You will see webpages on www.microsoft.com on how to use your toaster and how to protect it from external attack. And if he crash this probably will be a hardware failure (a bread bit got into the system;))
I would have far less problem to move on if the community self-designed by the word hacker since the late 70's weren't doing illegal stuffs and thus giving a bad reputation to this word also used since the late 60's but another community in the computer field.
Ok, let say that during the 80's the virus coders called themselves software engineers because they are engineering new kind of softwares or whatever BS reason. Now, in the 90's it is them that are designed with this name by the medias. Wouldn't you be bothered to be looked oddly when you say to somebody "i'm a software engineer". Ok, the term engineer normally cannot be used that easily but that is not the point. The point is this would probably makes you angry that you can't use your activity's name without being compared to morons. Guess what, it also bothers me when morons call themselves hackers without being one. You might say "Ok so why do you call yourself a hacker?" but I don't call myself a hacker, I call myself a newbie or a wannabe now (I'm not a guru but I am not exactly a newbie). I understand the hacker spirit and want to be part of this community one day. enough said.
A few months ago there was a discussion on gnome mailing list about how to do the auto-mounting stuff so people don't have to mount like under windows. Their are the little applets for the Gnome bar that are cool but this still need to educate the user to mount and unmount the disks.
At the time I was wondering if this would be useful to add this kind of properties to directories: something to execute when you enter/leave a directory so when you enter/mnt/floppy it mounts the floppy disc but when you leave/mnt/floppy it unmount it.
This looks like what you are doing and this is something that i am looking forward to;)
Good job guys.
BTW: in another post Mandrake is talking about "tools tod do that" in reference to change themes and configurate themes. I was wondering if there was such a thing already into work and even wanted to do one (unfortunately I am stuck in a foreign country with no Linux box around so right now I can't).
This would be cool to have a general theme creator software that give some general functions and support plug-ins so you just need to create a plu-in with the help of the provided functions to add the support of the creations of E.x themes when E.x is out a break the theme compatibility (if this happen again), or do a plug-in to be able to create KWM themes...
Is there something like that begun or even planned ?
Yup, the great thing about E is that it is useable and beautiful while still being in beta version. I don't think windows even came quarter closer at version 0.15 (hahahaha, given what windows 1.0 was like the Beta versions should have been ridiculous).
BTW, I first tried e 0.13 and the theme rocked. I know they are some port in 0.15 but I have tried two of them and they weren't quite the same (the 0.13 pager was beautiful, I am eager to see the new pager).
yep, and the "Twelve Monkeys" is a remake of a film called "La jetee". So even Hollywood seem to search into other countries films to find good Sci-Fi movies (and I say movies, not books).
"Mr. J should have renamed it, (say to NP) and mentioned that it was based on P.."
It made a long times i haven't read the GPL but isn't there a clause that say that if you fork a project you must change the name or something like that (this part may also be why GPL code is not compatible with the old BSD license with advertising clause).
Of course we don't know if this project was GPL'd.
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yes, they is a solution: Get rid of all users;)
(i.e. userfriendly: I found the thing that can improve your staff work environment: Get rid of your customers)
>Language is a fluid thing, and it's controlled to a major extent by the media.
You are right. but why do the media call those we call crackers hackers? because they had the limelight before the hackers (the true ones) in the 80's (it's more interesting to talk about people cracking computers than to talk about people constructing things)so they had plenty of time to impose their definition. Now that the Free Software movement is gaining momentum this is a unique occasion for us to revert this trend and impose our definition.
Oh, and why would our definition be more accurate than theirs? it's not more "accurate", it's a name, a label. It just occur that we used this word in this sense before and we love it so we want it back.
Yep, this is possible and this happened at least one time in France. I don't remember where exactly but given that most American (i say American, not/.ers) couldn't place their state on a map I wouldn't even begin to ask them to place another country on a map (France or another country) at the exception of Italy tha is easily recognisable with is boot-shape.
>Okay, so requirement #1 to be a hacker is an ability to code.
more exactly, the requirement to be a COMPUTER HACKER is an ability to code.
Hacking is the love of understanding things and constructing things. This can be in other fields than computer but this is mostly used in the computer world. of course this also have taken the meaning to destroy things now (meaning hackers are fighting against) but I don't refer to hacker with this meaning in this post.
