I want a few of these. If I only paid attenting during Spanish at school.
What is the purpose of trying to provide people with computers that are most probably too stupid and ignorant to use them correctly in the first place? And why do people think that a computer is a solution to ANY problem?
On a more happy note, at least they are putting Linux into them, I guess this is to prevent the Gov't phone lines from being flooded by questions about a strange blue screen. Like Microsoft(TM) Windows(TM) 98(TM)SE(TM) would ever fit in 16 MB of flash Memory.
Here is the thing. Why should we not blame Juno for this? It is true that companies are allowed to do what is within the law. I dont really care if they are doing this or not. I will not use their service and tell others not to do so. But most people dont read the liscense and just agree to whatever pops on their screen. Does that make it right? No.
And yes I know their program will not hurt any processor or hardware. And most people wont even know it is running. The point I was trying to make is, How FAR will companies go to make money? I am seriously thinking about installing this and putting a filter just to see WHAT data it transmits.
These are the sort of tactics by companies that have no monetary income except for advertising. Since most people in general hate advertising and just ignore it, Juno is looking for a way to make money. Their idea is not even original. SETI@Home have been doing this for years, and I have NO problem with their software running on my computers becuase it is for genuine research, sort of. Who knows what Juno will be doing, they don't tell you.
The thing that I also do not like is that they may require you to keep your computer on 24 hours a day, and you cannot disable the screensaver that runs while processing. Last time I checked, I payed for my computers and I will turn them off whenever I damn well please. I'm starting to rant, so I'll just shut up now.
I just read the whole policy and wow, they just keep on getting better.
1. They can download stuff to your computer and make it do work. 2. It works like a screen saver and you are not ALLOWED to disable it. You also cannot un-install Windows or they will simply kill you. 3. They can make your computer call their servers to upload results and any other thing they find on your computer, because you wont know. 4. They may require you to keep your computer on 24 hours a day, and oh by the way are NOT responsible for the electricity it consumes. Why should they be, you're stupid not to have read the policy in the first place. 5. They are not responsible for any damages caused by your computer working on a problem while you are not on it. This will probably include very intensive Mathematical Calculations that I know a overclocked processor will just love. 6. They can send someone to your house to turn your computer on if you leave it off. Why not. It would be funny. That same person can also connect your computer back to the phone line becuase you disconnected it because it was calling their servers 5 states away. 7. They can all laugh at you for actually agreeing to this. Then having Jim win the office pool becasue he guessed right on the amount of people that never will read the agreement anyway.
Finally Juno can do anything it damn well programs its software to do on your computer all in the name of Freedom from Paying for the NET!
Come on People bend over and pay $20 a month for a real ISP, one that doesn't basically put an employee looking over your shoulder at your computer anytime you use it.
Great. I've been running a dual P2 system for over a year, and just recently got a 1 gig Athlon. The Dual processors are nice but only in SMP sytems. (duh) The only reason why I found out about Linux was that I hated NT and its crashing every day! SO I installed Linux on the dual machine and never looked back since.
The DDR memory is nice, but its still too expensive for now. The money you save on the Athlons compared to P3's, the memory will suck out anyway. But if you're getting Dual P3's with DDR Ram well then you're screwed anyways.
I'm gonna wait till they refine the SMP in the Athlons before jumping on board that ship. There will be bugs that need to be worked out so it will prolly be cheaper to wait a little while.
Didn't Toms Hardware run a story on Dual AMD chips a while ago. I dont remember if they had any benchmarks or not. I'm too lazy to check, plus why shoud I do the work for you all! Ok. Gotta get back to work.
spelling checks do good not if you have awesome grammar skill. I likes to focus on what I'm talking rather than how I'm typing. I apologizes fors the spelling error, and I hope to makes it better in the futures. I shall run my post through the Word's Spelling Checker's to it can say that there be no spelling errors but the whole statements wills lights up in green!
Lord Arathres
Re:This ship didn't really sink
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From the release...
We are selling our BattleTech and Shadowrun properties to Wizkids LLC, along with certain assets of Ral Partha Enterprises.
As most of you know, Wizkids was started by Jordan Weisman, a founder of FASA and the creator of the incredibly successful new game line Mage Knight Rebellion.
Signed at the bottom by...
Morton Weisman
I do believe you are correct in your family statement. Kind of funny and a good business move too.
Lord Arathres
It is sad to see a good company go.
