If any newer devices that are similar in build (say, the palm) were to get dropped, stepped on, thrown, run over, submerged in water, etc, they most certainly would be destroyed. But I've seen the gameboy go through all that and survive, and rarely have cosmetic disorder, even. (I think this is because Nintendo of America seems to have a projected audience of 5-10 year olds in mind when they make their products... just a guess.)
Exactly. I remember reading in a Nintendo Power ages ago that someone once dropped a Game Boy in the toilet and it somehow got stuck (this was the original, large gameboys). They draino-ed it, tried snaking it, and eventually had to call a plummer. The plummer got the game boy out, and they let it dry and it still worked. Dunno if it's true or not though.
Heh.. I work for Dell, and if the stability of Dell's servers are any indication of the stability of Windows NT, you sure as hell don't want to be using them as an example.
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Slackware: 2.x 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.9 --- A real release. Basically Slack4 with the 2.0 kernel. 4.0 --- Linux 2.2 7.0 --- glibc 2.1
Nope, they go to a web interface where stories are put on hold, posted, or deleted. Sort of a holding chamber.
As for e-mailing without having Hotmail available, damn near every ISP on earth gives you a free e-mail account, and I have probably 10 web-based ones as well...
Don't you mean save up your lunch money for several years so you can afford to buy a SCSI card, then several more years to replace each of your IDE devices that work just fine and without the complications of the SCSI interface?
1 276 ms 28 ms 27 ms aggro-80.lvcm.com [24.234.80.1] 2 25 ms 30 ms 22 ms edge.lvcm.com [24.234.0.1] 3 217 ms 70 ms 22 ms H4-0-0.irv-lvg100.gw.eni.net [207.168.88.1] 4 40 ms 42 ms 42 ms noname.eni [155.229.120.157] 5 239 ms 29 ms 49 ms bb3.mae-w.home.net [198.32.200.47] 6 42 ms 42 ms 356 ms c1-pos3-3.snfcca1.home.net [24.7.66.45] 7 332 ms 57 ms 55 ms c1-pos4-0.sttlwa1.home.net [24.7.66.1] 8 54 ms 62 ms 317 ms bb1-pos2-0.rdc1.bc.home.net [24.7.72.174] 9 265 ms 66 ms 65 ms 10.0.186.114 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out.
And under the BSD license, what's mine is yours and what's yours is yours.
I'm not arguing that BSD should go away. In fact, my original comment was actually flame bait for Tom Christansen (Probably misspelt his last name). I'm just arguing that under the GPL I get to see what others did to my code, while under BSD I don't always get to. BSD is more free depending on which angle you're arguing from, and if you don't mind seeing your work used by others in commercial projects (meaning closed source projects I guess. Not necessarially commercial, as commercial and closed aren't always one of the same). The GPL prevents changing of licenses, closing of the source, etc.. And I prefer that over BSD, and it's just a personal preference. If I were to write a program specifically for *BSD* (wildcards on both sides to also allow for BSDi, a perfect example of what I'm talking about), I'll probably release it under BSD.
But, right now that's theoretical. Right now, I have a license of GPL on my (currently really, really bad) "eCommerce" type package in PHP3. I'll eventually release it (I'd prefer it didn't suck first), and it'll be GPLed unless some license along the way prevents it.
The code for my package can't be closed though (PHP3's code is in the HTML files), so I'm not worried about that right now. But if I release a compile-able program, it will be an issue. I'm also not worried about a company taking my work and using it commercially, because I doubt my programming skills are anywhere near good enough.
Actually, I should do what I basically say to people who start flaming over silly little things, and shut up and code:)
And this very instant would be a great time to do so, considering how long this post has become.
Did this make any sense to you? If it did, would you please reply and explain it to me?
Re:Hold on. What right have you...
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And if I release my code, the GPL ensures I get paid in at least one way, in that I get to see what others do to my code. Under BSD, anyone can take my work and make it "their" work.
Earlier in the thread was an interesting argument:
Oh, you wish to own their code. Thanks for your gift, it makes it so meaningful now.
Right. I want to own their code -just as much as they own mine-. Under the GPL, my code is mine, their code is theirs. I just get to use theirs as they used mine. Under BSD, they get to close my source, and I -don't- get to use their source as they used mine.
I would like to see what they did with my code so if they did something interesting, I can include it into my code. I can do that with the GPL if they release the program (they're forced to release their modified source). I can do that with the BSD license unless they change the license for their "fork" of my code. In that sense the GPL is both more free (promotes returning code to the community) and more restrictive (forces you to return code to the community even if you don't want to).
