I swear... you people are so fucking stupid... it is remarkable that you can sustain this absurd arrogance at the same time you're clearly without so much as a single wit.
And my statement initially only referred to stolen tech so similar to the original that it ran on the same firmware. And my statement was that I didn't have a problem with a maker tweaking a firmware update so that it bricked knock offs.
Don't like that? Don't steal my shit.
You mad, bro? What are you going to do about?
Do this for me. Hold your breath until you turn blue. That will show me, tiger.
They're witless children with little more then the first flush of a political identity. And so devoid are they of even rudimentary critical thinking skills that they get brainwashed by the first thing to try and colonize their minds.
Because going the other way has ever led to anything but poverty, stagnation, and misery?
No one says capitalism is a perfect system. It is just better then anything anyone else has ever come with that can manage a large complex economy in real time and do it dynamically adjusting to any of an infinite number of constantly changing variables.
And what have you said in the past? Oh that's right...no one knows because you're too much of a fucking coward to put even a fake name of your posts. And from that position you presume to judge me?
I seriously don't even get the point of that. Wouldn't it make more sense to just patch the NSA into the operation? I mean... why does every branch have to half ass something another branch is better at? Every branch has to have its own soldiers, its own planes, its own boats, its own tanks. Totally unreasonable to just call the other branch in to cooperate... right?
I don't care if the army is having a hard time recruiting computer literate people. That's not their job. If you need to hack something, call the NSA. Enough of this stupidity.
Nigeria is the model currently for dealing with this disease. They quarantine people. Not only do they do that, but they quarantine everyone they came in contact with... period.
Your method of dealing with a virulent disease has worked... never.
Actually we are sexually dimorphic... as to being less sexually dimorphic then something else...whatever... we remain sexually dimorphic. Attempting to ignore that aspect when studying humans is just a good way to confuse yourself.
I am saying indifferent to the study, which only a fool would base his total opinion on, we are a sexually dimorphic species. We are inclined to different tastes statistically. Given equal compensation for all jobs... men will be inclined to do some things and women will be inclined to do others.... on average.
As to men being more tolerant of risk... that is also true. But that is an additional variable.
That is all this study confirms. Because men are willing to get into things that might not be the best financial move. If women only go into it if there is a lot of money then they're showing up for the money... not the coding.
This confirms what has been established many times already. Men and women get job satisfaction out of different things.
There are jobs women will go into that don't pay as well as other options because they find them personally rewarding.
Men are the same way. But they find different things rewarding.
Shocker... humans are sexually dimorphic. Any biologist or anthropologist or medical professional could tell you this in a heartbeat.
The gender studies academics have their heads so far up their own asses on so many issues. We're sexually dimorphic. Get over it.
I know that Cray has some sort of chemical they use for their machines... they've been immersing machines in fluid for years. I assume something more like what they're using would be ideal. Though whatever it is has to be accessible to plebs like you and me.
They coat the chips in some sort of coating that insulates them.
Another idea which I like even better is to immerse the whole machine in mineral oil.
It is non-conductive. Somethings might need to be insulated against the oil like harddrives but everything else can just sit in it. From what I've gathered the entire tank of mineral oil acts like a giant heat sink to such an extent that a system like that can passively cool itself WITH overclocking.
I keep meaning to build a mineral oil cooled computer and keep chickening out.
Anyway, it has the virtue of being something you could seal and then take to the literal bottom of the ocean without worrying about a rupture.
That is what we had before patients. Companies simply kept information to themselves.
And a result of that was a much lower rate technological development because information was fragmented.
Look, if I come up with something... if I create something... why shouldn't I get rewarded for that? Why would you assume you have a right to take what I create and pay me nothing? Don't you see that I can't live or make that my job if I can't get paid? And if I can't get paid doing it, then that means I have to spend most of my time doing something else and only create in my spare time for FUN. You're going to get much less out of people if you do that then if you support them so they can produce stuff all the time. What is more, you're going to make sure that big companies and organizations spend basically no time creating anything. They'll make stuff but it won't be innovative because none of their own IP will be protected unless they keep it as a trade secret which means the secrets might be in a factory machine or something but never obvious in the final product.
