I speak civilly and the callow philistines make fart jokes. I speak bluntly in a language they can understand and myopic protocol nazis like you attempt to brow beat me.
Is there possibly some way to get a point across on the internet without being labeled as inferior by one of you fucktards?
Point 1: To those that simply gainsay anything they don't understand... that is a cue for you to pay attention and learn.
Point 2: To those of you that feel protocol, form, and civility are more important then offering a relevant thought. What purpose are you actually serving there? The point of civility is that it makes smooth coordinated human action more sustainable. However, it requires a common cultural framework and respect. Absent that, it isn't even possible.
In any case... carry on... tell me why I'm inferior to you.
Thus other countries establish quarantine procedures.
Are you literally slower on the uptake here then an ignorant medieval city state prince? Because even they were able to connect these dots.
The whole region needs to be quarantined.
The issue is not travel restrictions to the US, though that is of course relevant as well. The issue is rather controlling population into and out of the hot zone to prevent the further spread of the infection.
Yes provide assistence. Yes aid workers. Yes work on a vaccine.
However, in the meantime do not fuck around with this disease and just assume you can kiss it on the mouth, give it tongue, and then expect to not die horribly shortly there after.
This disease is a proven killer. Show it some respect. That is all I am saying here. We are dealing with something dangerous. Like dealing with fire arms, explosives, toxic chemicals, or psychopaths. There are protocols. Please follow a couple.
What I am seeing is people play hackysack with granades and occasionally blow their fucking legs off... And that would really be just fine only that analogy ultimately includes my legs and the legs of my friends and family. The disease has not spread much beyond west africa at this point. We have isolated incidents beyond that but very few incidents of the disease actively spreading outside of west africa. That is good.
We cannot help the west africans if the disease spreads in the US or infects south america. If that happens our resources will focus internally. We will abandon the west africans entirely.
If you care about them you will first ensure that our own safety is secured. If our safety is threatened we will turtle and anyone that says otherwise will not be able to sustain their position politically.
You do not have a choice here. This is another lead/follow/get out of the way situation. You can either take the issue seriously. Follow the direction of those that wish to take it seriously. Or stand aside. One of these three things is happening.
Wrong. Aid workers from the US could return if they go through quarantine. And throughout that process they would receive our best medical care. However, having unrestricted travel between countries when there is a plague on the loose is moronic.
none of what google is asking is unreasonable in those situations.
What is more, it is in the public interest to accommodate new ISPs. The fact that these deals are more reasonable then what the monopolists pay is irrelevant. You get a monopoly and there are kickbacks flowing both ways. You get a more free market system and there is less room for that.
Do I need to bring up Centurylink? There are lots of examples if you're going to play the "big bad google" card.
Oh thank you so very much for digging some holes and putting creosote soaked logs into them for us to nail wires to... what ever would we do without you.
The public expense of putting up poles is actually paid for through franchise taxes that anyone that puts cables on the poles pay for... so actually they're not getting them for free. In fact, in most cases the fees paid by the franchises exceed the cost of maintaining them.
Google is being prevented from building out a fiber network in practically every city they try to build it.
They are stopped by local regulations.
I can cite several other would be competing ISPs that have filed similar complaints. Many of these complaints have been reported on this very website.
Use a search engine or I'll have to use that snarky "let me google that for you" site to show you want I'm talking about. And my fear there is that you might not take your righteous ribbing in good spirit... please... make an effort to inform yourself just a little bit. Just a little.
Just because two systems are structured differently doesn't mean they both can't be efficient. The world is full of many different ways of doing things. And many of them are competitive with each other.
The primary problem in the US is regional monopolies. They don't expand because they have no competition. And they don't lower prices because they have no competition.
So in OUR system the solution would be to increase competition by removing artificial barriers to new competitors which should drive down prices and improve services.
Modern carrier groups have weapons to drop anti ship missiles fired from 10 miles away. What is more, a mere 3 missiles could be stopped very easily by an Aegis Destroyer.
The missile you proposed has a max speed of about 700 MPH and entered service in the 1980s.
If that is the threat then the navy doesn't have to worry about it.
Possibly I have misunderstood what they are worried about... but it can't be some outdated french missile from the 80s fired at a range long enough for the prodigious missile defense systems of a carrier group to intercept.
I'll let you butt heads with your opposite political faction.
