Aside from your beautiful, unbiased, factually based assessment of Sen. Joe McCarthy, and your highly knowledgeable indications that Stalin actually cared who he put to death, I have to ask you...
In the universe there is only freedom and degrees of unfreedom. By definition there are no victims of capitalism, since capitialism is freedom. Unfortunately, when dealing with regimes that are unfree, one must resort to less-than-honorable tactics to secure one's interests. Not that the US is all that capitalist anymore, anyway.
After reading your website, I realize I'm wasting my time with you. I'm sorry, but I hope you don't fall as hard as I did when I realized that socialism = death.
I wonder if you are not just arguing for the hell of it, because you are acting like you are. You make a lame assertion with no backup, I supply facts which deny your assertion, you slander and make new lame assertion.
Sen. McCarthy wanted to know why there were communist agents working at the State Department. He was stonewalled. His personality didn't help matters, but he understood the brevity of the situation. He understood that communism seeks the violent enslavement of productive people. He understood that communism kills. He understood that communism lies. He understood that communism was (and still is) the single greatest threat to life and liberty. There were communists in the State Department. There were communists in the Defense Department. There were even communists in the White House staff. Are we to believe your assertion that they were simply doing their jobs and minding their own business? Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs proved that they weren't. KGB documents proved that they weren't. The HUAC proved that they weren't.
To the communists, every little bit helped. Every communist government employee, every communist labor leader, every communist school teacher, and every communist film director meant as much to the cause of communism as any pair of scientists or any Undersecretary of State, because a twisted mind means with influence over others means as much a tidbit of information.
The United States and Western Europe was in serious danger in the 40s and 50s from a communist insurgency, and it took the Red Scare and the help of the Kruchschev report for that danger to subside.
Your irrationality is getting the best of you, because you missed several points.
You are right that Saint-Simon was dead long before Marx, Keynes, Lenin or Harrington were on the scene. However, it was very helpful for him to have already published his work when the more modern socialists began forming their opinions, otherwise he would not have been the influence he was on them. You seem to think that people come up with ideas in a vacuum. Well they don't. The socialists immediately after Saint-Simon frequently cited him, and those after those cited them, and so on.
All modern socialism sprang from Saint-Simon. He was the first to coalesce (sp?) all the fragments of envy and hatred under one philosophical roof. He even coined the term "Socialism." Understand this, and understand history better.
Saint-Simon talked about the Terror, he talked about touchy-feely socialism, he talked about nationalistic socialism, he talked about internationalistic socialism, and he even talked about how every form of socialism requires the violence of the Terror and that to deny the violence is to deny the basic nature of socialism itself.
It is very common these days for socialists to marginalize Saint Simon, since he openly endorsed the horror that socialism would eventually spring upon the earth. In this, he was not only the father of socialism, but it's greatest adversary, since he flamed other socialists for their dishonesty.
That is something you can't run away from, no matter how hard you slander. The Comte de Saint Simon talked about what would become all the forms of socialism we know of today, he exposed the lies they would tell to get power, and what they will do when they got that power. He hasn't been wrong yet.
I will grant you that nazism was significantly more virulent than other implementations of national socialism (mussolini, franco, peron, tudjman in modern croatia) but all of the horrible activities of Nazi Germany are philosophically supported by pre-existing national and international socialist philosophy, as are the horrors of Stalin.
I would encourage you to read the works of the Comte de Saint Simon. His frankness about the realities of socialism (in all its forms) will turn your hair white. His explanation of his plan and the variants of his socialism is extraordinarily prophetic.
Well here are some of the things they accomplished...
Alger Hiss The Bomb 12hr notice of the invasion of Korea at Inchon notice of the Berlin Airlift The knowledge that Marshall told Chang Kai-Shek we weren't going to intervene militarily in China Pre-knowledge of the creation of West Germany ... and lots of other fun little tidbits.
I know how stubborn pride can make you stand by your incorrect assertions. I was a communist once, too.
What do you know of national socialist philosophy that leads you to this conclusion?
Did you know that national socialism claims the same philosophical roots as international socialism (i.e. communism)?
Did you know that modern euro-socialism (what so many refer to as socialism today) also has the same philosophical roots as both national and international socialism?
Did you know that the term "Socialism" was first coined by the Comte de Saint Simon during the French Revolution and was the philosophical basis for "the Terror"?
Do you know what are the philosophically determined end results are for international socialism, national socialism, modern euro-socialism, and the socialism first described by the Comte de Saint Simon? (Quick answer: The exact same thing.)
Do you know the differences in tactics for implementation of the various different types of socialism as philosophically described by each? (Quick Answer: nothing but for degree.)
Did you know that the tactic of equating capitalism with fascism and with the "right wing" came from Stalin himself?
Did you know that fascism's anti-communism is not derived from differences with communism, but with similarities with communism and competition for the same people in the marketplace of ideas, and that this was routinely refered to by fascist philosophers and by Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco?
