are the fuckers who take your money. We need a whole new system. Greedy capitalism and subdued racism is not the right solution. If you are rich and you need more money then you need to be shot.
They are just inferring, where is the proof they were involved?
Putin knew. Who didn't?
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There is absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever. Putin wasn't sitting in some dark room personally observing this. What exactly did russia "hack"? It's not like every single election system in every county is the same exact hardware/software platform. "Election fraud.... what does that even mean?"
This is obvious fake news brought to you by butthurt democrat supporters who STILL can't accept that their goddess lost. What a fucking joke.
Anonymous sources claim...
CIA Suspects...
White House believes...
None of this is evidence, let alone proof.
All I'm seeing for the past several days is sour grapes, bitterness, and misdirection. What don't they want us looking at?
Obama's options were:
A) Either his ideas and presidency were so bad that he personally drove the country to find and elect someone like Trump, or
B) The Russia-fairy hacked the election.
I'm shocked and amazed that he picked B. What's even more amazing is that all of his political appointees also picked B, while the career intelligence officers that work for them all appear to have picked A.
See that "Preview" button?
The US security services are leaving only two interpretations pf events. Either they are lying, or they are utterly incompetent at protecting the US democratic process. In both cases wholesale reform and replacement are the only reasonable course of action.
This entire argument STILL relies on third party unverified and unsourced claims.
Hey, I VOTED for Trump. But there's just no first hand sourced proof that this is at all true. And by god I WANT to know if there is proof. But then again I've wanted proof about what he's doing or has done this entire election cycle. Yet no one seems to be able to show up with ANYTHING that at matches the claims that the media keeps coming up with.
There has been no specific evidence shared publicly to confirm Mr Putin's role or knowledge of the hackings.
So the 'hack' that they are talking about is the theft and release of incriminating emails that made the dems look like fools. Shame on the hackers and let's hold them accountable. It was. It the action of releasing the emails that influenced the elections, it was the content. They have no one to blame but themselves.
MASSIVE HACK = Phishing passwords from election staff. This does not require the technical abilities of an entire nation to pull off. Saying that "because we know how their government works, Putin must of have been directly involved" is incredibly stupid. Guess what, the president knows about everything that goes on in the USA as well because they have briefings. I'm glad the internet exists! Otherwise if some 'respected news source' told me Putin lived in a secret lair under a volcano and was plotting to blow up the planet, I'd probably believe them.
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It's obvious that they post a lot of "in power" propaganda and support pretty much anything that comes out of the White House's media matters. Are things going to switch when Trump gets in and disbands the current propaganda machine or harnesses it for his own use? Or is Slashdot going to follow the globalist machine outlet to wherever it goes after the official controller of the current propaganda mill moves on?
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The Russians didn't:
- Game the DNC system against Bernie
- Keep Clinton from campaigning in the midwest
- Cause Clinton to collapse into a van
- Keep Clinton away from the press for most of the campaign
- Make Clinton call half the country rude names
- Force Clinton to set up a shitty little email server
- Tell Clinton's campaign manager that it's OK to click on "legitimate" phishing emails
Have to agree with Barack when he said, "The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years." My money is still on a (non-Russian) pissed-off Bernie-backer as the real Wikileaks connection - most of the grey+ hats I know were quite #neverclinton.
In other news, both Wikileaks and Putin deny that Russia did any of this.
Who do we believe? And note that the US isn't showing evidence, just like they didn't show evidence for "weapons of mass destruction".
Assange said specifically that it wasn't the Russians who leaked the information, and he's in a position to know the truth and has an unblemished record. (You may disagree with what he does, but you can't legitimately say that any of his information is made up.)
Furthermore, isn't transparency a good thing? To take a random example, isn't Clinton taking $28 million from Morocco exactly the sort of thing that should be investigated by the news and discussed in public?
Or how about the DNC torpedoing Bernie Sanders' campaign. Isn't that something that's important enough to be transparent to the public?
I have to think that this isn't Russia's problem as much as it was Clinton's.
It's sort of like finding out whether the voting machinery is rigged. On the one hand, it embarrasses the country. On the other hand, transparency leads to fixes.
nobody is buying it. The whole "Russia did it" thing is so exaggerated and worn out, and people are sick of it. Just stop.
BeauHD posting more fake news. What a shock! Whipslash, fire this fuckhead already!
but don't mention anything to do with George Soros or middle eastern donations to the Clinton campaign you're playing partisan politics.
If you talk about Russia influencing the elections by releasing harmful Clinton emails but never mention the contents of those emails and what it means, you're playing partisan politics.
If you talk about everything above you're having a rational discussion, but having the typical towing the party line headline like this one you're just showing what side you're on.
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The most interesting thing about it is that no one seems to care outside of the media reporting it.