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It is always sad to see a good company go down. FASA has made great games like Shadowrun and Battletech and too see go is like watching a really good friend move 3000 miles away hoping you wont lose touch, but knowing that you will. It is good that another will take its place with the same products so players will not have to worry too much. This story reminds me of the complete destruction and saddnes that surrounded Microprose and it's demise, another great company that failed.
Actually I'm basing my opinion on several experiances which I have had, not 1. Also it is on other peoples experiances that I have been told about. And I AM a genius just to let you know.
By that logic, every farmer who has ever sold a bushel of corn or wheat should be in prison.
No, farmers sell corn to make a living, and most of them cannot even do that. The government pays a lot of farmers NOT TO farm becuase if there is too MUCH corn the market prices on it will drop! If you think i'm full of crap go do some research and you'll find some very interesting things.
I do not mind companies making money, if it sounded that way I apologize. My problem is companies patenting things they never made, DNA, they were just the first ones to sequence it. So what. Aspirin was never patented becuase it was Natural and by wording anything that comes from nature cannot be patented. Their claim is that the DNA is natural but the sequence of it had to be researched and therefore a patent can be made on the specific sequence, which does not make any sense.
I'm tired and rambling, but you do have a good point, I agree that making money from investment is good, just dont let money be the guiding factor in anything that can become potentially dangerous.
Wow, Im impressed. I really do feel for the postal workers that had to put up with that. But it is funny as hell. It really is amazing what the USPS actually accomplishes with the sheer volume of mail that goes through them. I'm surprised the $20 didnt disappear.
You used to be able to send mail locally by putting the address you want it to go to in the return place and then not putting a stamp on it which would come back with postage needed, but since it was for them anyway it worked. Cant really do that for long distances (duh).
I am surprised the hammer never made it though. The broken brick pieces are funny, Go War on Drugs!!! Shouldnt they be actually patrolling the streets instead of looking for drugs in a brick! Guess thats why we're losing that war.
Anyway I though the story was funny as hell, go read it!
Dude, someday, you're going to graduate from high school and you'll have to move out of mommy's basement. How're you going to get laid then?
Yes I do program for clusters every day, at least for the past 8 months since I've had a contract to do that. The government has a lot of nice clusters.
I graduated from high school a while ago, and I do get laid. Just becuase I post on slashdot with a strong opinons that entices people does not make me a 15 year old high schooler.
Grow up and stop flaming people because you think you're cool.
Sorry to reply to my own comment but something got cut out.
even then not many people/. readers dont count would want to live there. It would be taking a BIG step back in time practically.
I know that it would be theoretically possible to colonize Mars and turn it into a Earth-like planet. The problem is not techonology but one if time and money. The biggest backers of this so called project would be the big international Space communities like the US, Russia, England, etc.. I do not think that coutries will be willing to spend trillions (guess) to colonize another planet when they can spend that money here to improve things.
Time will be another factor, It would take a long time for Mars to even start showing signs that our efforts are working. It would be even longer before people would be able to live there and even then not many (
Ok Enough bad talking. I REALLY do hope this happens and I hope that the people who ever is in charge of this project once it gets under way really think about how they will do this, the last thing we need is to have a Standard/Metric calculation mismatch and turn Mars into Waterworld!
I personally cannot stand any person who has a certificate and thinks they know what they are talking about. I see them everyday! "Oh look at me and my new MCSE, I'm so cool!" Yea Yea.
The fact is I know how to program using clusters, I do it everyday on my network at home. I've never taken a programming class in my life. I have no certificates and never will, etc etc. Enough of that.
I think this "clustering for dummies" thing will be good because it will give people who have never even had the chance to play with one let them do so. I know its a cool feeling to link a dozen or so old crap computers and watch them do things my new 1Ghz Athlon would only dream of!
It is about time this sort of thing came out for the masses, (linux masses, we're growing). I hope it gives people an insight of how and why clusters work how they do.
These programs aren't hard to decode, spend a little time on them and it's not that hard. I'm thinking they were written using standard formatting (if there is a standard) and then tweaking them so they look unreadable.
At first glance of the code, it looks completely unreadable and worthless, until you compile it and realize it actually works! Genius.
I have a hard enough time doing regular programming, I shudder at the thought of trying to make something like this.
I like the fact that this is a very good way to confuse people and just plain annoy them when someone asks for your source code and you know they're just gonna copy it and slap their name on it and pretend they wrote it. Makes good presents too. "Here's that game I wrote blah blah, just read through it and tweak the settings." he he.
