Exactly. That's the only sort of digital system I would trust to run something like a core banking system or a power grid.
I am familiar with the computers that handle credit transfers at banks. Very very simple machines. Very powerful but very simple. They can process millions of transactions very easily but that is the ONLY thing they do... nothing else. They can't get viruses. Their programming is hardcoded. They can't even get stuxnet. Too simple.
management looks to programmers to do things. When programmers get old they often get tired and slow. That is when management starts getting the blades sharpened.
Its too bad because most programmers after a long career are at least suited to move up into management themselves if only overseeing other programmers.
As to modern plants requiring remote control, I would look at that very carefully and do my best to limit it.
Most plants are manned 24/7. There's no reason those plants couldn't take directions from grid operators and manually throttle the plant up or down. Sure, the standby diesel plants might throttle up and down a lot but most of the large coal, hydro, etc plants tend to hold a given output.
As to insiders hacking the system, there is no solution to that issue so that's a bullshit counter argument. An inside man can always screw anything up. An inside man could murder anyone in the world. The best protected world leader in the world... dead to a bullet to the brain. So you know what, if the inside man can do that, then I'm not going to worry too much about that because that's clearly just about impossible to solve.
What I am going to worry about is if some jackass in Croatia can remote into my utility and tell the damn thing to play the theme for starwars by rapidly throttling the generator up and down.
The automation and remoting is nice. But it often isn't worth the risk. For major multi billion dollar power facilities they can afford to have ONE person there on staff that manually throttles the system. That doesn't sound unreasonable.
Classes and tutorials are not what got you there. You did things.
Name a program you could make in C or perl that you know well. Now try one of the new languages you wish to learn and set the goal of making that program in that language.
Then do it.
You'll have to look up syntax etc for every little operation. But you'll learn. And once you know how to do that you'll have the confidence and core knowledge to bootstrap yourself further.
The hubris of some thinking that everything can be linked to the internet while maintaining acceptable security is ignorant.
Some systems need to be air gapped. And some core systems just need to be too simple to hack. I'm not saying analog. Merely so simple that we can actually say with certainty that there is no coding exploit. That means programs short enough that the code can be completely audited and made unhackable.
Between airgapping and keeping core systems too simple to hack... we'll be safe from complete infiltration.
Learn to adapt or its hard to feel very sorry for you. Some places are played out. Some places have nothing to offer you.
Leave those places or accept the suck.
That is all you can control. You can't fix the f'ed up government. You can't fix the f'ed up corporations. You can't fix the f'ed up culture. What you can do is decide what part of the planet you're on.
Sure you can. My family has moved many times. Pretty much every generation has moved and some generations have moved a couple times starting over completely every time.
We went from starving in europe under various forms of oppression to being middle class in America. And while here we've had ups and downs but typically moving signaled the beginning of a new chance and we have tended to do much better after a move. Often going into completely different businesses or lines of work. And we've generally prospered after a move.
If you root yourself to one spot then why did you come to the US in the first place? How did you come here if people don't move?
Learn to move. Learn to adapt.
The reason most places we live are so tough is that they have little to offer us.
Fine. Look at the world. Someplace wants you. Go there.
What? Other countries have more restrictive immigration policy then the US? But I thought we were the bigots!?
You make a good point... it should be used when immigration reform is brought up.
Reciprocal immigration policy would be pretty funny. Mexico would suddenly have to reform their visa process and the whole "you're racist" argument would evaporate.
Regardless, you can work other places. Expand your search to beyond where you live right now. It isn't reasonable to think that area is going to be a good job market forever.
He didn't do it for fame. he didn't do it for power. He didn't do it for money.
He did it for us.
The NSA was lying to the American people and to congress. And snowden blew the whistle on that for us all.
And this is so far what he gets as thanks.
Can't wait for the current group of crooks to get sunsetted out of office so the next batch can save face by granting the guy amnesty.
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I mean calls weren't being recognized at all. They weren't in the spam filter or anything. Just not recognized. And the people issuing them weren't on any spam list. My parents for example couldn't call me from their home phone. It would direct to voice mail and then not be recorded.
It didn't do that initially but at some point it started not recognizing some calls from some people and that was just not acceptable.
Very sad about it. Because I really like voice mail transcription. But I can't have calls be lost like that.
