...does this reminds you anything? Let's say, a police state?
Not only you cannot say anything, but everything is stretched to its extreme limits, far beyond "common sense" (there's no such thing as common sense in modern legislation, therefore it doesn't exist, right?).
Kids do what they have to do, and they got sued. Parents follow money and sue other kids, other parents, the school, and so on.
Next time I'll bump into a street light I'll sue some god for having created the earth, and perhaps I'll be done. What is left now?
it seems to me that the actual system is going toward a "everything which is not expressely allowed is denied" system, typical of all dicatorship.
exactly. if I say something on a public board, I have no problem saying it to a company. therefore if someone else goes there and quotes what I said, they only want to do it to put me under bad light.
oh well, it's almost 6pm here, and I'm getting bored.
Oh, did I said it out loud?:)
...but have your old company the right to do it? Isn't this diffamation? You said what you had to say on a *public* board, so if your new company would have known it they could have gone to the yahoo board and check it.
perhaps those people don't know that in some countries (italy) the phone company is still charging for a fee for the local area calls, based on time of conversation. Which means, if I'm a FWD and people calls and only makes local area calls 24/7, I'm pretty fucked up (I'd rather pay int'l phone bills instead of using a phone 24/7)
beside programming, try to dig into mathematics (not calculus please:).. number analysis will work fine), high-level physics, low-level programming and get a good knowledge of hardware (electronics).
Yea, sure. Why learn from the past?
Improvement in technologies were done thanks to the availability of information. But now we're better than all the men who came before us put together.
I wonder what would have happened if Galileo had to pay rights to the Dutch scientists who discovered lenses to see objects far away, or if Newton had to wait to get the right to see Tyco Brahe's studies, and so on (was it Newton, right?).
Am I wrong or the culture in the whole world during the Middle Age was kept by monks that *copied* it for *free* to preserve it and elaborate it?
i guess you're right.. but I hope touch screens could get cheaper. Maybe out there there are some touch-sensible panels, that can be stuck on the monitor. But well, it was a free thought.
thanks anyway.
Re:contraddictions, dot-com meltdown, and so on
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is this Intel TCPA used on a country-scale? I think no......
It is a wonderful idea, I wonder if it would be possible to make it even cheaper (no mouse, no keyboard) to create what would be a free Internet Terminal, perhaps build near a public phone.
I was thinking about a 'virtual' keyboard, a panel which can pop up on the (touch) screen, where there are no 'dangerous' keys (ctrl-alt-f1, and gain shell from there). Of course someone could set up a website with escape chars that can be copied into a shell, if someone gains one, but this will be easyer to filter/hack away.
Linux: a FREE os on every Desktop...
...which reminds me someone's dream, but I don't remember who was it;)
contraddictions, dot-com meltdown, and so on
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I believe that this Juno accident is only the first one. "we" were lucky because someone spotted it, but who knows how may software are installed and how many licence agreements are subscribed that will allow even worse things?
I think that Juno can decide to wake you up in the morning by playing some high-volume Disco music (and that would be funny), or just decide to pursue legally ANYONE who accidently turned off their computer.
I wonder if they should sue microsoft for making unreliable operating systems that cannot stay up more than few days, and so preventing any user to obey the licence terms of juno (and that would be scary).
I wonder if we're slowly going back to the old days, when people weren't thinking about making money online. Perhaps in 10 years we'll have 2 different networks, e-internet or some weird trendy name network (created to make money), and a 'undernet' in its real meaning, where people ("geeks") will pursue the real goal of a worldwile network: communication.
Personally, I don' care too much about this Juno accident: they'll sue users, make their computer a slave, recreate Big Brother or whatever (think about users who have a webcam and uses Juno...). On the long run they aren't affecting those who have enough knowledge to hack around.