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Every single vote for Trump was faked by the Russians. Or maybe the tooth fairy. Or maybe the "Hillary's such a terrible candidate that we can't vote for her" compendium of evil.
This is priceless. The DNC email leaks are one of the biggest insights into how deep the corruption runs in American politics. It isn't often that we the people have a really good, clear look into the inner workings of DC. What's interesting is that none of the Democrats have denied the validity of these emails. No, apparently what's important is who leaked them! That's the real crime here. Amazing.
Just amazing. Not only is there written evidence of severe corruption, but the guilty parties take ownership of it by accusing Russia. Has everybody gone completely mad?
Assange denies it, and he's been reliable. Putin will say whatever is to his advantage.
The CIA/FBI may be the source, but we will not know for a while, if ever.
But the Democrats are desperate to retain power. Some believe the Right will punish them, some know how close they are to domination and permanent rule, some merely fear prison.
But they are desperate. Insanely so.
It may get worse.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Assange was on Hannity today, and again, said the leaks did not come from Russia.
Julian Assange Speaks to Hannity, Says That Russian Gov’t Was Not His Source
Today we call it a hack when a 3rd party exposes factually accurate information to the people and then get angry about it.
Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here wondering, "Didn't we used to call that journalism?" /kermit
In all seriousness, it's fun that people seem to be more upset about the "hack" and not the data contained therein. If it were enough to lose the election, doesn't that say more about the data and not it's means of acquisition?
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I'm glad I lived to see the day that the WHITEHOUSE would complain that the KREMLIN had told the truth, and that this was UNACCEPTABLE.
What a year indeed.
Ah come on...
Some DNC operative fell for a common G-Mail Phising attack, gives up his password to some *unknown* hacker, possibly Russian based and his E-mail's start showing up on WikI Leaks and now the Russians are responsible for "hacking the election"? Seriously? I don't know, maybe I'm a bit too partisan here, but you know the DNC would be coming unglued if hacked RNC E-mails showed even a whiff of something like what was reveled.
MAYBE, just maybe, the DNC should take careful stock of what they are saying and doing in private and perhaps clean up their act a bit security wise and stop trying to blame the Russians (as in the country) for the acts of Russian (as in a location) hackers. The two are not necessarily the same thing, though I'm not hearing very many reporters making this distinction clear.
Then there are those who try to imply that the Russians deliberately did this to get Trump elected.... An idea that seems totally without reason to me. Why would they prefer Trump over Hillary? I mean we have an anti war preaching military budget cutting democrat on one side and what ever Trump is on the other. If I'm a Russian leader, I know who I'm going to pick. Perhaps I'm wrong, so does anybody have any reasonable ideas why the Russians would want Trump over Hillary?
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Why is this even on Slashdot? It's a tech site. It should know the most basic information: VOTING MACHINES AREN'T CONNECTED TO THE INTARWEBNETS!
This is like the same old shit from the 80s: Every bad guy and wrong action is Russian trying to threaten democracy!
The only remotely concrete anything I can find on this topic is that the DNC had a bunch of leaks prior to the election. So... transparency in government operations especially on the election of officials, that sounds typically anti-Russian to me. And really, if that's the only argument, then the white house is basically crying "Wahhhh we tried to pull the wool over their eyes but someone had perforated the material and they could see right through into who was and how they were fucking the voter's directly in ass!
Whatever.
Why is this even on Slashdot? It's a tech site. It should know the most basic information: VOTING MACHINES AREN'T CONNECTED TO THE INTARWEBNETS!
This is like the same old shit from the 80s: Every bad guy and wrong action is Russian trying to threaten democracy!
The only remotely concrete anything I can find on this topic is that the DNC had a bunch of leaks prior to the election. So... transparency in government operations especially on the election of officials, that sounds typically anti-Russian to me. And really, if that's the only argument, then the white house is basically crying "Wahhhh we tried to pull the wool over their eyes but someone had perforated the material and they could see right through into who was and how they were fucking the voter's directly in ass!
Whatever.
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Peeing in the pool with their garbage news stories again.
This agitprop is hilarious to any discerning person.
Yep... and then the White House press secretary slipped up and blamed China instead of Russia too....
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But I like Judge Napolitano's commentary:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...
I would call dissemination of the DNC and Podesta emails by journalists an extreme exercise of the 1st amendment rights.
I think what will be funny is that at some point Putin will be sorry that he supported Trump, for Trump will not be subtle and will not be dancing to Putin's wishes.
Before the election, Trump was screaming that the process was rigged. Obama ripped him for it and demanded to see proof.
After the election, Obama is screaming that the process was rigged, and nobody is demanding to see proof.
