Simple solution really: anything that depends on large infrastructure investments up front, like railroad or landline telecommunications should belong in the hands of the government, who is then obligated to lease it out to multiple private companies. Since the government is non-profit by nature, it should reinvest the income from the leases into maintenance and expansion of the infrastructure. Result: cheap infrastructure, so the private companies can compete for price and service without giving up profitability.
The problem with privatizing such large infrastructures is that the companies that end up owning them can present a very effective barrier to entry in their relative markets. Witness the European telcos: the worst offenders regarding monopoly pricing and anticompetitive behaviour are Deutsche Telekom, British Telecom and to a lesser extent KPN.
I've taken you to reply to as you seem to be the most sensible in this whole gun debate. You got to remember that we here in Europe only get to see the bad consequences of gun ownership on tv. We see the guys that gun down schoolchildren, or the paranoid militia kooks with military grade arsenals, but I am sure there are millions of Americans who own firearms and treat them responsibly.
So here's the question, out of curiousity: what are the safeguards in place in the US to ensure that only the responsible citizen gets to own a gun? What kind of tests are available now, is there some sort of certification? And if not, is that not the direction you need to go for gun control, instead of trying to ban guns outright?
Note this is a serious question, and if you or anyone else want to continue this debate (I am curious) you can mail me if you want.
Yes, but why does Qt insist on providing its own font rendering engine for Type 1 fonts, since X knows how to handle these perfectly well? Since I see a lot of difference in how the fonts are handled this is the only conclusion I can draw.
See subject. I quite like Konqueror, but there are 2 annoyances that keep me using Galeon (aside from the fact that I am a Gnome user anyway):
Qt's AA is nice but it makes a hash of Type 1 fonts. My primary Serif font is Adobe New Century Schoolbook, and at point sizes above 14 Qt turns it into an ugly blocky mess. It is not the only Type 1 font so affected. AFAICT Konq does AA reliably only with TrueType fonts.
Maybe I am blind, but it seems the only way to set your homepage in Konq is by changing the default home directory. When I want to manage files I don't want my homepage to come up dammit!
So, while I am quite impressed with the visual slickness of KDE, I don't use it as my desktop, and if its browser keeps sucking I won't use that on my Gnome desktop either.
In order to work seamlessly, your VPN would have to be kernel level, living in or below your TCP IP stack so that other applications automatically get VPN communications when they do normal network access calls.
And that is where the explanation starts smelling fishy. If the VPN code of ZK lives in kernel space, then distro differences don't play a role. AFAIK, a vanilla kernel runs the same on all distro's, so pointing to distro differences as an obstacle is a straw man.
Mart (posting late, so I won't be read unfortunately)
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X is forwarded by default via SSH on several Linux distributions.
No it isn't. Most Linux distributions come with OpenSSH, straight out of the OpenBSD tree, only slightly tweaked to run on Linux (like SysV init instead of *BSD). OpenSSH has X-forward turned off by default (in keeping with OpenBSD philosphy).
even Schindler's List strays from the truth in it's depiction of Oscar Schindler.
How so? I just saw it recently on TV again (it's a fixture on May 4th, Remembrance Day in the Netherlands), and it shows Oskar Schindler as a shameless opportunist for about two thirds of the movie at least. He doesn't realise the plight of his Jewish workers until the very last scenes.
I agree the movie may be somewhat over-dramatized, but the constant harping on the accuracy is getting on my nerves a little, not to mention the yahoos that say that Spielberg has no right as a Hollywood director to make a movie about the Holocaust (hint: Spielberg is Jewish for crying out loud).
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I was going to mod the parent up as insightful, but I think this remark deserves a reply. I think he meant to say:
Since the entire economy of a modern nation
in times of war is geared to produce the tools of war..
Glibc does call the kernel yes. It is able to do that because Linus has added a line to the kernel License stating that code using the normal kernel system calls is exempt from the GPL.
Read it again. If your code is not essential to the functioning of my program, then the fact that your code is GPL'ed is moot. So it is possible to write GPL code that extends proprietary code without invoking the GPL on the original code.
