What is and is not mature is relative to the society, culture, and context.
You have no basis for determining what is and is not mature in "this" environment. You can't impose that any more than I can. I could argue as easily as you that your endless whining is childish.
Will you admit that you're behaving like a whining baby? Or do you admit that it is not appropriate for either of us to define what is and is not mature.
As to productivity, it doesn't matter in this context. What is more, you interest in maturity is not productivity but an attempt to score rhetorical points. Your assertion that productivity is relevant to you is a transparent pretense.
As to the title... I was saying that some people don't have the chops to use GPS. This is self evident to everyone.
As to your offense... offense is always taken, never given. You choose to be offended because you think being offended gives you power. This is the same philosophy that believes being weak gives you power.
Your world view is oxymoronical... and you're a moron for buying into it.
As to the relevance of being rude to the topic... there is none. The whole line of reasoning is irrelevant.
What is and is not mature is not something you get to dictate. What is more, a hostile exchange where I am dismissive of you and issue derogatory statements is not inherently immature.
That said, if you would presume... *chuckles*... If you would presume to have a PRODUCTIVE discussion which is actually a better concept to go for if there is ANY sincerity in your position... well... Why don't you try?
No ad hominem. No nonsense.
Discuss the issue and I'll discuss the issue.
If however you only want a ceasefire so you can slide more stupid comments in then I'm going to immediately note your bad faith in the matter and double down on my previous position.
Again... IF you have any sincerity that you desire a productive discussion... this is your chance.
If you fail to use this opportunity, then it is YOU that chose to be unproductive... Not me.
So having failed at your previous rhetorical ploy, you're going to try the "well you said mean things to me so you must be wrong" argument?
We my slightly stunned fish, the issue with that is that me saying mean things to you really doesn't mean anything besides the fact that I was saying mean things to you. Trying to spin that into something deeper is going to be something like trying to build a castle on a cobweb. It can't bare the weight you see?
Beyond which, you're ignoring the relevant factoid that you're a degenerate and I am not. And as such, it is fitting and proper that I label you as such.
Now might this wound your ego?... Make you feel bad? Well... as much as I am not a sadist, I don't really know of any other mechanism for expressing your degeneracy to you. Should I praise you or ignore you for it?
Regardless, you cannot conclude anything from my meanie beanie comments to you besides the fact that I found such comments to be warranted.
By the same token, I could claim that you can't stop pressing respond because YOU are out of emotional control.
The argument on your part is not only illogical, obviously scientifically fallacious, but is also self defeating because for it to be true you'd have to admit that you personally are out of emotional control.
The obvious reality is that you're really not very clever. I am vastly more intelligent and logical than you are and these attempts at rhetorical gamesmanship from you are so primitive and childish as to render them below the lowest level of credibility.
You lose.
And the only thing that is funny now is that you're so ignorant and callow that you don't realize it.
You have attempted to troll me... and I have rather easily turned it back on you. I have been trolling you for some time now.
Not only are you not getting to me... but because you've misjudged my personality, you don't understand that you actually cannot get to me. I am not that sort of person. Regardless... I suspect you're too limited to grasp that... regardless... you are the one caught in the cycle... I'm not just beating your dead horse of an argument. I'm fucking it.
Actually, you idiots tried the "if you respond it means I got to you" argument... A point I pointed out... a point that you've apparently forgotten because you people are demonstrably pretty stupid.
So... as usual, your starting premise is in error.
And I pointed out before, replying doesn't mean I'm out of control... and if it did... it would mean that because YOU respond that you are also out of control?
Is that what this is again? More projection? Are you crying? Be honest. Are you mad? Mad bro? Mad?
because if you're neither crying nor mad and YET responding... I mean... there are so many problems with your really really really dumb responses... I mean... you're really stupid. These are perhaps the most illogical, self defeating, and generally pathetic little rhetorical games I've seen on this site in... a long time. I mean... you're really bad at this... really bad.