If the election really was rigged by a foreign power, where was the White House before the election? Why didn't they take steps to stop it, up to and including drastic measures? After all, it was to stop a second Hitler. Why not pull out all the stops?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
He[Putin] publicly accused her[Clinton] of encouraging street protests.
Considering the street protests after she lost, this seems to be the most accurate part of the article.
How dumb does the US administration think its people are? Will they believe this rubbish? Does Obama not understand that EVERYONE KNOWS that he and the CIA started the Syrian war...
The White House, the CIA and the NSA cannot be trusted. What a joke the USA has become. Land of the Free, Home of the Stupid.
Good luck to my fellow Americans... your going to need it.
#hillaryforprison2017
What he actually said is it wasn't done by a state actor. That doesn't mean there aren't individuals acting via proxy for a state. And to be clear I am not saying it was, only that words matter.
So 2 months after the hack and suddenly they find evidence that it was the Russians?
Bullshit
The intelligence agencies are REFUSING to testify to Congress about this "leaked" information. Testimony that may leave them in legal trouble if they purger themselves during that testimony. Thats right, the executive branch is once again REFUSING to answer to the people about something they are claiming.
Until the intelligence agencies testify to the people, in front of Congress, under oath and give specific information showing Russia did hack the election, it is fake news.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Could it possibly be that the submissions just happen to come from that side? All slashdot does is accept submissions. The conservatives just threw up their hands and abandoned the battle generations ago. If they can't be bothered to care enough to fight for their beliefs in the arena of public opinion molding, then it's only natural that societal direction all the way from homeowners' associations and public schools, through universities, all of the information media, up to the top of the national structure, is well and truly saturated with globalists.
People who self-identify as conservatives are only good in the echo chamber of reinforcing each other. They are absolutely ineffective at effectively arguing substance with their opponents. There is something cuck about their heart and soul. I am convinced the seeds of selfishness, moral weakness, and lack of commitment are inherent in conservatism as we know it.
I'm so tired of hearing about the evil DNC "torpedoing Bernie Sanders' campaign" and such nonsense. Why on earth was anyone surprised a political party had a candidate they favored?
Because members thought that their vote would determine the favored candidate.
Furthermore, nothing the DNC did was anywhere near enough to sink Bernie.
Early in the year Bernie got more donations than Clinton by $60 mil (Bernie) to $20 mil (Clinton). The DNC moved $60 million from down-ballot elections directly into Clinton's campaign so that Clinton could outspend Bernie.
It's well known that money spent directly translates to votes, and Bernie and Clinton got [primary[ popular votes proportional to their campaign spending, so it would appear that the $60 million influx of money *exactly* torpedord Bernie's campaign.
Incidentally, this is why the democrats lost both houses and a lot of the governorships. By taking that money away from down-ballot elections and giving it to Clinton, you got a candidate who was less likely to beat Trump and hobbled all the other campaigns for money.
Russia's influence on the recent U.S. Presidential contest further legitimized the electoral outcome. Because Russia is a potent adversary, confronting it during the campaign as a candidate made the electoral competition a better test, one more representative of the winner's subsequent and challenging work in international relations. Hillary Clinton failed that test abysmally by surrounded herself with incompetent sycophants who fell for the stupidest of phishing scams, by her having engaged in such scandalous conduct for so many years that the leaks were significantly damaging, and by relying on such a thin veil of secrecy to conceal her dishonesty; Information wants to be free and those million-dollar speeches to Wall Street bankers were getting out one way or another.
It is backwards to assert that her evident ineptitude in protecting herself from the hacking and leaks which exposed her corruption recommends her for the office of U.S. President. On the contrary, getting owned by Russia in a presidential campaign is a good indication that the United States would have lost big to Russia in any subsequent foreign relations dispute with her as President.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
we are getting kinda desperate. Trump's pick for Secretary of Treasury is literally a guy who preyed on elderly widows. His pick for Dept of Energy said the department should be closed. His pick for Education wants to end public education. These aren't exaggerations. These are things these people are on record as saying.
So far Trump's entire administration are either the worst dreks from the swamp or his incompetent buddies. Our Government, contrary to what you might believe, actually does thing for people. Good things. Like education, disaster relief, granting access to life saving health care. Barring a miracle in the electoral college we're about to hand the difficult task of governing over to people who either don't think it's possible or see it as an opportunity to enrich themselves at everyone's expense.
If you're not kinda desperate right now then you're just not paying attention. As the old saying goes, reality has a liberal bias.
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Maybe for good reason, but I'd still take anything he says with a whole block's worth of salt.
As for us Dems, we're not expecting punishment. The rich one's don't fear prison because in America we don't spill the blood of kings and the poor ones know we're too poor to matter. What we _are_ expecting is the new administration to completely cock up the country and economy. And we've got plenty of reasons for it too with Trump's cabinet picks.