What is necessary is of course a huge grey area, but in this case it is fairly clear cut, as the extended functionality in the GPL'ed DLLs is advertised as an essential function of the program, thus the program must be GPL or it can't use the DLL.
In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.
So Red Hat bundling non-GPL and GPL apps on a single CD do not violate the GPL, and neither do you after installation, since both cases are 'mere aggregation'.
* Harassing the Europeans is a job for a separate posting. They've got similar problems with common identification numbers and the economics of computers, and while European Data Privacy Laws may be slightly larger bandages, they also provide government visibility into privately held databases (your pocket organizer or mobile phone's number list are databases, and they can go fishing in your machines for other data you might be suspected of having), they've decently demonstrated a continuing Willingness to Throw Them Over When Their Police Ask Nicely.
Oh no they don't. Before I turn over my data in my mobile phone/organizer, they'd better serve me a warrant. Otherwise they cannot force me to hand over my data.
And yes, all my data is keyed on my social security id (Social/Fiscal number or SoFi number down here in.nl). Fat lot of good that is going to do to data miners, as they are not allowed to give out my data to third parties without my permission anyway, and even the government is bound by very strict regulations as to what data it's various services may exchange
Just because our laws differ, doesn't make them worse. Do a little investigation before sounding off please (and yes, sometimes the government fucks up the laws I agree with that).
Hate to break it to you, but a right wing group calling itself anarchist is about the same as the cracker/hacker situation. Bakunin's ideology is definitely left-wing, ISTR he even called Lenin a reactionary
If you want to continue this discussion, we can move it to e-mail (yes it's valid), as we're moving off-topic, and I don't particularly want to incur the wrath of the moderators <g>.
I don't know where people get these fantastical notions of the "far left" wanting to control people's thoughts. I'm very far left and I think there should be no government whatsoever.
Then you obviously don't understand what "far left" means
Ahem! You have not heard of anarchism? And you post from a.edu domain??!
Good answers. I'll try and answer as best as I can.
Now RedHat is going to train our employees??
Maybe not directly, no. But they do have a very well regarded training program. From what I've heard, RHCE means something. More than MCSE at least. They do, however, charge a tidy bundle for it, so this is one of their revenue streams, and as corporate adoption of Linux grows, they of course hope to increase that revenue.
...their competitors get the product for free. we are talking GPL remember.
Indeed. Read the GPL, if RH does custom app development, the GPL only forces them to share the source with those they sell the custom app to. Of course RH is free to use that source when someone else wants a similar app developed, thus cutting down on R&D costs.
apt-get is free. you pay for redhat because you like the company or something?
No I don't. I use Debian too. However, RH update service is more than just download and install, it also encompasses remote managament. In effect RH offers a way to companies to outsource a lot of a sysadmin's duties, thus the company needs less sysadmin man-hours to manage their software, thus lowering their (buzzword alert!) TCO. At least this is what RH wants us to believe, I can't vow for the effectiveness of this way of doing business. I have my doubts as well.
being a target is not a way to make money
That remains to be seen. I could well see RH setting minimum performance and security guarantees in a corporate contract. That way they would take on some liability yes, but PHBs like to have someone to blame, and might be willing to pay big bucks for that.
So, I do think that RH's business model makes sense, it just remains to be seen just how succesful it will be. I don't think they will make billions on it, but several millions a year is still a viable business, and I think that is possible.
Don't forget to tell the whole story. The Russian economy being in a shambles, Russia was not able to deliver the supply module in time. I saw some arrogant NASA spokesmen assert basically: "Well, then we will have to spend millions more to build it ourselves".
They conveniently forgot to mention that:
It would cost more to build it themselves than it would cost to pay the Russians to finish it.
The Russians are the world's foremost scientists and engineers when it comes to extended stays in space, due to simply massive experience
This charade lasted for months, delaying the construction of the ISS. Meanwhile NASA and US politicians whined about the mounting costs caused by this, while their own narrow-minded nationalism caused the whole mess in the first place.
So yes, the US paid for the Russian module. But a little perspective wouldn't hurt.
The final point is Katz's arrogance. He will not respond to posts. Period. Katz's uses Slashdot as a mouthpiece but doesn't join in the chorus of voices. It's an arrogance that I find quite stunning -- and something that I'm surprised more people don't find offensive.