I don't really have any patience for either of you. You can both scream at each other until you pass out for all I care. Neither of you offer anything interesting to the discussion. And neither of you are especially credible. You both tend to pervert any discussion in any way you can think of to gain an advantage.
Ideally, you have to source all your equipment through third parties to disguise who is buying it which reduces the possibility it will be tampered with in the first place.
Once you do that, you might want to xray enclosed components that you cannot directly observe.
As to what I am doing? I am telling you that the NSA has used screen capture systems built into monitor cables. That isn't me just making that up. They do have such devices and they do use them.
So how do you deal with that? The Russian FSB went back to typewriters.
Political factions only care about the binary perspective because the only thing that matters to them is "US" or "THEM".
That's all they care about. It is a pissing contest between the factions. The science isn't especially relevant to either of them from what I can see. If the AGW issue were proved to be a non-issue scientifically a significant portion of the pro AGW lobby would still push it even though it were concluded. By the same token, the anti AGW lobby would still fight against AGW issues even if it were proven.
Neither side is going to back off on scientific grounds.
That assumes it is being trapped in the earth at all. Until you find out where it went, you can't say it is on earth at all. It could have been bounced back into space for all you know.
I am NOT saying it was bounced back into space. I am saying you need to find it before you can say it is still in the planet. You cannot merely assume with scientific authority that it is here. You would need empirical evidence of that point to hold that position. Absent knowing where the heat went you don't have that. Which means you have a hypothesis or an educated guess.
That is good. I like educated guesses. By all means, keep looking. You have my full support and approval for funding to keep looking. But until you find it... you haven't found it.
Not true, the NSA has a lot of tools for getting past air gaps. They have a long list of tools including screen capture cards built into computer monitor CABLES. So the cable itself has a tiny computer in it, that screen captures the monitor signal, and then broadcasts that signal in an encrypted format to a receiver in the area. And that is just the start.
So no.... air gapping is not enough. It is very good... and makes penetrating a network a lot harder. But physical security is still the first law.
You're not getting how cheap it is to run a tower. Serving a seven square mile area could cost less then 10 grand just in equipment. And that is a price that is falling along with everything else.
As to evangelicals being the majority of republicans, that is simply invalid.
As to voter regulation laws targeted at minorities... please cite the specific legislation and show where it disenfranchises minorities?
As to opposing affirmative action in education, there is more evidence that affirmative action actually hurts minorities in education by getting them into universities and they do not have the academic grades to succeed. Think about it with white people if this helps you... what if you just let white kids that couldn't normally get into Harvard get into Harvard? Lots of them would fail because they can't keep up with the course work. Same thing with the affirmative action programs. Beyond that, it is unfair to promote people based on race. If you are for racial equality then you should be against affirmative action. It is unreasonable to say this is discriminatory when in fact affirmative action discriminates against non-minorities.
As to LBGT, that is just the evangelicals again which I conceded at the start but pointed out they were their own kettle of fish.
As to the dream act, would the Mexican government allow Americans into their country on those terms with those rights? Are the mexicans therefore racist against white americans or is your position laughable? Pick one.
My understanding is that the transmission of heat would not be perfect and so if there were heat being sinked in the rock there should be residual heat in the water. The oceans are not after all super conductors. They must have a high resistance and that resistance would mean they would warm if they were subjected to a net increase in heat.
I am no expert either of course... so many that is all crap.:-)
It is very difficult to discuss this issue because about 30 percent of people only care about answers that prove AGW and end the discussion and another 30 percent of people only care about answers that disprove AGW and end the discussion. That means about 60 percent want AGW to not be talked about but rather concluded one way or the other. That leaves less then 40 percent that are actually curious about it and want to know more.
This makes posing questions and looking into the issue problematic because the 60 percent will attempt to shut down any discussion one way or the other. Those 30 percent figure are of course completely pulled out of my butt and they will shift around radically from one moment to the next. In some cases, I've been pretty sure it was over 90 percent of people in a discussion that simply didn't want anyone to talk about the issue at all. Just hordes of people shouting and browbeating everyone to try and silence everything.
Because that is what every new report is field of science that we don't actually understand.
And we don't. As regards global climate we have models and data but we don't really understand what is going on here. We never have. And that isn't to say that AGW isn't happening or is or anything one way or the other. But rather that it is extremely complicated and extremely confusing.