Seriously, as a democratic socialist (who's party won the election by popular vote by at least a 2.5% margin) I feel like I'm one of the only sane men in a land of lunatics. Jesus people, put your personal dislike of Hilary Clinton aside for a bit and actually _look_ at what you've done. Look at what Trump is actually _doing_. It's not hard. Google's right there for you. Come one already.
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More bullshit from the mouths that lie the most.
I wasted all my 15 mod points on partisan crap because clearly the opposite partisans had already done the same and I wanted to even it out. This combative political environment is a tough test of the moderating system here.
Putin "directed" the attack the same way that Obama is "directing" the drone war.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
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Actually, it's more like the Pentagon Papers, which as you might remember were stolen, though they disputed the charge based on him not using them for personal gain and eventually got the charges thrown out due to illegal acts by the prosecution.
Even if we assume the DNC leak was a Russian hack despite the fact that most of the evidence boils down to what can be paraphrased as "trust our anonymous sources, they've got this, it's totally not like that time with the WMDs where we helped cause a war over nothing," the harm from these leaks were the revelations that peoples' votes for Bernie didn't matter and the media will print whatever the DNC tells them to, followed by the media carefully avoiding any actual reporting on the leaks. You saw this on Slashdot where they ignored the important, meaty submissions and posted fluffy crap like the "food groups" of VP candidates (they were sorted by race & sex, with Bernie off by himself in the special group), never mind that we had other leaks showing Tim Kaine was always going to be the VP pick in a quid pro quo arrangement and the entire exercise was a farce where they went through a dance to make it look legitimate.
I mean, just look at how pathetic the media has become:
“Because I have become a hack I will send u the whole section that pertains to u Please don’t share or tell anyone I did this Tell me if I f**ked up anything,”
- Politico reporter Glenn Thrush via the Podesta dump
Do you really expect journalism when we have pathetic hacks like this doing our reporting? I do more actual journalism than this and I have a real job and write comments whenever I'm bored or can't sleep.
...here's the most likely answer...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
When you run an operation so corrupt and dirty that it pisses off your own people, you get outed...
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Look, you're not cleared.
It did happen. It was Putin. No, we're not going to "prove" it to you - which would expose the toolsets, methods, individuals, etc.
Just because your life is filled with fake news doesn't mean Russia didn't intentionally subvert US elections.
They're not your friends.
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I see a lot comments expressing distrust in the political system. However, I think that it is mostly naive and misses the point. The point is there is enough circumstantial evidence. Exhibit A. Wikileaks were provided emails from multiple sources in the DNC. They hacked the RNC but that was not released. Exhibit B. Multiple US agencies linked it to hackers groups associated with thee Russian government. Exhibit C: Trump on multiple occasions refused to take a hard line against Russia even though it was usual Republican position. The real question is not whether Russia interfered with the US presidential election. It is what the will require the new US President to do for handing him the White House. Willful blindness will drive this country into the ground.
This would seem to be proof that Russia had nothing to do with it.
And doesnt realize it
I've always found it curious, when someone makes a very precise statement with very specific scope, how that gets broadened as it's interpreted and repeated into something that hugely exceeds the original statement.
Original statement: "Our source is not the Russian government".
Now, let's consider just some of the things that are not included, or implied, by that statement:
1. He does not say: "Our source did not get their materials from the Russian government"
2. Nor: "Our source was not employed by an agency subcontracted to the Russian government."
3. Nor even: "We know exactly who our source was and how they got the information, and we've verified their story so we're in a position to be definitive about this."
The actual quote, much like all the quotes from the emails themselves, does not say what you're pretending it says. It does not say "it wasn't Russia". Seriously: how would he even know that?
Honestly, Obama has never been a truly presidential character, for me, and I voted for the guy twice.
From Obama's taking sides in the Trayvon Martin mess ( a president has no business getting involved in such things )
to spending millions of taxpayers' dollars to assist the Clinton campaign, Obama has a long history of inappropriate behavior.
I now detest Obama more than I detested Shrub, and that's a direct result of Obama's behavior while in office. So much for
all that bullshit about "hope and change". At this point, there's not much hope, nor has there been much constructive change.
Obama is a bum, and he betrayed his most ardent supporters, many of whom are too clueless to even realize it.
man, that guy sounds dangerous, in times like these we really need batman, batman has no jurisdiction, hell find him and make him squeal
FFS the WMD was 100% Cheney stovepipe to fit his predetermined actions. That is known, so stop regurgitating false comparisons. The CIA went out of their way to cast doubt on the "intelligence" that curveball'Ed the US into Iraq.
Why does the supposed 'mainstream media' keep reporting the same FAKE news over & over again?