And you know why? Because you have just proven for all to see your own arrogance. God! Do you ever read the discussions following a Katz article? Or are you too wrapped up in your own little self-important whining that you are going to post?
I do not quite like Katz' writing style. I think he could often do with cutting out a few words out of his sentences, and a few sentences out of his essays, but apart from this it is OK, and it does get the discussion started. And I know for a fact that he does post in the discussions, although I start to wonder why he even bothers anymore with arrogant jerks like you around.
Check a few past articles before you start flaming me back please, and meaybe then we can have a civil discussion. Until then, I will not waste any more words on an immature little kid like you.
Allow me to explain: you're still thinking as a consumer, where support means hand-holding to the clueless lusers that can't even find their power buttons. I'm overdoing it a bit but you get my point. This however is not what Red Hat is talking about when they say they'll make their money from support. Sure, they will do it, but it's at a loss I'm sure. No, where the real money is, is in corporate support, ie training, custom development, update services and of course being a target for the PHB's to point at when things go wrong.
I know I'm late, but I hope this lays down the myth for once and for all that a support business model implies buggy software.
Mart
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There is no debugging code in the prebuilt binaries.
Hmmm. I didn't know that. Thanks. It is true that gcc 3.0 gives a visible increase in performance though, I was really amazed at how smooth Mozilla was after I tried that (It was Moz0.8 FYI). Now I'm just waiting for the inevitable problems to happen as punishment for using an alpha compiler:)
I didn't see your e-mail anywhere, so I'll reply here: The right authority for complaints is the Registratiekamer (Chamber of Registration). I know that violations happen, but do check whether or not you have a listed phone number. KPN is allowed to sell data on its customers, as long as they have a listed number (it's in the contract you sign with them), reason being that anybody can pick that info out of the phone book anyway.
I see a lot of posts which completely misconstrue the point of the EU Personal Data regulations. Whether this is simple ignorance, or fostered by US corporate propaganda I don't know, but I will try to set things straight a little, from my own experience with the Dutch version of these regulations, the Wet Bescherming Persoonsgegevens, or Personal Data Protection Act (I work for a bank, so I am supposed to know this).
First of all, it is perfectly legal for a corporation to build up a customer database and use it for marketing purposes. How long it is allowed to keep this database seems to be open to local regulations, but it is legal.
However, the sting is in what a corp is allowed to do with the gathered data. In effect, the data can only be used inside the corporation itself. It is strictly forbidden to share this with any third parties without the explicit written permission of the customer. In the Netherlands this is enforced pretty strongly, at my work we're not even allowed to give out info to colleagues from another subsidiary.
This is where the EU and the US differ: in the US it is accepted practice to sell customer data to third parties, and we've all seen the horror stories on Slashdot about the consequences of this (spam, among others). The EU is merely hardening its stance (and we've been negotiating for the last few years) vs the US and saying, unless you guarantee the integrity of our citizens' data by law, we will allow noone to export this data to you unless this integrity is protected by contract.
So for the record, this whole discussion is old news (but still interesting), and has nothing to do with the routing of internet packets, as I've seen some people suggest.
Mart
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I am seeing about a 10 MByte difference in RAM for the process (explaining the loading time difference).
Try running Konq under Gnome, and you'll see the real reasons: most of the components are already initialized and loaded under KDE, so the only thing that starts is Konq itself. Under Gnome, it has to load the libraries and kdeinit as well. That takes about 10 seconds on my machine.
Aside from that it's a decent alternative to Mozilla, with the exception that KDEs font handling is a little whacky: Type 1 fonts that render perfectly in Mozilla, turn out real ugly and blocky under Konq, even with AA. Don't believe me? Try using New Century Schoolbook at 14+ points in Konq and you'll see what I mean.
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<AOL>Yep. Me too, I have no problems with Mozilla.</AOL> However, I must say quite honestly that I have been building from source since December, and doing a./configure --disable-debug --enable-optimize=-O2 gives a marked improvement in performance. I sit at about 20M memory use, and rendering is quite fast.
This week, I rebuilt with the Debian snapshot of gcc 3.0, and man, Mozilla is fast! So the main problem with the prebuilt binaries is indeed the debugging code. Menu handling is a little sluggish, but that's why I prefer Galeon in the first place.