This article is going to make the anti AGW people feel vindicated just like the walrus thing made the pro AGW people feel vindicated. It is going to go back and forth. I'm sure tomorrow or the next day we'll get another report of something that backs up the AGW side and this article will just be forgotten.
That is just the politics. For those of us that don't care about the politics... this should just be interesting.
So what we get here is that the heat predicted by the models is still missing.
That is interesting. So we should keep looking for it. And until it is found those supporting the climate models that require that heat to be somewhere really should be some what humble about their position until the heat is found. Which is reasonable. But assuming they don't want to do that for whatever reason... Whatever. We're going to respond to this issue however makes best sense to each of us.
For me... I'm going to take with a grain of salt anything someone says when they don't show what I feel to be a reasonable amount of humility on an issue they cannot claim to fully understand. By all means... form your own opinions.
For me... this is just another interesting data point. I await more.
JPL just compared deep ocean temps with what they were in 2005 and found there is no warming. So the deep oceans are not warming.
This means the "missing heat" issue remains a problem for the people working on these climate models. And this "may have"... "suggests" that maybe the reason the heat is missing is because there isn't actually any warming. Think I'm wrong? Where it is the heat?
Because if they're post docs in some liberal arts pursuit... then they're not really anything society can use. We never needed many such people and if we trained lots of them then they're going to have to get other jobs... anyway.
If they're in STEM fields then they are useful but they're going to have to justify themselves to industry... not government.
that doesn't even make sense because a team of american coders could half ass it as well as anyone else. And they're not hiring AAA programmers from india so why not hire AA or A coders from the US IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT? I mean, these are US tax payer funded programs half the time. Why the hell is the government doing that when they keep talking about boosting the economy and saying they want more tech jobs. Then they off shore US jobs for no god damn reason.
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I speak civilly and the callow philistines make fart jokes. I speak bluntly in a language they can understand and myopic protocol nazis like you attempt to brow beat me.
Is there possibly some way to get a point across on the internet without being labeled as inferior by one of you fucktards?
Point 1: To those that simply gainsay anything they don't understand... that is a cue for you to pay attention and learn.
Point 2: To those of you that feel protocol, form, and civility are more important then offering a relevant thought. What purpose are you actually serving there? The point of civility is that it makes smooth coordinated human action more sustainable. However, it requires a common cultural framework and respect. Absent that, it isn't even possible.
In any case... carry on... tell me why I'm inferior to you.
*chuckles*
Thus other countries establish quarantine procedures.
Are you literally slower on the uptake here then an ignorant medieval city state prince? Because even they were able to connect these dots.
The whole region needs to be quarantined.
The issue is not travel restrictions to the US, though that is of course relevant as well. The issue is rather controlling population into and out of the hot zone to prevent the further spread of the infection.
Yes provide assistence. Yes aid workers. Yes work on a vaccine.
However, in the meantime do not fuck around with this disease and just assume you can kiss it on the mouth, give it tongue, and then expect to not die horribly shortly there after.
This disease is a proven killer. Show it some respect. That is all I am saying here. We are dealing with something dangerous. Like dealing with fire arms, explosives, toxic chemicals, or psychopaths. There are protocols. Please follow a couple.
What I am seeing is people play hackysack with granades and occasionally blow their fucking legs off... And that would really be just fine only that analogy ultimately includes my legs and the legs of my friends and family. The disease has not spread much beyond west africa at this point. We have isolated incidents beyond that but very few incidents of the disease actively spreading outside of west africa. That is good.
We cannot help the west africans if the disease spreads in the US or infects south america. If that happens our resources will focus internally. We will abandon the west africans entirely.
If you care about them you will first ensure that our own safety is secured. If our safety is threatened we will turtle and anyone that says otherwise will not be able to sustain their position politically.
You do not have a choice here. This is another lead/follow/get out of the way situation. You can either take the issue seriously. Follow the direction of those that wish to take it seriously. Or stand aside. One of these three things is happening.
Wrong. Aid workers from the US could return if they go through quarantine. And throughout that process they would receive our best medical care. However, having unrestricted travel between countries when there is a plague on the loose is moronic.
Moronic... an opinion morons have.
That isn't helpful though. That just annoys them which gets them defensive and gets them fighting you.
Both sides need to pay the opposition enough respect to avoid hostilities and then just do the science.
none of what google is asking is unreasonable in those situations.
What is more, it is in the public interest to accommodate new ISPs. The fact that these deals are more reasonable then what the monopolists pay is irrelevant. You get a monopoly and there are kickbacks flowing both ways. You get a more free market system and there is less room for that.