IF they have 'evidence that Mr. Putin personally directed...' than fuckin' produce this evidence! Show it to the world. And using 'unnamed sources' is not evidence and is not reliable. Enough already. This "we can't show you what we know but we can use it to point fingers' bullshit has to stop THAT is what is causing far more issues than any actual misdeed done by some government, or hackers who happened to be citizens of said country or paid by said country or just fuckin' around for the sake of it.
lets have the paid trolls from the right argue with the paid trolls on the left! im sure we'll get a meaningful conversation out of it.
I mean for the past 8 years the POTUS and Ms Clinton have been sucking Putin's dick. Putin does not respect the USA. President Obama had 8 years to do something about it. He did nothing. The fact that President Putin would want medal in the affairs of the USA is not surprising. What is surprising is that the acting president of the USA would do nothing about it.
President Obama all of a sudden caring about the sovereignty of the USA is pathetic. Maybe the democrats can go the UN and ask them to petition mean old Russia and China to stop being mean such meanies.
Note: I am did not vote for Trump and do not like President Putin, but you have to have you head in the sand not to realize Putin is a better leader than Obama and I wish to God it were not so.
And you aren't concerned that a foreign country directly altered the outcome of an election here?
Yes but my concern was earlier in the year when Obama tried to influence the Brexit referendum and look how that backfired for everyone. If you don't like foreign countries influencing your election perhaps you should start by not trying to influence other country's votes?
I love how instead of focusing on how corrupt their leadership was, and how that corruption ultimately resulted in a much weaker candidate and cost them the election, they blame outside entities for their own failures.
The contents of those hacks, passed to Wikileaks and posted online, were embarrassing to the Democrats
More embarrassing for both sides is the candidates they had!
> FFS the WMD was 100% Cheney stovepipe to fit his predetermined actions.
So, kinda like this?
Source email from 2015-12-21 12:09
> The CIA went out of their way to cast doubt on the "intelligence" that curveball'Ed the US into Iraq.
So, something like the FBI is doing now?
Source
I bet someone is going to blame him for quietly informing Congress of his actions right before the election, but remember this is the same guy who refused to recommend prosecution of Hillary even after this hearing. Feel free to watch the full hearing if you prefer.
Well, apparently telling the truth is interfering with US elections [...]
And what about the truth about the GOP? Given how unpopular Trump is/was with the party establishment, I'd be interesting to see what they said about him.
How about some equal time on that side of things? What's goose is good for the gander after all.
Hannity. Highly reliable. Google "Hannity Snowden".
... but it's almost certainly not Putin. If he really hacked Hillary's servers then he would own tons of emails which he could use to black-mail and make Hillary do his bidding.
The New York Times published some of the details of these hacks a few days ago, claiming a Russian gang, which the FBI referred to as the "Dukes", was responsible for phishing John Podesta's email password, and other hacks. Apparently Obama and the Democrats knew all about these attacks in 2015, but did nothing at the time stop or publicize the attacks. (Proof to me that they really didn't know who was behind these attacks)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?_r=0
But that moniker ("Dukes") actually is a reference to Duqu, a powerful exploit uncovered in 2011 by Kaspersky Lab in Moscow, bearing resemblance to Stuxnet (which was likely crafted by Israel/UK/US). In fact, back in 2015, the Duqu gang attacked the Kaspersky Lab it self, which a powerful new toolkit which Kaspersky called Duqu 2.0.
https://www.wired.com/2015/06/kaspersky-finds-new-nation-state-attack-network/
So, assuming for the sake of argument that the attacks were indeed an attempt to influence the US elections, it is clear that Israel would have more to gain (vis-a-vis Iran deals etc) by having the Trumpster in the White House.
Just saying.
Here's the quote:
"To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it." (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/)
>>> Trump (said) worse things
What's worse than being called a "racist"?
Saying that you're okay with torture (i.e. waterboarding)? Kill innocent people (the families of "terrorists"):
* http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/
* http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-defends-killing-innocent-people-gop-debate-158920/
Comey said that Brennan takes his orders directly from Obama. Lest us not forget, the CIA was caught spying on their own senate oversight committee.
What did those old pushrod Republicans do, about 6K RPM?
This ongoing effort by the whole NeoCon establishment to keep a war going at all costs is kind of transparent in observation but harder to rationalize in sanity.
Seems their protocols are broken then.
Maybe big pharma doesn't pay off Obama and Clinton without a continuance of the contract?
Or maybe is is something else? Maybe Obama was counting on a get out jail free card which now isn't likely to be given him?
I dunno. Hate to be grasping at this but there is just something SO disturbing at the transparently amateurish attempt to disturb the orderly transfer to power in this case. I'd say it was kind of a banana-republic thing and kind of laughable if I wasn't in the country. What - exactly - are the Dems grasping and gasping about. And what do they think they are really going to get if they do somehow overturn the election?