Knowing how to code is a requirement for a chacker in the computing field because you can't understand a computer if you never did some coding.
So yes, a computer hacker most know how to code. this don't made all coders hackers and this is not needed to be your main activity (ESR is a hacker but I'm not sure he has got a lot of time to code these days). Hackers are people that generally consider coding like an art and do it for the sake of doing it as much as because they need it.
If you want to know more about hacking check the hacker's howto, the loginataka and the jargon file . You can find them (or some link) on ESR webpage (check www.tuxedo.org/~esr et www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings)
Well, a discussion about the meaning of Hacker was forced to arrive on/. with this article i guess;)
Yes a word can have many senses in different context but the problem is that hackers (in the definitions dating back to the 60's) and crackers (that call themselves hackers) are in the same context. Ok, not exactly the same but for people from outside (i.e. non-geeks) this is the same context: the computer world.
given that for 90% of the population this is the same context this is bad to have a word to refer to two things when one of these is legal (hacking) and the other is illegal (cracking...unless you are a samourai (i.e. a hacker paid to make a security audit by tempting to crack his client)).
Of course you may say that the word cracker also have another meaning: to rip off the copy protection of softwares in order to make warez. The fact that cracker has two meaning if we stick to call website-intruders crackers is less problematic for two reason: 1. Both activities are underground and illegal.
2. You can consider the act of cracking as being the act of breaking a software security. Security against duplication or security against data intrusion.
If the hacker (in the first computer meaning) scene was dead I would see no problem in calling website-intruders hackers because this would mislead nobody but because the hacker crowd is far from being dead I see no reason why we should give up this meaning to them.
Sorry to be off topic but I just read userfriendly's strip for today and noticed that there was a character with a T-shirt on which was written "I love Jar Jar". I couldn't help laughing about that given all the anti-jar jar crowd at/. (I'm in the UK so I haven't seen the movie yet (Argh two more days to wait:( )).
Will I be moderated to -1 because I am offtopic or to +5 because this detail is funny? Wait and see;)
"Actually, the Linux kernel is *not* a GNU project."
are you sure? haven't the FSF made Linux the official GNU kernel (given that HURD won't be ready before a long time)? A GNU project isn't forced to be developped by the FSF, this can be given by the FSF if your work can help them to create a free replacement for a software. Gnome is also a Gnu projec but i don't think there are a lot of people working on it at the FSF.
What you are saying is that Linus is not a hacker because he started Linux from scratch. Hacking has nothing to do with the notion of beginning or continuing someone works. Hacking has nothing to do with vandalism. Hacking have got to do with a disposition of mind bended toward constructing things and sharing them. You can construct these things from scratch or modify the work of other hackers but this is still hacking.
That's very strange, I first thought you double posted your response to my post and to the post i was responding but after my own reply to your post I see that it also double posted it to your two posts. Is that a bug?
If they do some change in the Linux kernel to have better multimedia support and then release the sources because of the GPL (oups...this may be a binary module) this would be great for everyone. You could stick with your classical Linux desktop or choose to buy the Amiga OS with a GNU/Linux foundation and the Amiga GUI. Cool;)
"That caused the database to overflow and crash all LAN consoles and miniature remote terminal units, the memo said." (from the article at http://www.gcn.com/gcn/1998/July13/cov2.htm)
Both the ship control app and NT had a problem :
The control app had the problem with a division by 0, which is quite dumb IMHO.
NT had a problem with instability, otherwise the consoles wouldn't be crashed isn't it?
And further in the article you can read:
"But according to DiGiorgio, who in an interview said he has serviced automated control systems on Navy ships for the past 26 years, the NT operating system is the source of the Yorktown's computer problems."
So is this an Urban Legend? We may have a response in a century;)
Well, this WAS a modified version of BSD program that was modified and put under a more restricted license. The BSD license allow you to do that. The GPL don't (unless it don't stand up in court), this i swhy I prefer the GPL (and why other people prefer the BSD license too;)).
Just a little rectification: Gnome don't have any official wm, they want to be wm agnostic (you can love it or hate it this is not the point here).
You probably think that enlightenment is Gnome default wm because Redhat use enlightenment with Gnome and enlightenment was (is?) the most Gnome complient wm but this is a decision from Redhat and not from the Gnome team. this may even cahnge now that Rastermann left Redhat.
