If you're telling me we are running out of water for example... on planet earth... I am going to laugh in your face.
If you tell me that some town in a desert community is running low on drinking water... then that is a different situation. The answer there would be to either limit the population in that community or improve infrastructure to handle the shortage.
As to people running out of sand... I saw two places where there are sand shortages... apparently india for some reason is having a shortage which is leading to smuggling from other places. I'm not sure why they need to smuggle... they go to these absurd lengths to get the sand when you would think it would be cheaper to just buy it.
And then I think I saw something from a fracking operation in the US that was having trouble getting sand to blast into the shafts.
Sand is pulverized rock. Give me a rock crusher and whatever type of rock you want turned into sand... and I'll give you all the sand you could ever want. What is more... where is all this sand going? From what I've seen it is mostly being lost to erosion which means it is just going into the ocean somewhere.
If we really want this sand back... dredge it up if you want it so badly. It is there somewhere. Here someone will complain about the poor sea creatures... there has to be a reasonable way to get the sand up without genociding all life in the oceans... hysterical people get slapped.:-P
I just messaged some people that are using the crack... it apparently works. There are some bugs but apparently the game just has those bugs regardless.
Before someone responds to contradict an obviously correct point... stop. Step away from the computer... do something less likely to reveal you are an idiot.
This is a bullshit dodge that fools none but the mentally lazy.
What you're doing is trying to have a quota without dealing with the stigma of having a quota.
It is like selling a food product that MUST have sugar or water added to it later and then claiming that "this product is good because it has no sugar or water"... well maybe but the sugar and water is implicit in the use of that product. And even if it doesn't have it at point of sale the reality is that it MUST be added at some point prior to consumption.
In regards to you implied quota system. What you're doing is saying "well, we want a good mix... and that mix is racial... and we're not going to be specific about what is and is not a good mix... but if we look at your work force and don't see a ratio we like... then we're going to call you racists."
Which means to avoid being called a racist, I have to maintain a quota.
Your whole position is intellectually dishonest. You want a quota but you don't want to be JUDGED for calling for a quota. Because quotas have gotten a bad reputation. And rather then own up to the valid counter argument against your position, you're going to try and claim your position is something that it isn't so you don't have to deal with that argument.
That's bullshit, jack. The only people that stupidity fools are the stupid. I'm not stupid. When your argument assumes that the person you're arguing against is stupid by default you must accept that your argument is only going to work against stupid people. You need something better then this because while there are a lot of stupid people out there... we are not all stupid.
If you like. I respond atypically to most psychotropic drugs. In some cases, no effect what so ever to drug that get most people chasing magical butterflies around the room.
I do not get tired. I get progressively drunk instead. That is, every day as more people normally get tired... I undergo a mental change that is akin to getting drunk. I get a bit of a buzz after being up for about 30 hours or so. And after about 48 I'm tipsy. Beyond that I get pretty smashed and will just pass out. I am not literally getting drunk but the mental state is equivalent.
It goes much beyond that. The point is that my brain structure and chemistry is unusual.
I am more different from most people then some difference in skin coloration. To say "you're just another white guy" is ignorant. It is not dissimilar to the phrenology, the practice of judging a man's character and nature by examining the shape of his skull. You are fixating on something meaningless and assigning it meaning.
Real diversity is in the brain... not the skin. If all you see when you look at me is another white guy... you see nothing.
By talented, you mean people that could do the work if they had the education and background to be useful? Maybe. But they don't which means the company has to train them from scratch which is expensive.
The universities might get as much as 60 thousand dollars to educate someone. Who is picking up that tab?
Look, you can't blame the company for hiring someone qualified that can actually start working immediately versus someone that has to be trained for literally years at huge expense. Get real.
While race CAN inform your experiences you CANNOT assume that YOU know what my experiences have been or the sort of person I am BECAUSE of my race.
I mean, my choice in bubble gum can have an effect. Anything can have an effect. But you don't know WHAT that effect will be on me.
There is this attempt to take a white stereotype and then project it on random white people you do NOT know. You can't do that. You do not know me.
The fact that you know I'm white doesn't mean you know anything about me besides that I get burned more easily in the sun. That's it. You do not know me. You cannot take some bullshit narrative and then just superimpose it on my life as if you know things about me when the reality is that you do not.
If you want to judge me, you first have to get to know me. That's fair. And that goes for everyone... all races and genders.
If I call a woman a bitch for example, am I a woman hater? Maybe. Or maybe she's an extremely unpleasant person. Maybe she tortures animals for fun and I know that about her and you don't.
You can't say you know anything about someone because you know their race. That's horseshit.
As to whether I can know the pain of someone I don't know and who is living in circumstances I haven't lived in... no. I can imagine them but I can't know them.
However, that is a double edged sword. She doesn't know what it is like to be me. And while I'll freely admit I've had an easier life then her, that doesn't make me less worthy of life or less worthy of happiness. I don't need to apologize to her or give up what I have simply because someone somewhere else has a shitty life.
By this logic we'd have to take food out of the mouths of BEGGARS in the US to give to people starving in some war torn country or something. Why? Our beggars have food. They have an easier life then people starving in war zones.