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Every so often it would just not record a call at all. Which meant people left me messages and I had no clue.
I LOVE voicemail transcription. In fact, I wish they'd just get rid of voice mail entirely and make everything text. But at the very least, carriers should offer voice mail to text messaging. It can't cost anything. The computing power is marginal and the text costs are zero.
... They were warned. The US should have kept control of the internet, however... there was a price. And that was respecting the authority they were given and not abuse it.
They did... just as they have abused every other position.
Top to bottom, the US federal government is out of control. Abusing state rights. Abusing individual rights. Running roughshod over allies. Even abusing the separation of powers thus violating their own rights.
Its a general lack of respect. They think they don't have to follow any rules. They make the rules we have to follow. But for them... there is no law... there is no ethics... there is no morality... there is no honor.
I'm sorry... but the US federal government needs an enema.
Right now someone feels I'm attacking their political faction. I'm not. This isn't an attack on any particular political faction. They're all fine and terrible in equal amounts. However, that isn't the problem. The ideology is not the problem. Its the actual people that are there.
It was said by one that absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that's wrong... I think another person said it better when they said that power attracts the corruptable. And that is what we have in government now. They need to find work outside of politics. With very few exceptions they're all compromised.
The alternative is simply taking what happened here to the internet to a greater extreme throughout everything else hte government does... eg they need to lose control of more things.
The FAA recently lost a court case to regulate private drones. That's good... we need more of that. The FDA needs to lose some cases about their interference with drug companies because they're causing shortages and causing prices to increase.
Sure I did... I made my point in the first post and repeatedly to you most of my responses.
The logic has been laid out plainly such that a child could grasp it. That you haven't can only be explained by either profound cognitive dissonance or intentional obtuseness.
Either way, I've lead the horse to water... and you've chosen not to drink. So be it.
Yes, we do. Not all of it is in the state. We import power from Arizona etc and that is mostly coal power.
The logic is very easy to follow. A small child shouldn't have any difficulty with this but you apparently are having a very hard time.
A coal plant or a nuclear plant can be run all day all night all seasons of the year.
Can solar do that? No.
Can wind do that? No.
So the slack has to be picked up.
And there are times when there is no or very little solar power in them middle of the day. And there are days without wind. Which means even in the middle of the day... your peak power issue that you brought up... even then the back up has to be able to meet the FULL demand of the system.
And that means that renewables need to be backed 100 percent by reliable power generators.
Then I'd terminate the program outright and task those engineers with helping on curiosity.
I'm sorry, but this project has largely run its useful course. It is now a curio. Let the universities play with it and maintain its budget. NASA can afford the transmitter time. Beyond that, let private funding handle it.
NASA's budget isn't big enough to sustain these macguffins.
The universities don't have a problem with export control. They used export controlled technology all the time.
Give the program to another institution that wants it and is willing to pay for the upkeep on it. The budget will be less then 13 million a year. But it should be enough to keep it going. The grad students would likely be very grateful to get access to the program if only for the experience.
NASA should be done with this thing. 13 million is money they can spend doing something else.
Everything being used is likely fixed and in use on or orbiting mars. The only things beyond that would be the transmitter/receiver on/above earth, the control room, and whatever you're paying the engineers to run it.
So of that, the only thing that should really cost money is the engineer's time... and I would think at this point you could get volunteers to do it.
Sorry, NASA's budget has no room for fat. These little projects add up to being a significant portion of a budget. I think the project should be maintained. But all the fat needs to be trimmed. Additionally, solicit donations and consider relocating the control room somewhere cheaper. Possibly a university somewhere would be happy to have graduate students control it and would pay most of the costs associated with maintaining it. After all, all the expensive stuff was already completed.
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Exactly. That's the only sort of digital system I would trust to run something like a core banking system or a power grid.
I am familiar with the computers that handle credit transfers at banks. Very very simple machines. Very powerful but very simple. They can process millions of transactions very easily but that is the ONLY thing they do... nothing else. They can't get viruses. Their programming is hardcoded. They can't even get stuxnet. Too simple.
That is how you do it.
management looks to programmers to do things. When programmers get old they often get tired and slow. That is when management starts getting the blades sharpened.
Its too bad because most programmers after a long career are at least suited to move up into management themselves if only overseeing other programmers.
