I didn't offer a concession. My previous points stand refuted. Come at me from a different angle and I reserve the right to reposition dynamically.
As to your response about where it stops... That's an evasion.
By your own rhetorical rules, that means you concede that point... right? Or will you contradict yourself by adopting my rules?
As to communism versus anarchy. That's a good question. Does it? Do you not charge me with being in league with anarchy?
What I want is freedom. I want you to leave me alone unless you absolutely need to put your hands upon me. And even then, I want that subject to due process.
I agree. Beyond that, I would say some of these ratings might have hidden costs. If MS was just paying money for it then that might be one thing. But what if the condition is having a back door put into the product. At this point, who trusts them?
We are not all equally responsible for the system. Some of us have had more influence over various factors. We don't all live in the same communities either.
My America has much better statistics. Other americas are worse. But I have no control over how they run things and I won't have it said that my way of doing things is wrong when in fact things are only really going well in areas people like me have influence.
In short, it isn't reasonable to average all US statistics and compare them against other countries that have much more uniform statistics with less diverse demographics.
The US is full of Americans and Switzerland is full of Swiss people. Fill the US with swiss people with the same system and our stats would get a lot better.
Various demographics pull average US stats down. That doesn't mean our system is bad. It means those demographics have problems. They would have problems in pretty much any system. They are troubled communities. Just a reality.
exactly... a DoD certification might not be a good thing any more. It was once a mark of pride. Something a company could point to as a feather in their cap. But now? It means the feds have gone through it. And that might mean they left something behind.
Our system doesn't create the inner city slums. They're largely a product of YOUR social engineering over the last 60 years. The demographics in those communities has not gotten better. It has gotten worse.
But if you get away from places you control utterly... the numbers get better.
My argument in short is that your ideology rots everything it touches.
Look at Detroit. Meth labs and roving packs of dogs in the urban streets.
What was it like before Lindon Johnson's "great society" project?
And what did that do?
What was Detroit before you agitated the unions into uncompetitive labor practices?
STOP.
THINK.
Where is the country growing. Where are we prospering? Where do you find success stories? In democrat controlled zones? Nope. Exclusively in our backyard.
Your a society of failures, liars, con men, and fools.
Its a rational response to an out of control tax and spend system.
People... any people... are not going to put up with it.
In the US they mostly try to get the laws changed and the taxes set to reasonable levels so that everyone can do their jobs and no one needs to play games.
In much of europe that battle was lost which means the laws are frequently unreasonable and as a result people don't try to deal with the system reasonably. Instead, they bore wormholes through it and try as much as possible to simply avoid it.
This is most common in Italy but you see it in France and germany as well.
Set the tax rates at reasonable levels and people will pay them. Be unreasonable and people are going to subvert the system. Its that or death. We really don't have a choice on the matter.
Be reasonable or be treated like you're unreasonable.
But don't pretend that Hitler didn't want to take it. He asked his generals to war game it. They came back with very nasty loss projections.
In the end, the Nazis just said it wasn't worth it. But that was because the Swiss made it not worth it.
A better example of a country trying and failing would be the Dutch. As usual when invaded, they broke their dikes. It slowed the germans down a little. But ultimately it wasn't enough.
The real failure was in dissolving the armies after WW1.
Old Roman maxim... If you desire peace, prepare for war.
The swiss have been making a fortune by acting as a tax evasion haven for Europeans. The dirty little hypocrites have been saying one thing and doing another for generations. And I apply that to most of the EU.
So the Swiss start expanding their game to US clients and shockingly the US IRS isn't as willing to play that game.
We're always told about the taxes in europe. But one of the secrets is that the tax enforcement agencies in europe are a joke compared to the IRS. Income in France for example is negotiable. That is you can bargain about what your income actually was that year. The IRS isn't interested in your bargains. They want to know what you made and on what and when. The IRS is not f'ing around. True, they're getting scammed pretty hard by the multi nationals but its unclear as to why that is happening. It could be bribery or it could be just getting out played. I suspect they're mostly getting out played. The Multinationals like to bury bureaucracies in details until their eyes bleed. IBM famously gave the government something like 5 million documents in a court case involving monopoly charges. Case went on for a decade because the government had to read through all the documents. Which took hundreds of people that whole time. By the time the government got around to making a case it was too late and no one cared anymore.