BTW this is on a katmai PIII-500, 256M, but I had the same experience with 128M.
Sigh. You just don't get it do you? Let me quote timothy for you:
the scrappy, beleagered protector of Internet Freedom and Goodness and, well, Napster.
Since you left your sense of sarcasm at home, I'll spell it out for you: the scrappy, beleagered protector of Internet Freedom and Goodness is supposed to be Microsoft in this statement. It's called sarcasm, you might try looking it up in a dictionary sometime, before you let your blind hatred of Napster take over and let you make a fool of yourself in public by not getting it.
Taco, can we have another moderation category? Clueless starts sounding better every day.
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Simple solution really: anything that depends on large infrastructure investments up front, like railroad or landline telecommunications should belong in the hands of the government, who is then obligated to lease it out to multiple private companies. Since the government is non-profit by nature, it should reinvest the income from the leases into maintenance and expansion of the infrastructure. Result: cheap infrastructure, so the private companies can compete for price and service without giving up profitability.
The problem with privatizing such large infrastructures is that the companies that end up owning them can present a very effective barrier to entry in their relative markets. Witness the European telcos: the worst offenders regarding monopoly pricing and anticompetitive behaviour are Deutsche Telekom, British Telecom and to a lesser extent KPN.
MartBob,
I've taken you to reply to as you seem to be the most sensible in this whole gun debate. You got to remember that we here in Europe only get to see the bad consequences of gun ownership on tv. We see the guys that gun down schoolchildren, or the paranoid militia kooks with military grade arsenals, but I am sure there are millions of Americans who own firearms and treat them responsibly.
So here's the question, out of curiousity: what are the safeguards in place in the US to ensure that only the responsible citizen gets to own a gun? What kind of tests are available now, is there some sort of certification? And if not, is that not the direction you need to go for gun control, instead of trying to ban guns outright?
Note this is a serious question, and if you or anyone else want to continue this debate (I am curious) you can mail me if you want.
MartYes, but why does Qt insist on providing its own font rendering engine for Type 1 fonts, since X knows how to handle these perfectly well? Since I see a lot of difference in how the fonts are handled this is the only conclusion I can draw.
MartSee subject. I quite like Konqueror, but there are 2 annoyances that keep me using Galeon (aside from the fact that I am a Gnome user anyway):
So, while I am quite impressed with the visual slickness of KDE, I don't use it as my desktop, and if its browser keeps sucking I won't use that on my Gnome desktop either.
MartAnd that is where the explanation starts smelling fishy. If the VPN code of ZK lives in kernel space, then distro differences don't play a role. AFAIK, a vanilla kernel runs the same on all distro's, so pointing to distro differences as an obstacle is a straw man.
Mart (posting late, so I won't be read unfortunately)X is forwarded by default via SSH on several Linux distributions.
No it isn't. Most Linux distributions come with OpenSSH, straight out of the OpenBSD tree, only slightly tweaked to run on Linux (like SysV init instead of *BSD). OpenSSH has X-forward turned off by default (in keeping with OpenBSD philosphy).
MartHow so? I just saw it recently on TV again (it's a fixture on May 4th, Remembrance Day in the Netherlands), and it shows Oskar Schindler as a shameless opportunist for about two thirds of the movie at least. He doesn't realise the plight of his Jewish workers until the very last scenes.
I agree the movie may be somewhat over-dramatized, but the constant harping on the accuracy is getting on my nerves a little, not to mention the yahoos that say that Spielberg has no right as a Hollywood director to make a movie about the Holocaust (hint: Spielberg is Jewish for crying out loud).
MartI was going to mod the parent up as insightful, but I think this remark deserves a reply. I think he meant to say:
Hope this clarifies it a bit.
MartGlibc does call the kernel yes. It is able to do that because Linus has added a line to the kernel License stating that code using the normal kernel system calls is exempt from the GPL.
MartRead it again. If your code is not essential to the functioning of my program, then the fact that your code is GPL'ed is moot. So it is possible to write GPL code that extends proprietary code without invoking the GPL on the original code.