You don't make the world a more just or reasonable place by arguing who has a shittier life and then making the people with easier lives feel like crap.
Do you know why we have easier lives here? Because we could very easily have a war zone in the US with people starving to death. But we don't. The reasons for this are complicated but they boil down to things we don't need to apologize for but rather be proud of... we have a stable republic. We have rule of law. Americans made this. No one gave this to us unless you want to cite past generations. But the fact is that this was not something an external agency imposed on we the American people. We did this for ourselves. So I'm not apologizing for living in a stable country where people can raise families in safety.
This incessant need to shame people by pointing out who is more disadvantaged or who has a harder time is not useful.
We are trying to talk about how to structure our economy in a rational fashion. Do you want to have a bunch of dumb quotas that cause everything to break down and stop working or do you want to have reliable institutions where the first priority is that things get done?
Choose please.
Because if you want things to get done then that means all this other stuff is secondary. Which means since there is a shortage of females that can do this work not a lot of women are going to be hired to do it. They don't have the skills. That isn't the company's fault. They don't exist. You might as well get mad at the company for not hiring unicorns. So now that we have established that the company is not at fault and that we want the company to produce and useful rather then just maintain meaningless quotas that will cause the company to collapse... what is left to talk about?
If the responsibility is on me to not be uncomfortable then likewise it is upon this woman complaining to not be made uncomfortable by all the cock around her at the office.
Its the same. If I have to deal with things then she has to deal with things.
The world is not created to make either of us happy or comfortable. We operate under similar social standards and she just needs to admit this is on her.
If she doesn't like working at that company because of all the sexy sexy men all around her at all times with their neck beards and squinty eyes... then maybe she needs to find work somewhere else?
I would say the same thing to a man in the same position.
That is what equality looks like. You ask for more then this and you're asking for special treatment.
You're not following race in any of those situations. You're following talent.
You setup the programming office in the middle of corn country where there are a lot of white guys... you're not going to get the programmers you need. Despite having lots of white guys.
So the race is not what you're following in any of those cases but the labor.
I am saying... IF she going to blame someone... the LAST person to blame is the company that ACTUALLY HIRED HER.
Think about this... the company GAVE her the job. And she's still not happy because there is just too much cock in the office.
Now who's fault is that quantity of cock?
We go back to the university and find that women aren't taking the courses that give them the skills to work at that cock filled office. Seems mostly people with cocks are taking those courses and they are voluntary courses open to women.
Which means women are choosing to not have the skills that allow them to work at those cock filled companies.
now why would this be a surprise? She went through college and how many women were sharing these computer classes with her? Statistically not many. Which means... she should have seen this coming.
This is just typical whiny bullshit. EVERYONE feels like this on occasion. Only some people decide to share their whine with other people. Today... we got to hear THIS person's reasons for them not being happy.
As to your SJWs... yep... everyone has those people. I didn't even know the term SJW until very recently. We've always just called them 'activists' or "politicos" or something.
As to clinton's approval... she's a PURE politician. She supports anything that is useful to her. I suspect she's generally supportive of these people because they're useful.
That said there is a growing backlash because we've been dealing with the "war on women" narrative since 2012... and men are getting a little tired of being randomly called rapists for no reason. Last election was pretty striking. Democrats won the female vote by a little bit... but men shifted HARD for republicans. And being called rapists for 2 years and being denied due process and other basic legal rights didn't help.
So hillary might run into some problems because the feminist card is getting over played.
As to the US and the Yes means Yes law... its only relevant in California universities right now. Otherwise the US is generally okay about it unless you have children... or there is some sort of divorce. Then the system will fuck you raw.
Guy was literally drugged by a women, woke up tied to a bed with her straddling him, she brought him to climax in that position, let him go, he reported it as rape to the police, nothing happened legally, she got pregnant, asked for government assistance, and the government then demanded HE pay for her child. He was literally drugged and raped... and he has to pay child support. Classic.
That is unusual... but it happens. Men just increasingly have to keep in mind the system is very happy to fuck them.
US free speech laws let you get away with calling people things pretty much indiscriminately. Honestly, I'm happy with it that way. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" as the old children's rhyme goes. I'm fine with people calling me whatever. It is when those words translate into action that I start having a problem.
Say and believe ANYTHING you want. No problem with any of it. In fact, I will die to protect the right of someone to say I am evil. That is my commitment to freedom. But there is a universe of difference between saying something and doing something.
As to your thanks for passing it on... no problem. Its been everywhere lately. I do wish women would stand up and throw this crap down. Most women don't support it. But they're like moderates in many places that feel intimidated by radicals. They just say nothing and let it happen.
Its fucked up. There are various things men can do. Lots of passive resistance. We can keep voting these idiots out of office. And of course we don't have to support the media outlets that push it. We'll see what happens. US is going through some very tense political issues right now. We really don't need the feminists adding their craziness to our the stew.
I'm not my race. I'm sorry. I'm not going to let you define me as a person based on my skin color. it is exceptionally racist.
You can use my race to identify me... to pick me out of the crowd... you can say "the white guy in the yellow shirt"... that's fine. But you don't get to say that I am white as "person". I don't have a "white soul". I don't have a "white brain". It is literally skin deep. I am not my race. Sorry no. Period.