I know I know... you're command of the Force is great, oh Wise one...
*yawn*
The real fatal flaw you've got going here is that you're stupid, ignorant, obnoxious, and boring.
I mean... all four... I can sustain a conversation with you for awhile mostly by ignoring most of what you say and riffing on myself... because I'm a pretty interesting guy. But you bring so little to the table that actually keeping this going is pretty much impossible beyond a certain point.
So, I'll tell you what... you continue to e-stalk me... which by the way continues to show that "I" got to you and not the other way around... and later on I might be bored enough to practice more insults on your drooling mouth breathing face.
No... I don't think I'm "opaque"... I think you're pretending to smell something on a different planet.
But whatevhs... you think you have super human powers... ability to read minds through the internet... we could call that... hmmm... techno-telepathy?
You're either a Scientologist and are a padawan under tom cruise... or possibly one of the less dances on couches peeps...
Or you're a mutant... like an x-man or something... We should come up with a cool name we can write on comic books for you... I'll spit ball some names...
The Obvious Douche! Captain Pretense... Kid that listened to girlfriend talk about her first semester psychology class and was so bored he thought he got a masters degree in it... that's too long.
What my judgement is based upon is totally unknown to you... unless you've got magical powers... do you have magical powers? Because if so... that's pretty neato. If not... yeah... you have no idea.
So any judgement YOU make predicated on the assumption that you do have magical powers when you don't have magical powers unless... you know you do... well, its inherently fallacious. And thus anything you say after "your judgment is based on shit I can't possibly know"... its meaningless.
I mean... without meaning. Nil. Nada. Jack... when shit left town.
You don't know enough about me to know if I am or am not angry. This internet psychology stuff that you cocktoddlers keep presuming to use is a farce. You don't know anything about me.
A guy that swears like a sailor all the time could be using the word fuck and cunt when he orders his eggs in the morning.
To clarify... and I know you won't listen because you've neither the integrity nor intelligence to really get this... but what I have is contempt for you... not anger. Contempt doesn't mean I'm actually upset... it just means I think you're garbage. Its a judgment by me of you... not an emotional reaction you caused in me for anything.
I'm actually a very emotionally mellow guy. But I do call shitheads on the internet "shitheads"... and that doesn't mean I'm upset... because that would be an unpleasant way to live. I also don't really care. However, whether I really care or not... I still regard what I see as fuckwits to be fucktwits.
Now... you won't understand that both because you're going to continue to be insincere and because you're not clever enough to shift your rhetoric to something less stupid. But there it is... you can fail at adapting to that as I know you will.
So did I get to you? Because if ANYONE replies to ANYONE it means automatically that the other person "got" to them... Right, shit for brains?
That's obviously not true. You know. I know it. That other retard knows it. And guess what, you admitted it. I noted that you admitted it. And if you don't admit it, then it means that you're suggesting that I have gotten under not only YOUR skin but his... which means something apparently...
You're both so comically callow that you're doing nothing more than validating my previous positions by the numbers.
Best one can do to what? Your "attack" and this follow up are idiotic and are little more than projection of your own insecurities onto other people.
Do you feel small? Do people not respect your qualifications? Is trolling and sockpuppeting on this forum your only social outlet? I mean... this is what your insult suggests.
You obviously not only know nothing about me but you also couldn't know anything about me. Which means your insult also reveals that you're stupid. Because the insult makes no sense.
Any who, hope things go better in your life, chump. You're incapable of actually wounding me. You're too small.
... Oh my... you are trying this tactic? Oh well... I can't stop you from sucking on that shotgun barrel...
I didn't say the two things were the same thing. I suggested that people were doing both. What is more, they do tend to go hand in hand in that trolls will often make use of sock puppets and sock puppets are typically trolls. I think that was clear above... so your attempt to claim superiority on that point or suggest I was ignorant of something... is frankly laughable.