What is necessary is of course a huge grey area, but in this case it is fairly clear cut, as the extended functionality in the GPL'ed DLLs is advertised as an essential function of the program, thus the program must be GPL or it can't use the DLL.
MartSimple answer, straight from the license:
In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License.
So Red Hat bundling non-GPL and GPL apps on a single CD do not violate the GPL, and neither do you after installation, since both cases are 'mere aggregation'.
MartAnd yes, all my data is keyed on my social security id (Social/Fiscal number or SoFi number down here in .nl). Fat lot of good that is going to do to data miners, as they are not allowed to give out my data to third parties without my permission anyway, and even the government is bound by very strict regulations as to what data it's various services may exchange
Just because our laws differ, doesn't make them worse. Do a little investigation before sounding off please (and yes, sometimes the government fucks up the laws I agree with that).
MartHate to break it to you, but a right wing group calling itself anarchist is about the same as the cracker/hacker situation. Bakunin's ideology is definitely left-wing, ISTR he even called Lenin a reactionary
If you want to continue this discussion, we can move it to e-mail (yes it's valid), as we're moving off-topic, and I don't particularly want to incur the wrath of the moderators <g>.
MartAhem! You have not heard of anarchism? And you post from a .edu domain??!
MartWell, there is only one solution then, isn't it?
MartGood answers. I'll try and answer as best as I can.
Now RedHat is going to train our employees??
Maybe not directly, no. But they do have a very well regarded training program. From what I've heard, RHCE means something. More than MCSE at least. They do, however, charge a tidy bundle for it, so this is one of their revenue streams, and as corporate adoption of Linux grows, they of course hope to increase that revenue.
Indeed. Read the GPL, if RH does custom app development, the GPL only forces them to share the source with those they sell the custom app to. Of course RH is free to use that source when someone else wants a similar app developed, thus cutting down on R&D costs.
apt-get is free. you pay for redhat because you like the company or something?
No I don't. I use Debian too. However, RH update service is more than just download and install, it also encompasses remote managament. In effect RH offers a way to companies to outsource a lot of a sysadmin's duties, thus the company needs less sysadmin man-hours to manage their software, thus lowering their (buzzword alert!) TCO. At least this is what RH wants us to believe, I can't vow for the effectiveness of this way of doing business. I have my doubts as well.
being a target is not a way to make money
That remains to be seen. I could well see RH setting minimum performance and security guarantees in a corporate contract. That way they would take on some liability yes, but PHBs like to have someone to blame, and might be willing to pay big bucks for that.
So, I do think that RH's business model makes sense, it just remains to be seen just how succesful it will be. I don't think they will make billions on it, but several millions a year is still a viable business, and I think that is possible.
The Americans PAID for the Russian module.
Don't forget to tell the whole story. The Russian economy being in a shambles, Russia was not able to deliver the supply module in time. I saw some arrogant NASA spokesmen assert basically: "Well, then we will have to spend millions more to build it ourselves".
They conveniently forgot to mention that:
This charade lasted for months, delaying the construction of the ISS. Meanwhile NASA and US politicians whined about the mounting costs caused by this, while their own narrow-minded nationalism caused the whole mess in the first place.
So yes, the US paid for the Russian module. But a little perspective wouldn't hurt.
MartThe final point is Katz's arrogance. He will not respond to posts. Period. Katz's uses Slashdot as a mouthpiece but doesn't join in the chorus of voices. It's an arrogance that I find quite stunning -- and something that I'm surprised more people don't find offensive.
And you know why? Because you have just proven for all to see your own arrogance. God! Do you ever read the discussions following a Katz article? Or are you too wrapped up in your own little self-important whining that you are going to post?
I do not quite like Katz' writing style. I think he could often do with cutting out a few words out of his sentences, and a few sentences out of his essays, but apart from this it is OK, and it does get the discussion started. And I know for a fact that he does post in the discussions, although I start to wonder why he even bothers anymore with arrogant jerks like you around.
Check a few past articles before you start flaming me back please, and meaybe then we can have a civil discussion. Until then, I will not waste any more words on an immature little kid like you.
MartUuuhhh....no.