Well, unfortunatley for us he's subject to the "He's a really popular 'celebrity' in the OS community (major contributions to Perl), so let's moderate him up no matter what he said, and even if he posts obvious flamebait, NEVER moderate him down". RMS, ESR, Alan Cox, et al are all subject to this, but they usually have something worthwhile to say.
Somehow, he managed to get a karma of something like 50, with as many posts in the last couple weeks.
Thanks for pointing out that ambiguity. I don't want a company to take my work, make it "theirs" (change the license), then change it and distribute it without my being able to see what they did.
But basically I only said that as flamebait. I find TC's rampant zealotry amusing.
(I'm also trying to be sure to check the No Score +1 Bonus button)
Personally, I just -LOVE- your well thought out and insightful arguments. I especially enjoy your wonderful ability to call someone wrong while not telling them how they are.
To answer "What the devil is wrong with these people?", in my eyes there is a lot less wrong with some misinformed people trying to make a point than some BSD extremist zealot with way too much time on his hands taking up 25% of a discussion while not actually saying a whole lot of anything and trying his hardest to not inform.
And, just to give you another rant, I prever GPL over BSD simply because I don't like the idea of some company deciding to take my work and changing my license on me.
The by line should read "Rob Malda." Rob wrote this as a guideline when working on Slash 0.4, and decided to publish it. He will be teaching a class on this at the Slashdot booth, located in the Linux Business Expo portion of Comdex on Friday.
The executive branch, in theory and on paper, doesn't have any influence over decisions made by the Judicial branch. Legislature (spelling?) propose laws, Executive make them laws or drop them, and judicial enforce them (and make sure they don't violate anybody's rights), and no branch, again in theory, has the authority to interfere in another's operation....
Of course, in practice things don't happen this way.
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Exactly. I remember reading in a Nintendo Power ages ago that someone once dropped a Game Boy in the toilet and it somehow got stuck (this was the original, large gameboys). They draino-ed it, tried snaking it, and eventually had to call a plummer. The plummer got the game boy out, and they let it dry and it still worked. Dunno if it's true or not though.
Heh.. I work for Dell, and if the stability of Dell's servers are any indication of the stability of Windows NT, you sure as hell don't want to be using them as an example.
Slackware:
2.x
3.0
3.1
3.2
3.3
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.9 --- A real release. Basically Slack4 with the 2.0 kernel.
4.0 --- Linux 2.2
7.0 --- glibc 2.1
RedHat:
4.0
4.1
4.2
5.0 -- glibc 2.0? Somewhere in here.
5.1
5.2
6.0
6.1 -- Graphical installer
Slackware just caught up to where it "should" have been if it were to version like RH.
Nope, they go to a web interface where stories are put on hold, posted, or deleted. Sort of a holding chamber.
As for e-mailing without having Hotmail available, damn near every ISP on earth gives you a free e-mail account, and I have probably 10 web-based ones as well...
Ok, this is the first post of the thread, and it's marked redundant? Excuse me?
It's now official. I've lost all faith in moderation. I PRAY this comes up in my MetaModeration.
Wow... You finally remembered your user ID?
:)
Sorry, just had to comment on it
Interesting apology :)
(It's currently a 404 error)
Feel free to moderate me down, I just had a good laugh at that... Kinda weak indeed...
Don't you mean save up your lunch money for several years so you can afford to buy a SCSI card, then several more years to replace each of your IDE devices that work just fine and without the complications of the SCSI interface?
SCSI isn't exactly a low cost solution. IDE is.
1 276 ms 28 ms 27 ms aggro-80.lvcm.com [24.234.80.1]
2 25 ms 30 ms 22 ms edge.lvcm.com [24.234.0.1]
3 217 ms 70 ms 22 ms H4-0-0.irv-lvg100.gw.eni.net [207.168.88.1]
4 40 ms 42 ms 42 ms noname.eni [155.229.120.157]
5 239 ms 29 ms 49 ms bb3.mae-w.home.net [198.32.200.47]
6 42 ms 42 ms 356 ms c1-pos3-3.snfcca1.home.net [24.7.66.45]
7 332 ms 57 ms 55 ms c1-pos4-0.sttlwa1.home.net [24.7.66.1]
8 54 ms 62 ms 317 ms bb1-pos2-0.rdc1.bc.home.net [24.7.72.174]
9 265 ms 66 ms 65 ms 10.0.186.114
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
And under the BSD license, what's mine is yours and what's yours is yours.
