Look at the LG Prada. Phone design was already headed in that direction. Yes, Apple proved it was popular and accelerated it by about a year or two. This is mainly, because most other phone manufacturers had to endure extremely long reviews by controlling cell phone companies like Verizon. (Look at the HTC 6700, came out on Verizon a full year after everyone else had it.)
This was typical business by the cell phone companies. Apple came to AT&T at a time it was bleeding customers and said, we'll give an exclusive Apple phone that's about a year ahead of the competition. But onlyif you give us control.
Samsung should have walked in, and said they stole the idea. They admit it, and they are willing to pay damages. And then show the Palm Pilot Tungsten. And offer to pay Palm a $100 million for their theft of the user interface, rounded edges, and fitting as big of a screen as economics allowed.
Let's see...how the Apple's New Clothes look (naked).
Rectangle with rounded corners - done before. Grid of app icons - done before w/lower set of icons - done before (granted, they were reduced in size to allow more than four) edge to edge glass - pretty much done before as much as the technology allows black or white with chrome borders - done before as well
So essentially, Apple bought a dress at Walmart and is suing everyone else for owning the rights to it. And dammit, right now I want to go to Home Depot, buy a couple cans of paint. Walk into an Apple store and "vwalla...let Apple know what I think of their dress lawsuit"
"Allow any patent that is submitted into public domain, to be filed free of charge."
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Let's be honest, most ideas are not conceived of in some big corporate lab. Most are conceived in the minds of individuals long before. Often the best ideas are conceived when an idea person is unemployed - a time when they're even harder pressed to find the $1K-$5K to file a patent.
Those individuals, usually do not have the resources to get their ideas off the ground very quickly. They might start, but then they find by the time they're working toward their goal. A big corp with lots of $$$ for lots of developers releases something similar. Worse, now they own the patent on it. The individual now can't even continue their own idea.
Should approach their S. Korean neighbor LG. And help fund a lawsuit against the iPhone for stealing the look, feel, touch interface, and GUI elements of the Prada phone.
And they should do it in Korea. And not just get the sale of the iPhone banned. But have Apple banned from doing business in Korea. Not only does this result in Samsung's contract for parts being nullified. But it takes several of the largest manufacturers away from Apple.
Please express how an Object Oriented GUI would have looked or worked differently?
There are only so many ways to display things. Mac was based on a desktop and filing cabinet concept. Folders, had been used for ages. So has grid layout. We may be talking about innovation, but not invention. There is a big difference. And IMHO, only invention should be protected.
No, there was a foreman who was an engineer and has multiple patents. And led the juries, to protect the patents because he'd want "his" patents protected.
So Samsung and Apple are bickering. Do you really think either of those companies invented most of the techniques in debate? Seriously, bounce back, what not, a lot of these sort of easing animations were done in Flash appls years before.
Hell, I've got ideas, that if I implement, I'll be sued. Even though the idea is nearly 10 years old. And how can I defend against an Apple or Google?
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, both knew the truth, you steal other's technology. And sue anyone else who tries to infringe on your theft. That wars are won in courtrooms.
Jury is a decision by those not smart enough to get out of jury duty!
"It was not any one thing, it was all of them combined."
Ah, so that's patentable now. Not inventing. Simply using other's inventions together. So by that regards, guess John Deere can't sell lawnmowers because Ford was the first to put four tires onto a chassis and add a steering wheel.
Seriously, that's what this case is pretty much claiming.
"end result was something quite hard for anyone who came across one to distinguish from an iPhone"
Seriously, then let's sue Apple to. As consumers are TOO STUPID to tell the difference between an iPhone, an iPhone 3G, and an iPhone 4 and mandate they have a big number on their screen. (Granted, the iPhone 3Gvs3GS, and iPhone 4vs4S is a little more challenging)
First off, there was a very high infant/toddler mortality rate. Eliminate the fact that people might have 6 babies, but only have 3-4 survive. Also factor in that we abort most babies that show signs of defects.
And a much better statistic would be "what is avg lifespan" of those who live to see their 20th birthday. And I'd wager that graph would show a downturn from yesteryear.
The gui made up of a grid of icons on a page with multiple pages? like my Palm Pilot from the 90's.
Oh, I know...the green dial and red hangup buttons.
Oh, perhaps it was the fact that things bounced/sprung back. Wait, that's called "easing", it's a digital design technique taught to 1st year design students for decades.
Oh please enlighten me as to what was so monumental?