Allow me to explain: you're still thinking as a consumer, where support means hand-holding to the clueless lusers that can't even find their power buttons. I'm overdoing it a bit but you get my point. This however is not what Red Hat is talking about when they say they'll make their money from support. Sure, they will do it, but it's at a loss I'm sure. No, where the real money is, is in corporate support, ie training, custom development, update services and of course being a target for the PHB's to point at when things go wrong.
I know I'm late, but I hope this lays down the myth for once and for all that a support business model implies buggy software.
MartThere is no debugging code in the prebuilt binaries.
Hmmm. I didn't know that. Thanks. It is true that gcc 3.0 gives a visible increase in performance though, I was really amazed at how smooth Mozilla was after I tried that (It was Moz0.8 FYI). Now I'm just waiting for the inevitable problems to happen as punishment for using an alpha compiler :)
MartWell,
I didn't see your e-mail anywhere, so I'll reply here: The right authority for complaints is the Registratiekamer (Chamber of Registration). I know that violations happen, but do check whether or not you have a listed phone number. KPN is allowed to sell data on its customers, as long as they have a listed number (it's in the contract you sign with them), reason being that anybody can pick that info out of the phone book anyway.
MartOk,
I see a lot of posts which completely misconstrue the point of the EU Personal Data regulations. Whether this is simple ignorance, or fostered by US corporate propaganda I don't know, but I will try to set things straight a little, from my own experience with the Dutch version of these regulations, the Wet Bescherming Persoonsgegevens, or Personal Data Protection Act (I work for a bank, so I am supposed to know this).
First of all, it is perfectly legal for a corporation to build up a customer database and use it for marketing purposes. How long it is allowed to keep this database seems to be open to local regulations, but it is legal.
However, the sting is in what a corp is allowed to do with the gathered data. In effect, the data can only be used inside the corporation itself. It is strictly forbidden to share this with any third parties without the explicit written permission of the customer. In the Netherlands this is enforced pretty strongly, at my work we're not even allowed to give out info to colleagues from another subsidiary.
This is where the EU and the US differ: in the US it is accepted practice to sell customer data to third parties, and we've all seen the horror stories on Slashdot about the consequences of this (spam, among others). The EU is merely hardening its stance (and we've been negotiating for the last few years) vs the US and saying, unless you guarantee the integrity of our citizens' data by law, we will allow noone to export this data to you unless this integrity is protected by contract.
So for the record, this whole discussion is old news (but still interesting), and has nothing to do with the routing of internet packets, as I've seen some people suggest.
MartI am seeing about a 10 MByte difference in RAM for the process (explaining the loading time difference).
Try running Konq under Gnome, and you'll see the real reasons: most of the components are already initialized and loaded under KDE, so the only thing that starts is Konq itself. Under Gnome, it has to load the libraries and kdeinit as well. That takes about 10 seconds on my machine.
Aside from that it's a decent alternative to Mozilla, with the exception that KDEs font handling is a little whacky: Type 1 fonts that render perfectly in Mozilla, turn out real ugly and blocky under Konq, even with AA. Don't believe me? Try using New Century Schoolbook at 14+ points in Konq and you'll see what I mean.
Mart<AOL>Yep. Me too, I have no problems with Mozilla.</AOL> However, I must say quite honestly that I have been building from source since December, and doing a ./configure --disable-debug --enable-optimize=-O2 gives a marked improvement in performance. I sit at about 20M memory use, and rendering is quite fast.
This week, I rebuilt with the Debian snapshot of gcc 3.0, and man, Mozilla is fast! So the main problem with the prebuilt binaries is indeed the debugging code. Menu handling is a little sluggish, but that's why I prefer Galeon in the first place.
BTW this is on a katmai PIII-500, 256M, but I had the same experience with 128M.
MartSigh. You just don't get it do you? Let me quote timothy for you:
Since you left your sense of sarcasm at home, I'll spell it out for you: the scrappy, beleagered protector of Internet Freedom and Goodness is supposed to be Microsoft in this statement. It's called sarcasm, you might try looking it up in a dictionary sometime, before you let your blind hatred of Napster take over and let you make a fool of yourself in public by not getting it.
Taco, can we have another moderation category? Clueless starts sounding better every day.
Mart