Freedom trough the power of human mind will survive. Losers will get caught in a Web of dot-coms doomed to eat each other forever.
just my.005$ (inflaction will soon bring it to 20$, but that's another story)
I wonder when are they going to implement a secure access trough voice recognition. IMHO it could be much more secure as the 'UberRoot' access, leaving less power to the other super-users. But it's just a thought.
and those are my last nicknames:)
on slashdot i'm kipple, a work that I found in 'blade runner' (the Philip K. Dick book) meaning 'chaos', everything that grows up until it covers and eats up all free space left.
alt255 is the other irc nick (well it's kinda different but that's the meaning, looks like there are others alt255 out there), for those of you remembering ms-dos when there was no dosshell (add a alt255 char between a REM and a letter, let's say the char A, into AUTOEXEC.BAT; then hide a file called REM_A.BAT where _ is the alt255 char, and viola - hidden executables) or when you wanted to hide a directory with the ALT255 char. And yes, alt 255 looks like a space, but it's there and it's not a space, in few words it's there but you don't see it, and that sort of fascinating mistery stuff.
latin 'cause I was nemo on FIDONet, considering myself basically 'nobody' (the meaning of 'nemo' in latin), being a little kid at the time.
have fun
suing machines for not doing parent's job
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..this is where we are going, I think. Look at the issues:
1. by making the congress approving such laws, it's demonstrated that parents have not only fear of the society *they* created, but also that they admit not being able to *grow* their kids
2. trying to level a generation to the same way of thinking is typical of a *closed* political system: nazism, communism, fascism, all those ways began with kids.
3. by the time they realized that nazism was bad, whops! too late! we already have a generation grown up in this state of mind
4. what is happening is that they'll try to make money from everything was thought as a way to protect 'children'
...I have grown watching pr0n sometimes, even when I was *very* young, 'cause of some friends of mine (I'm talking about age of ten or so). And no, I'm not a serial killer, nor a perv, or whatever they think their children may become. And I suppose I'm not the only one here.
I wonder if congress really cares about the next generation. It's already clear that US kids, due to an excessive protectionism, cannot be compared to kids in the rest of the world (in a matter of math, language, logic skills). I know there are exceptions, but for those of you who have been oversea what I'm saying will look reasonable.
I myself have been in the US for more than a year in college and I noticed how low the average was: all of my from-all-over-the-world friends noticed that US 'kids' do in college what we do five years before.
conclusion: excessive protectionism will only bring the US to demand for more and more 'talents' coming from other countries if they want to be a leader in world economy.
somoe people (usually relatives of a dead writer) are trying to extend their copyright in order to get the maximum amount of money which is possible, even after a century from the dead of the author. What do you think are good methods to fight that behavior? In your experience, is there any way to "fight" against what is obviously a misuse of the right of publications? After all, who said that his/her relatives have the right to be rewarded of his/her work?
I'd like to apply this issue not only to books (the first one which comes into mind) but also to every piece of the human knowledge involved in such things.
...can I patent the word 'search'? I'll be a zillionaire within two days: I'll ask every search engine to pay me a cent for each page requested by any user which carries the word 'search'.
How come I haven't thought about that before?
besides all the theorical issues (free will, free speech) there are a couple of practical issues that I'd like to point out. It seems to me that we have to adapt rist our ideas to what is doable, instead of trying to adapt reality to our phylosophy. first: computer generated graphics is going to be not distinguishable (by the typical perv-end-user who trolls online), so it will be hard to prove that one downloaded *real* child porn intentionally second: generating child porn will at least 'start' from "real" images: or are all pornographist so good in CG that they won't even need a start point and will create a child image from scratch?
third: what is the problem here, pornography as a concept or child abuse as a real fact? if the problem is pornography we could argue that it's just a form of expression. Sick, whatever you think. But still a form of expression for lonely people. If the problem is child abuse there's no issue here. fourth: you are discussing this point under an US point of view. What if virtual child pr0n will be declared illegal in the us but legal in another country. Are you americans going to bomb them? Or even worse, to sue them?:) fifth: In my opinion, a children who grows up in an "all-smiley-and-light" environment will be much more shocked when he/she'll face reality.