As to modern plants requiring remote control, I would look at that very carefully and do my best to limit it.
Most plants are manned 24/7. There's no reason those plants couldn't take directions from grid operators and manually throttle the plant up or down. Sure, the standby diesel plants might throttle up and down a lot but most of the large coal, hydro, etc plants tend to hold a given output.
As to insiders hacking the system, there is no solution to that issue so that's a bullshit counter argument. An inside man can always screw anything up. An inside man could murder anyone in the world. The best protected world leader in the world... dead to a bullet to the brain. So you know what, if the inside man can do that, then I'm not going to worry too much about that because that's clearly just about impossible to solve.
What I am going to worry about is if some jackass in Croatia can remote into my utility and tell the damn thing to play the theme for starwars by rapidly throttling the generator up and down.
Sort of like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Only with brown outs.
The automation and remoting is nice. But it often isn't worth the risk. For major multi billion dollar power facilities they can afford to have ONE person there on staff that manually throttles the system. That doesn't sound unreasonable.
You have 18 years of learning by doing.
Classes and tutorials are not what got you there. You did things.
Name a program you could make in C or perl that you know well. Now try one of the new languages you wish to learn and set the goal of making that program in that language.
Then do it.
You'll have to look up syntax etc for every little operation. But you'll learn. And once you know how to do that you'll have the confidence and core knowledge to bootstrap yourself further.
The hubris of some thinking that everything can be linked to the internet while maintaining acceptable security is ignorant.
Some systems need to be air gapped. And some core systems just need to be too simple to hack. I'm not saying analog. Merely so simple that we can actually say with certainty that there is no coding exploit. That means programs short enough that the code can be completely audited and made unhackable.
Between airgapping and keeping core systems too simple to hack... we'll be safe from complete infiltration.
Since you're apparently utterly dependent on someone giving you everything, you should be happy to hear you'll soon be on welfare.
Congratulations.
Who said it was easy?
They took risks, were clever about it, and worked hard.
Fuck you.
Learn to adapt or its hard to feel very sorry for you. Some places are played out. Some places have nothing to offer you.
Leave those places or accept the suck.
That is all you can control. You can't fix the f'ed up government. You can't fix the f'ed up corporations. You can't fix the f'ed up culture. What you can do is decide what part of the planet you're on.
Choose.
Sure you can. My family has moved many times. Pretty much every generation has moved and some generations have moved a couple times starting over completely every time.
We went from starving in europe under various forms of oppression to being middle class in America. And while here we've had ups and downs but typically moving signaled the beginning of a new chance and we have tended to do much better after a move. Often going into completely different businesses or lines of work. And we've generally prospered after a move.
If you root yourself to one spot then why did you come to the US in the first place? How did you come here if people don't move?
Learn to move. Learn to adapt.
The reason most places we live are so tough is that they have little to offer us.
Fine. Look at the world. Someplace wants you. Go there.
What? Other countries have more restrictive immigration policy then the US? But I thought we were the bigots!?
You make a good point... it should be used when immigration reform is brought up.
Reciprocal immigration policy would be pretty funny. Mexico would suddenly have to reform their visa process and the whole "you're racist" argument would evaporate.
Regardless, you can work other places. Expand your search to beyond where you live right now. It isn't reasonable to think that area is going to be a good job market forever.
The real solution is to move.
The jobs aren't where they were before... Look at the entire planet when you do a job search and see things in a new light.
He didn't do it for fame. he didn't do it for power. He didn't do it for money.
He did it for us.
The NSA was lying to the American people and to congress. And snowden blew the whistle on that for us all.
And this is so far what he gets as thanks.
Can't wait for the current group of crooks to get sunsetted out of office so the next batch can save face by granting the guy amnesty.
I mean calls weren't being recognized at all. They weren't in the spam filter or anything. Just not recognized. And the people issuing them weren't on any spam list. My parents for example couldn't call me from their home phone. It would direct to voice mail and then not be recorded.
It didn't do that initially but at some point it started not recognizing some calls from some people and that was just not acceptable.
Very sad about it. Because I really like voice mail transcription. But I can't have calls be lost like that.
Every so often it would just not record a call at all. Which meant people left me messages and I had no clue.