Now do things I had to grow up with impact my life and development? Sure. But being white was not one of the more important ones.
Being a serious introvert that loved machines, science, legos, computers, books, etc... THAT defined me as a person far more then my race.
If you want to classify me with people... THOSE are my people. Not some other group of assholes that just so happen to share my need for sunblock. That's fucking asinine.
As to bras and jockstraps. It really depends on what people do at the company. When it comes to fitting, you do want to use people with appropriate anatomy. But why do you need a woman to do the accounting for the bra company? That's just math and spreadsheets. No bras involved. In fact, practically everything the company does would not actually need a women. Really you'd only want them in the R&D department to figure out what was comfortable, then maybe having them in marketing, and then again quality control. But aside from that... you don't really need them because they don't need to test or design or market the bras in other departments. As to jock straps... same thing. You'll need men to help design it, you'll need men to help market it, and you'll need men to do quality control. But beyond that the rest of the company could be female. And the people I referred to could work out to less then 1 percent of the whole company.
A jockstrap company that was 99 percent female might be just fine. I'd have to test their product to have an opinion. But I would not pre-judge their work... it would be prejudice.
As to statistical studies, i am so burned out on those lately. According to that stupid one out of the CDC, 1 in 5 women are raped in college. A number they get to by calling any "unsatisfying" sexual experience as being rape. And that is hardly the only example lately of bullshit statistical studies.
Are you statistics crap? I have no idea. All I know is that only a complete moron would trust them without an audit.
Do you have a link to the studies so I can look at them or have I broken some rule by actually assuming a right to examine evidence? Just curious.
As to having such different perspectives that we can't come to a middle ground, who says we need to do that?
You shouldn't be afraid of arguing with people that have different views from yourself. The point should rather be to understand them.
I argue and discuss things all the time with people that I will NEVER agree with because they frankly believe some crazy things... in my opinion.
But discussing things with them does teach me things on occasion. I find it rewarding.
If you only talk with people that agree with you then your mind atrophies and your mind closes as you descend into an echo chamber.
As to your quibbles about the term quota requiring a specific percentage that is nonsense. You're not able to avoid calling a quota merely by having the exact figure be vague and unstated... even though it is implied and there is clearly some number that I could empirically test out of you. I could show you 50 different work environments each with different "mixes" and then ask you which was a pass and which was a fail. You'd pick ones you liked and tell me ones you didn't. Then I'd do the math and from that we would know what your quota is mathematically.
Your refusal to share the number doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You clearly have a quota in mind.
If I can't have a 100 percent this race plus 100 percent this sex... then you want quotas.
As to saying I am partly my race, WRONG. You don't get to say what I am, pal. Who the fuck do you think you are anyway? You don't know me. You think you can define my nature my looking at the pigment of my skin? That is so amazingly racist I don't even know where to start with that.
Imagine for a moment I were black or asian. Are you going claim you can define who I am as a person based on my skin color? Obviously not. Because everyone knows that's racist. But suddenly that is okay if the guy is white? How does that make sense?
You don't know me. I am not my race. My race is a fucking pigment of my skin. It is of no more value then the color my eyes. I have brown eyes. Want to group me with all the other brown eyed people? Grouping people by race is literally that dumb.
You know NOTHING about me by citing my race. Jack. Nada.
I love that you said "white male" qualities... please substitute that with say "black female" qualities... do you even begin to realize how racist that is? It is hilarious. You should be mortified on not realizing this one.
As to the white men not having black or asian or female characteristics... how do you know? What are those characteristics? I had a friend in high school that talked exactly like the guys in the rap videos for at least a year. It was really pretty obnoxious. Was that a black quality? Or are you only allowed to have black qualities if your skin is black? Do you see the problem here? Lets say I'm a transgender male. Lets say even though I've got a cock, I identify as a woman. So do I have female qualities now? And if I can do that, then why can't I identify as an asian woman? The whole discussion is absurd because your premise that there are asian or black characteristics is hopelessly racist. It doesn't make any sense.
As to height being a characteristic... good... so our office is more diverse in your opinion if we have a short person. And what if the office has nothing but black women in it? Does that need some more "mixing". And what does mixing mean? Is it just racial and gender or do we need to make sure we get some fat people and short people in there too because god forbid everyone is tall for some reason.
This is priceless.
As to humans always separating people by race, that is what YOU are doing. I am not. Do not project your racism on me.
I am not a racist. I am not a sexist. All people are equal in my eyes because I look at the PERSON. I look into your eyes and see YOU. I don't care what your skin color is or if you've got five cocks and three vaginas. I don't care if you're short or fat or old. I look to the person and judge that p
As to what you implied, no one takes a man's feelings seriously in these situations so until that changes I feel out of fairness... I have no reason to take her feelings seriously in this situation.
Only fair.
As to bullshit feelings, they're my feelings and you don't get to judge them. That is the glory of feelings. Maybe it is part of my feelings that they are bullshit. My male attitude requires that I belittle my own feelings as a symbol of my masculinity. Women claim similar things with their feelings. Why must male feelings conform to female feeling norms? See how fun this game is? it is a merry go round of stupidity. We can either respect each other and be rational or you get something "else". This woman that was complaining was being well treated. No on disrespected her. She's just being unreasonable and whining. She is setting the standard for how I respond to her.