Microsoft did the same thing. Enron TRIED to do the same thing but it didn't work.
If you filter out all the demographics that live in the US but not in france and all the demographics that live in france but not in the US then recompare... you'll find the US does quite well actually.
US stats in general are brought down by several urban ghettos that have terrible statistics. Awful. Heroin addicts. Obesity. Murder rate. Unemployment. Illiteracy.
Any stat you can think of from that segment is terrible. And it is that group when averaged into the US stats that bring our numbers down.
What is more, there are a lot of stats that are calculated differently. Infant mortality rate for example in the US is calculated differently. In most countries including France, it doesn't count as an infant mortality unless the baby has been alive for a few days.
In the US the stats are calculated AT birth. So for example, the US has MUCH better infant mortality stats then any other country in the world because our stats are comparable despite being a great deal more strict. If you applied the same standard to French stats their infant morality numbers would change.
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Tell me Anonymous Coward, what did I miss?
I can speak like a drunken sailor and be utterly scientific or speak in ideal erudite diction and be utterly unscientific.
Further they're talking about the perception of science which is itself unscientific since perception isn't scientifically relevant.
DRAT FOILED AGAIN!
We can't have things like this... at the same time... I do support the legalization of drugs and I do feel we need more economic freedom.
That said... you can't have people buying hit men on the dark web.
Pick one.
... un-refuted... typo.
I didn't offer a concession. My previous points stand refuted. Come at me from a different angle and I reserve the right to reposition dynamically.
As to your response about where it stops... That's an evasion.
By your own rhetorical rules, that means you concede that point... right? Or will you contradict yourself by adopting my rules?
As to communism versus anarchy. That's a good question. Does it? Do you not charge me with being in league with anarchy?
What I want is freedom. I want you to leave me alone unless you absolutely need to put your hands upon me. And even then, I want that subject to due process.
Short of that, take your f'ing hands off me.
That is my policy. Back off, mother fucker.
Its sad watching this play out...
I agree. Beyond that, I would say some of these ratings might have hidden costs. If MS was just paying money for it then that might be one thing. But what if the condition is having a back door put into the product. At this point, who trusts them?
Where does it stop? Why not go full communist?
And if you would stop it at some point... why?
Once you understand the limits and the rules you'll realize you already went too far.
I suspect that would increase maintenance costs.
THe issue is the screen before the intake is clogged right?
Okay... what about another screen well away from that one with a much larger surface area...
That fixes the problem right? Right... okay. Do that.
We are not all equally responsible for the system. Some of us have had more influence over various factors. We don't all live in the same communities either.
My America has much better statistics. Other americas are worse. But I have no control over how they run things and I won't have it said that my way of doing things is wrong when in fact things are only really going well in areas people like me have influence.
In short, it isn't reasonable to average all US statistics and compare them against other countries that have much more uniform statistics with less diverse demographics.
The US is full of Americans and Switzerland is full of Swiss people. Fill the US with swiss people with the same system and our stats would get a lot better.
Various demographics pull average US stats down. That doesn't mean our system is bad. It means those demographics have problems. They would have problems in pretty much any system. They are troubled communities. Just a reality.
exactly... a DoD certification might not be a good thing any more. It was once a mark of pride. Something a company could point to as a feather in their cap. But now? It means the feds have gone through it. And that might mean they left something behind.
Our system doesn't create the inner city slums. They're largely a product of YOUR social engineering over the last 60 years. The demographics in those communities has not gotten better. It has gotten worse.
But if you get away from places you control utterly... the numbers get better.
My argument in short is that your ideology rots everything it touches.
Look at Detroit. Meth labs and roving packs of dogs in the urban streets.
What was it like before Lindon Johnson's "great society" project?
And what did that do?
What was Detroit before you agitated the unions into uncompetitive labor practices?
STOP.
THINK.
Where is the country growing. Where are we prospering? Where do you find success stories? In democrat controlled zones? Nope. Exclusively in our backyard.