Pimping the neo.Trotsy line - - damn how jewboi is that - - Can't expect better from a poodle.paid sand.niggar.
or gtfo and stfu.
Lest ye contribute to the whole " Fake News " crisis the administration is currently all hot and bothered about.
Remember, fake news is bad unless it's supporting your team :|
That the DNS for the domain serving the Malware and servers were located in France and owned by a resident of France. Working in IT security for nearly 3 decades this leads me to believe that the hack was done internally. If Russia was to have served the malware the DNS and web servers would have been in the US, because they have literally hundreds of thousands of servers already compromised ready to serve malware. US people would be smart enough not to use US servers because it would be obvious that it was a US hack.
Historical trends provide my bias, and like you said we have seen no (zero, zip, nada) evidence to show any Russian involvement. Consider also that an Ambassador from the UK just said he was handed the same evidence by a DNC person fed up with the DNC.
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IT Idiot for Podesta clicked on the fake email notice that Google thinks your account is compromised so log in here and change your password.... and went to a site that WASN'T GOOGLE. Who can be that stupid? Anyone could have set that thing up. I expect that if it was Russia - they would be a little more complex. There is ZERO evidence that the actual server penetration was done from a Russian IP address... again, as though that means anything. Compromise one PC in Russia and work through it to change the trial... Simple stuff.
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"It was a VAST RIGHTWING RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY!"
"It was a VAST RIGHTWING RUSSIAN ALIEN CONSPIRACY!"
It's what's IN the emails that sunk her. Did Russia put that proof of corruption there as well? Isn't it more important what was revealed, than the fact that no one outside of Wikileaks KNOWS who revealed it?
And Hillary already allowed the sale 20% of our Uranium to Russia, and got millions in donations int he bargain. Like they care between the crook and the jerk.
the American voter was given more info than they normally receive before an election. That is a good thing.
The Russians didn't: - Game the DNC system against Bernie - Keep Clinton from campaigning in the midwest - Cause Clinton to collapse into a van - Keep Clinton away from the press for most of the campaign - Make Clinton call half the country rude names - Force Clinton to set up a shitty little email server - Tell Clinton's campaign manager that it's OK to click on "legitimate" phishing emails Have to agree with Barack when he said, "The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years." My money is still on a (non-Russian) pissed-off Bernie-backer as the real Wikileaks connection - most of the grey+ hats I know were quite #neverclinton.
You're right on re: the last quote. It's great to just play it back to him. And also, Assange denies that the Russians were his source, but even assuming it for a moment, nobody denied any of the things exposed in Wikileaks. They were just pissed that they got caught, and all the things that both Bernie and Trump 'conspiracy theorists' were peddling turned out to be true
It would be 1/4th, not 1/8th. Half the country supported Trump - by the time she made that statement, almost the entire GOP had consolidated behind him, and the Never-Trumpers hardly had much going. Also, her comment had nothing to do about the eligibility of Trump voters or whether they ultimately turned out to vote, since her comment was made before the election, when all they were doing was attending his rallies whenever it was anywhere near where they live
There is probably no important dirt on RNC hacks because your average Republican isn't very computer literate in the first place and the ones that are, are too smart and paranoid Linux users to post everything online. You know...having common sense? Damn millenials just don't get it. Hell, about a decade ago, a pole shown that most country music listeners still had dial-up. If Russians want to "hack" a Republican, they gotta knock.
You can keep your doctor.
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Libya uprising was cause by a YouTube video.
This list will be way too long. You know the stories. We've all heard them. Unfortunately.
Stupid fuckface as nimnull coterie of mouth breathers seem determined to try and cause as much damage as they can before they get their asses kicked to the curb.
Fucking children...The lot of them.
Sour grapes that RNC won and DNC LOST. Gtfover it already.
No evidence. Another fake news 'story' from the discredited US media.
The liberal "journalists" are mad, insanely so. They are also lazy, insanely so. Otherwise they might try to do some actual journalism instead of just parroting the party line, which nobody buys anymore. They keep trying to make up some convenient fiction to steal the thunder from Trump, only to have him demolish them with a quick tweet and reset the day's news to his agenda. Expect to see even more outlandish drivel over time. The MSM is arming up by hiring the hack who let Hillary's drones edit his articles for him, and soon will be enlisting an army of fake news clickbaiters if someone would only send them their names 'cause they are too lazy to look them up. To win his bid for President after losing to John Adams, Thomas Jefferson bought up hundreds of newspapers and turned them into his party propaganda machine. Hack newspaper journalism has been a money-losing institution pretty much since then, with a few exceptions. Watch the DNC machine try to do the same with websites. Could be a lucrative ploy for the site owners in the short term, until it's obvious that it's not working. At least while there are still a few actual journalists out there.