Do I need to bring up Centurylink? There are lots of examples if you're going to play the "big bad google" card.
Oh thank you so very much for digging some holes and putting creosote soaked logs into them for us to nail wires to... what ever would we do without you.
The public expense of putting up poles is actually paid for through franchise taxes that anyone that puts cables on the poles pay for... so actually they're not getting them for free. In fact, in most cases the fees paid by the franchises exceed the cost of maintaining them.
So no.
Google is being prevented from building out a fiber network in practically every city they try to build it.
They are stopped by local regulations.
I can cite several other would be competing ISPs that have filed similar complaints. Many of these complaints have been reported on this very website.
Use a search engine or I'll have to use that snarky "let me google that for you" site to show you want I'm talking about. And my fear there is that you might not take your righteous ribbing in good spirit... please... make an effort to inform yourself just a little bit. Just a little.
Just because two systems are structured differently doesn't mean they both can't be efficient. The world is full of many different ways of doing things. And many of them are competitive with each other.
The primary problem in the US is regional monopolies. They don't expand because they have no competition. And they don't lower prices because they have no competition.
So in OUR system the solution would be to increase competition by removing artificial barriers to new competitors which should drive down prices and improve services.
Modern carrier groups have weapons to drop anti ship missiles fired from 10 miles away. What is more, a mere 3 missiles could be stopped very easily by an Aegis Destroyer.
The missile you proposed has a max speed of about 700 MPH and entered service in the 1980s.
If that is the threat then the navy doesn't have to worry about it.
Possibly I have misunderstood what they are worried about... but it can't be some outdated french missile from the 80s fired at a range long enough for the prodigious missile defense systems of a carrier group to intercept.
I'll let you butt heads with your opposite political faction.
I don't really have any patience for either of you. You can both scream at each other until you pass out for all I care. Neither of you offer anything interesting to the discussion. And neither of you are especially credible. You both tend to pervert any discussion in any way you can think of to gain an advantage.
You're both sophists. I have no interest in you.
You're making an argument that monopolistic corporations are more efficient and provide a better cheaper service to the consumer.
Checkmate.
Good day, sir.
I am aware of both positions and they've both got a lot of problems.
I won't get into it here. My position is that we just should keep doing the science and keep collecting the data.
The politics are the politics. They'll be whatever they will be.
I'm more interested in the science for the science.
I don't care if AGW is or is not happening. I just want to follow each little mystery to its source.
Ideally, you have to source all your equipment through third parties to disguise who is buying it which reduces the possibility it will be tampered with in the first place.
Once you do that, you might want to xray enclosed components that you cannot directly observe.
As to what I am doing? I am telling you that the NSA has used screen capture systems built into monitor cables. That isn't me just making that up. They do have such devices and they do use them.
So how do you deal with that? The Russian FSB went back to typewriters.
http://www.globalpost.com/disp...
So what does that tell you?
Political factions only care about the binary perspective because the only thing that matters to them is "US" or "THEM".
That's all they care about. It is a pissing contest between the factions. The science isn't especially relevant to either of them from what I can see. If the AGW issue were proved to be a non-issue scientifically a significant portion of the pro AGW lobby would still push it even though it were concluded. By the same token, the anti AGW lobby would still fight against AGW issues even if it were proven.
Neither side is going to back off on scientific grounds.
That assumes it is being trapped in the earth at all. Until you find out where it went, you can't say it is on earth at all. It could have been bounced back into space for all you know.
I am NOT saying it was bounced back into space. I am saying you need to find it before you can say it is still in the planet. You cannot merely assume with scientific authority that it is here. You would need empirical evidence of that point to hold that position. Absent knowing where the heat went you don't have that. Which means you have a hypothesis or an educated guess.
That is good. I like educated guesses. By all means, keep looking. You have my full support and approval for funding to keep looking. But until you find it... you haven't found it.
It is precisely that attitude, which is found on BOTH sides, which makes it very hard to actually discuss the issue.
You're part of the problem. ;-)
Not true, the NSA has a lot of tools for getting past air gaps. They have a long list of tools including screen capture cards built into computer monitor CABLES. So the cable itself has a tiny computer in it, that screen captures the monitor signal, and then broadcasts that signal in an encrypted format to a receiver in the area. And that is just the start.