As to jokes, and women make jokes about men as well with just as much frequency. The difference is that men don't complain about it because they're men. Amongst men it is a sign of weakness to signal that anyone is getting to us. It is a sign of weakness to complain. And as a result, men can be bullied especially by people that the men cannot retaliate against in kind. So the man gets bullied by the woman... but if he wants to bully her back VERBALLY then he's a bad person. Which creates a problem. Long story short... this "joke" issue is a wash. There are violations on both sides of the line and neither side has moral superiority here.
As to dismissing discrimination, the burden of proof is upon THEE. I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making accusations. Even this women didn't claim she was getting any of that. She just said there was too much cock around her. I don't credit that as a valid complaint in a professional work environment. Some offices will have an awful lot of dick. And?
As to your continuing attempts to shift the burden of proof... rejected. Provide evidence or case dismissed.
You say you don't want quotas and then you talk about what is and is not a good mix.
Define what that mix is... and you'll have defined your quota.
I am not my race or my sex.
If you filled a room with white guys you are very unlikely to have even ONE guy like me.
If the only means you use to define the "mix" is skin color and sex... why not height? Why not weight? Why not any of a dozen other arbitrary physical attributes? Maybe we need more gingers on staff. Maybe more blonds? Maybe more people with curly hair or more people with straight hair?
I am no more my race then I am my height. My brain is who I am. My brain is not white or black. My brain is pink just like every other brain out there. That is your diversity.
The brain.
And my brain is unusual. I am highly neuro-atypical. Include me on staff and you will have increased your diversity even if I am the same race and gender as everyone else.
What makes us different is not actually captured by the census department.
If you liked a girl or a women... and we wrote down all the figures the census department included about her. We can include what the department of motor vehicles collected as well. If we collected all that information... could I substitute that woman with another one that matched all those variables and have you be equally attracted to her?
Either "yes, because you can sum up everything relevant about a person with that information" or "No, people are a lot more complicated then that."
You get my point.
Race and gender are moronic ways to classify people. Especially race. Race is totally meaningless. Gender has some neurological differences which can be relevant. But even there you can't say that a work place lacks diversity simply because they're all men. You don't know those men.
Take a look at the men in the Office... the tv show. They're all different indifferent to their race. Same with the women... all different indifferent to their gender.
Was this woman uncomfortable in that work place with those men? Sure. But another woman might have been fine. Maybe THAT woman has a problem.
There are a lot of women in software that do quite well for themselves. We only hear about these few that have a problem for no specific reason. And that is fine. Clearly they need to find a new job. Men get jobs all the time that they don't like... they don't cry discrimination because they don't like the vibe.
You can have 5 guys of the same age and the same race from the same town that all grew up together and are life time friends and yet have diversity.
I am not my race. I am not my gender. I am not my age. I am not my place of birth.
If you think you can sum up a person's soul simply by listing what the US census bureau collects then you know nothing of people.
Lets say a woman likes a man. Can I replace that man with another man of the same race, age, nationality, and body mass index and have her be equally attracted to that man?
Obviously not. Why is that?
Because it is a lot more complicated then the sad three or four variables that these idiots trying to find evidence of discrimination in limited statistical information can possibly understand.
I am not my race or my gender. You can't say you know me or what I believe or value because I need to wear sun block and have a cock.
Lets just replace all biographies with that... the collected wisdom of everyone on planet earth can just be replaced with this "skin color was this... had or did not have cock"
No need for further information. Nothing they say or believe or think could possibly be beyond what is in the census information. Their dreams, their works, their abilities... none of it matters. All we need to know is what their skin tone was and whether they had a dick or a vagina.
This whole push for sexual and racial quotas in every field is beyond offensive. Haven't we grown beyond this garbage? Race means nothing. Sex means nothing. If you can do the work then apply for the job. If you can't... that isn't my fault. Bitch to the university.
We've seen this sort of thing on and off again for years. It was well handled in some situations but I expect the feminists wouldn't like those situations. They were used as secretaries for example quite successfully. that might seem demeaning but they were qualified for those positions. You want the programming job then learn to program.
Anyway, in regards to software companies... they don't care who writes the code. If you have a cock or a vagina it is all the same to the company. The question is do you produce code and can you work with people? Yes to both? Welcome to the team. Neither? Then you're worthless.
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Then be specific.
If you're telling me we are running out of water for example... on planet earth... I am going to laugh in your face.
If you tell me that some town in a desert community is running low on drinking water... then that is a different situation. The answer there would be to either limit the population in that community or improve infrastructure to handle the shortage.
As to people running out of sand... I saw two places where there are sand shortages... apparently india for some reason is having a shortage which is leading to smuggling from other places. I'm not sure why they need to smuggle... they go to these absurd lengths to get the sand when you would think it would be cheaper to just buy it.
And then I think I saw something from a fracking operation in the US that was having trouble getting sand to blast into the shafts.
Sand is pulverized rock. Give me a rock crusher and whatever type of rock you want turned into sand... and I'll give you all the sand you could ever want. What is more... where is all this sand going? From what I've seen it is mostly being lost to erosion which means it is just going into the ocean somewhere.
