The entire implication of this idiotic propoganda push is that women are being intentionally and forcibly excluded from given industries for no reason besides having to use different bathrooms.
I'm beyond tired of people dancing around the issue and implying stupid bullshit but never actually directly defending anything.
It is this endless war of nudging and nodding and winks. Fuck that.
If women are better then they're different. Which means there are differences.
If women are being excluded from an industry where anyone can pick up a coding book and make a mobile game in their bathrobe... then men must be so fucking all powerful that there's no point even arguing about this issue. Just bow down before our godlike powers.
The reality is that women have chosen NOT to be in this field... statistically. And as to why they have chosen not to do that... sexism is the least credible answer.
The people that keep bringing this shit up need to have their rights to cite statistics revoked. They don't know how statistics work or how to read them. They don't know what methodology is and they don't know what correlation is and they certainly do not know what causation is either.
So can we stop with the stupid statistics promoted by halfwits?
You'll also notice that there are more women in the sciences in Iran then in the US.
Which means by your augment, Iran is a less sexist country then the US.
Or there is something else going on.
Such as "economic opportunity?"... in very poor countries women know that the science jobs will put food on the table. So they do them. In the US, they know they can put food on the table in other ways so they drop out and do something else.
It isn't social pressure. It is economic pressure. Or I should say the lack of economic pressure in the US. And that means what they're really doing is choosing what THEY want to actually do.
Now if we trash the US economy hard enough then you'll get your wish. Women will compete harder in those fields because they'll be more reliable wage providers then what they'd otherwise like to do.
One of the reasons women stay out of gaming is that it is not a profitable profession. You work very hard, work very long hours, suffer social isolation, and at the end of it you can get paid very poorly.
Women stay away from jobs like if they do not enjoy the job. Just as men stay away from jobs women tend to do is the money isn't right.
Pay men enough though, and they'll do anything women tend to dominate even if they don't enjoy themselves.
You can't simply say "if women don't do this then misogyny!"
No one is stopping them from doing it. How many men have built companies out of their garages with approval from no one?
If the girls aren't doing it, they have no one to blame but themselves.
They've run out of people to point fingers at. There is a higher percentage of female scientists in Iran then in the US.
Which of our two countries is more sexist. If sexism is the problem then Iranian women would be less likely to be scientists.
At some point, the women are going to have to take responsibility for choosing not to do some things. And having made that choice, leave the men alone that are willing to do it.
Friend, will you claim that women develop social skills earlier and to a greater extent then their male counter parts?
Will you claim that they have certain advantages over males at given portions of their education?
The instant you say yes and this is something feminists will say very freely... including in this article... "WOMEN ARE BETTER"...
Well, allow me to use the kryptonite of all sophists... Facts and logic.
IF women are superior at anything they are also DIFFERENT. Difference is required for superiority. It is in fact a further qualifier on difference.
Aspect is different in the direction of superiority.
No?
Which means this very article you are defending is contradicting you. If women are different from men then men are different from women. The logic is inescapable.
The only way you can hold your position is by denouncing this article as flawed.
Adventure games are no more FPS with elves then are books all about ANYTHING.
Adventure games can be about anything. If you were a gamer, and you're clearly completely ignorant of the medium, then you'd know adventure games can be about literally anything.
Are there some very tired AAA franchises? Same thing with super hero movies. It does not mean that all movies are about comic books. The only people that would say that are people that know nothing about movies.
You're referencing some games without any writing in them in response to a study about women being better story tellers. Just saying.
You know what, you convinced me... only reason women are not being represented in a meritorious industry with a very low bar to entry is a shadowy cabal of bigoted men.
Whether or a myth or not, it doesn't matter because the advantage is very temporary.
The boys catch up rapidly.
How can people think men are inferior when we have this enormous history of men doing brilliant things? Seriously... people that take that posture need to read a book or go to a museum.
pretty much exactly. They've so over saturated the market with these stupid articles that they've come out of solution. It is just piling up on the bottom of the beaker now.
If you're saying a male toddler prefers to chew on toy trucks while a female toddler prefers to chew on dollies because of socialization... then you've created an orthodoxy that cannot be falsified.
This is officially your belief system. And that's fine. I won't challenge your belief system so long as you acknowledge it as such. By all means, have little meetings with your buddies at your local temple or whatever and take off a few random days of the year to observe... whatever. But your claims on science if you start pulling this crap are nil.
Wrong, this has been established in many studies on small children as young as toddlers... there are distinct tendencies between the sexes.