Too bad the site is already slashdotted. Later all
I've been following this whole HDTV thing, but I just dont get it. I mean why spend $1000+ on a TV that you can only use in certain areas and that costs way too much money. I mean I dont NEED a HDTV, I dont WANT a HDTV, I have a hard enough time leaving my house as is with just computers, had I a good tv, I might never leave.
Depending on who you are that might be a good thing.
One day we wont have internet lag.
One day our connection will be several gigs/sec.
One day there will be no keyboards.
One day etc etc...
This is all fine and good and it will be one day, however I do not think that fibre optic cabling will allow us all to do this. First of all it is VERY expensive and not easy to repair if it sits on the bottom of the ocean. I think better satellite systems and/or wireless will be the future. But currently that is what we have and we are making it work.
It impresses me how much cable has already been laid and how much more will be. The cost and resources must be staggering. I've been on ships and just trying to imagine laying cable behind the ship for THOUSANDS of miles if well and I quote...
"Whoa"
I still guess it is easier than laying down fibre optic networks on land b/c of all the construction etc necessary.
Until that day that we all have a direct fibre optic connection or satellite (not current crap satellites but good ones) connections I guess i'll be stuck with my 18 kb/sec DSL connection. I should not complain as I remember back when the 2400 baud modems came out and then the 9600 was revolutionary that we HAD to have even thinking "How can they make this better?"
just my 1:40 am half asleep at work opinion.
Lord Arathres
I dont understand all this liscensing (prolly spelled wrong) bs. I mean if you are going to release the source code, then do it. Dont put all these stipulations on it. I know people will say that others can just recompile it and change the name and then re-sell it. So What, if you are afraid of that dont release your code.
Every program I've ever written came with source code. No GPL ever. If I make a program for the open source community let them have it. If some moron just renames it I dont care, even under the GPL what can I do, sue him. All this world need is to support more lawyers.
I dis-regard every liscense. All these companies saying "by using this software you are agreeing..." blah blah blah. I'll use whatever code or software I can find to write a program I need. I mean If Apple uses a "FOR" loop and I change that to a "WHILE" loop, I had to report it to them. Um Yea, OK. I know they changed it since but that was just stupid.
I will continue to ignore all this bs liscense info and write software that will benefit everyone. I dont care if I get credited or not, I didnt write it to boost my ego, I wrote it to help others. I will never release any source with any liscense attached to it.
Im not buying the new p4 anytime soon. I like SMP since I run Windows 2000 server at my house. A Dual p2 400 with 256 Mb ram. My next computer will be a single procressor and Im heavily leaning towards AMD since theyre not as expensive as the p4.
I do agree with Intel that they made the p4 to show the world the 'next' generation with their new instruction set, I just hope that it doesnt flop like MMX did. Everyone said MMX was the greatest thing, too bad no apps supported it. I still hear infomercialls hyping MMX makes me wanna shoot em for being morons. We here know that they are full of crap but the public has no idea and they are getting ripped off. I just hope that doesnt happen with the P4.
The P4 will one day be a good chip but it seems that now their prices are way too high, and the only explanation is that they gotta pay their thousands of employees, good thing AMD is smaller and makes better AND cheaper CPU'S.
Although you are right that computer parts themselves are basically useless and recycling them will cost more than making new ones. I wonder though if some business type will think this is greatest idea and start recycling the computer parts and then testing them to resell, going by business logic recycling 1 computer will not be profitable but recycling the "estimated" 64 million ( I think there will be a lot more since I in the past 5 years threw away the parts to 3 computers, 286,386 16 Mhz, 386 33 Mhz, I think around 2004 or so as the computer frenzy that went on in 98/99 all those comptuers sold will be outdated and pointed at the trash pile. Although it makes me think that the Athlon and new P4 if it ever ships will be easily outdated. When the general public goes on the upgrade I think a lot more than 64 million computers will be in the trash.)
The glue thing they were talking about might help the problem a little but I still think theres gonna be a lot of trash. Think about it though getting p3 gig chips for free cuz they outdated and slapping them together on quad boards might not be a bad idea.
Later
Slashdot Mirror
I want a few of these. If I only paid attenting during Spanish at school.
What is the purpose of trying to provide people with computers that are most probably too stupid and ignorant to use them correctly in the first place? And why do people think that a computer is a solution to ANY problem?