Bush got so much money from these and other companies that he rejected matching federal funds for his campaign in order to avoid cumbersome federal regulations and disclosure rules, an electoral first. We may see a proliferation of government-supported legal challenges, patent and copyright suits, decency acts and other provisions designed to make life on the Net safe and profitable for big companies. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies have been pleading for years for more money to go after hackers, crackers and script kiddies on the Net. They'll probably get it
There'll be some sort of "common enemy" for those who are now fighting for the free speech on the Internet. This will surely be better, because we will all focus on single issues. Until now we've been scattered around and without a central organization (as the Net is) we got lost in thousands of small "act of freedom".
But now there are better things to do than waiting for freedom online. We must fight and stand together closer to the last Point of Freedom - all those organization which fighted during those years (don't even ask for an example.
They'll probably go and get the script kiddies.. and only the better will survive and perhaps become what will be the next generation of 'truly' hackers, as the term is supposed to mean - and not the meaning that has now.
And if everything goes wrong, well, we could still switch on BBSes.. pc and modems are still working under the same concept:)
Re:keeping light still (and its charachteristics)
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but still it have some specifications, such as frequency, which are kept with the beam.. so, with a (theorical) large amount of beams into the same container, will they be able to store 'informations'?
I've reading replies and comments that linux is not so well-going on desktop based systems. True or not, I think we are missing the main point here. Mac OSX is using a unix based environment because it was a solid core. All the rest is their job.
They think they'll do a better user interface, so what's wrong? The desktop appareance is just a detail, good to catch on the feeling of the average/low user. The core, the stability, that's what matters.
Who cares if linux loses users, if they still remain on unix? We should not fight against each other (linux/unix issues), because as long as people will stick on unixes we'll have better programs and better stability.
Computer aren't supposed only to look nice, they must be first of all reliable.
I have the strong impression that all those coalitions will make things go worse.
They will understand that, even if it won't improve the actual situation, a "security trough obscurity" environment will at least give them some sense of power.
They will put aside all rivalities and join together to create at least an alliance against a common enemy: Insecurity. But how will they understand that the great majority of the dangers involving security are due to human incompetence?
Will they virtually stand up against idiocy? Will they fire their own emplyers because they can be the weakest point of their network?
Or will they just cover this up and create a virtual enemy, pumping the figure of the 'oh-my-god-it's-scaring' so-called hacker?
Now they are rivals, but soon they'll be together (as who knows how many other companies) against freedom of knowledge, against the fact that the human being must learn trough its mistakes, and so on.
My only hope? That they'll soon break this alliance, because there's no such thing as a common enemy, and if they won't understand, they'll just fight against Windmills until they'll be tired. They'll create smaller and internal alliances, they'll fight each other assumptions, and on the long run nothing will change.
Perhaps I'm hoping too much..
As the Latin said, "break up and rule": The 19 founders represent some of the industry's largest firms, but they come with historic rivalries. Cisco and Nortel Networks compete bitterly in sales of computer-networking hardware. Microsoft was found to have violated antitrust laws to influence contracts with AT&T and IBM; Oracle has admitted to hiring private investigators to dig through the trash of groups supportive of Microsoft. Can these companies, in an industry known for unusually aggressive executives, ever trust each other?"
..because nobody will listen to few geeks demonstrating the weaknesses of such a system.
the general public will 'trust' big companies (lot of money = they must be good...), just as now they trust politicians to be honest and to act for the interest of their country.
I think it's just a placebo to keep people 'quiet', showing that Yes, We Are Going Toward The Future, We Are The Best Country In The World, and so on.
Remember what a Murphy's Law said? When People are left free to do what they want, they'll probably emulate each other.
now tell me why it takes you 10 mnutes to make an espresso.. and even if it took that long, aren't 10 minutes of relax (doing your OWN coffee) worthed?
Just jumping out of a hard task for a while.. productivity can improve because of that.
Slashdot Mirror
...does this reminds you anything? Let's say, a police state?
Not only you cannot say anything, but everything is stretched to its extreme limits, far beyond "common sense" (there's no such thing as common sense in modern legislation, therefore it doesn't exist, right?).