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You will see webpages on www.microsoft.com on how to use your toaster and how to protect it from external attack. And if he crash this probably will be a hardware failure (a bread bit got into the system
I would have far less problem to move on if the community self-designed by the word hacker since the late 70's weren't doing illegal stuffs and thus giving a bad reputation to this word also used since the late 60's but another community in the computer field.
Ok, let say that during the 80's the virus coders called themselves software engineers because they are engineering new kind of softwares or whatever BS reason. Now, in the 90's it is them that are designed with this name by the medias. Wouldn't you be bothered to be looked oddly when you say to somebody "i'm a software engineer". Ok, the term engineer normally cannot be used that easily but that is not the point. The point is this would probably makes you angry that you can't use your activity's name without being compared to morons. Guess what, it also bothers me when morons call themselves hackers without being one.
You might say "Ok so why do you call yourself a hacker?" but I don't call myself a hacker, I call myself a newbie or a wannabe now (I'm not a guru but I am not exactly a newbie). I understand the hacker spirit and want to be part of this community one day. enough said.
"I can figure out from context what someone means by 'hacker'."
I can too but the problem is the millions of non-computers people that can't and think you are an outlaw if you say that you are a hacker.
there is still work to fight the censure: you post is illegal in Australia :-(
A few months ago there was a discussion on gnome mailing list about how to do the auto-mounting stuff so people don't have to mount like under windows. Their are the little applets for the Gnome bar that are cool but this still need to educate the user to mount and unmount the disks.
At the time I was wondering if this would be useful to add this kind of properties to directories: something to execute when you enter/leave a directory so when you enter
This looks like what you are doing and this is something that i am looking forward to
Good job guys.
BTW: in another post Mandrake is talking about "tools tod do that" in reference to change themes and configurate themes. I was wondering if there was such a thing already into work and even wanted to do one (unfortunately I am stuck in a foreign country with no Linux box around so right now I can't).
This would be cool to have a general theme creator software that give some general functions and support plug-ins so you just need to create a plu-in with the help of the provided functions to add the support of the creations of E.x themes when E.x is out a break the theme compatibility (if this happen again), or do a plug-in to be able to create KWM themes...
Is there something like that begun or even planned ?
Yup, the great thing about E is that it is useable and beautiful while still being in beta version. I don't think windows even came quarter closer at version 0.15 (hahahaha, given what windows 1.0 was like the Beta versions should have been ridiculous).
BTW, I first tried e 0.13 and the theme rocked. I know they are some port in 0.15 but I have tried two of them and they weren't quite the same (the 0.13 pager was beautiful, I am eager to see the new pager).
Thanks you guys for doing so cool stuffs.
yep, and the "Twelve Monkeys" is a remake of a film called "La jetee". So even Hollywood seem to search into other countries films to find good Sci-Fi movies (and I say movies, not books).
"Mr. J should have renamed it, (say to NP) and mentioned that it was based on P.."
It made a long times i haven't read the GPL but isn't there a clause that say that if you fork a project you must change the name or something like that (this part may also be why GPL code is not compatible with the old BSD license with advertising clause).
Of course we don't know if this project was GPL'd.
yes, they is a solution: Get rid of all users
(i.e. userfriendly: I found the thing that can improve your staff work environment: Get rid of your customers)
"BTW if NT is so ludicrously insecure, how come www.bbc.co.uk has never been cracked ? They seem to use IIS as well as NT
Sorry but Netcraft return:
www.bbc.co.uk is running Apache/1.3.1 (Unix) on Solaris
not NT nor IIS
>Language is a fluid thing, and it's controlled to a major extent by the media.
You are right. but why do the media call those we call crackers hackers? because they had the limelight before the hackers (the true ones) in the 80's (it's more interesting to talk about people cracking computers than to talk about people constructing things)so they had plenty of time to impose their definition. Now that the Free Software movement is gaining momentum this is a unique occasion for us to revert this trend and impose our definition.
Oh, and why would our definition be more accurate than theirs? it's not more "accurate", it's a name, a label. It just occur that we used this word in this sense before and we love it so we want it back.