You cannot tell me a toddler has be socialized to desire given things based on sex. And yet in those studies, such children were shown to prefer given toys largely on sexual grounds.
I grant that the nurture component is very strong. However, what you are saying is that nature doesn't exist at all. Which is unsupportable.
We are a sexually dimorphic species. This has been proven to be so both in our external traits and in our neurology.
Do you want to bet a neurologist can't tell a male brain from a female brain? Obviously they could. And how? The structure is different.
I thought everyone knew this? Aren't we being told all the time about how "girls are better at this" or "women are better at this"... well, assuming they are, that means male and female brains are different. Which means unless you're going with a female supremacist platform... that women are probably not as good at some things men do.
The logic is fucking inescapable. It isn't politically correct... but then I'm a human being and not a fucking computer. So I don't especially care what the PC fucktards deem doubleplusungood.
Girls have developed faster then boys at that age since always. It is a well known trait.
However, the boys catch up and then the advantage vanishes.
Games are not programmed or developed by 12 year olds. They're mostly developed by people between the ages of 25 and 45. An age bracket which is well beyond the critical age range you're talking about.
What is more, you can see in the colleges that even with women out numbering men in the colleges... the programming, mathematics, etc courses are mostly men. And amongst the hard programming and math courses... 99.999999 percent men.
Now am I saying women can't do this work? No. I am rather saying they don't want to do it. They sit down in the programming classes, notice it is not fun for them, and leave.
citation? The only female writers in games I can name off the top of my head... were the writers of the games: King's Quest and the Longest Journey.
King's quest first off was not well written. It was fun but the stories were predictable and very derivative.
The Longest Journey was good but you have to remember it was competing in the Adventure Game category which are very much about their stories.
Now... now is the longest journey the BEST adventure game ever? It is all a matter of opinion, but I'd point at the Lucas Arts games first. And unless I'm mistaken that is 100 percent dick.
Don't get me wrong, I want women to do these things and I think they're just as able as the guys. THAT SAID, we've been bombarded by a bunch of stupid studies and propoganda lately saying women are oppressed or would be suprerior in this or that.
And never mind that the real issue is that women DO NOT WANT to be in game design. It isn't their career aspiration. How many boys when asked what they want to do will tell you "make games"... so many. How many girls? Practically none. And before you give me some presto intellectual argument about how they're just conditioned to not want to do these things... Wrong. Women and men gravitate to certain career paths. Women choose NOT to sit for hours in front of computers learning to code.
Game design is not an especially rewarding career from a financial perspective. Women tend to do things that are fun for them or make them a lot of money. This holds true for men as well. The difference is that what is fun for men is not what is fun for women.
Lots of guys can sit and code for hours all by themselves and have a great time doing it. They can walk away from it exhausted with a smile on their faces feeling like they accomplished something. Very few women have that reaction. I'm not saying that holds true for all women or that it should be that way... I am saying that for most women that is how it is.
This gap is only present temporarily. Boys catch up quickly in this area.
Do we really want to do Male authors VS Female authors match up? Men are at least as good as women at writing. Note... MEN and WOMEN. Girls are probably better then boys. But it doesn't last.
Trust me, it gets every bit as cold in the US. US is a big place. Parts of it get a great deal colder then anything you'll see in western europe. Just saying.
As to remote start, there are ways to do it that don't present a security risk.
1. Isolate the system. 2. Make it so it does nothing if the car is already on. 3. Make a distinction between starting the engine with the remote start and authorizing driving. If what you want is to warm the car up then you don't need to unlock the steering wheel. 4. Consider multi factor authentication such as a password or pin code to do certain things.
The more you computerize the car the more this sort of thing will be important.
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The entire implication of this idiotic propoganda push is that women are being intentionally and forcibly excluded from given industries for no reason besides having to use different bathrooms.
I'm beyond tired of people dancing around the issue and implying stupid bullshit but never actually directly defending anything.
It is this endless war of nudging and nodding and winks. Fuck that.
If women are better then they're different. Which means there are differences.
If women are being excluded from an industry where anyone can pick up a coding book and make a mobile game in their bathrobe... then men must be so fucking all powerful that there's no point even arguing about this issue. Just bow down before our godlike powers.
The reality is that women have chosen NOT to be in this field... statistically. And as to why they have chosen not to do that... sexism is the least credible answer.
The people that keep bringing this shit up need to have their rights to cite statistics revoked. They don't know how statistics work or how to read them. They don't know what methodology is and they don't know what correlation is and they certainly do not know what causation is either.