The illogic of your position is just so fucking obvious... how can you not see how self destructive your position is here? You're cutting your dick off and saying "why is that a problem?".... well... I don't really mind if you want to live in a society like that. That is fine by me. I just don't want to live in your society then. I'll live in a society where IP is protected and you can live in one where it isn't. And we'll just see where that goes.
The demand for jobs didn't go down until the government did two things.
1. Ruined the finance market by manipulating prices which directly led to the 2008 collapse.
2. Started artificially increasing the cost of employing people.
You fuck with corporate and market finance and then raise the cost of labor... SHOCKER demand for labor falls as corporations act defensively to preserve capital.
Corps have lots of money and interested in hiring people. They just want competitive labor in a stable market.
Now here someone is going to say "I don't want to work 3rd world wages!"... no one does. The third world isn't paying them anymore these days. Wages in china are coming up fast. That said, the issue is not what you're paid but what the company pays TOTAL to produce goods or services in your country.
There are a lot of things the US can do to make its labor more competitive. There are a lot of good things about doing business in the US versus china. You just have to leverage those while minimizing the negatives.
Already we're getting manufacturing come BACK from china because those pros and cons balanced out.
Wrong. The transition happened concurrently and that is a matter of historical record.
The pain and disruption came from people attempting to stay on farms or having a hard time transitioning to factory labor. They didn't have the correct skill sets. They had the wrong culture for the work. And it basically forced a lot of people to start all over again in life.
Which is hard. But tell me this... you want to go back to the farm? Want to turn the clock back and shuck hay all your life?
Tell me now? Yes or no?
Because if not... then don't fight the future. It is coming whether you like it or not. And this infantile talk of rebellion is little more then a temper tantrum.
You're going to lose your job because all human work is going through a transformative change that will inconvenience you?
Allow me to break out the smallest violin in the world. It will suck for many. No doubt. Change is hard. But we do have welfare and EBT cards and stuff if you're totally incapable or unwilling to change. So you won't literally starve.
And the following generations will adapt and the things will be better.
There's no point bitching about it. Its like complaining about the weather. Its going to happen whether you complain or not.
Refusing to consider hypotheticals renders any conceptual discussion beyond your ability to analyze. You cannot talk about WHY things are the way they are if you cannot consider hypotheticals.
This is why politicians hate hypothetical questions because the actually address the consequences of their policies. They only want to talk about what is and what was. Never mind they're changing legislation all the time that will effect what will be. But if you talk about that before what will be "is" they refuse to talk about it until it "is".
The conflict is that you can't rationally project into the future. under that logic. And so you sacrifice any ability to tell me WHY things are they way they are or what things will be like in the future because YOU refuse to consider hypotheticals.
Its a dumb defense. Consider hypotheticals or you can't participate rationally in any discussion of this nature.
It isn't in the interest of the rich for the economy to crash. If they have all the money then you can't buy anything and the economy crashes.
It isn't in their interest for that to happen.
It works out best for everyone if everyone does well and at the same time... the rich do a bit better.
Violent revolution and slaughter isn't a natural consequence of economic change.
Consider that when we went into the industrial revolution millions of people that worked on farms lost their jobs. What did they do? They went to work in factories where they were generally better paid then they were on the farms and though there was some privation everything ultimately worked out better for everyone.
Before the industrial revolution, about 60-80 percent of the work force worked on a farm. Think about that. Today, in the US... that number is less then 3 percent. Think about that.
Which means in many existing industries you could see similar job loss. But at the same time, something else should open up. Likely in some sort of information segment of the economy. The jobs will be different.
And this will continue until robots are better at doing everything and anything then a human being.
What happens after that is anyone's guess. But until then I wouldn't worry too much about it. Our society in general will be enriched by automation enormously. And that wealth will be made available to the people as it always has in the past. Will the rich live better then you? Yep. But you'll live better then you're living now. So why complain?
If you steal my IP... and the government doesn't do their job and nail your butt to the wall... then I don't feel so bad about doing something nasty that screws up whomever is profiting from ripping me off.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion. But consider that we give the government a monopoly on violence in return for it agreeing to maintain justice and order. If it fails in either of those tasks then the contract is broken. Consider the wild west... government was not able to provide either justice or order. So you occasionally had to sort things out on your own when someone stole from you or threatened your life.
Likewise, a lot of this digital stuff is just beyond the government's ability or will to correct. So be it... wild west time. What people do is on their own conscience. You do it and own it.
