What is the difference - the ads in TV or the ads in Internet ?? We pay to get all those pesky ads that interupt my favorit hockey game or what ever but never complain ?? I hate both - spamming and ads - even in tv. Both bring money to some - so, tell me what's the difference.
Living through all this - async tty, polling addresses ( Univac, Burroughs ), BSC, SNA (SDLC), X.25(HDLC), X21, IPv4, ATM, and so on - there always were persons believing that that's the ultimatium of protocols, no better can ever exist. so - just a question? IPv6 will not be the last but it offers so much over IPv4 - why not to use it for next 10 or so years ?? And as some has alreay pointed out - some countries are already implementing it. Do we really want to be late and followers ? I don't - it would mean a lot of extra work in all hasty - i.e. 18 hours days, etc. later on. have a nice day - tuomo
Yep - Syncsort, FDR, etc - third party applications in mainframe. But nothing compared to Ditto from IBM, kind of utility. There are other utilities as old ( or maybe even older ) commonly used in mainframes. My oldest is a sorting, selecting, merging utility ( using for ex. Syncsort as the sort ) year -72, enhanced -74, still used. So - we better classify the oldest by platform, operating system, etc.. have a nice day.
Best description of mainframe environment I have seen for a long time. The original question of operators - skilled but not very well paid. Best way to learn whole systems not just some programming. There you will see the whole pain when application people only see their small pieces. You will never forget that and you start understanding why it is important to look the whole picture (the whole corporate as a customer). After trying to figure how to get those one million bills printed for next morning when someone has designed the system to change the printer font, whatever ( earlier the type of paper ) after every bill - no way in 20 days ! That's where the system programmers come - 1am working with operators they fix the application and everybody is happy in morning. Systems programmers and operators have actually much more common than systems programmers and appication people. And I agree with your mail - any Windows / Unix installation seems unorganized and very inefficient after working in real mainframe environment. And AS/400 is not mainframe even very nice system - mainframes are systems that serve tens of thousands of users 7x24 while happily processing huge transactions millions a day - not just those small banking transactions. And fast.
Why I think it is interesting ? my "family house" in Bern canton in Switzerland is still there. The writing top of the door says 1152 and the local history tells all the stories of the family and the house. So - get a Swiss log house - have a nice day - tuomo stauffer ( a common last name there )
Did they ever look the history of AIX ? Of course - if the operating system is what the interface is then AIX may not be first but under the user interface - kind of old ( very old ) including some very new ideas from IBM today. Saying that AIX came from System V 3.2 is like a new skin or a new windows manager. And of course - what Unix has that for ex. 360 ( a little older than any Unix)/370/390 architecture doesn't ?? Names are different, functions are same, implementations different ( on any platform/system ) Complaining of libraries, guess what, today I was missing the attach/link/load mechanism in Unix / Windows. Standard libraries - Today I use the same code in Unix/Windows I wrote -72 for 360 ( 370 -74 ) AND the old programs are still running in big mainframes. Methods and consepts - haven't seen anything in Unix that wasn't already implemented one way or another earlier. Kind of amazing but nothing new. But then, I have no idea how patenting / IP protection works, so have a nice day .
Agreed and more. Where is the business and where is the low end like performance management and forecasting of resources, etc? A too common mistake. We seem to forget that database(-s) are there only to serve business and business requirements. Nice if you can build a fast, reliable and maintainable database just to find out that your company can't afford it - what then ? Or, the company is planning to announce new services and the current information structure can't support it because some DBA or developer hasn't included it to the design. (IMHO) the database cycle is more like from business analyst to DBA to development project to performance management and back. None of these functions has ( usually ) enough information to create real business databases. Nothing says that it can't be even one person ( I just have to see first so talented person to believe that it can be done well ). Otherwise a nice article ( from developers perspective ).
Funny !! - really, I'm not a graphics person, just a husband of one ( and a software developer ). The graphics artists don't really care the format a file is saved or so. What they care is the accuracy how it can be recreated on display, paper and so on.. They don't care how the interface looks, they don't care if it is called A or B or runs in C or D operating system. For a real users any interface is easy to learn AS LONG AS it uses the wording and terms they are familiar. The real problem is that programmers don't know those terms, a graphics artist some times uses different words than a photography artist, and so on.. For an animator picture to picture switch is important, not so for a photographer, publishing artist would like to create page layout in one sweep, etc.. What I try to say - is it Linux, OS-X, Win doesn't matter - all that matters is the end result. For example - CUPS is now better printing system than most native, be it OS-X or WIN, Photoshop still has an edge over GIMP and PaintShop ( a very nice program for me but as said, I'm not creating professional graphics / prints ) is not even in the same class, etc. So - for each their own and, as you see, I have used the word - artist - who cares of the technicians or administrators or managers - they can be trained or at least told what to do ( if not too stupid for that, just an unfortunate experience from software development ) !!