Kids do what they have to do, and they got sued. Parents follow money and sue other kids, other parents, the school, and so on.
Next time I'll bump into a street light I'll sue some god for having created the earth, and perhaps I'll be done. What is left now?
it seems to me that the actual system is going toward a "everything which is not expressely allowed is denied" system, typical of all dicatorship.
exactly. if I say something on a public board, I have no problem saying it to a company. therefore if someone else goes there and quotes what I said, they only want to do it to put me under bad light.
:)
oh well, it's almost 6pm here, and I'm getting bored.
Oh, did I said it out loud?
...but have your old company the right to do it? Isn't this diffamation? You said what you had to say on a *public* board, so if your new company would have known it they could have gone to the yahoo board and check it.
...or am I wrong?
perhaps those people don't know that in some countries (italy) the phone company is still charging for a fee for the local area calls, based on time of conversation. Which means, if I'm a FWD and people calls and only makes local area calls 24/7, I'm pretty fucked up (I'd rather pay int'l phone bills instead of using a phone 24/7)
beside programming, try to dig into mathematics (not calculus please :) .. number analysis will work fine), high-level physics, low-level programming and get a good knowledge of hardware (electronics).
:)
..have fun
Yea, sure. Why learn from the past?
Improvement in technologies were done thanks to the availability of information. But now we're better than all the men who came before us put together.
I wonder what would have happened if Galileo had to pay rights to the Dutch scientists who discovered lenses to see objects far away, or if Newton had to wait to get the right to see Tyco Brahe's studies, and so on (was it Newton, right?).
Am I wrong or the culture in the whole world during the Middle Age was kept by monks that *copied* it for *free* to preserve it and elaborate it?
i guess you're right.. but I hope touch screens could get cheaper. Maybe out there there are some touch-sensible panels, that can be stuck on the monitor. But well, it was a free thought.
thanks anyway.
is this Intel TCPA used on a country-scale? I think no......
It is a wonderful idea, I wonder if it would be possible to make it even cheaper (no mouse, no keyboard) to create what would be a free Internet Terminal, perhaps build near a public phone.
;)
I was thinking about a 'virtual' keyboard, a panel which can pop up on the (touch) screen, where there are no 'dangerous' keys (ctrl-alt-f1, and gain shell from there). Of course someone could set up a website with escape chars that can be copied into a shell, if someone gains one, but this will be easyer to filter/hack away.
Linux: a FREE os on every Desktop...
...which reminds me someone's dream, but I don't remember who was it
I believe that this Juno accident is only the first one. "we" were lucky because someone spotted it, but who knows how may software are installed and how many licence agreements are subscribed that will allow even worse things?
.005$ (inflaction will soon bring it to 20$, but that's another story)
I think that Juno can decide to wake you up in the morning by playing some high-volume Disco music (and that would be funny), or just decide to pursue legally ANYONE who accidently turned off their computer.
I wonder if they should sue microsoft for making unreliable operating systems that cannot stay up more than few days, and so preventing any user to obey the licence terms of juno (and that would be scary).
I wonder if we're slowly going back to the old days, when people weren't thinking about making money online. Perhaps in 10 years we'll have 2 different networks, e-internet or some weird trendy name network (created to make money), and a 'undernet' in its real meaning, where people ("geeks") will pursue the real goal of a worldwile network: communication.
Personally, I don' care too much about this Juno accident: they'll sue users, make their computer a slave, recreate Big Brother or whatever (think about users who have a webcam and uses Juno...). On the long run they aren't affecting those who have enough knowledge to hack around.
Freedom trough the power of human mind will survive. Losers will get caught in a Web of dot-coms doomed to eat each other forever.
just my
I see comments here, and some of them are serious... now tell me, is that a complete joke? is it already april 1st? ...power of the time zones, right?