One of the big reasons we haven't gone in for automation in much bigger way in the US is the high availability of illegal labor in the US. They're cheaper then robots in many cases at least with current technology... and a good deal more reliable and more capable.
Take the illegal labor out of the labor force and we would have heavily automated a decade ago at least.
So is the current drive for automation somewhat linked to the minimum wage hikes? Absolutely. The reality is that many jobs aren't worth more then people are being paid for them. Some of them are worth a good deal less but they simply must be done and so some people are over paid for them.
Automation is inevdiable and ultimately good for the economy. It will create new jobs for people that repair, manage, install, and build automation systems. It will also increase revenue dollars per capital dollars invested. And that wealth will open up money for new jobs.
Many people fear some dystopia where robots do everything and no one can get a job. But the reality is that money only has value in that you can buy things with it.
Which means those with money will need to spend it for it to have value. And that means if they get anything from people consenting to do what they want... people will have jobs.
They make use of the cell's own metabolic processes to reproduce which is their own bizarre form of eating. The cell is consumed in the process even if it consumes itself. Are they alive when they're outside an infected cell? Perhaps not... but then how alive is a frozen ice fish? When they enter a cell and start rewriting its DNA... it hard to not see the the will of the organism.
Beyond that, they do evolve.
I think it is problematic to classify strange forms of life as not being alive at all. Viruses are very different from all other known forms of life. But I think that is because they have everything extraneous stripped away from them.
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The great depression only happened because of manipulation of the market economy in the first place.
As to why the US did so well after WW2... would it have something to do with all our industrial competitors being smoking ruins?
Tell you what sport... if china just got nuked tomorrow... what do you think would happen to US exports?
Exactly.
And the fact that you didn't realize any of that disqualifies you from further comment.
Learn and listen more and talk less.
You can't patient that.
I swear... you people are so fucking stupid... it is remarkable that you can sustain this absurd arrogance at the same time you're clearly without so much as a single wit.
And my statement initially only referred to stolen tech so similar to the original that it ran on the same firmware. And my statement was that I didn't have a problem with a maker tweaking a firmware update so that it bricked knock offs.
Don't like that? Don't steal my shit.
You mad, bro? What are you going to do about?
Do this for me. Hold your breath until you turn blue. That will show me, tiger.
Seriously though... get bent.
They're witless children with little more then the first flush of a political identity. And so devoid are they of even rudimentary critical thinking skills that they get brainwashed by the first thing to try and colonize their minds.
It always goes back to the education system.
Because going the other way has ever led to anything but poverty, stagnation, and misery?
No one says capitalism is a perfect system. It is just better then anything anyone else has ever come with that can manage a large complex economy in real time and do it dynamically adjusting to any of an infinite number of constantly changing variables.
And what have you said in the past? Oh that's right...no one knows because you're too much of a fucking coward to put even a fake name of your posts. And from that position you presume to judge me?
Find something high to jump off from.
I seriously don't even get the point of that. Wouldn't it make more sense to just patch the NSA into the operation? I mean... why does every branch have to half ass something another branch is better at? Every branch has to have its own soldiers, its own planes, its own boats, its own tanks. Totally unreasonable to just call the other branch in to cooperate... right?
I don't care if the army is having a hard time recruiting computer literate people. That's not their job. If you need to hack something, call the NSA. Enough of this stupidity.
That isn't how you deal with plagues.
Nigeria is the model currently for dealing with this disease. They quarantine people. Not only do they do that, but they quarantine everyone they came in contact with... period.
Your method of dealing with a virulent disease has worked... never.
Just fyi.
Actually we are sexually dimorphic... as to being less sexually dimorphic then something else...whatever... we remain sexually dimorphic. Attempting to ignore that aspect when studying humans is just a good way to confuse yourself.
You didn't listen to me.
I am saying indifferent to the study, which only a fool would base his total opinion on, we are a sexually dimorphic species. We are inclined to different tastes statistically. Given equal compensation for all jobs... men will be inclined to do some things and women will be inclined to do others.... on average.
As to men being more tolerant of risk... that is also true. But that is an additional variable.
That is all this study confirms. Because men are willing to get into things that might not be the best financial move. If women only go into it if there is a lot of money then they're showing up for the money... not the coding.