As to AC and solutions... I want you to have a record or to not be in this forum making comments.
Hello AC troll... does it make you sad inside that you have to resort to such pathetic tactics to so much as get away with your peanut gallery shenanigans?
1. I don't trust it implicitly... I have a general idea of where I'm going and if the damned thing starts talking about a very different place then I know enough to error check it.
2. I actually key the information in correctly. Most times when people have problems it is "user error".
3. I don't blindly stay on highways etc simply because the stupid thing is biased to do that. I'll drop off them even if it keeps insisting that I have to if I know there is a traffic incident... eventually my GPS will figure it out or if not it will continue to direct me roughly in the correct direction.
Generally I use GPS for two things. Finding something in town or helping me on a long trip... short of that it isn't used at all. And in fairness, I don't need it... I have "maps"... I just find it more convenient to use the GPS.
Win conditions have nothing to do with maturity. Your attempt to goalpost shift the issue to one of courtesy shows that I pegged you accurately.
My intention was to have a productive discussion.
I made a statement.
You contested it.
That started a debate and I then wanted terms for that debate so that it could be productive.
You are squirting ink in the water now and trying to change the subject. Which is fine because it merely reinforces why stating firm conditions that will prevent people from goalpost moving is important.
But if you're a dyed in the wool sophist then I of course understand why you're repelled by my tactic. I am a stone cold stoic. There is nothing about your rhetorical games that impresses or confuses me. You can either play my game or you can spin doctor to your heart's content. Either way, I will not be pulled into a discussion where you're going to goalpost move. You will lock yourself down to firm positions or your request for a debate is rejected.
I appreciate your concern for my own credibility. That's touching.
Anyway... my point was strong in its original incarnation and there is clearly nothing left to discuss here beside concern trolling apparently on your part. So... are we done here? I think we are...
I just want you to login. If you can't handle using a fake name when you troll and sock puppet legitimate users... then I guess I can stand not seeing your stupid ass.
Failure to provide a win condition is a sign of bad faith.
Noted.
I'll move on. I'm not going to waste my time providing you with endless information while you goalpost move. Failing to lock yourself down means you intended to back peddle and goalpost move. So we're done. You just basically admitted you're arguing in bad faith.
... we're talking about laying cable in a conduit... what exactly are you presuming to hold out as a problem. Flammability? Who is laying flammable cable? Whatever... the point is that maintaining the conduit and providing access to anyone on an equal basis would be an improvement over the existing system as well as be a reasonable thing the government could do without causing them to bounce off their own peter threshold.
Typically they're required to offer service for the entire city as a condition of providing service to any portion of the city.
The list of conditions is variable and often graft is a component.
As to this question about whether anyone has applied... this is a silly question. You're saying no one in these cities would attempt to offer service at any part of the city? Really?
Regardless, I can link you to Google and Centurylink complaining about franchise license lockout. Its well known amongst anyone paying attention.
As to evidence... being a veteran of internet discussions which are basically nailing jello to the wall... I would like you to commit to a win condition. Provide me with something you would accept as a win for me. I mean a win. Done. Tell me what that is and I'll bother to go get the info. Short of that... I'll be concerned that you're just f'ing with me to waste my time and will just endlessly goalpost move.
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What is and is not mature is relative to the society, culture, and context.
You have no basis for determining what is and is not mature in "this" environment. You can't impose that any more than I can. I could argue as easily as you that your endless whining is childish.
Will you admit that you're behaving like a whining baby? Or do you admit that it is not appropriate for either of us to define what is and is not mature.
As to productivity, it doesn't matter in this context. What is more, you interest in maturity is not productivity but an attempt to score rhetorical points. Your assertion that productivity is relevant to you is a transparent pretense.
Try again.
As to the title... I was saying that some people don't have the chops to use GPS. This is self evident to everyone.
As to your offense... offense is always taken, never given. You choose to be offended because you think being offended gives you power. This is the same philosophy that believes being weak gives you power.