On a more happy note, at least they are putting Linux into them, I guess this is to prevent the Gov't phone lines from being flooded by questions about a strange blue screen. Like Microsoft(TM) Windows(TM) 98(TM)SE(TM) would ever fit in 16 MB of flash Memory.
Lord Arathres
Here is the thing. Why should we not blame Juno for this? It is true that companies are allowed to do what is within the law. I dont really care if they are doing this or not. I will not use their service and tell others not to do so. But most people dont read the liscense and just agree to whatever pops on their screen. Does that make it right? No.
And yes I know their program will not hurt any processor or hardware. And most people wont even know it is running. The point I was trying to make is, How FAR will companies go to make money? I am seriously thinking about installing this and putting a filter just to see WHAT data it transmits.
These are the sort of tactics by companies that have no monetary income except for advertising. Since most people in general hate advertising and just ignore it, Juno is looking for a way to make money. Their idea is not even original. SETI@Home have been doing this for years, and I have NO problem with their software running on my computers becuase it is for genuine research, sort of. Who knows what Juno will be doing, they don't tell you.
The thing that I also do not like is that they may require you to keep your computer on 24 hours a day, and you cannot disable the screensaver that runs while processing. Last time I checked, I payed for my computers and I will turn them off whenever I damn well please. I'm starting to rant, so I'll just shut up now.
Lord Arathres
I just read the whole policy and wow, they just keep on getting better.
1. They can download stuff to your computer and make it do work.
2. It works like a screen saver and you are not ALLOWED to disable it. You also cannot un-install Windows or they will simply kill you.
3. They can make your computer call their servers to upload results and any other thing they find on your computer, because you wont know.
4. They may require you to keep your computer on 24 hours a day, and oh by the way are NOT responsible for the electricity it consumes. Why should they be, you're stupid not to have read the policy in the first place.
5. They are not responsible for any damages caused by your computer working on a problem while you are not on it. This will probably include very intensive Mathematical Calculations that I know a overclocked processor will just love.
6. They can send someone to your house to turn your computer on if you leave it off. Why not. It would be funny. That same person can also connect your computer back to the phone line becuase you disconnected it because it was calling their servers 5 states away.
7. They can all laugh at you for actually agreeing to this. Then having Jim win the office pool becasue he guessed right on the amount of people that never will read the agreement anyway.
Finally Juno can do anything it damn well programs its software to do on your computer all in the name of Freedom from Paying for the NET!
Come on People bend over and pay $20 a month for a real ISP, one that doesn't basically put an employee looking over your shoulder at your computer anytime you use it.
I dont see how companies like this actually work.
Lord Arathres
"Why am I so fucking stupid?"
Reply: Because you are using Microsoft. Go back to a real OS like...
I then got a error in iexplore. too bad.
Great. I've been running a dual P2 system for over a year, and just recently got a 1 gig Athlon. The Dual processors are nice but only in SMP sytems. (duh) The only reason why I found out about Linux was that I hated NT and its crashing every day! SO I installed Linux on the dual machine and never looked back since.
The DDR memory is nice, but its still too expensive for now. The money you save on the Athlons compared to P3's, the memory will suck out anyway. But if you're getting Dual P3's with DDR Ram well then you're screwed anyways.
I'm gonna wait till they refine the SMP in the Athlons before jumping on board that ship. There will be bugs that need to be worked out so it will prolly be cheaper to wait a little while.
Didn't Toms Hardware run a story on Dual AMD chips a while ago. I dont remember if they had any benchmarks or not. I'm too lazy to check, plus why shoud I do the work for you all! Ok. Gotta get back to work.
Later
Lord Arathres
spelling checks do good not if you have awesome grammar skill. I likes to focus on what I'm talking rather than how I'm typing. I apologizes fors the spelling error, and I hope to makes it better in the futures. I shall run my post through the Word's Spelling Checker's to it can say that there be no spelling errors but the whole statements wills lights up in green!
Lord Arathres
From the release...
We are selling our BattleTech and Shadowrun properties to Wizkids LLC, along with certain assets of Ral Partha Enterprises.
As most of you know, Wizkids was started by Jordan Weisman, a founder of FASA and the creator of the incredibly successful new game line Mage Knight Rebellion.
Signed at the bottom by...
Morton Weisman
I do believe you are correct in your family statement. Kind of funny and a good business move too.