A good question - there are many ways to make Java not to work, and, to blame Java for all the problems. Personally - bad decision, let the best system to win, it's not the question of forcing people to use or not to use - you really like the voting results every time?? give some credit to the users ( like me but also a developer over 30 years ) have a nice day - tuomo
I have never seen ( a legal ) definition of a server? Do I have a server if my system answers to MS, OSX, RedHat, what ever update ?? Or - anything running ready to answer to requests ?? Just a question - have a nice day - tuomo
Right !! After 30+ years in software ( and big system business ) - I have to see the first time a programmer is the source of the problems - it always has been the management ! Yes - the programmer can refuse to do whatever AND he/she will be fired in threee seconds - been there.. Hail the corporate world.. Sorry - this is the way the world works. Not in god mood - middle of fixing something the ( previous ) management didn't get right - do they ever ???
Just going through the CM definition process again( 6th time in 30 years ).. In this case I would say CVS is not enough - in some other case CVS is great. If there is only need for programming process control ( not CM ) CVS or any lower level tool will be enough. If the CM process will include the whole life cycle of several products, several users ( !! customers, not just analysts, programmers, document people, support personel, etc.. ), bug tracking ( support !! ), maturity process and new technologies - then you will need a CM process and no tool ( maybe, just maybe excluding Continuus ) will do that. These systems are not cheap - $ 0.2-1 mill. but the ROI ( return of investment ) can be huge - over next 3-5 years ! And they really make life easier - combined with a good data dictionary / catalog / repository ( what ever you want to call it ) - changes over versions, release, development, test and production versions, global development, work group control, project/time management, change control, bug tracking, documentation, and so on, comes almost trivial. Any tool will be helpfull - but a small warning - using a tool a wrong way, without pre-defined process, etc.. means problems and with CM tools even (much) more so - seen that too many times..
Proves something - nothing changes.. This has been the attitude of "so called" IS, IT, network, whatever.. managers for 30 years I have been working with computers. They always seem to be against any changes - so just punch your paper tapes or cards - we feel safe that way.. I'm sorry - it just doesn't work - and if their network is so weak that some isolated user systems ( Linux or any ) can cause problems they really have other and much worse problems..
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What is the difference - the ads in TV or the ads in Internet ?? We pay to get all those pesky ads that interupt my favorit hockey game or what ever but never complain ?? I hate both - spamming and ads - even in tv. Both bring money to some - so, tell me what's the difference.
Living through all this - async tty, polling addresses ( Univac, Burroughs ), BSC, SNA (SDLC), X.25(HDLC), X21, IPv4, ATM, and so on - there always were persons believing that that's the ultimatium of protocols, no better can ever exist. so - just a question? IPv6 will not be the last but it offers so much over IPv4 - why not to use it for next 10 or so years ?? And as some has alreay pointed out - some countries are already implementing it. Do we really want to be late and followers ? I don't - it would mean a lot of extra work in all hasty - i.e. 18 hours days, etc. later on. have a nice day - tuomo
So true !
Yep - Syncsort, FDR, etc - third party applications in mainframe. But nothing compared to Ditto from IBM, kind of utility. There are other utilities as old ( or maybe even older ) commonly used in mainframes. My oldest is a sorting, selecting, merging utility ( using for ex. Syncsort as the sort ) year -72, enhanced -74, still used. So - we better classify the oldest by platform, operating system, etc.. have a nice day.
Best description of mainframe environment I have seen for a long time. The original question of operators - skilled but not very well paid. Best way to learn whole systems not just some programming. There you will see the whole pain when application people only see their small pieces. You will never forget that and you start understanding why it is important to look the whole picture (the whole corporate as a customer). After trying to figure how to get those one million bills printed for next morning when someone has designed the system to change the printer font, whatever ( earlier the type of paper ) after every bill - no way in 20 days ! That's where the system programmers come - 1am working with operators they fix the application and everybody is happy in morning. Systems programmers and operators have actually much more common than systems programmers and appication people. And I agree with your mail - any Windows / Unix installation seems unorganized and very inefficient after working in real mainframe environment. And AS/400 is not mainframe even very nice system - mainframes are systems that serve tens of thousands of users 7x24 while happily processing huge transactions millions a day - not just those small banking transactions. And fast.
IBM ?? Easter bunny - I don't think so..
Why I think it is interesting ? my "family house" in Bern canton in Switzerland is still there. The writing top of the door says 1152 and the local history tells all the stories of the family and the house. So - get a Swiss log house - have a nice day - tuomo stauffer ( a common last name there )
Did they ever look the history of AIX ? Of course - if the operating system is what the interface is then AIX may not be first but under the user interface - kind of old ( very old ) including some very new ideas from IBM today. Saying that AIX came from System V 3.2 is like a new skin or a new windows manager. And of course - what Unix has that for ex. 360 ( a little older than any Unix)/370/390 architecture doesn't ?? Names are different, functions are same, implementations different ( on any platform/system ) Complaining of libraries, guess what, today I was missing the attach/link/load mechanism in Unix / Windows. Standard libraries - Today I use the same code in Unix/Windows I wrote -72 for 360 ( 370 -74 ) AND the old programs are still running in big mainframes. Methods and consepts - haven't seen anything in Unix that wasn't already implemented one way or another earlier. Kind of amazing but nothing new. But then, I have no idea how patenting / IP protection works, so have a nice day .