I wonder when are they going to implement a secure access trough voice recognition. IMHO it could be much more secure as the 'UberRoot' access, leaving less power to the other super-users. But it's just a thought.
and those are my last nicknames :)
on slashdot i'm kipple, a work that I found in 'blade runner' (the Philip K. Dick book) meaning 'chaos', everything that grows up until it covers and eats up all free space left.
alt255 is the other irc nick (well it's kinda different but that's the meaning, looks like there are others alt255 out there), for those of you remembering ms-dos when there was no dosshell (add a alt255 char between a REM and a letter, let's say the char A, into AUTOEXEC.BAT; then hide a file called REM_A.BAT where _ is the alt255 char, and viola - hidden executables) or when you wanted to hide a directory with the ALT255 char. And yes, alt 255 looks like a space, but it's there and it's not a space, in few words it's there but you don't see it, and that sort of fascinating mistery stuff.
latin 'cause I was nemo on FIDONet, considering myself basically 'nobody' (the meaning of 'nemo' in latin), being a little kid at the time.
have fun
..this is where we are going, I think. Look at the issues:
1. by making the congress approving such laws, it's demonstrated that parents have not only fear of the society *they* created, but also that they admit not being able to *grow* their kids
2. trying to level a generation to the same way of thinking is typical of a *closed* political system: nazism, communism, fascism, all those ways began with kids.
3. by the time they realized that nazism was bad, whops! too late! we already have a generation grown up in this state of mind
4. what is happening is that they'll try to make money from everything was thought as a way to protect 'children'
...I have grown watching pr0n sometimes, even when I was *very* young, 'cause of some friends of mine (I'm talking about age of ten or so). And no, I'm not a serial killer, nor a perv, or whatever they think their children may become. And I suppose I'm not the only one here.
I wonder if congress really cares about the next generation. It's already clear that US kids, due to an excessive protectionism, cannot be compared to kids in the rest of the world (in a matter of math, language, logic skills). I know there are exceptions, but for those of you who have been oversea what I'm saying will look reasonable.
I myself have been in the US for more than a year in college and I noticed how low the average was: all of my from-all-over-the-world friends noticed that US 'kids' do in college what we do five years before.
conclusion: excessive protectionism will only bring the US to demand for more and more 'talents' coming from other countries if they want to be a leader in world economy.
and sorry for the broken english
somoe people (usually relatives of a dead writer) are trying to extend their copyright in order to get the maximum amount of money which is possible, even after a century from the dead of the author. What do you think are good methods to fight that behavior? In your experience, is there any way to "fight" against what is obviously a misuse of the right of publications? After all, who said that his/her relatives have the right to be rewarded of his/her work?
I'd like to apply this issue not only to books (the first one which comes into mind) but also to every piece of the human knowledge involved in such things.
Thanks for the attention, long life and prosper!
(and forgive me for the broken english)
...can I patent the word 'search'? I'll be a zillionaire within two days: I'll ask every search engine to pay me a cent for each page requested by any user which carries the word 'search'.
How come I haven't thought about that before?
...and there'll be dreamcast worth billions of dollars in few years.
besides all the theorical issues (free will, free speech) there are a couple of practical issues that I'd like to point out. It seems to me that we have to adapt rist our ideas to what is doable, instead of trying to adapt reality to our phylosophy. :)
first: computer generated graphics is going to be not distinguishable (by the typical perv-end-user who trolls online), so it will be hard to prove that one downloaded *real* child porn intentionally
second: generating child porn will at least 'start' from "real" images: or are all pornographist so good in CG that they won't even need a start point and will create a child image from scratch? third: what is the problem here, pornography as a concept or child abuse as a real fact? if the problem is pornography we could argue that it's just a form of expression. Sick, whatever you think. But still a form of expression for lonely people. If the problem is child abuse there's no issue here.
fourth: you are discussing this point under an US point of view. What if virtual child pr0n will be declared illegal in the us but legal in another country. Are you americans going to bomb them? Or even worse, to sue them?
fifth: In my opinion, a children who grows up in an "all-smiley-and-light" environment will be much more shocked when he/she'll face reality.