Lord Arathres
It is always sad to see a good company go down. FASA has made great games like Shadowrun and Battletech and too see go is like watching a really good friend move 3000 miles away hoping you wont lose touch, but knowing that you will. It is good that another will take its place with the same products so players will not have to worry too much. This story reminds me of the complete destruction and saddnes that surrounded Microprose and it's demise, another great company that failed.
Lord Arathres
Actually I'm basing my opinion on several experiances which I have had, not 1. Also it is on other peoples experiances that I have been told about. And I AM a genius just to let you know.
Lord Arathres
By that logic, every farmer who has ever sold a bushel of corn or wheat should be in prison.
No, farmers sell corn to make a living, and most of them cannot even do that. The government pays a lot of farmers NOT TO farm becuase if there is too MUCH corn the market prices on it will drop! If you think i'm full of crap go do some research and you'll find some very interesting things.
I do not mind companies making money, if it sounded that way I apologize. My problem is companies patenting things they never made, DNA, they were just the first ones to sequence it. So what. Aspirin was never patented becuase it was Natural and by wording anything that comes from nature cannot be patented. Their claim is that the DNA is natural but the sequence of it had to be researched and therefore a patent can be made on the specific sequence, which does not make any sense.
I'm tired and rambling, but you do have a good point, I agree that making money from investment is good, just dont let money be the guiding factor in anything that can become potentially dangerous.
Lord Arathres
I suck cock for a living.
And you're point is?
Lord Arathres
Wow, Im impressed. I really do feel for the postal workers that had to put up with that. But it is funny as hell. It really is amazing what the USPS actually accomplishes with the sheer volume of mail that goes through them. I'm surprised the $20 didnt disappear.
You used to be able to send mail locally by putting the address you want it to go to in the return place and then not putting a stamp on it which would come back with postage needed, but since it was for them anyway it worked. Cant really do that for long distances (duh).
I am surprised the hammer never made it though. The broken brick pieces are funny, Go War on Drugs!!! Shouldnt they be actually patrolling the streets instead of looking for drugs in a brick! Guess thats why we're losing that war.
Anyway I though the story was funny as hell, go read it!
Later All
Lord Arathres
Dude, someday, you're going to graduate from high school and you'll have to move out of mommy's basement. How're you going to get laid then?
Yes I do program for clusters every day, at least for the past 8 months since I've had a contract to do that. The government has a lot of nice clusters.
I graduated from high school a while ago, and I do get laid. Just becuase I post on slashdot with a strong opinons that entices people does not make me a 15 year old high schooler.
Grow up and stop flaming people because you think you're cool.
Lord Arathres
Sorry to reply to my own comment but something got cut out. even then not many people /. readers dont count would want to live there. It would be taking a BIG step back in time practically.
Later
Lord Arathres
I know that it would be theoretically possible to colonize Mars and turn it into a Earth-like planet. The problem is not techonology but one if time and money. The biggest backers of this so called project would be the big international Space communities like the US, Russia, England, etc.. I do not think that coutries will be willing to spend trillions (guess) to colonize another planet when they can spend that money here to improve things.
Time will be another factor, It would take a long time for Mars to even start showing signs that our efforts are working. It would be even longer before people would be able to live there and even then not many (
Ok Enough bad talking. I REALLY do hope this happens and I hope that the people who ever is in charge of this project once it gets under way really think about how they will do this, the last thing we need is to have a Standard/Metric calculation mismatch and turn Mars into Waterworld!
Later
Lord Arathres
I personally cannot stand any person who has a certificate and thinks they know what they are talking about. I see them everyday! "Oh look at me and my new MCSE, I'm so cool!" Yea Yea.
The fact is I know how to program using clusters, I do it everyday on my network at home. I've never taken a programming class in my life. I have no certificates and never will, etc etc. Enough of that.
I think this "clustering for dummies" thing will be good because it will give people who have never even had the chance to play with one let them do so. I know its a cool feeling to link a dozen or so old crap computers and watch them do things my new 1Ghz Athlon would only dream of!
It is about time this sort of thing came out for the masses, (linux masses, we're growing). I hope it gives people an insight of how and why clusters work how they do.
Later all
Lord Arathres
These programs aren't hard to decode, spend a little time on them and it's not that hard. I'm thinking they were written using standard formatting (if there is a standard) and then tweaking them so they look unreadable.
At first glance of the code, it looks completely unreadable and worthless, until you compile it and realize it actually works! Genius.
I have a hard enough time doing regular programming, I shudder at the thought of trying to make something like this.