If we really want this sand back... dredge it up if you want it so badly. It is there somewhere. Here someone will complain about the poor sea creatures... there has to be a reasonable way to get the sand up without genociding all life in the oceans... hysterical people get slapped. :-P
I just messaged some people that are using the crack... it apparently works. There are some bugs but apparently the game just has those bugs regardless.
Exactly. Diversity of skin or gender is an arbitrary and shallow means of determining actual diversity.
Diversity of mind is a far better measure of actual human diversity.
Before someone responds to contradict an obviously correct point... stop. Step away from the computer... do something less likely to reveal you are an idiot.
This is a bullshit dodge that fools none but the mentally lazy.
What you're doing is trying to have a quota without dealing with the stigma of having a quota.
It is like selling a food product that MUST have sugar or water added to it later and then claiming that "this product is good because it has no sugar or water"... well maybe but the sugar and water is implicit in the use of that product. And even if it doesn't have it at point of sale the reality is that it MUST be added at some point prior to consumption.
In regards to you implied quota system. What you're doing is saying "well, we want a good mix... and that mix is racial... and we're not going to be specific about what is and is not a good mix... but if we look at your work force and don't see a ratio we like... then we're going to call you racists."
Which means to avoid being called a racist, I have to maintain a quota.
Your whole position is intellectually dishonest. You want a quota but you don't want to be JUDGED for calling for a quota. Because quotas have gotten a bad reputation. And rather then own up to the valid counter argument against your position, you're going to try and claim your position is something that it isn't so you don't have to deal with that argument.
That's bullshit, jack. The only people that stupidity fools are the stupid. I'm not stupid. When your argument assumes that the person you're arguing against is stupid by default you must accept that your argument is only going to work against stupid people. You need something better then this because while there are a lot of stupid people out there... we are not all stupid.
Try harder, you degenerate piece of shit. :-D
He did actually and I pointed that out rather clearly.
If you're not defining me by my race then you won't judge the diversity of my work place by the racial diversity.
Point blank.
The instant you do that you're making racial judgements.
End of argument. Thanks for playing.
If people had the option to use them to correspond with their banks etc, they would. not everyone... but people would.
as to the objective... the objective is security.
If you like. I respond atypically to most psychotropic drugs. In some cases, no effect what so ever to drug that get most people chasing magical butterflies around the room.
I do not get tired. I get progressively drunk instead. That is, every day as more people normally get tired... I undergo a mental change that is akin to getting drunk. I get a bit of a buzz after being up for about 30 hours or so. And after about 48 I'm tipsy. Beyond that I get pretty smashed and will just pass out. I am not literally getting drunk but the mental state is equivalent.
It goes much beyond that. The point is that my brain structure and chemistry is unusual.
I am more different from most people then some difference in skin coloration. To say "you're just another white guy" is ignorant. It is not dissimilar to the phrenology, the practice of judging a man's character and nature by examining the shape of his skull. You are fixating on something meaningless and assigning it meaning.
Real diversity is in the brain... not the skin. If all you see when you look at me is another white guy... you see nothing.
By talented, you mean people that could do the work if they had the education and background to be useful? Maybe. But they don't which means the company has to train them from scratch which is expensive.
The universities might get as much as 60 thousand dollars to educate someone. Who is picking up that tab?
Look, you can't blame the company for hiring someone qualified that can actually start working immediately versus someone that has to be trained for literally years at huge expense. Get real.
While race CAN inform your experiences you CANNOT assume that YOU know what my experiences have been or the sort of person I am BECAUSE of my race.
I mean, my choice in bubble gum can have an effect. Anything can have an effect. But you don't know WHAT that effect will be on me.
There is this attempt to take a white stereotype and then project it on random white people you do NOT know. You can't do that. You do not know me.
The fact that you know I'm white doesn't mean you know anything about me besides that I get burned more easily in the sun. That's it. You do not know me. You cannot take some bullshit narrative and then just superimpose it on my life as if you know things about me when the reality is that you do not.
If you want to judge me, you first have to get to know me. That's fair. And that goes for everyone... all races and genders.
If I call a woman a bitch for example, am I a woman hater? Maybe. Or maybe she's an extremely unpleasant person. Maybe she tortures animals for fun and I know that about her and you don't.
You can't say you know anything about someone because you know their race. That's horseshit.
As to whether I can know the pain of someone I don't know and who is living in circumstances I haven't lived in... no. I can imagine them but I can't know them.
However, that is a double edged sword. She doesn't know what it is like to be me. And while I'll freely admit I've had an easier life then her, that doesn't make me less worthy of life or less worthy of happiness. I don't need to apologize to her or give up what I have simply because someone somewhere else has a shitty life.
By this logic we'd have to take food out of the mouths of BEGGARS in the US to give to people starving in some war torn country or something. Why? Our beggars have food. They have an easier life then people starving in war zones.
You don't make the world a more just or reasonable place by arguing who has a shittier life and then making the people with easier lives feel like crap.
