Spammers use security holes? Even if they did, which they don't since it's so easy to find an open relay, those holes would have to be fixed anyway. Whoever creates, uses, whatever, security holes, doesn't matter. It's the admin's job to make sure they aren't there in the first place, and fix them when he finds out. I suppose you are grateful when someone "finds" a security hole for you.
>tracking down and repairing the holes in security used by the spammer
What? Spammers create security holes? What have you been smoking? 1- spammers don't create holes, they just spam, otherwise they're called crackers, hackers, script kiddies, black hats, etc... 2- fixing security holes is the ISP's job, spam or no spam.
Anyone remember the previous email from Paul Vixie? Had a line something like "this could well be the big lawsuit we've been waiting for". They want to be sued, preferrably by a large well-known company, so that they can establish a precedent.
[Bruce Perens] For example, there's that situation with Perl: the software's Open Source, but the official reference manual is proprietary to O'Reilly. How open is it really if the documentation is closed?
That's not exactly correct. Although the Camel is definitely an authoritative book on Perl, it isn't the official reference manual. The latter is bundled with Perl (type perldoc to find it). It's also published in various formats on CPAN. It documents the latest stable release, unlike the Camel.
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Dude, PPM RULES! I can download and install a Perl module in SECONDS. If I had to compile it on my NT server machine I would:
a) have to get a C compiler b) take the time to learn to use the C compiler c) get the code and makefiles and complile it.
Really? I run a variety of Unix, and never had to learn how to use the C compiler: $ perl Makefile.PL $ make && make test && make install
Of course I'm old fashioned, and doing it the hard(!) way. Lotsa folks just do:
This is nothing new. Nowadays free email addresses are so easy to get, lots of people pick a hotmail or similar account for mailing-lists and news.
But worse, this doesn't cure SPAM at the root, you're still receiving it, unless you control the MTA which most users don't. So you're still paying for trafic, you are just not looking at the spam, it isn't really gone.
Russian, Hindi, Farsi and Kurdish are all Indo-European languages... Bad luck! There's no such thing as an "Asian" language family, there are several. You could quote languages such as Chinese, Korean, etc.
For anyone wondering how this works, basically the browser has to request the entire URL on a GET, e.g. - GET http://www.yourdomain.com/ as opposed to just GET/.
That's not how it works. The browser sends a seperate "Host" header:
GET/foobar Host: www.somedomain.com
The "GET http://www.somedomain.com/foo" form is used only if talking to a proxy server.
I just don't get it, every milestone I've tried under Win95 crashes very rapidly, it's just unusable. How can other people have the opposite results? I know Win95 is a piece of crap in itself, but NS4 and IE5 run just fine, crash much less, and I'm using them all day long. The box is a PII 300 w/128 Mb RAM so that should be enough. I really want to use Mozilla, but can't get it to work for longer than a few minutes. Maybe you have some secret you might want to share with me?
Yes, Dean Gaudet of the Apache Group has gotten fed up with the negative benchmarks and has committed a bunch of code for Apache 2.0. I'm just quoting him from memory, benchmarks are one of his goals. He's one of the group's OS experts.
1. If the webserver does not have a Telnet server running, a hacker can't get to a command prompt and fish around. Telnet services can be disabled on Unix, but then there's no ability to remotely administer the system.
FUD. Serious admins disable telnet and log in via SSH, using RSA authentication.
2. NT's security functions are more granular. It isn't a simple matter of getting root privledges and the-game-is-over as is the case with the Unix security model.
Do you have specifics to back this up? Otherwise it's just more FUD.
I will make a bold statement however. The author brushed on the topic some. I don't think Opensource software can create anything new.
Not true. There are many open source applications that are innovative: Apache, qmail, postfix, perl are examples of heavily used software that aren't just a copy of older stuff.
Gnome has been said to be a combination of Next, Windows, Mac, other user interfaces
Sure, just like Windows UI was inspired by the Mac, which in turn was ripped off the Xerox Star. So the Xerox Star is the only new UI ?