Your a society of failures, liars, con men, and fools.
Good day, sir.
My time horizon is to build things that are sustainable.
Because social security is a slush fund with the payout largely set by politics and not economics it is inherently unstable and unfair.
I don't like it. It merely invites corruption and eventual default.
Your employer probably doesn't pay them. Which is more of the point.
The trivia is interesting but it has no baring on the point.
If you do not have a significant retaliatory capability you invite attack.
Not really.
Its a rational response to an out of control tax and spend system.
People... any people... are not going to put up with it.
In the US they mostly try to get the laws changed and the taxes set to reasonable levels so that everyone can do their jobs and no one needs to play games.
In much of europe that battle was lost which means the laws are frequently unreasonable and as a result people don't try to deal with the system reasonably. Instead, they bore wormholes through it and try as much as possible to simply avoid it.
This is most common in Italy but you see it in France and germany as well.
Set the tax rates at reasonable levels and people will pay them. Be unreasonable and people are going to subvert the system. Its that or death. We really don't have a choice on the matter.
Be reasonable or be treated like you're unreasonable.
Switzerland was helped by their geography.
But don't pretend that Hitler didn't want to take it. He asked his generals to war game it. They came back with very nasty loss projections.
In the end, the Nazis just said it wasn't worth it. But that was because the Swiss made it not worth it.
A better example of a country trying and failing would be the Dutch. As usual when invaded, they broke their dikes. It slowed the germans down a little. But ultimately it wasn't enough.
The real failure was in dissolving the armies after WW1.
Old Roman maxim... If you desire peace, prepare for war.
Welcome to planet earth. Deal with it.
By folded you mean what?
The swiss have been making a fortune by acting as a tax evasion haven for Europeans. The dirty little hypocrites have been saying one thing and doing another for generations. And I apply that to most of the EU.
So the Swiss start expanding their game to US clients and shockingly the US IRS isn't as willing to play that game.
We're always told about the taxes in europe. But one of the secrets is that the tax enforcement agencies in europe are a joke compared to the IRS. Income in France for example is negotiable. That is you can bargain about what your income actually was that year. The IRS isn't interested in your bargains. They want to know what you made and on what and when. The IRS is not f'ing around. True, they're getting scammed pretty hard by the multi nationals but its unclear as to why that is happening. It could be bribery or it could be just getting out played. I suspect they're mostly getting out played. The Multinationals like to bury bureaucracies in details until their eyes bleed. IBM famously gave the government something like 5 million documents in a court case involving monopoly charges. Case went on for a decade because the government had to read through all the documents. Which took hundreds of people that whole time. By the time the government got around to making a case it was too late and no one cared anymore.
Microsoft did the same thing. Enron TRIED to do the same thing but it didn't work.
Demographics.
If you filter out all the demographics that live in the US but not in france and all the demographics that live in france but not in the US then recompare... you'll find the US does quite well actually.
US stats in general are brought down by several urban ghettos that have terrible statistics. Awful. Heroin addicts. Obesity. Murder rate. Unemployment. Illiteracy.
Any stat you can think of from that segment is terrible. And it is that group when averaged into the US stats that bring our numbers down.
What is more, there are a lot of stats that are calculated differently. Infant mortality rate for example in the US is calculated differently. In most countries including France, it doesn't count as an infant mortality unless the baby has been alive for a few days.
In the US the stats are calculated AT birth. So for example, the US has MUCH better infant mortality stats then any other country in the world because our stats are comparable despite being a great deal more strict. If you applied the same standard to French stats their infant morality numbers would change.
And its paid off so far... no one has touched them. Less vigilant countries cannot make the same claim.
both will have access regardless.
The euro cloud will not stop the NSA.
It will be entirely ineffective at protecting people from that sort of thing.
You do not protect yourself from state cyber intelligence by centralizing your information in easily located systems.
You protect it by hiding it away.
The best security is simply being unknown.
If you really want to talk about security and privacy... the cloud itself is a threat. We shouldn't put as much on the cloud as we do now.
Which is why the most vibrant business environment in the world is France.
Oh wait... no it isn't.