Your world view is oxymoronical... and you're a moron for buying into it.
As to the relevance of being rude to the topic... there is none. The whole line of reasoning is irrelevant.
What is and is not mature is not something you get to dictate. What is more, a hostile exchange where I am dismissive of you and issue derogatory statements is not inherently immature.
That said, if you would presume... *chuckles*... If you would presume to have a PRODUCTIVE discussion which is actually a better concept to go for if there is ANY sincerity in your position... well... Why don't you try?
No ad hominem. No nonsense.
Discuss the issue and I'll discuss the issue.
If however you only want a ceasefire so you can slide more stupid comments in then I'm going to immediately note your bad faith in the matter and double down on my previous position.
Again... IF you have any sincerity that you desire a productive discussion... this is your chance.
If you fail to use this opportunity, then it is YOU that chose to be unproductive... Not me.
Your move, Bub.
So having failed at your previous rhetorical ploy, you're going to try the "well you said mean things to me so you must be wrong" argument?
We my slightly stunned fish, the issue with that is that me saying mean things to you really doesn't mean anything besides the fact that I was saying mean things to you. Trying to spin that into something deeper is going to be something like trying to build a castle on a cobweb. It can't bare the weight you see?
Beyond which, you're ignoring the relevant factoid that you're a degenerate and I am not. And as such, it is fitting and proper that I label you as such.
Now might this wound your ego?... Make you feel bad? Well... as much as I am not a sadist, I don't really know of any other mechanism for expressing your degeneracy to you. Should I praise you or ignore you for it?
Regardless, you cannot conclude anything from my meanie beanie comments to you besides the fact that I found such comments to be warranted.
By the same token, I could claim that you can't stop pressing respond because YOU are out of emotional control.
The argument on your part is not only illogical, obviously scientifically fallacious, but is also self defeating because for it to be true you'd have to admit that you personally are out of emotional control.
The obvious reality is that you're really not very clever. I am vastly more intelligent and logical than you are and these attempts at rhetorical gamesmanship from you are so primitive and childish as to render them below the lowest level of credibility.
You lose.
And the only thing that is funny now is that you're so ignorant and callow that you don't realize it.
You have attempted to troll me... and I have rather easily turned it back on you. I have been trolling you for some time now.
Not only are you not getting to me... but because you've misjudged my personality, you don't understand that you actually cannot get to me. I am not that sort of person. Regardless... I suspect you're too limited to grasp that... regardless... you are the one caught in the cycle... I'm not just beating your dead horse of an argument. I'm fucking it.
And you can't seem to stop me. :)
Actually, you idiots tried the "if you respond it means I got to you" argument... A point I pointed out... a point that you've apparently forgotten because you people are demonstrably pretty stupid.
So... as usual, your starting premise is in error.
Try again.
And I pointed out before, replying doesn't mean I'm out of control... and if it did... it would mean that because YOU respond that you are also out of control?
Is that what this is again? More projection? Are you crying? Be honest. Are you mad? Mad bro? Mad?
because if you're neither crying nor mad and YET responding... I mean... there are so many problems with your really really really dumb responses... I mean... you're really stupid. These are perhaps the most illogical, self defeating, and generally pathetic little rhetorical games I've seen on this site in... a long time. I mean... you're really bad at this... really bad.
I know I know... you're command of the Force is great, oh Wise one...
*yawn*
The real fatal flaw you've got going here is that you're stupid, ignorant, obnoxious, and boring.
I mean... all four... I can sustain a conversation with you for awhile mostly by ignoring most of what you say and riffing on myself... because I'm a pretty interesting guy. But you bring so little to the table that actually keeping this going is pretty much impossible beyond a certain point.
So, I'll tell you what... you continue to e-stalk me... which by the way continues to show that "I" got to you and not the other way around... and later on I might be bored enough to practice more insults on your drooling mouth breathing face.