This confirms what has been established many times already. Men and women get job satisfaction out of different things.
There are jobs women will go into that don't pay as well as other options because they find them personally rewarding.
Men are the same way. But they find different things rewarding.
Shocker... humans are sexually dimorphic. Any biologist or anthropologist or medical professional could tell you this in a heartbeat.
The gender studies academics have their heads so far up their own asses on so many issues. We're sexually dimorphic. Get over it.
Lots of science is discussed here and elsewhere all the time by laymen. You don't need the controversy to get people to talk about it.
The politics do cause people to obsess on it, but the obsession isn't useful for spreading understanding.
... political. It would be nice to just talk about the science and mute all the political gamesmanship.
Hmmm... do you have a better solution?
I know that Cray has some sort of chemical they use for their machines... they've been immersing machines in fluid for years. I assume something more like what they're using would be ideal. Though whatever it is has to be accessible to plebs like you and me.
http://www.liquipel.com/
They coat the chips in some sort of coating that insulates them.
Another idea which I like even better is to immerse the whole machine in mineral oil.
It is non-conductive. Somethings might need to be insulated against the oil like harddrives but everything else can just sit in it. From what I've gathered the entire tank of mineral oil acts like a giant heat sink to such an extent that a system like that can passively cool itself WITH overclocking.
I keep meaning to build a mineral oil cooled computer and keep chickening out.
Anyway, it has the virtue of being something you could seal and then take to the literal bottom of the ocean without worrying about a rupture.
That is pretty water proof.
Fine, we'll just go back to trade secrets.
That is what we had before patients. Companies simply kept information to themselves.
And a result of that was a much lower rate technological development because information was fragmented.
Look, if I come up with something... if I create something... why shouldn't I get rewarded for that? Why would you assume you have a right to take what I create and pay me nothing? Don't you see that I can't live or make that my job if I can't get paid? And if I can't get paid doing it, then that means I have to spend most of my time doing something else and only create in my spare time for FUN. You're going to get much less out of people if you do that then if you support them so they can produce stuff all the time. What is more, you're going to make sure that big companies and organizations spend basically no time creating anything. They'll make stuff but it won't be innovative because none of their own IP will be protected unless they keep it as a trade secret which means the secrets might be in a factory machine or something but never obvious in the final product.
The illogic of your position is just so fucking obvious... how can you not see how self destructive your position is here? You're cutting your dick off and saying "why is that a problem?".... well... I don't really mind if you want to live in a society like that. That is fine by me. I just don't want to live in your society then. I'll live in a society where IP is protected and you can live in one where it isn't. And we'll just see where that goes.
The demand for jobs didn't go down until the government did two things.
1. Ruined the finance market by manipulating prices which directly led to the 2008 collapse.
2. Started artificially increasing the cost of employing people.
You fuck with corporate and market finance and then raise the cost of labor... SHOCKER demand for labor falls as corporations act defensively to preserve capital.
Corps have lots of money and interested in hiring people. They just want competitive labor in a stable market.
Now here someone is going to say "I don't want to work 3rd world wages!"... no one does. The third world isn't paying them anymore these days. Wages in china are coming up fast. That said, the issue is not what you're paid but what the company pays TOTAL to produce goods or services in your country.
There are a lot of things the US can do to make its labor more competitive. There are a lot of good things about doing business in the US versus china. You just have to leverage those while minimizing the negatives.
Already we're getting manufacturing come BACK from china because those pros and cons balanced out.
I don't have to share my IP with you or anyone. I can make it and keep it for myself. Who's is it now?
And what incentive do I have to share it with you or make it if you're just going to jack it?
You're effectively justifying behavior that undermines the whole information economy. It's fucking retarded.
Wrong. The transition happened concurrently and that is a matter of historical record.
The pain and disruption came from people attempting to stay on farms or having a hard time transitioning to factory labor. They didn't have the correct skill sets. They had the wrong culture for the work. And it basically forced a lot of people to start all over again in life.
Which is hard. But tell me this... you want to go back to the farm? Want to turn the clock back and shuck hay all your life?
Tell me now? Yes or no?
Because if not... then don't fight the future. It is coming whether you like it or not. And this infantile talk of rebellion is little more then a temper tantrum.