I'm finally seeing some media questioning this CIA nonsense as well, citing many, many examples from their own tortured history as well as more recent facts.
This story is clearly planted and I, for one, do not for a moment believe these media shills or their anonymous sources nor can I give them even a shred of credibility. They could, would, and in fact have been the cheerleaders for any number of ill-advised wars, so anyone trying to reheat the Cold War based on anonymous rumors is going to be considered a warmongering shill for that very reason.
And that's ignoring those self-admitted "hacks" like Glenn Thrush who are proven shills. I mean, funny coincidence that, just look at what this "hack" is peddling:
So, Glenn, you say that Russia won this for Trump by revealing that you're a self-described hack? Please do go on...
Are you going to then explain how Russia made Donna Brazille rig the debates? Or lie about them being altered, despite the fact that we have DKIM validation to provide cryptographic non-repudiation of the message body? Or were they responsible for all the many ways the Democratic primary was a farce? Did Russia make them adopt the "pied piper" strategy to promote Trump, believing he would lose to Hillary? Did Russia keep them from holding campaign events in their "firewall" states and ignoring their own staffers? Maybe Russia planted that fake news CNN reported about it being illegal to read Wikileaks (lest one find their involvement in the aforementioned debate rigging...). Maybe next time they'll be smarter and simply publish the debate questions for everyone? Did Russia cause Hillary to collapse in the street and get thrown into a van after all that insistence that her health was just fine? Did Russia do the "bird dogging" wherein you staged violence at the Trump rallies and blamed Bernie's supporters for it? Did they hack the FEC to put the operatives on the MoveOn payroll (something my past comments have covered in significant detail)? Did Russia make Zulema tell that tale to the cops outside the Arizona rally that we have plenty of independent, video coverage for? Did Russia give Zulema credits on those "Trump Ducks" photos that only further corroborate O'Keefe's videos? Did Russia funnel all of the money from the state campaigns to Hillary's campaign to make the losses even more painful when she managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory?
There's a reason the DNC is fighting this so hard in so many ways. This is a fight for their own survival. By all rights, their leadership should be entirely replaced.... which makes me wonder if there are any actual plans out there to do that. We seem to live in interesting times.
There's one scenario that's in fact possible, but would also be very damaging to the DNC itself. Namely, we've all seen e-mails originating from Soros circles claiming that Hillary "is a done deal", indicating that all is being done in such way that Hillary would win, no matter real votes. Or as Stalin once said, it doesn't matter who and how he votes, but he who counts votes matter. Having so-called "Soros voting machines" installed throuout USA one could imagine that "Hillary is a done deal" may also mean that "Soros machines" were modifed, or in fact programmed (hacked?!) in such way to give desired result. In this case, votes for Hillary. If what's written above is true than only help to make things right would be either to expose DNC-Hillary-Soros conspiracy (very unlikely, as bought MSM would minimise it and start calling that it's just "conspiracy theory", etc.. Elections would go forward, Hillary would "win" and Trump would be unter tremendeaous pressure to "accept the results") OR to "unhack" said Soros voting machines. Enters Russians. If they indeed helped facilitate second scenario, to in fact un-hack Soros voting machines, so that they would calculate election results according to the choice selected by the voter (and not by any other method that would erase voter's will) then it would mean that DNC/Hillary/Obama (and finally CIA) couldn't really say that Russians hacked elections, but rather, they defended US democracy by preventing vote-faud on election day.
That is ALL you need to know. Funny how the mainstream media never showed us the size of Trump's rallies, isn't it... Funny how they refused to pan the cameras around, even though Trump called them on it in almost every rally he gave. It's almost as if they didn't want the public to see that he had MUCH more support than Clinton did. And now they mainstream media is laughably trying to make out that somehow Russia was involved in 'stealing' the election.
and it becomes the truth. Cold War 2.0?
With a huge history of interference in the political and electoral life of other countries, if this story is true, you americans are drinking the same poison you have made others drink....
Show the evidence.
And the DNC is butt-hurt that one of their own strayed from the flock to release embarrassing information.
How can a third-world country, under U.S. sanctions, full of vodka-drunken peasants, so easily hack the most powerful, strongest and mightiest nation on Earth? Answers are two: either Russian magics and black spells, or too much pricky pompous hubris at CIA's HQ and the White Hut.