Till then...
No... I don't think I'm "opaque"... I think you're pretending to smell something on a different planet.
But whatevhs... you think you have super human powers... ability to read minds through the internet... we could call that... hmmm... techno-telepathy?
You're either a Scientologist and are a padawan under tom cruise... or possibly one of the less dances on couches peeps...
Or you're a mutant... like an x-man or something... We should come up with a cool name we can write on comic books for you... I'll spit ball some names...
The Obvious Douche!
Captain Pretense...
Kid that listened to girlfriend talk about her first semester psychology class and was so bored he thought he got a masters degree in it... that's too long.
We'll have to keep working on it.
What my judgement is based upon is totally unknown to you... unless you've got magical powers... do you have magical powers? Because if so... that's pretty neato. If not... yeah... you have no idea.
So any judgement YOU make predicated on the assumption that you do have magical powers when you don't have magical powers unless... you know you do... well, its inherently fallacious. And thus anything you say after "your judgment is based on shit I can't possibly know"... its meaningless.
I mean... without meaning. Nil. Nada. Jack... when shit left town.
So... another null post. Try again.
You don't know enough about me to know if I am or am not angry. This internet psychology stuff that you cocktoddlers keep presuming to use is a farce. You don't know anything about me.
A guy that swears like a sailor all the time could be using the word fuck and cunt when he orders his eggs in the morning.
To clarify... and I know you won't listen because you've neither the integrity nor intelligence to really get this... but what I have is contempt for you... not anger. Contempt doesn't mean I'm actually upset... it just means I think you're garbage. Its a judgment by me of you... not an emotional reaction you caused in me for anything.
I'm actually a very emotionally mellow guy. But I do call shitheads on the internet "shitheads"... and that doesn't mean I'm upset... because that would be an unpleasant way to live. I also don't really care. However, whether I really care or not... I still regard what I see as fuckwits to be fucktwits.
Now... you won't understand that both because you're going to continue to be insincere and because you're not clever enough to shift your rhetoric to something less stupid. But there it is... you can fail at adapting to that as I know you will.
Cheers.
So did I get to you? Because if ANYONE replies to ANYONE it means automatically that the other person "got" to them... Right, shit for brains?
That's obviously not true. You know. I know it. That other retard knows it. And guess what, you admitted it. I noted that you admitted it. And if you don't admit it, then it means that you're suggesting that I have gotten under not only YOUR skin but his... which means something apparently...
You're both so comically callow that you're doing nothing more than validating my previous positions by the numbers.
Whatevhs. :)
Sure... you can strawman and goalpost move and ad hominem... Good work... you know how to make fallacious arguments... what an accomplishment.
The point is... even in your reply TO ME you admitted that a reply does not mean that someone got to anyone in and of itself.
Which was his argument. And you just agreed with me.
*swish*
Nothing but fucking net.
You guys can't even back each other up competently... Comical.
I don't even have to annihilate you fuckwits... you blowing each other's legs off.
The "if you respond it means whatever I say" ploy?
Riddle me this... would a judge a court reply if a perp told him to go fuck himself? He would. Was the judge wounded? Nope.
if a 4 year old mouths off at his mother, might she respond? yep... Is he wounded by her child? Nope.
Your rhetoric is too primitive to be of value. You get a response... but a response isn't winning unless you enjoy getting annihilated.
All you're doing is proving you're too dumb to come up with anything that actually makes any sense.
Just out of curiosity, are you one of my old trolls or are you a new one? Just curious.
Best one can do to what? Your "attack" and this follow up are idiotic and are little more than projection of your own insecurities onto other people.
Do you feel small? Do people not respect your qualifications? Is trolling and sockpuppeting on this forum your only social outlet? I mean... this is what your insult suggests.
You obviously not only know nothing about me but you also couldn't know anything about me. Which means your insult also reveals that you're stupid. Because the insult makes no sense.