You're going to lose your job because all human work is going through a transformative change that will inconvenience you?
Allow me to break out the smallest violin in the world. It will suck for many. No doubt. Change is hard. But we do have welfare and EBT cards and stuff if you're totally incapable or unwilling to change. So you won't literally starve.
And the following generations will adapt and the things will be better.
There's no point bitching about it. Its like complaining about the weather. Its going to happen whether you complain or not.
The chip itself was an unlicensed knock off that used the same drivers.
No mercy.
... If your students are critical thinkers.
Refusing to consider hypotheticals renders any conceptual discussion beyond your ability to analyze. You cannot talk about WHY things are the way they are if you cannot consider hypotheticals.
This is why politicians hate hypothetical questions because the actually address the consequences of their policies. They only want to talk about what is and what was. Never mind they're changing legislation all the time that will effect what will be. But if you talk about that before what will be "is" they refuse to talk about it until it "is".
The conflict is that you can't rationally project into the future. under that logic. And so you sacrifice any ability to tell me WHY things are they way they are or what things will be like in the future because YOU refuse to consider hypotheticals.
Its a dumb defense. Consider hypotheticals or you can't participate rationally in any discussion of this nature.
It isn't in the interest of the rich for the economy to crash. If they have all the money then you can't buy anything and the economy crashes.
It isn't in their interest for that to happen.
It works out best for everyone if everyone does well and at the same time... the rich do a bit better.
Violent revolution and slaughter isn't a natural consequence of economic change.
Consider that when we went into the industrial revolution millions of people that worked on farms lost their jobs. What did they do? They went to work in factories where they were generally better paid then they were on the farms and though there was some privation everything ultimately worked out better for everyone.
Before the industrial revolution, about 60-80 percent of the work force worked on a farm. Think about that. Today, in the US... that number is less then 3 percent. Think about that.
Which means in many existing industries you could see similar job loss. But at the same time, something else should open up. Likely in some sort of information segment of the economy. The jobs will be different.
And this will continue until robots are better at doing everything and anything then a human being.
What happens after that is anyone's guess. But until then I wouldn't worry too much about it. Our society in general will be enriched by automation enormously. And that wealth will be made available to the people as it always has in the past. Will the rich live better then you? Yep. But you'll live better then you're living now. So why complain?
If you steal my IP... and the government doesn't do their job and nail your butt to the wall... then I don't feel so bad about doing something nasty that screws up whomever is profiting from ripping me off.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion. But consider that we give the government a monopoly on violence in return for it agreeing to maintain justice and order. If it fails in either of those tasks then the contract is broken. Consider the wild west... government was not able to provide either justice or order. So you occasionally had to sort things out on your own when someone stole from you or threatened your life.
Likewise, a lot of this digital stuff is just beyond the government's ability or will to correct. So be it... wild west time. What people do is on their own conscience. You do it and own it.
One of the big reasons we haven't gone in for automation in much bigger way in the US is the high availability of illegal labor in the US. They're cheaper then robots in many cases at least with current technology... and a good deal more reliable and more capable.
Take the illegal labor out of the labor force and we would have heavily automated a decade ago at least.
So is the current drive for automation somewhat linked to the minimum wage hikes? Absolutely. The reality is that many jobs aren't worth more then people are being paid for them. Some of them are worth a good deal less but they simply must be done and so some people are over paid for them.
Automation is inevdiable and ultimately good for the economy. It will create new jobs for people that repair, manage, install, and build automation systems. It will also increase revenue dollars per capital dollars invested. And that wealth will open up money for new jobs.
Many people fear some dystopia where robots do everything and no one can get a job. But the reality is that money only has value in that you can buy things with it.
Which means those with money will need to spend it for it to have value. And that means if they get anything from people consenting to do what they want... people will have jobs.
They make use of the cell's own metabolic processes to reproduce which is their own bizarre form of eating. The cell is consumed in the process even if it consumes itself. Are they alive when they're outside an infected cell? Perhaps not... but then how alive is a frozen ice fish? When they enter a cell and start rewriting its DNA... it hard to not see the the will of the organism.
Beyond that, they do evolve.
I think it is problematic to classify strange forms of life as not being alive at all. Viruses are very different from all other known forms of life. But I think that is because they have everything extraneous stripped away from them.