Multi-touch...that one comes closest. But was demonstrated as early as the 1980's. Merely including it in a phone is not a patentable invention.
Oh, the single button, and the ear piece up top. Big screen. Look and feel.
Well to be honest, my old HTC 6700 had a very very similar design as the original iPhone. Granted, it had an antenna nob because technology still required it for better reception. And it did have a pull out keyboard. But from just a front view, very similar looking. Granted, the iPhone only had one button, the HTC a central button surrounded by auxilliary buttons.
But correct me if I am wrong, the Samsung had auxilliary buttons too.
No, this is along the lines of the evolution of TVs. One huge boxes with 4"-6" screens. Then in the 70's huge boxes with screens that filled about 70% of the area. Then in the recent years, huge screens that took up 96% of the area. And in the future, expect edge to edge screens.
Nothing innovative to the point of being "invention" worthy.
But seriously, this is one of thousands of no brainer ideas in the world. The fact that it's not done proves to me that Congress is either corrupt, inept, neglectful or all of the above.
Nor is suing another company for "easing effects", several decades old and taught to first year design students.
Frankly, the best thing that could happen to American innovation is a for a bum to build a fire next to the patent office this winter, and a tragic accident result in the entire office going up in smoke.
This would do far more for the American public and innovation than all the lawsuits combined.
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So please please please show me what Apple came up with that was new and not demonstrated before.
Every aspect of their "dress" was basically done by Palm Pilot.
So if Samsung owes anyone, they should be paying Palm $100 million
Look at the LG Prada. Phone design was already headed in that direction. Yes, Apple proved it was popular and accelerated it by about a year or two. This is mainly, because most other phone manufacturers had to endure extremely long reviews by controlling cell phone companies like Verizon. (Look at the HTC 6700, came out on Verizon a full year after everyone else had it.)
This was typical business by the cell phone companies. Apple came to AT&T at a time it was bleeding customers and said, we'll give an exclusive Apple phone that's about a year ahead of the competition. But onlyif you give us control.
That's what made it happen.
Samsung should have walked in, and said they stole the idea. They admit it, and they are willing to pay damages. And then show the Palm Pilot Tungsten. And offer to pay Palm a $100 million for their theft of the user interface, rounded edges, and fitting as big of a screen as economics allowed.
That'd have been great...
Yes we have. And as such, think the iPhone should be banned from sale because it clearly copied the LG/Prada phone.
Let's see...how the Apple's New Clothes look (naked).
Rectangle with rounded corners - done before.
Grid of app icons - done before
w/lower set of icons - done before (granted, they were reduced in size to allow more than four)
edge to edge glass - pretty much done before as much as the technology allows
black or white with chrome borders - done before as well
So essentially, Apple bought a dress at Walmart and is suing everyone else for owning the rights to it. And dammit, right now I want to go to Home Depot, buy a couple cans of paint. Walk into an Apple store and "vwalla...let Apple know what I think of their dress lawsuit"
"Allow any patent that is submitted into public domain, to be filed free of charge."
***
Let's be honest, most ideas are not conceived of in some big corporate lab. Most are conceived in the minds of individuals long before. Often the best ideas are conceived when an idea person is unemployed - a time when they're even harder pressed to find the $1K-$5K to file a patent.
Those individuals, usually do not have the resources to get their ideas off the ground very quickly. They might start, but then they find by the time they're working toward their goal. A big corp with lots of $$$ for lots of developers releases something similar. Worse, now they own the patent on it. The individual now can't even continue their own idea.
Happens all the time.
Au contraire....drop them from high enough and they still go *splat*...
The issue is, we're not dropping enough of them...vote 'em out!
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Should approach their S. Korean neighbor LG. And help fund a lawsuit against the iPhone for stealing the look, feel, touch interface, and GUI elements of the Prada phone.
And they should do it in Korea. And not just get the sale of the iPhone banned. But have Apple banned from doing business in Korea. Not only does this result in Samsung's contract for parts being nullified. But it takes several of the largest manufacturers away from Apple.
It'd get real nasty.... I like it!
Really, because Apple somehow hasn't moved their tech jobs to Asia?
I call bovine fecal matter on this. Main reasons these jobs have moved are:
1) cheaper labor
2) lower tax rates
3) less environmental restrictions
Any other reason is probably self-delusion.
It should have too...but crApple is beloved.
Please express how an Object Oriented GUI would have looked or worked differently?
There are only so many ways to display things. Mac was based on a desktop and filing cabinet concept. Folders, had been used for ages. So has grid layout. We may be talking about innovation, but not invention. There is a big difference. And IMHO, only invention should be protected.