Do you know why we have easier lives here? Because we could very easily have a war zone in the US with people starving to death. But we don't. The reasons for this are complicated but they boil down to things we don't need to apologize for but rather be proud of... we have a stable republic. We have rule of law. Americans made this. No one gave this to us unless you want to cite past generations. But the fact is that this was not something an external agency imposed on we the American people. We did this for ourselves. So I'm not apologizing for living in a stable country where people can raise families in safety.
This incessant need to shame people by pointing out who is more disadvantaged or who has a harder time is not useful.
We are trying to talk about how to structure our economy in a rational fashion. Do you want to have a bunch of dumb quotas that cause everything to break down and stop working or do you want to have reliable institutions where the first priority is that things get done?
Choose please.
Because if you want things to get done then that means all this other stuff is secondary. Which means since there is a shortage of females that can do this work not a lot of women are going to be hired to do it. They don't have the skills. That isn't the company's fault. They don't exist. You might as well get mad at the company for not hiring unicorns. So now that we have established that the company is not at fault and that we want the company to produce and useful rather then just maintain meaningless quotas that will cause the company to collapse... what is left to talk about?
This whole issue makes no sense.
If the responsibility is on me to not be uncomfortable then likewise it is upon this woman complaining to not be made uncomfortable by all the cock around her at the office.
Its the same. If I have to deal with things then she has to deal with things.
The world is not created to make either of us happy or comfortable. We operate under similar social standards and she just needs to admit this is on her.
If she doesn't like working at that company because of all the sexy sexy men all around her at all times with their neck beards and squinty eyes... then maybe she needs to find work somewhere else?
I would say the same thing to a man in the same position.
That is what equality looks like. You ask for more then this and you're asking for special treatment.
Its their job.
I wish they'd stop fucking with civilians but short of that... they can go hog wild with that crap.
You're not following race in any of those situations. You're following talent.
You setup the programming office in the middle of corn country where there are a lot of white guys... you're not going to get the programmers you need. Despite having lots of white guys.
So the race is not what you're following in any of those cases but the labor.
The woman in the article is blaming people.
Point blank.
I am saying... IF she going to blame someone... the LAST person to blame is the company that ACTUALLY HIRED HER.
Think about this... the company GAVE her the job. And she's still not happy because there is just too much cock in the office.
Now who's fault is that quantity of cock?
We go back to the university and find that women aren't taking the courses that give them the skills to work at that cock filled office. Seems mostly people with cocks are taking those courses and they are voluntary courses open to women.
Which means women are choosing to not have the skills that allow them to work at those cock filled companies.
now why would this be a surprise? She went through college and how many women were sharing these computer classes with her? Statistically not many. Which means... she should have seen this coming.
This is just typical whiny bullshit. EVERYONE feels like this on occasion. Only some people decide to share their whine with other people. Today... we got to hear THIS person's reasons for them not being happy.
I have no care for any of it.
As to your SJWs... yep... everyone has those people. I didn't even know the term SJW until very recently. We've always just called them 'activists' or "politicos" or something.
As to clinton's approval... she's a PURE politician. She supports anything that is useful to her. I suspect she's generally supportive of these people because they're useful.
That said there is a growing backlash because we've been dealing with the "war on women" narrative since 2012... and men are getting a little tired of being randomly called rapists for no reason. Last election was pretty striking. Democrats won the female vote by a little bit... but men shifted HARD for republicans. And being called rapists for 2 years and being denied due process and other basic legal rights didn't help.
So hillary might run into some problems because the feminist card is getting over played.
As to the US and the Yes means Yes law... its only relevant in California universities right now. Otherwise the US is generally okay about it unless you have children... or there is some sort of divorce. Then the system will fuck you raw.
Guy was literally drugged by a women, woke up tied to a bed with her straddling him, she brought him to climax in that position, let him go, he reported it as rape to the police, nothing happened legally, she got pregnant, asked for government assistance, and the government then demanded HE pay for her child. He was literally drugged and raped... and he has to pay child support. Classic.
That is unusual... but it happens. Men just increasingly have to keep in mind the system is very happy to fuck them.
US free speech laws let you get away with calling people things pretty much indiscriminately. Honestly, I'm happy with it that way. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" as the old children's rhyme goes. I'm fine with people calling me whatever. It is when those words translate into action that I start having a problem.
Say and believe ANYTHING you want. No problem with any of it. In fact, I will die to protect the right of someone to say I am evil. That is my commitment to freedom. But there is a universe of difference between saying something and doing something.
As to your thanks for passing it on... no problem. Its been everywhere lately. I do wish women would stand up and throw this crap down. Most women don't support it. But they're like moderates in many places that feel intimidated by radicals. They just say nothing and let it happen.
Its fucked up. There are various things men can do. Lots of passive resistance. We can keep voting these idiots out of office. And of course we don't have to support the media outlets that push it. We'll see what happens. US is going through some very tense political issues right now. We really don't need the feminists adding their craziness to our the stew.
You agreed the dictionary was backing me up and you're saying I'm the one embarrassing himself?
You sure about that? Sure it isn't someone else that is embarrassing themselves?
*taps pencil on table pensively*
I'm not my race. I'm sorry. I'm not going to let you define me as a person based on my skin color. it is exceptionally racist.