So no.... air gapping is not enough. It is very good... and makes penetrating a network a lot harder. But physical security is still the first law.
You're not getting how cheap it is to run a tower. Serving a seven square mile area could cost less then 10 grand just in equipment. And that is a price that is falling along with everything else.
As to evangelicals being the majority of republicans, that is simply invalid.
As to voter regulation laws targeted at minorities... please cite the specific legislation and show where it disenfranchises minorities?
As to opposing affirmative action in education, there is more evidence that affirmative action actually hurts minorities in education by getting them into universities and they do not have the academic grades to succeed. Think about it with white people if this helps you... what if you just let white kids that couldn't normally get into Harvard get into Harvard? Lots of them would fail because they can't keep up with the course work. Same thing with the affirmative action programs. Beyond that, it is unfair to promote people based on race. If you are for racial equality then you should be against affirmative action. It is unreasonable to say this is discriminatory when in fact affirmative action discriminates against non-minorities.
As to LBGT, that is just the evangelicals again which I conceded at the start but pointed out they were their own kettle of fish.
As to the dream act, would the Mexican government allow Americans into their country on those terms with those rights? Are the mexicans therefore racist against white americans or is your position laughable? Pick one.
We're beyond trusting these people. Secure your systems and assume the worst.
My understanding is that the transmission of heat would not be perfect and so if there were heat being sinked in the rock there should be residual heat in the water. The oceans are not after all super conductors. They must have a high resistance and that resistance would mean they would warm if they were subjected to a net increase in heat.
I am no expert either of course... so many that is all crap. :-)
It is very difficult to discuss this issue because about 30 percent of people only care about answers that prove AGW and end the discussion and another 30 percent of people only care about answers that disprove AGW and end the discussion. That means about 60 percent want AGW to not be talked about but rather concluded one way or the other. That leaves less then 40 percent that are actually curious about it and want to know more.
This makes posing questions and looking into the issue problematic because the 60 percent will attempt to shut down any discussion one way or the other. Those 30 percent figure are of course completely pulled out of my butt and they will shift around radically from one moment to the next. In some cases, I've been pretty sure it was over 90 percent of people in a discussion that simply didn't want anyone to talk about the issue at all. Just hordes of people shouting and browbeating everyone to try and silence everything.
Because that is what every new report is field of science that we don't actually understand.
And we don't. As regards global climate we have models and data but we don't really understand what is going on here. We never have. And that isn't to say that AGW isn't happening or is or anything one way or the other. But rather that it is extremely complicated and extremely confusing.
This article is going to make the anti AGW people feel vindicated just like the walrus thing made the pro AGW people feel vindicated. It is going to go back and forth. I'm sure tomorrow or the next day we'll get another report of something that backs up the AGW side and this article will just be forgotten.
That is just the politics. For those of us that don't care about the politics... this should just be interesting.
So what we get here is that the heat predicted by the models is still missing.
That is interesting. So we should keep looking for it. And until it is found those supporting the climate models that require that heat to be somewhere really should be some what humble about their position until the heat is found. Which is reasonable. But assuming they don't want to do that for whatever reason... Whatever. We're going to respond to this issue however makes best sense to each of us.
For me... I'm going to take with a grain of salt anything someone says when they don't show what I feel to be a reasonable amount of humility on an issue they cannot claim to fully understand. By all means... form your own opinions.
For me... this is just another interesting data point. I await more.
Turns out "may have"... and "suggests" turns out to be "is not" ... "there"...
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/n...
JPL just compared deep ocean temps with what they were in 2005 and found there is no warming. So the deep oceans are not warming.
This means the "missing heat" issue remains a problem for the people working on these climate models. And this "may have" ... "suggests" that maybe the reason the heat is missing is because there isn't actually any warming. Think I'm wrong? Where it is the heat?
Because if they're post docs in some liberal arts pursuit... then they're not really anything society can use. We never needed many such people and if we trained lots of them then they're going to have to get other jobs... anyway.
If they're in STEM fields then they are useful but they're going to have to justify themselves to industry... not government.
that doesn't even make sense because a team of american coders could half ass it as well as anyone else. And they're not hiring AAA programmers from india so why not hire AA or A coders from the US IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT? I mean, these are US tax payer funded programs half the time. Why the hell is the government doing that when they keep talking about boosting the economy and saying they want more tech jobs. Then they off shore US jobs for no god damn reason.
It is inexplicable.