Gimme a break. What does DB in DBM stand for? A database is just something that can store and retrieve data. Whether it supports SQL, commit/rollback, etc, is another story. In fact why just commit/rollback ? What about sub-queries, which MySQL doesn't implement either?
Your comparison is not valid. I can start a few thousand processes on my box, and it will bring the system down to its knees. It will swap, eventually it will complain about not enough memory.
A kernel panic is nothing of the sort, it's a bug. Like previous posters said, no user program should be able to panic or crash the kernel.
There was a related case in France not long ago. Altern.org, a free web hosting service, was sued by some blonde wannabe-star because one of the sites had pictures of here naked. IIRC it was not porn, just nude pictures. The hosting service was held responsible, fined around $60,000, had to close down the free hosting service. There were 47 000 hosted sites there.
This has generated some noise here and has had the effect is that a law is being passed right now in Parliament that basically states that a hosting service or ISP be held responsible only for content is has contributed to create or produce, or if it hasn't promptly removed access to the content when summoned by a court. The speaker then goes on to say that he specifically added this last clause to prevent undue preventive censorship by ISP's.
This law, if it makes it through the legislative process in those terms, is pretty good in that it not only protects hosting services, it also protects free speech by requiring that the ISP not censor any content unless summoned by court.
This is odd, IBM has several people committing stuff to the Apache source tree, their work was even recently voted by the Apache Group as the basis for the next Apache (2.0?). Those IBM'ers post a lot to the Apache dev mailing list. As for the survey... 500 Internal Server Error. Looks like someone should read CGI for dummies, or something.
I'm currently running several flavors of Unix, mostly *BSD. I want to set up a Linux box. Which distro should I use? I do not use packages, I prefer to download source, compile, and install applications myself, "by hand" if you will. Which distro would be best suited for someone like me ?
Not only that, but for domains that are listed, no contact information is given. What a bunch of lamers. Let's slashdot www.internic.net, that'll teach 'em.
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Spammers use security holes? Even if they did, which they don't since it's so easy to find an open relay, those holes would have to be fixed anyway. Whoever creates, uses, whatever, security holes, doesn't matter. It's the admin's job to make sure they aren't there in the first place, and fix them when he finds out. I suppose you are grateful when someone "finds" a security hole for you.
>tracking down and repairing the holes in security used by the spammer
What? Spammers create security holes? What have you been smoking?
1- spammers don't create holes, they just spam, otherwise they're called crackers, hackers, script kiddies, black hats, etc...
2- fixing security holes is the ISP's job, spam or no spam.
Anyone remember the previous email from Paul Vixie? Had a line something like "this could well be the big lawsuit we've been waiting for".
They want to be sued, preferrably by a large well-known company, so that they can establish a precedent.
[Bruce Perens] For example, there's that situation with Perl: the software's Open Source, but the official reference manual is proprietary to O'Reilly. How open is it really if the documentation is closed?
That's not exactly correct. Although the Camel is definitely an authoritative book on Perl, it isn't the official reference manual. The latter is bundled with Perl (type perldoc to find it). It's also published in various formats on CPAN. It documents the latest stable release, unlike the Camel.
Dude, PPM RULES! I can download and install a Perl module in SECONDS. If I had to compile it on my NT server machine I would:
a) have to get a C compiler
b) take the time to learn to use the C compiler
c) get the code and makefiles and complile it.
Really? I run a variety of Unix, and never had to learn how to use the C compiler:
$ perl Makefile.PL
$ make && make test && make install
Of course I'm old fashioned, and doing it the hard(!) way. Lotsa folks just do:
$ perl -MCPAN -e shell
$ install distribution_file
This is nothing new. Nowadays free email addresses are so easy to get, lots of people pick a hotmail or similar account for mailing-lists and news.
But worse, this doesn't cure SPAM at the root, you're still receiving it, unless you control the MTA which most users don't. So you're still paying for trafic, you are just not looking at the spam, it isn't really gone.