Anybody remembers Burroughs and Algol ( Espol ). What about DataSaab and Algol - way back - and just for fun.
I also read E.E.Smith, a long time ago. This starts reminding me more and more of Lensman and Skylark series and 20's and 30's.. have a nice day.
Agreed and more. Where is the business and where is the low end like performance management and forecasting of resources, etc? A too common mistake.
We seem to forget that database(-s) are there only to serve business and business requirements. Nice if you can build a fast, reliable and maintainable database just to find out that your company can't afford it - what then ? Or, the company is planning to announce new services and the current information structure can't support it because some DBA or developer hasn't included it to the design.
(IMHO) the database cycle is more like from business analyst to DBA to development project to performance management and back. None of these functions has ( usually ) enough information to create real business databases. Nothing says that it can't be even one person ( I just have to see first so talented person to believe that it can be done well ).
Otherwise a nice article ( from developers perspective ).
Funny !! - really, I'm not a graphics person, just a husband of one ( and a software developer ).
The graphics artists don't really care the format a file is saved or so. What they care is the
accuracy how it can be recreated on display, paper and so on.. They don't care how the interface
looks, they don't care if it is called A or B or runs in C or D operating system. For a real
users any interface is easy to learn AS LONG AS it uses the wording and terms they are familiar.
The real problem is that programmers don't know those terms, a graphics artist some times uses
different words than a photography artist, and so on.. For an animator picture to picture switch
is important, not so for a photographer, publishing artist would like to create page layout in
one sweep, etc..
What I try to say - is it Linux, OS-X, Win doesn't matter - all that matters is the end result.
For example - CUPS is now better printing system than most native, be it OS-X or WIN, Photoshop
still has an edge over GIMP and PaintShop ( a very nice program for me but as said, I'm not
creating professional graphics / prints ) is not even in the same class, etc. So - for each their
own and, as you see, I have used the word - artist - who cares of the technicians or administrators
or managers - they can be trained or at least told what to do ( if not too stupid for that, just
an unfortunate experience from software development ) !!
A good question - there are many ways to make Java not to work, and, to blame Java for all the problems. Personally - bad decision, let the best system to win, it's not the question of forcing people to use or not to use - you really like the voting results every time?? give some credit to the users ( like me but also a developer over 30 years ) have a nice day - tuomo
nice comment - define a server (a legal definition, please) ? MS, OSX, RedHat, etc.. update ?? They respond to requests - so, they are servers ??
I have never seen ( a legal ) definition of a server? Do I have a server if my system answers to MS, OSX, RedHat, what ever update ?? Or - anything running ready to answer to requests ?? Just a question - have a nice day - tuomo
Right !! After 30+ years in software ( and big system business ) - I have to see the first time a programmer is the source of the problems - it always has been the management ! Yes - the programmer can refuse to do whatever AND he/she will be fired in threee seconds - been there.. Hail the corporate world.. Sorry - this is the way the world works. Not in god mood - middle of fixing something the ( previous ) management didn't get right - do they ever ???
have a nice day - tuomo
Just going through the CM definition process again( 6th time in 30 years ).. In this case I would say CVS is not enough - in some other case CVS is great. If there is only need for programming process control ( not CM ) CVS or any lower level tool will be enough. If the CM process will include the whole life cycle of several products, several users ( !! customers, not just analysts, programmers, document people, support personel, etc.. ), bug tracking ( support !! ), maturity process and new technologies - then you will need a CM process and no tool ( maybe, just maybe excluding Continuus ) will do that. These systems are not cheap - $ 0.2-1 mill. but the ROI ( return of investment ) can be huge - over next 3-5 years ! And they really make life easier - combined with a good data dictionary / catalog / repository ( what ever you want to call it ) - changes over versions, release, development, test and production versions, global development, work group control, project/time management, change control, bug tracking, documentation, and so on, comes almost trivial. Any tool will be helpfull - but a small warning - using a tool a wrong way, without pre-defined process, etc.. means problems and with CM tools even (much) more so - seen that too many times..
Proves something - nothing changes.. This has been the attitude of "so called" IS, IT, network, whatever.. managers for 30 years I have been working with computers. They always seem to be against any changes - so just punch your paper tapes or cards - we feel safe that way.. I'm sorry - it just doesn't work - and if their network is so weak that some isolated user systems ( Linux or any ) can cause problems they really have other and much worse problems..