Bush got so much money from these and other companies that he rejected matching federal funds for his campaign in order to avoid cumbersome federal regulations and disclosure rules, an electoral first. We may see a proliferation of government-supported legal challenges, patent and copyright suits, decency acts and other provisions designed to make life on the Net safe and profitable for big companies. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies have been pleading for years for more money to go after hackers, crackers and script kiddies on the Net. They'll probably get it
:)
There'll be some sort of "common enemy" for those who are now fighting for the free speech on the Internet. This will surely be better, because we will all focus on single issues. Until now we've been scattered around and without a central organization (as the Net is) we got lost in thousands of small "act of freedom".
But now there are better things to do than waiting for freedom online. We must fight and stand together closer to the last Point of Freedom - all those organization which fighted during those years (don't even ask for an example.
They'll probably go and get the script kiddies.. and only the better will survive and perhaps become what will be the next generation of 'truly' hackers, as the term is supposed to mean - and not the meaning that has now.
And if everything goes wrong, well, we could still switch on BBSes.. pc and modems are still working under the same concept
but still it have some specifications, such as frequency, which are kept with the beam.. so, with a (theorical) large amount of beams into the same container, will they be able to store 'informations'?
just a thought
will they be able to 'store' a beam of light and keep it? how much storage space will they got? :)
I've reading replies and comments that linux is not so well-going on desktop based systems. True or not, I think we are missing the main point here. Mac OSX is using a unix based environment because it was a solid core. All the rest is their job.
They think they'll do a better user interface, so what's wrong? The desktop appareance is just a detail, good to catch on the feeling of the average/low user. The core, the stability, that's what matters.
Who cares if linux loses users, if they still remain on unix? We should not fight against each other (linux/unix issues), because as long as people will stick on unixes we'll have better programs and better stability.
Computer aren't supposed only to look nice, they must be first of all reliable.
I have the strong impression that all those coalitions will make things go worse.
They will understand that, even if it won't improve the actual situation, a "security trough obscurity" environment will at least give them some sense of power.
They will put aside all rivalities and join together to create at least an alliance against a common enemy: Insecurity. But how will they understand that the great majority of the dangers involving security are due to human incompetence?
Will they virtually stand up against idiocy? Will they fire their own emplyers because they can be the weakest point of their network?
Or will they just cover this up and create a virtual enemy, pumping the figure of the 'oh-my-god-it's-scaring' so-called hacker?
Now they are rivals, but soon they'll be together (as who knows how many other companies) against freedom of knowledge, against the fact that the human being must learn trough its mistakes, and so on.
My only hope? That they'll soon break this alliance, because there's no such thing as a common enemy, and if they won't understand, they'll just fight against Windmills until they'll be tired. They'll create smaller and internal alliances, they'll fight each other assumptions, and on the long run nothing will change.
Perhaps I'm hoping too much..
As the Latin said, "break up and rule": The 19 founders represent some of the industry's largest firms, but they come with historic rivalries. Cisco and Nortel Networks compete bitterly in sales of computer-networking hardware. Microsoft was found to have violated antitrust laws to influence contracts with AT&T and IBM; Oracle has admitted to hiring private investigators to dig through the trash of groups supportive of Microsoft. Can these companies, in an industry known for unusually aggressive executives, ever trust each other?"
..because nobody will listen to few geeks demonstrating the weaknesses of such a system.
the general public will 'trust' big companies (lot of money = they must be good...), just as now they trust politicians to be honest and to act for the interest of their country.
I think it's just a placebo to keep people 'quiet', showing that Yes, We Are Going Toward The Future, We Are The Best Country In The World, and so on.
Remember what a Murphy's Law said? When People are left free to do what they want, they'll probably emulate each other.
now tell me why it takes you 10 mnutes to make an espresso.. and even if it took that long, aren't 10 minutes of relax (doing your OWN coffee) worthed?
Just jumping out of a hard task for a while.. productivity can improve because of that.
Ok, I tried it (I live on espresso, I'm Italian)