I LOVE voicemail transcription. In fact, I wish they'd just get rid of voice mail entirely and make everything text. But at the very least, carriers should offer voice mail to text messaging. It can't cost anything. The computing power is marginal and the text costs are zero.
... They were warned. The US should have kept control of the internet, however... there was a price. And that was respecting the authority they were given and not abuse it.
They did... just as they have abused every other position.
Top to bottom, the US federal government is out of control. Abusing state rights. Abusing individual rights. Running roughshod over allies. Even abusing the separation of powers thus violating their own rights.
Its a general lack of respect. They think they don't have to follow any rules. They make the rules we have to follow. But for them... there is no law... there is no ethics... there is no morality... there is no honor.
I'm sorry... but the US federal government needs an enema.
Right now someone feels I'm attacking their political faction. I'm not. This isn't an attack on any particular political faction. They're all fine and terrible in equal amounts. However, that isn't the problem. The ideology is not the problem. Its the actual people that are there.
It was said by one that absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that's wrong... I think another person said it better when they said that power attracts the corruptable. And that is what we have in government now. They need to find work outside of politics. With very few exceptions they're all compromised.
The alternative is simply taking what happened here to the internet to a greater extreme throughout everything else hte government does... eg they need to lose control of more things.
The FAA recently lost a court case to regulate private drones. That's good... we need more of that. The FDA needs to lose some cases about their interference with drug companies because they're causing shortages and causing prices to increase.
There are many examples. They're bad for society.
You offered no evidence and I did. You lose.
Whether you accept it or not. You are merely debasing yourself by continuing to struggle.
But given that they're doing everything in their power to kick out google and face book... I don't see it.
Stop pretending you didn't lose horribly. Its pathetic and it makes me feel sorry for you.
You have cited NOTHING. As such your evidence in this matter is null.
You get nothing.
Good day, sir.
Sure I did... I made my point in the first post and repeatedly to you most of my responses.
The logic has been laid out plainly such that a child could grasp it. That you haven't can only be explained by either profound cognitive dissonance or intentional obtuseness.
Either way, I've lead the horse to water... and you've chosen not to drink. So be it.
Good day, sir.
Yes, we do. Not all of it is in the state. We import power from Arizona etc and that is mostly coal power.
The logic is very easy to follow. A small child shouldn't have any difficulty with this but you apparently are having a very hard time.
A coal plant or a nuclear plant can be run all day all night all seasons of the year.
Can solar do that? No.
Can wind do that? No.
So the slack has to be picked up.
And there are times when there is no or very little solar power in them middle of the day. And there are days without wind. Which means even in the middle of the day... your peak power issue that you brought up... even then the back up has to be able to meet the FULL demand of the system.
And that means that renewables need to be backed 100 percent by reliable power generators.
The logic is obvious.
Even captain obvious gets it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
I made a point, I backed my point up with evidence. You responded with contradiction, no evidence, and stupid insults.
You lose.
Good day, sir.
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Then I'd terminate the program outright and task those engineers with helping on curiosity.
I'm sorry, but this project has largely run its useful course. It is now a curio. Let the universities play with it and maintain its budget. NASA can afford the transmitter time. Beyond that, let private funding handle it.
NASA's budget isn't big enough to sustain these macguffins.
The universities don't have a problem with export control. They used export controlled technology all the time.
Give the program to another institution that wants it and is willing to pay for the upkeep on it. The budget will be less then 13 million a year. But it should be enough to keep it going. The grad students would likely be very grateful to get access to the program if only for the experience.
NASA should be done with this thing. 13 million is money they can spend doing something else.
What is the expense of this thing at this point?
Everything being used is likely fixed and in use on or orbiting mars. The only things beyond that would be the transmitter/receiver on/above earth, the control room, and whatever you're paying the engineers to run it.
So of that, the only thing that should really cost money is the engineer's time... and I would think at this point you could get volunteers to do it.
Sorry, NASA's budget has no room for fat. These little projects add up to being a significant portion of a budget. I think the project should be maintained. But all the fat needs to be trimmed. Additionally, solicit donations and consider relocating the control room somewhere cheaper. Possibly a university somewhere would be happy to have graduate students control it and would pay most of the costs associated with maintaining it. After all, all the expensive stuff was already completed.
Farm it out to someone with room in their budget.