I guess you've resorted to the typical tactic of bashing the messenger, ignore the message. Let me set you straight with some more "unusual assertions" known by so many to be FACTS.
KGB documents demonstrated that McCarthy's original Wheeling list(i.e. the '47 list) was extraordinarily accurate WRT who were communist agents. In fact, the KGB docs show that the '47 list was not only VERY accurate as far as WHO was a Red in State, but it was also very accurate as far extent of involvement these individuals had with Moscow. There are only two or three instances where the House findings differ from the KGB docs.
Now, are you going to slander me some more, or are you going to get some facts yourself? Oh, but wait! The facts support Sen. McCarthy and my position! I guess you have to bash me and bash YAF some more!
umm... sorry. Your information is quite mistaken. The list he held up at Wheeling was a list of names determined by the House in 1947 to be communist subversives, infiltrators, and fellow travelers working in the state department at that time, all but two of which were still working at State when Sen. McCarthy in 1950 made an issue of it.
That list was surpressed by both the Speaker of the House (a Republican!), the committee chairmen (Democrat in '50, Republican in '47) and in executive orders by Truman himself (in '47 and again in '50).
McCarthy was in over his head, but only because the Truman (and later Eisenhower) administrations put politics above national security.
Sen. McCarthy demanded answers as to why these people were still working at State after three years, and he was fsck'd for it.
As a lifelong purveyor of that "propaganda," I have to inform this loser AC that there is no difference between what he calls socialism and what he calls communism except the number of bodies.
It's a shame that the philosophy of liberty is only understood in the US, and even then by so few. We should have listened to Pres. Washington and left Europe to destroy itself.
BTW, if you would stop throwing that McCarthy moniker around as if it were some sort of slander and bother to research Sen. McCarthy's actual beef with the State Department at that time, you would actually realize that HE WAS RIGHT!
From my experience with 501(c)3 orgs, it is possible to write off time spent working for a (c)3. However, it is a bitch and a half and will usually raise a flag with the IRS. One or two people can usually get away with it a little bit with the proper paperwork (i.e. lots of docs) but most volunteer work is not deductible. There is a whole schedule of rules pertaining to it.
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You didn't quite get my point.
Why does it matter to a corporation whether to influence governments?
Aside from your beautiful, unbiased, factually based assessment of Sen. Joe McCarthy, and your highly knowledgeable indications that Stalin actually cared who he put to death, I have to ask you...
What is the concept of communism?
Exactly how do big corporations emerge and exactly how do they crush those weaker?
Exactly how do lobbying groups have more power than citizens?
Exactly how does Texaco (or any large corp) have more power than a member of Congress?
What is power?
Who has it?
How did they get it?
Who gave it to them?
Just to be fair, I'm not setting you up, but trying to get you to understand the hidden fallacy of your statement.
In the universe there is only freedom and degrees of unfreedom. By definition there are no victims of capitalism, since capitialism is freedom. Unfortunately, when dealing with regimes that are unfree, one must resort to less-than-honorable tactics to secure one's interests. Not that the US is all that capitalist anymore, anyway.
After reading your website, I realize I'm wasting my time with you. I'm sorry, but I hope you don't fall as hard as I did when I realized that socialism = death.
I wonder if you are not just arguing for the hell of it, because you are acting like you are. You make a lame assertion with no backup, I supply facts which deny your assertion, you slander and make new lame assertion.
Sen. McCarthy wanted to know why there were communist agents working at the State Department. He was stonewalled. His personality didn't help matters, but he understood the brevity of the situation. He understood that communism seeks the violent enslavement of productive people. He understood that communism kills. He understood that communism lies. He understood that communism was (and still is) the single greatest threat to life and liberty. There were communists in the State Department. There were communists in the Defense Department. There were even communists in the White House staff. Are we to believe your assertion that they were simply doing their jobs and minding their own business? Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs proved that they weren't. KGB documents proved that they weren't. The HUAC proved that they weren't.
To the communists, every little bit helped. Every communist government employee, every communist labor leader, every communist school teacher, and every communist film director meant as much to the cause of communism as any pair of scientists or any Undersecretary of State, because a twisted mind means with influence over others means as much a tidbit of information.
The United States and Western Europe was in serious danger in the 40s and 50s from a communist insurgency, and it took the Red Scare and the help of the Kruchschev report for that danger to subside.
For that Joe McCarthy was a hero.
I appear to be getting under your skin... good.
Your irrationality is getting the best of you, because you missed several points.
You are right that Saint-Simon was dead long before Marx, Keynes, Lenin or Harrington were on the scene. However, it was very helpful for him to have already published his work when the more modern socialists began forming their opinions, otherwise he would not have been the influence he was on them. You seem to think that people come up with ideas in a vacuum. Well they don't. The socialists immediately after Saint-Simon frequently cited him, and those after those cited them, and so on.