You can use my race to identify me... to pick me out of the crowd... you can say "the white guy in the yellow shirt"... that's fine. But you don't get to say that I am white as "person". I don't have a "white soul". I don't have a "white brain". It is literally skin deep. I am not my race. Sorry no. Period.
Now do things I had to grow up with impact my life and development? Sure. But being white was not one of the more important ones.
Being a serious introvert that loved machines, science, legos, computers, books, etc... THAT defined me as a person far more then my race.
If you want to classify me with people... THOSE are my people. Not some other group of assholes that just so happen to share my need for sunblock. That's fucking asinine.
As to bras and jockstraps. It really depends on what people do at the company. When it comes to fitting, you do want to use people with appropriate anatomy. But why do you need a woman to do the accounting for the bra company? That's just math and spreadsheets. No bras involved. In fact, practically everything the company does would not actually need a women. Really you'd only want them in the R&D department to figure out what was comfortable, then maybe having them in marketing, and then again quality control. But aside from that... you don't really need them because they don't need to test or design or market the bras in other departments. As to jock straps... same thing. You'll need men to help design it, you'll need men to help market it, and you'll need men to do quality control. But beyond that the rest of the company could be female. And the people I referred to could work out to less then 1 percent of the whole company.
A jockstrap company that was 99 percent female might be just fine. I'd have to test their product to have an opinion. But I would not pre-judge their work... it would be prejudice.
As to statistical studies, i am so burned out on those lately. According to that stupid one out of the CDC, 1 in 5 women are raped in college. A number they get to by calling any "unsatisfying" sexual experience as being rape. And that is hardly the only example lately of bullshit statistical studies.
Are you statistics crap? I have no idea. All I know is that only a complete moron would trust them without an audit.
Do you have a link to the studies so I can look at them or have I broken some rule by actually assuming a right to examine evidence? Just curious.
As to having such different perspectives that we can't come to a middle ground, who says we need to do that?
You shouldn't be afraid of arguing with people that have different views from yourself. The point should rather be to understand them.
I argue and discuss things all the time with people that I will NEVER agree with because they frankly believe some crazy things... in my opinion.
But discussing things with them does teach me things on occasion. I find it rewarding.
If you only talk with people that agree with you then your mind atrophies and your mind closes as you descend into an echo chamber.
As to your quibbles about the term quota requiring a specific percentage that is nonsense. You're not able to avoid calling a quota merely by having the exact figure be vague and unstated... even though it is implied and there is clearly some number that I could empirically test out of you. I could show you 50 different work environments each with different "mixes" and then ask you which was a pass and which was a fail. You'd pick ones you liked and tell me ones you didn't. Then I'd do the math and from that we would know what your quota is mathematically.
Your refusal to share the number doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You clearly have a quota in mind.
If I can't have a 100 percent this race plus 100 percent this sex... then you want quotas.
As to saying I am partly my race, WRONG. You don't get to say what I am, pal. Who the fuck do you think you are anyway? You don't know me. You think you can define my nature my looking at the pigment of my skin? That is so amazingly racist I don't even know where to start with that.
Imagine for a moment I were black or asian. Are you going claim you can define who I am as a person based on my skin color? Obviously not. Because everyone knows that's racist. But suddenly that is okay if the guy is white? How does that make sense?
You don't know me. I am not my race. My race is a fucking pigment of my skin. It is of no more value then the color my eyes. I have brown eyes. Want to group me with all the other brown eyed people? Grouping people by race is literally that dumb.
You know NOTHING about me by citing my race. Jack. Nada.
I love that you said "white male" qualities... please substitute that with say "black female" qualities... do you even begin to realize how racist that is? It is hilarious. You should be mortified on not realizing this one.
As to the white men not having black or asian or female characteristics... how do you know? What are those characteristics? I had a friend in high school that talked exactly like the guys in the rap videos for at least a year. It was really pretty obnoxious. Was that a black quality? Or are you only allowed to have black qualities if your skin is black? Do you see the problem here? Lets say I'm a transgender male. Lets say even though I've got a cock, I identify as a woman. So do I have female qualities now? And if I can do that, then why can't I identify as an asian woman? The whole discussion is absurd because your premise that there are asian or black characteristics is hopelessly racist. It doesn't make any sense.
As to height being a characteristic... good... so our office is more diverse in your opinion if we have a short person. And what if the office has nothing but black women in it? Does that need some more "mixing". And what does mixing mean? Is it just racial and gender or do we need to make sure we get some fat people and short people in there too because god forbid everyone is tall for some reason.
This is priceless.
As to humans always separating people by race, that is what YOU are doing. I am not. Do not project your racism on me.
I am not a racist. I am not a sexist. All people are equal in my eyes because I look at the PERSON. I look into your eyes and see YOU. I don't care what your skin color is or if you've got five cocks and three vaginas. I don't care if you're short or fat or old. I look to the person and judge that p
As to what you implied, no one takes a man's feelings seriously in these situations so until that changes I feel out of fairness... I have no reason to take her feelings seriously in this situation.
Only fair.