:)
I'm not arguing that BSD should go away. In fact, my original comment was actually flame bait for Tom Christansen (Probably misspelt his last name). I'm just arguing that under the GPL I get to see what others did to my code, while under BSD I don't always get to. BSD is more free depending on which angle you're arguing from, and if you don't mind seeing your work used by others in commercial projects (meaning closed source projects I guess. Not necessarially commercial, as commercial and closed aren't always one of the same). The GPL prevents changing of licenses, closing of the source, etc.. And I prefer that over BSD, and it's just a personal preference. If I were to write a program specifically for *BSD* (wildcards on both sides to also allow for BSDi, a perfect example of what I'm talking about), I'll probably release it under BSD.
But, right now that's theoretical. Right now, I have a license of GPL on my (currently really, really bad) "eCommerce" type package in PHP3. I'll eventually release it (I'd prefer it didn't suck first), and it'll be GPLed unless some license along the way prevents it.
The code for my package can't be closed though (PHP3's code is in the HTML files), so I'm not worried about that right now. But if I release a compile-able program, it will be an issue. I'm also not worried about a company taking my work and using it commercially, because I doubt my programming skills are anywhere near good enough.
Actually, I should do what I basically say to people who start flaming over silly little things, and shut up and code
And this very instant would be a great time to do so, considering how long this post has become.
Did this make any sense to you? If it did, would you please reply and explain it to me?
And if I release my code, the GPL ensures I get paid in at least one way, in that I get to see what others do to my code. Under BSD, anyone can take my work and make it "their" work.
Earlier in the thread was an interesting argument:
Oh, you wish to own their code. Thanks for your gift, it makes it so meaningful now.
Right. I want to own their code -just as much as they own mine-. Under the GPL, my code is mine, their code is theirs. I just get to use theirs as they used mine. Under BSD, they get to close my source, and I -don't- get to use their source as they used mine.
Everyone can use my code under the GPL as well. They just have to let everyone see what they did.
I would like to see what they did with my code so if they did something interesting, I can include it into my code. I can do that with the GPL if they release the program (they're forced to release their modified source). I can do that with the BSD license unless they change the license for their "fork" of my code. In that sense the GPL is both more free (promotes returning code to the community) and more restrictive (forces you to return code to the community even if you don't want to).
In the subject/by/time block, it says:
by Anonymous Coward on 02:59 PM November 21st, 1999 PST (#158)
If the person is logged in, the name is a link to their user info.
Well, unfortunatley for us he's subject to the "He's a really popular 'celebrity' in the OS community (major contributions to Perl), so let's moderate him up no matter what he said, and even if he posts obvious flamebait, NEVER moderate him down". RMS, ESR, Alan Cox, et al are all subject to this, but they usually have something worthwhile to say.
Somehow, he managed to get a karma of something like 50, with as many posts in the last couple weeks.
Thanks for pointing out that ambiguity. I don't want a company to take my work, make it "theirs" (change the license), then change it and distribute it without my being able to see what they did.
But basically I only said that as flamebait. I find TC's rampant zealotry amusing.
(I'm also trying to be sure to check the No Score +1 Bonus button)
Personally, I just -LOVE- your well thought out and insightful arguments. I especially enjoy your wonderful ability to call someone wrong while not telling them how they are.
To answer "What the devil is wrong with these people?", in my eyes there is a lot less wrong with some misinformed people trying to make a point than some BSD extremist zealot with way too much time on his hands taking up 25% of a discussion while not actually saying a whole lot of anything and trying his hardest to not inform.
And, just to give you another rant, I prever GPL over BSD simply because I don't like the idea of some company deciding to take my work and changing my license on me.
Hm... I have to agree with the AC here...
/me looks for the Slashdot twitlist feature.
The by line should read "Rob Malda." Rob wrote this as a guideline when working on Slash 0.4, and decided to publish it. He will be teaching a class on this at the Slashdot booth, located in the Linux Business Expo portion of Comdex on Friday.
The executive branch, in theory and on paper, doesn't have any influence over decisions made by the Judicial branch. Legislature (spelling?) propose laws, Executive make them laws or drop them, and judicial enforce them (and make sure they don't violate anybody's rights), and no branch, again in theory, has the authority to interfere in another's operation....
Of course, in practice things don't happen this way.
Does Halflife run without a coprocessor? The 486SX had no coprocessor.
Actually, it's called slashd.
slashd is the Slashdot daemon, and is repsonsible for refreshing the pages every 60 seconds.
This sort of reminds me of a comment Linus allegedly made:
FreeBSD faster over loopback than Linux over the wire - News at 11!
These benchmarks were released on the day of Gates' Comdex Keynote? Coincidence?
Bah, who am I trying to fool?
No..
Someone shoehorned -MAME- into a DC265.