No, there was a foreman who was an engineer and has multiple patents. And led the juries, to protect the patents because he'd want "his" patents protected.
Oooh...you're vicious, but I like it...
Samsung, why break contract. Just make iPhones less reliable.
I'd tell you that you're full of shit. Sorry.
So Samsung and Apple are bickering. Do you really think either of those companies invented most of the techniques in debate? Seriously, bounce back, what not, a lot of these sort of easing animations were done in Flash appls years before.
Hell, I've got ideas, that if I implement, I'll be sued. Even though the idea is nearly 10 years old. And how can I defend against an Apple or Google?
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, both knew the truth, you steal other's technology. And sue anyone else who tries to infringe on your theft. That wars are won in courtrooms.
MOD +6
Flash had bounce affects. If you ever viewed a mobile Flash site with a bounce effect, does that make Apple irrelevant?
Web based interface? Where? What you talkin' about Willis. iOS uses a proprietary Objective-C interface.
Collection of components were used in the Prada phone.
I know, it's like T-Mobile's trademark of "pink".
We understand what a design patent is. We think they shouldn't exist.
We also understand that Apple is trying to lay claim to a very very basic design. And that essentially precludes a basic and common look and feel.
This equates to us very smart readers as STUPID.
Yes, but Porsche is not trying to stop every other vehicle out there from being a two-door coupe with curves. Apple is...
What's the old saying?
Jury is a decision by those not smart enough to get out of jury duty!
"It was not any one thing, it was all of them combined."
Ah, so that's patentable now. Not inventing. Simply using other's inventions together. So by that regards, guess John Deere can't sell lawnmowers because Ford was the first to put four tires onto a chassis and add a steering wheel.
Seriously, that's what this case is pretty much claiming.
"end result was something quite hard for anyone who came across one to distinguish from an iPhone"
Seriously, then let's sue Apple to. As consumers are TOO STUPID to tell the difference between an iPhone, an iPhone 3G, and an iPhone 4 and mandate they have a big number on their screen. (Granted, the iPhone 3Gvs3GS, and iPhone 4vs4S is a little more challenging)
First off, there was a very high infant/toddler mortality rate. Eliminate the fact that people might have 6 babies, but only have 3-4 survive. Also factor in that we abort most babies that show signs of defects.
And a much better statistic would be "what is avg lifespan" of those who live to see their 20th birthday. And I'd wager that graph would show a downturn from yesteryear.
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ANSWER: 600-900 sounds good to me.
Well, when I looked, the cheapest thing I could find was a "preliminary patent", and that alone was about $700.
Are you on satellite?
My mother-in-law can't get cable or DSL. Satellite was $75/month for like 500K
She's been using Verizon/Sprint wireless hotpoints.
Which item?
The gui made up of a grid of icons on a page with multiple pages? like my Palm Pilot from the 90's.
Oh, I know...the green dial and red hangup buttons.
Oh, perhaps it was the fact that things bounced/sprung back. Wait, that's called "easing", it's a digital design technique taught to 1st year design students for decades.
Oh please enlighten me as to what was so monumental?
Multi-touch...that one comes closest. But was demonstrated as early as the 1980's. Merely including it in a phone is not a patentable invention.
Oh, the single button, and the ear piece up top. Big screen. Look and feel.
Well to be honest, my old HTC 6700 had a very very similar design as the original iPhone. Granted, it had an antenna nob because technology still required it for better reception. And it did have a pull out keyboard. But from just a front view, very similar looking. Granted, the iPhone only had one button, the HTC a central button surrounded by auxilliary buttons.
But correct me if I am wrong, the Samsung had auxilliary buttons too.
No, this is along the lines of the evolution of TVs. One huge boxes with 4"-6" screens. Then in the 70's huge boxes with screens that filled about 70% of the area. Then in the recent years, huge screens that took up 96% of the area. And in the future, expect edge to edge screens.
Nothing innovative to the point of being "invention" worthy.
Yes, I should have patented it.
But seriously, this is one of thousands of no brainer ideas in the world. The fact that it's not done proves to me that Congress is either corrupt, inept, neglectful or all of the above.
Patenting a square is not innovation.
Nor is suing another company for "easing effects", several decades old and taught to first year design students.
Frankly, the best thing that could happen to American innovation is a for a bum to build a fire next to the patent office this winter, and a tragic accident result in the entire office going up in smoke.
This would do far more for the American public and innovation than all the lawsuits combined.