As to bullshit feelings, they're my feelings and you don't get to judge them. That is the glory of feelings. Maybe it is part of my feelings that they are bullshit. My male attitude requires that I belittle my own feelings as a symbol of my masculinity. Women claim similar things with their feelings. Why must male feelings conform to female feeling norms? See how fun this game is? it is a merry go round of stupidity. We can either respect each other and be rational or you get something "else". This woman that was complaining was being well treated. No on disrespected her. She's just being unreasonable and whining. She is setting the standard for how I respond to her.
As to jokes, and women make jokes about men as well with just as much frequency. The difference is that men don't complain about it because they're men. Amongst men it is a sign of weakness to signal that anyone is getting to us. It is a sign of weakness to complain. And as a result, men can be bullied especially by people that the men cannot retaliate against in kind. So the man gets bullied by the woman... but if he wants to bully her back VERBALLY then he's a bad person. Which creates a problem. Long story short... this "joke" issue is a wash. There are violations on both sides of the line and neither side has moral superiority here.
As to dismissing discrimination, the burden of proof is upon THEE. I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making accusations. Even this women didn't claim she was getting any of that. She just said there was too much cock around her. I don't credit that as a valid complaint in a professional work environment. Some offices will have an awful lot of dick. And?
As to your continuing attempts to shift the burden of proof... rejected. Provide evidence or case dismissed.
Contradiction.
You say you don't want quotas and then you talk about what is and is not a good mix.
Define what that mix is... and you'll have defined your quota.
I am not my race or my sex.
If you filled a room with white guys you are very unlikely to have even ONE guy like me.
If the only means you use to define the "mix" is skin color and sex... why not height? Why not weight? Why not any of a dozen other arbitrary physical attributes? Maybe we need more gingers on staff. Maybe more blonds? Maybe more people with curly hair or more people with straight hair?
I am no more my race then I am my height. My brain is who I am. My brain is not white or black. My brain is pink just like every other brain out there. That is your diversity.
The brain.
And my brain is unusual. I am highly neuro-atypical. Include me on staff and you will have increased your diversity even if I am the same race and gender as everyone else.
What makes us different is not actually captured by the census department.
If you liked a girl or a women... and we wrote down all the figures the census department included about her. We can include what the department of motor vehicles collected as well. If we collected all that information... could I substitute that woman with another one that matched all those variables and have you be equally attracted to her?
Either "yes, because you can sum up everything relevant about a person with that information" or "No, people are a lot more complicated then that."
You get my point.
Race and gender are moronic ways to classify people. Especially race. Race is totally meaningless. Gender has some neurological differences which can be relevant. But even there you can't say that a work place lacks diversity simply because they're all men. You don't know those men.
Take a look at the men in the Office... the tv show. They're all different indifferent to their race. Same with the women... all different indifferent to their gender.
Was this woman uncomfortable in that work place with those men? Sure. But another woman might have been fine. Maybe THAT woman has a problem.
There are a lot of women in software that do quite well for themselves. We only hear about these few that have a problem for no specific reason. And that is fine. Clearly they need to find a new job. Men get jobs all the time that they don't like... they don't cry discrimination because they don't like the vibe.
National origin was just an example.
You can have 5 guys of the same age and the same race from the same town that all grew up together and are life time friends and yet have diversity.
I am not my race.
I am not my gender.
I am not my age.
I am not my place of birth.
If you think you can sum up a person's soul simply by listing what the US census bureau collects then you know nothing of people.
Lets say a woman likes a man. Can I replace that man with another man of the same race, age, nationality, and body mass index and have her be equally attracted to that man?
Obviously not. Why is that?
Because it is a lot more complicated then the sad three or four variables that these idiots trying to find evidence of discrimination in limited statistical information can possibly understand.
I am not my race or my gender. You can't say you know me or what I believe or value because I need to wear sun block and have a cock.
Lets just replace all biographies with that... the collected wisdom of everyone on planet earth can just be replaced with this "skin color was this... had or did not have cock"
No need for further information. Nothing they say or believe or think could possibly be beyond what is in the census information. Their dreams, their works, their abilities... none of it matters. All we need to know is what their skin tone was and whether they had a dick or a vagina.
This whole push for sexual and racial quotas in every field is beyond offensive. Haven't we grown beyond this garbage? Race means nothing. Sex means nothing. If you can do the work then apply for the job. If you can't... that isn't my fault. Bitch to the university.
That's easily dealt with any of the crypto currencies.
We have the technology to make codes that cannot be broken... EVER by any technology short of time travel, teleportation, and mind control.
We can make encryption that cannot be broken. Why not do it?
You just contradicted yourself.
You say you don't want quotas and then you say things have to be changed so that you get more of some gender or race.
Really? And if we had lots of those in the work force you wouldn't say that because you'd be satisfied with the QUOTA.
You're an idiot. You're not even wrong. You're too dumb to be wrong.
We've seen this sort of thing on and off again for years. It was well handled in some situations but I expect the feminists wouldn't like those situations. They were used as secretaries for example quite successfully. that might seem demeaning but they were qualified for those positions. You want the programming job then learn to program.
Anyway, in regards to software companies... they don't care who writes the code. If you have a cock or a vagina it is all the same to the company. The question is do you produce code and can you work with people? Yes to both? Welcome to the team. Neither? Then you're worthless.
End of story.