Any who, hope things go better in your life, chump. You're incapable of actually wounding me. You're too small.
... Oh my... you are trying this tactic? Oh well... I can't stop you from sucking on that shotgun barrel...
I didn't say the two things were the same thing. I suggested that people were doing both. What is more, they do tend to go hand in hand in that trolls will often make use of sock puppets and sock puppets are typically trolls. I think that was clear above... so your attempt to claim superiority on that point or suggest I was ignorant of something... is frankly laughable.
As to AC and solutions... I want you to have a record or to not be in this forum making comments.
Hello AC troll... does it make you sad inside that you have to resort to such pathetic tactics to so much as get away with your peanut gallery shenanigans?
It should.
My GPS works perfectly for me...
1. I don't trust it implicitly... I have a general idea of where I'm going and if the damned thing starts talking about a very different place then I know enough to error check it.
2. I actually key the information in correctly. Most times when people have problems it is "user error".
3. I don't blindly stay on highways etc simply because the stupid thing is biased to do that. I'll drop off them even if it keeps insisting that I have to if I know there is a traffic incident... eventually my GPS will figure it out or if not it will continue to direct me roughly in the correct direction.
Generally I use GPS for two things. Finding something in town or helping me on a long trip... short of that it isn't used at all. And in fairness, I don't need it... I have "maps"... I just find it more convenient to use the GPS.
Win conditions have nothing to do with maturity. Your attempt to goalpost shift the issue to one of courtesy shows that I pegged you accurately.
My intention was to have a productive discussion.
I made a statement.
You contested it.
That started a debate and I then wanted terms for that debate so that it could be productive.
You are squirting ink in the water now and trying to change the subject. Which is fine because it merely reinforces why stating firm conditions that will prevent people from goalpost moving is important.
But if you're a dyed in the wool sophist then I of course understand why you're repelled by my tactic. I am a stone cold stoic. There is nothing about your rhetorical games that impresses or confuses me. You can either play my game or you can spin doctor to your heart's content. Either way, I will not be pulled into a discussion where you're going to goalpost move. You will lock yourself down to firm positions or your request for a debate is rejected.
I appreciate your concern for my own credibility. That's touching.
Anyway... my point was strong in its original incarnation and there is clearly nothing left to discuss here beside concern trolling apparently on your part. So... are we done here? I think we are...
I just want you to login. If you can't handle using a fake name when you troll and sock puppet legitimate users... then I guess I can stand not seeing your stupid ass.
Failure to provide a win condition is a sign of bad faith.
Noted.
I'll move on. I'm not going to waste my time providing you with endless information while you goalpost move. Failing to lock yourself down means you intended to back peddle and goalpost move. So we're done. You just basically admitted you're arguing in bad faith.
Fine, you want to create problems and make a dishonest argument.
Did you think of anthrax cables? Or cables made out of vampire?
Look... you want to be silly... be silly... just know that you've been noticed as silly.
... we're talking about laying cable in a conduit... what exactly are you presuming to hold out as a problem. Flammability? Who is laying flammable cable? Whatever... the point is that maintaining the conduit and providing access to anyone on an equal basis would be an improvement over the existing system as well as be a reasonable thing the government could do without causing them to bounce off their own peter threshold.
Typically they're required to offer service for the entire city as a condition of providing service to any portion of the city.
The list of conditions is variable and often graft is a component.
As to this question about whether anyone has applied... this is a silly question. You're saying no one in these cities would attempt to offer service at any part of the city? Really?
Regardless, I can link you to Google and Centurylink complaining about franchise license lockout. Its well known amongst anyone paying attention.
As to evidence... being a veteran of internet discussions which are basically nailing jello to the wall... I would like you to commit to a win condition. Provide me with something you would accept as a win for me. I mean a win. Done. Tell me what that is and I'll bother to go get the info. Short of that... I'll be concerned that you're just f'ing with me to waste my time and will just endlessly goalpost move.