So can we stop with the stupid statistics promoted by halfwits?
Thanks.
You'll also notice that there are more women in the sciences in Iran then in the US.
Which means by your augment, Iran is a less sexist country then the US.
Or there is something else going on.
Such as "economic opportunity?"... in very poor countries women know that the science jobs will put food on the table. So they do them. In the US, they know they can put food on the table in other ways so they drop out and do something else.
It isn't social pressure. It is economic pressure. Or I should say the lack of economic pressure in the US. And that means what they're really doing is choosing what THEY want to actually do.
Now if we trash the US economy hard enough then you'll get your wish. Women will compete harder in those fields because they'll be more reliable wage providers then what they'd otherwise like to do.
One of the reasons women stay out of gaming is that it is not a profitable profession. You work very hard, work very long hours, suffer social isolation, and at the end of it you can get paid very poorly.
Women stay away from jobs like if they do not enjoy the job. Just as men stay away from jobs women tend to do is the money isn't right.
Pay men enough though, and they'll do anything women tend to dominate even if they don't enjoy themselves.
You can't simply say "if women don't do this then misogyny!"
No one is stopping them from doing it. How many men have built companies out of their garages with approval from no one?
If the girls aren't doing it, they have no one to blame but themselves.
They've run out of people to point fingers at. There is a higher percentage of female scientists in Iran then in the US.
Which of our two countries is more sexist. If sexism is the problem then Iranian women would be less likely to be scientists.
At some point, the women are going to have to take responsibility for choosing not to do some things. And having made that choice, leave the men alone that are willing to do it.
It hasn't though. Women play casual games and men play more involved and complicated video games.
You only get parity by combining the two.
Friend, will you claim that women develop social skills earlier and to a greater extent then their male counter parts?
Will you claim that they have certain advantages over males at given portions of their education?
The instant you say yes and this is something feminists will say very freely... including in this article... "WOMEN ARE BETTER"...
Well, allow me to use the kryptonite of all sophists... Facts and logic.
IF women are superior at anything they are also DIFFERENT. Difference is required for superiority. It is in fact a further qualifier on difference.
Aspect is different in the direction of superiority.
No?
Which means this very article you are defending is contradicting you. If women are different from men then men are different from women. The logic is inescapable.
The only way you can hold your position is by denouncing this article as flawed.
Defend it and you defend differences and I win.
Adventure games are no more FPS with elves then are books all about ANYTHING.
Adventure games can be about anything. If you were a gamer, and you're clearly completely ignorant of the medium, then you'd know adventure games can be about literally anything.
Are there some very tired AAA franchises? Same thing with super hero movies. It does not mean that all movies are about comic books. The only people that would say that are people that know nothing about movies.
You know NOTHING about games.
Citation on Dona Bailey being driven out.
You're referencing some games without any writing in them in response to a study about women being better story tellers. Just saying.
You know what, you convinced me... only reason women are not being represented in a meritorious industry with a very low bar to entry is a shadowy cabal of bigoted men.
Oh wait, no... that's idiotic.
Wrong.
Women were not pushed out of gaming.
There are lots of games that are not about pew pew. You clearly don't play games or know much about them.
And why can't women make pew pew games? They're fun.
It speaks to their desperation to scour the bottom for anything.
Whether or a myth or not, it doesn't matter because the advantage is very temporary.
The boys catch up rapidly.
How can people think men are inferior when we have this enormous history of men doing brilliant things? Seriously... people that take that posture need to read a book or go to a museum.
pretty much exactly. They've so over saturated the market with these stupid articles that they've come out of solution. It is just piling up on the bottom of the beaker now.
That's why we have man caves.
If you're saying a male toddler prefers to chew on toy trucks while a female toddler prefers to chew on dollies because of socialization... then you've created an orthodoxy that cannot be falsified.
This is officially your belief system. And that's fine. I won't challenge your belief system so long as you acknowledge it as such. By all means, have little meetings with your buddies at your local temple or whatever and take off a few random days of the year to observe... whatever. But your claims on science if you start pulling this crap are nil.
And when girls start programming at 12 in any numbers you'll have a point.
As of now... nope.
according to wikipedia:
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Developer(s) Valve Corporation
Publisher(s)
Valve Corporation
Microsoft Game Studios (XBLA)4
Distributor(s)
Electronic Arts (retail)
Steam (online)
Writer(s)
Erik Wolpaw
Chet Faliszek
Composer(s)
Kelly Bailey
Mike Morasky
""
same with portal 2... only there are some extra dudes on that one.