All modern socialism sprang from Saint-Simon. He was the first to coalesce (sp?) all the fragments of envy and hatred under one philosophical roof. He even coined the term "Socialism." Understand this, and understand history better.
Saint-Simon talked about the Terror, he talked about touchy-feely socialism, he talked about nationalistic socialism, he talked about internationalistic socialism, and he even talked about how every form of socialism requires the violence of the Terror and that to deny the violence is to deny the basic nature of socialism itself.
It is very common these days for socialists to marginalize Saint Simon, since he openly endorsed the horror that socialism would eventually spring upon the earth. In this, he was not only the father of socialism, but it's greatest adversary, since he flamed other socialists for their dishonesty.
That is something you can't run away from, no matter how hard you slander. The Comte de Saint Simon talked about what would become all the forms of socialism we know of today, he exposed the lies they would tell to get power, and what they will do when they got that power. He hasn't been wrong yet.
Waiting for the next slander...
I will grant you that nazism was significantly more virulent than other implementations of national socialism (mussolini, franco, peron, tudjman in modern croatia) but all of the horrible activities of Nazi Germany are philosophically supported by pre-existing national and international socialist philosophy, as are the horrors of Stalin.
I would encourage you to read the works of the Comte de Saint Simon. His frankness about the realities of socialism (in all its forms) will turn your hair white. His explanation of his plan and the variants of his socialism is extraordinarily prophetic.
Well here are some of the things they accomplished...
Alger Hiss
The Bomb
12hr notice of the invasion of Korea at Inchon
notice of the Berlin Airlift
The knowledge that Marshall told Chang Kai-Shek we weren't going to intervene militarily in China
Pre-knowledge of the creation of West Germany
... and lots of other fun little tidbits.
I know how stubborn pride can make you stand by your incorrect assertions. I was a communist once, too.
What do you know of national socialist philosophy that leads you to this conclusion?
Did you know that national socialism claims the same philosophical roots as international socialism (i.e. communism)?
Did you know that modern euro-socialism (what so many refer to as socialism today) also has the same philosophical roots as both national and international socialism?
Did you know that the term "Socialism" was first coined by the Comte de Saint Simon during the French Revolution and was the philosophical basis for "the Terror"?
Do you know what are the philosophically determined end results are for international socialism, national socialism, modern euro-socialism, and the socialism first described by the Comte de Saint Simon? (Quick answer: The exact same thing.)
Do you know the differences in tactics for implementation of the various different types of socialism as philosophically described by each? (Quick Answer: nothing but for degree.)
Did you know that the tactic of equating capitalism with fascism and with the "right wing" came from Stalin himself?
Did you know that fascism's anti-communism is not derived from differences with communism, but with similarities with communism and competition for the same people in the marketplace of ideas, and that this was routinely refered to by fascist philosophers and by Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco?
I guess you've resorted to the typical tactic of bashing the messenger, ignore the message. Let me set you straight with some more "unusual assertions" known by so many to be FACTS.
KGB documents demonstrated that McCarthy's original Wheeling list(i.e. the '47 list) was extraordinarily accurate WRT who were communist agents. In fact, the KGB docs show that the '47 list was not only VERY accurate as far as WHO was a Red in State, but it was also very accurate as far extent of involvement these individuals had with Moscow. There are only two or three instances where the House findings differ from the KGB docs.
Now, are you going to slander me some more, or are you going to get some facts yourself? Oh, but wait! The facts support Sen. McCarthy and my position! I guess you have to bash me and bash YAF some more!
umm... over 100 Million people slaughtered by communist governments, with over 60 million in that wonderful "socialist paradise," the Soviet Union?
That list was surpressed by both the Speaker of the House (a Republican!), the committee chairmen (Democrat in '50, Republican in '47) and in executive orders by Truman himself (in '47 and again in '50).
McCarthy was in over his head, but only because the Truman (and later Eisenhower) administrations put politics above national security.
Sen. McCarthy demanded answers as to why these people were still working at State after three years, and he was fsck'd for it.
Get your facts straight.
It's a shame that the philosophy of liberty is only understood in the US, and even then by so few. We should have listened to Pres. Washington and left Europe to destroy itself.
BTW, if you would stop throwing that McCarthy moniker around as if it were some sort of slander and bother to research Sen. McCarthy's actual beef with the State Department at that time, you would actually realize that HE WAS RIGHT!
Umm... it's called a G4.
From my experience with 501(c)3 orgs, it is possible to write off time spent working for a (c)3. However, it is a bitch and a half and will usually raise a flag with the IRS. One or two people can usually get away with it a little bit with the proper paperwork (i.e. lots of docs) but most volunteer work is not deductible. There is a whole schedule of rules pertaining to it.
Friggin' IRS....