Russian, Hindi, Farsi and Kurdish are all Indo-European languages... Bad luck! There's no such thing as an "Asian" language family, there are several. You could quote languages such as Chinese, Korean, etc.
maybe@yes.no is actually the email address of a distinguished Perl programmer.
Got slahsdot.org? Slap up an ad or two plus a link to slashdot.org, and you've got money for nothing.
Hey, pretty cool, slahsdot.org is available, why don't you rush and get it and make easy money?
For anyone wondering how this works, basically the browser has to request the entire URL on a GET, e.g. - /.
/foobar
GET http://www.yourdomain.com/
as opposed to just GET
That's not how it works. The browser sends a seperate "Host" header:
GET
Host: www.somedomain.com
The "GET http://www.somedomain.com/foo" form is used only if talking to a proxy server.
>Using a bourne shell to conduct tests is not something I would view as particularly useful;
Have you even looked at the script? It's just a small wrapper than launches ab, which is a standard benchmarking tool bundle with Apache.
I just don't get it, every milestone I've tried under Win95 crashes very rapidly, it's just unusable. How can other people have the opposite results? I know Win95 is a piece of crap in itself, but NS4 and IE5 run just fine, crash much less, and I'm using them all day long. The box is a PII 300 w/128 Mb RAM so that should be enough. I really want to use Mozilla, but can't get it to work for longer than a few minutes. Maybe you have some secret you might want to share with me?
Yes, Dean Gaudet of the Apache Group has gotten fed up with the negative benchmarks and has committed a bunch of code for Apache 2.0. I'm just quoting him from memory, benchmarks are one of his goals. He's one of the group's OS experts.
1. If the webserver does not have a Telnet server running, a hacker can't get to a command prompt and fish around. Telnet services can be disabled on Unix, but then there's no ability to remotely administer the system.
FUD. Serious admins disable telnet and log in via SSH, using RSA authentication.
2. NT's security functions are more granular. It isn't a simple matter of getting root privledges and the-game-is-over as is the case with the Unix security model.
Do you have specifics to back this up? Otherwise it's just more FUD.
I will make a bold statement however. The author brushed on the topic some. I don't think Opensource software can create anything new.
Not true. There are many open source applications that are innovative: Apache, qmail, postfix, perl are examples of heavily used software that aren't just a copy of older stuff.
Gnome has been said to be a combination of Next, Windows, Mac, other user interfaces
Sure, just like Windows UI was inspired by the Mac, which in turn was ripped off the Xerox Star. So the Xerox Star is the only new UI ?
Gimme a break. What does DB in DBM stand for?
A database is just something that can store and retrieve data. Whether it supports SQL, commit/rollback, etc, is another story.
In fact why just commit/rollback ? What about sub-queries, which MySQL doesn't implement either?
A kernel panic is nothing of the sort, it's a bug. Like previous posters said, no user program should be able to panic or crash the kernel.
This has generated some noise here and has had the effect is that a law is being passed right now in Parliament that basically states that a hosting service or ISP be held responsible only for content is has contributed to create or produce, or if it hasn't promptly removed access to the content when summoned by a court. The speaker then goes on to say that he specifically added this last clause to prevent undue preventive censorship by ISP's.
This law, if it makes it through the legislative process in those terms, is pretty good in that it not only protects hosting services, it also protects free speech by requiring that the ISP not censor any content unless summoned by court.
This is odd, IBM has several people committing stuff to the Apache source tree, their work was even recently voted by the Apache Group as the basis for the next Apache (2.0?). Those IBM'ers post a lot to the Apache dev mailing list.
As for the survey... 500 Internal Server Error.
Looks like someone should read CGI for dummies, or something.
Hi,
I'm currently running several flavors of Unix, mostly *BSD. I want to set up a Linux box. Which distro should I use? I do not use packages, I prefer to download source, compile, and install applications myself, "by hand" if you will.
Which distro would be best suited for someone like me ?
Not only that, but for domains that are listed, no contact information is given. What a bunch of lamers. Let's slashdot www.internic.net, that'll teach 'em.