I like the fact that this is a very good way to confuse people and just plain annoy them when someone asks for your source code and you know they're just gonna copy it and slap their name on it and pretend they wrote it. Makes good presents too. "Here's that game I wrote blah blah, just read through it and tweak the settings." he he.
Too bad the site is already slashdotted. Later all
Lord Arathres
I've been following this whole HDTV thing, but I just dont get it. I mean why spend $1000+ on a TV that you can only use in certain areas and that costs way too much money. I mean I dont NEED a HDTV, I dont WANT a HDTV, I have a hard enough time leaving my house as is with just computers, had I a good tv, I might never leave.
Depending on who you are that might be a good thing.
Lord Arathres
One day we wont have internet lag.
One day our connection will be several gigs/sec.
One day there will be no keyboards.
One day etc etc...
This is all fine and good and it will be one day, however I do not think that fibre optic cabling will allow us all to do this. First of all it is VERY expensive and not easy to repair if it sits on the bottom of the ocean. I think better satellite systems and/or wireless will be the future. But currently that is what we have and we are making it work.
It impresses me how much cable has already been laid and how much more will be. The cost and resources must be staggering. I've been on ships and just trying to imagine laying cable behind the ship for THOUSANDS of miles if well and I quote...
"Whoa"
I still guess it is easier than laying down fibre optic networks on land b/c of all the construction etc necessary.
Until that day that we all have a direct fibre optic connection or satellite (not current crap satellites but good ones) connections I guess i'll be stuck with my 18 kb/sec DSL connection. I should not complain as I remember back when the 2400 baud modems came out and then the 9600 was revolutionary that we HAD to have even thinking "How can they make this better?"
just my 1:40 am half asleep at work opinion.
Lord Arathres
This movie will hopefully be good, at least should be better than the D&D movie.
I dont understand all this liscensing (prolly spelled wrong) bs. I mean if you are going to release the source code, then do it. Dont put all these stipulations on it. I know people will say that others can just recompile it and change the name and then re-sell it. So What, if you are afraid of that dont release your code.
Every program I've ever written came with source code. No GPL ever. If I make a program for the open source community let them have it. If some moron just renames it I dont care, even under the GPL what can I do, sue him. All this world need is to support more lawyers.
I dis-regard every liscense. All these companies saying "by using this software you are agreeing..." blah blah blah. I'll use whatever code or software I can find to write a program I need. I mean If Apple uses a "FOR" loop and I change that to a "WHILE" loop, I had to report it to them. Um Yea, OK. I know they changed it since but that was just stupid.
I will continue to ignore all this bs liscense info and write software that will benefit everyone. I dont care if I get credited or not, I didnt write it to boost my ego, I wrote it to help others. I will never release any source with any liscense attached to it.
Thank you, and have a good night!
Lord Arathres
Im not buying the new p4 anytime soon. I like SMP since I run Windows 2000 server at my house. A Dual p2 400 with 256 Mb ram. My next computer will be a single procressor and Im heavily leaning towards AMD since theyre not as expensive as the p4. I do agree with Intel that they made the p4 to show the world the 'next' generation with their new instruction set, I just hope that it doesnt flop like MMX did. Everyone said MMX was the greatest thing, too bad no apps supported it. I still hear infomercialls hyping MMX makes me wanna shoot em for being morons. We here know that they are full of crap but the public has no idea and they are getting ripped off. I just hope that doesnt happen with the P4. The P4 will one day be a good chip but it seems that now their prices are way too high, and the only explanation is that they gotta pay their thousands of employees, good thing AMD is smaller and makes better AND cheaper CPU'S.
Although you are right that computer parts themselves are basically useless and recycling them will cost more than making new ones. I wonder though if some business type will think this is greatest idea and start recycling the computer parts and then testing them to resell, going by business logic recycling 1 computer will not be profitable but recycling the "estimated" 64 million ( I think there will be a lot more since I in the past 5 years threw away the parts to 3 computers, 286,386 16 Mhz, 386 33 Mhz, I think around 2004 or so as the computer frenzy that went on in 98/99 all those comptuers sold will be outdated and pointed at the trash pile. Although it makes me think that the Athlon and new P4 if it ever ships will be easily outdated. When the general public goes on the upgrade I think a lot more than 64 million computers will be in the trash.) The glue thing they were talking about might help the problem a little but I still think theres gonna be a lot of trash. Think about it though getting p3 gig chips for free cuz they outdated and slapping them together on quad boards might not be a bad idea. Later