Wrong, this has been established in many studies on small children as young as toddlers... there are distinct tendencies between the sexes.
You cannot tell me a toddler has be socialized to desire given things based on sex. And yet in those studies, such children were shown to prefer given toys largely on sexual grounds.
I grant that the nurture component is very strong. However, what you are saying is that nature doesn't exist at all. Which is unsupportable.
We are a sexually dimorphic species. This has been proven to be so both in our external traits and in our neurology.
Do you want to bet a neurologist can't tell a male brain from a female brain? Obviously they could. And how? The structure is different.
I thought everyone knew this? Aren't we being told all the time about how "girls are better at this" or "women are better at this"... well, assuming they are, that means male and female brains are different. Which means unless you're going with a female supremacist platform... that women are probably not as good at some things men do.
The logic is fucking inescapable. It isn't politically correct... but then I'm a human being and not a fucking computer. So I don't especially care what the PC fucktards deem doubleplusungood.
Well that was all I had... I thought the LJ was written by a women but I was wrong.
So... does anyone have a game written by a woman that was actually well written?
I'm not saying they can't write a good script for a game. I'm just saying I can't think of one.
Girls have developed faster then boys at that age since always. It is a well known trait.
However, the boys catch up and then the advantage vanishes.
Games are not programmed or developed by 12 year olds. They're mostly developed by people between the ages of 25 and 45. An age bracket which is well beyond the critical age range you're talking about.
What is more, you can see in the colleges that even with women out numbering men in the colleges... the programming, mathematics, etc courses are mostly men. And amongst the hard programming and math courses... 99.999999 percent men.
Now am I saying women can't do this work? No. I am rather saying they don't want to do it. They sit down in the programming classes, notice it is not fun for them, and leave.
It is a choice.
It isn't actually unless you want to count facebook games which is the only way you're going to get numbers like that.
And as to girls being developers... sure... just like they're 50 percent of programmers, right?... Oh wait.
Exactly. Tell me they're better when they actually make the games.
citation? The only female writers in games I can name off the top of my head... were the writers of the games: King's Quest and the Longest Journey.
King's quest first off was not well written. It was fun but the stories were predictable and very derivative.
The Longest Journey was good but you have to remember it was competing in the Adventure Game category which are very much about their stories.
Now... now is the longest journey the BEST adventure game ever? It is all a matter of opinion, but I'd point at the Lucas Arts games first. And unless I'm mistaken that is 100 percent dick.
Don't get me wrong, I want women to do these things and I think they're just as able as the guys. THAT SAID, we've been bombarded by a bunch of stupid studies and propoganda lately saying women are oppressed or would be suprerior in this or that.
And never mind that the real issue is that women DO NOT WANT to be in game design. It isn't their career aspiration. How many boys when asked what they want to do will tell you "make games"... so many. How many girls? Practically none. And before you give me some presto intellectual argument about how they're just conditioned to not want to do these things... Wrong. Women and men gravitate to certain career paths. Women choose NOT to sit for hours in front of computers learning to code.
Game design is not an especially rewarding career from a financial perspective. Women tend to do things that are fun for them or make them a lot of money. This holds true for men as well. The difference is that what is fun for men is not what is fun for women.
Lots of guys can sit and code for hours all by themselves and have a great time doing it. They can walk away from it exhausted with a smile on their faces feeling like they accomplished something. Very few women have that reaction. I'm not saying that holds true for all women or that it should be that way... I am saying that for most women that is how it is.
This gap is only present temporarily. Boys catch up quickly in this area.
Do we really want to do Male authors VS Female authors match up? Men are at least as good as women at writing. Note... MEN and WOMEN. Girls are probably better then boys. But it doesn't last.
... Oh wait.
Trust me, it gets every bit as cold in the US. US is a big place. Parts of it get a great deal colder then anything you'll see in western europe. Just saying.
As to remote start, there are ways to do it that don't present a security risk.
1. Isolate the system.
2. Make it so it does nothing if the car is already on.
3. Make a distinction between starting the engine with the remote start and authorizing driving. If what you want is to warm the car up then you don't need to unlock the steering wheel.
4. Consider multi factor authentication such as a password or pin code to do certain things.
The more you computerize the car the more this sort of thing will be important.
Look at what Hungry tried. That is my point. Note the pattern. Read european union officials on the issue.
This is about protectionism and money.