What amazes me is the hypocrisy of the Obama administration. They are mad that the Russians interfered with the US elections when the current administration actively campaigned against Netanyahu in the last Israeli election interfering with their sovereign state's internal workings. In fact Obama said he will take action against the Russians. He had better worry about the Mossad doing the same to him. Obama sent people on the ground in Israel to actively campaign and support Netanyahu's opponent. We need to clean up our own house first before we go taking action against anybody. How is our credibility doing these days? I don't understand the US military's vulnerability either. I understand the system hacked at the pentagon wasn't a highly secure part of the system, but cyber security ought to be better than that here. Pogo was right, "We have met the enemy and they are us!"
What the problem is is not that the Russians hacked our systems, rather it is the CONTENT of the crap that was revealed about the Democratic party. I presume such noxious dealings also occur within the Republican party.
Americans need to know just how corrupt these people are.
Thank you Mr Putin for helping to show how ugly my country is. Now it is up to Us, the people, to vote out every god damn incumbent until the parties start behaving like they exist for the country, not the other way around.
Remember when we asked the proof that Saddam got WMD remember when we were told that this was top secret and what not and it turned to be bull ? Well now you will get the same answer. That is why partisan politic with a duopoly of party is the worst thing which can happen in a democracy.
I thought we already determined it was a slashdot user working directly in Hillary's campaign and maintaining her exchange server.
Putin accused of sharing facts with the world. Voters need not worry, as zero evidence of voting fraud found.
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So it's perfectly ok for the Americans to spy on leaders of everyone from friendly countries(a merkels phone) to Iran,it's ok for Americans to interfere in half the worlds politics for 50 years,everything from starting tumours up to invading others countries,but as soon as someone does it back to America,suddenly it's not ok..
Clinton would have lost anyway,basically because she is a horrible person,has been caught lieing on countless occasions(airport snipeing tale) etc,many voters considered her to be the worst of two evils.
No real proof has been shown that any outside body interfered,with the known and suspected history of Americans and American agencies,there is as much chance that all the hacks were actually controlled by Americans,just because a group in Russia is suspected to be involved,does not mean it was u Der the direction of Russian government..
Not sure what to think here. Okay, so hacking them is bad, sure, but the info that it leaked needed to be leaked to show that there was problems. Also, this kind of info needs to be released from both Dems and Reps, so targeting one and not the other is bad, but hacking anyone is also bad..... hmm.
How about we mandate more transparency in our government while also beefing up security? I guess that's never going to happen.
It's hilarious that you appear to be citing the DailyMail as a serious news source, and not in an ironic or sarcastic way.
The DM is not proof of anything other than its readers' gullibility
If the DNC didn't have anything to hide they would have nothing to worry about. Isn't that what they tell use low level citizens?
I trust Russia MORE than I trust the DNC. I've said this before. Fuck Obama and his administration.
Let the past 8 years be the low point of recent US history from which is start improving again.
If Russia helped Trump win, whether directly or indirectly by educating Americans, via leaks, about the crimes of the DNC... then GOOD. Thank you Vlad.
We expect Obama, the "intelligence" community, the glitterati and everyone else pretending to care to go back to not caring who hacks the US on Tuesday. Tuesday nights are sushi nights, so we go out then. - Al Roker
Even if concrete evidence does surface which is a big if, if you're upset about Hillary emails being leaked and not the contents of them, you may want to reevaluate your moral compass. Just saying...
... to see Obama still supporting Hillary, especially so openly and blatantly. Or, is he motivated more out of desire to protect the reputation of the Democratic Party after their disastrous showing this year?
Either way, it's backfiring. It just makes him look like even more of an inept weakling (as in, why didn't he take action to prevent Russian meddling before the election) and Hillary like even more of a whiny, entitled brat (as in, maybe she should use this defeat as a learning opportunity and reflect on the real reasons she lost instead of trying to find a scapegoat to hang her failure on).
First, Russia did not "hack the election". The White House and CIA are pointing to the same information about the DNC and other's E-Mails and other information being hacked and released.
There has been NO evidence nor has any agency suggested that there has been ANY interference with VOTING!!!!! So DO NOT CLAIM that the ELECTION was hacked when the hacks only exposed the corruption of the DNC, Mrs. Clinton and her family.
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See twisting words is easy no wonder Native Americans call English "Lier's Tongue"
You can trust your government ask any Indian.
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Enough of your terrible arguing. You are clearly using a form of Appeal to Authority when processing information from Assange. You are saying he is right because he has always been right so you have no reason to think he is not right this time. You keep thinking that.
Actually, the word you're looking for is "leak", not "hack".
"Leak". As in, a dirty secret is revealed to the world.
They (whoever "they" are) obtained information without permission and revealed it to voters.
If that's an effective way of potentially changing the outcome of an election, what's the problem?
I mean, doesn't acquiring more information turn a "low information voter" into a "high information voter", and isn't that supposed to be a good thing?
Sure, when it's embarrassing information for about candidate, golly, what a bummer for that candidate, and those who are relying on that candidate getting elected.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.