Yep, this is possible and this happened at least one time in France. I don't remember where exactly but given that most American (i say American, not
>Okay, so requirement #1 to be a hacker is an ability to code.
more exactly, the requirement to be a COMPUTER HACKER is an ability to code.
Hacking is the love of understanding things and constructing things. This can be in other fields than computer but this is mostly used in the computer world. of course this also have taken the meaning to destroy things now (meaning hackers are fighting against) but I don't refer to hacker with this meaning in this post.
Knowing how to code is a requirement for a chacker in the computing field because you can't understand a computer if you never did some coding.
So yes, a computer hacker most know how to code. this don't made all coders hackers and this is not needed to be your main activity (ESR is a hacker but I'm not sure he has got a lot of time to code these days). Hackers are people that generally consider coding like an art and do it for the sake of doing it as much as because they need it.
If you want to know more about hacking check the hacker's howto, the loginataka and the jargon file . You can find them (or some link) on ESR webpage (check www.tuxedo.org/~esr et www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings)
Well, a discussion about the meaning of Hacker was forced to arrive on
Yes a word can have many senses in different context but the problem is that hackers (in the definitions dating back to the 60's) and crackers (that call themselves hackers) are in the same context. Ok, not exactly the same but for people from outside (i.e. non-geeks) this is the same context: the computer world.
given that for 90% of the population this is the same context this is bad to have a word to refer to two things when one of these is legal (hacking) and the other is illegal (cracking...unless you are a samourai (i.e. a hacker paid to make a security audit by tempting to crack his client)).
Of course you may say that the word cracker also have another meaning: to rip off the copy protection of softwares in order to make warez.
The fact that cracker has two meaning if we stick to call website-intruders crackers is less problematic for two reason:
1. Both activities are underground and illegal.
2. You can consider the act of cracking as being the act of breaking a software security. Security against duplication or security against data intrusion.
If the hacker (in the first computer meaning) scene was dead I would see no problem in calling website-intruders hackers because this would mislead nobody but because the hacker crowd is far from being dead I see no reason why we should give up this meaning to them.
Sorry to be off topic but I just read userfriendly's strip for today and noticed that there was a character with a T-shirt on which was written "I love Jar Jar". I couldn't help laughing about that given all the anti-jar jar crowd at
Will I be moderated to -1 because I am offtopic or to +5 because this detail is funny? Wait and see
"Actually, the Linux kernel is *not* a GNU project."
are you sure? haven't the FSF made Linux the official GNU kernel (given that HURD won't be ready before a long time)? A GNU project isn't forced to be developped by the FSF, this can be given by the FSF if your work can help them to create a free replacement for a software. Gnome is also a Gnu projec but i don't think there are a lot of people working on it at the FSF.
Of course, correct me if I am wrong
What you are saying is that Linus is not a hacker because he started Linux from scratch. Hacking has nothing to do with the notion of beginning or continuing someone works. Hacking has nothing to do with vandalism. Hacking have got to do with a disposition of mind bended toward constructing things and sharing them. You can construct these things from scratch or modify the work of other hackers but this is still hacking.
>Is that a bug.
Silly of me, I forgot my course: this is a
That's very strange, I first thought you double posted your response to my post and to the post i was responding but after my own reply to your post I see that it also double posted it to your two posts. Is that a bug?
so with the firmware this was still less than 2 HD floppies. that's very impressive.
Don't forget that the first release was in 1985. was it two HD floppies with 1.44Mb or smaller floppies?
Check out: http://www.amiga.com/diary/executive/linux-e.html
;)
for more informations
If they do some change in the Linux kernel to have better multimedia support and then release the sources because of the GPL (oups...this may be a binary module) this would be great for everyone. You could stick with your classical Linux desktop or choose to buy the Amiga OS with a GNU/Linux foundation and the Amiga GUI. Cool
"That caused the database to overflow and crash all LAN consoles and miniature remote terminal units, the memo said." (from the article at http://www.gcn.com/gcn/1998/July13/cov2.htm)
;)
Both the ship control app and NT had a problem :
The control app had the problem with a division by 0, which is quite dumb IMHO.
NT had a problem with instability, otherwise the consoles wouldn't be crashed isn't it?
And further in the article you can read:
"But according to DiGiorgio, who in an interview said he has serviced automated control systems on Navy ships for the past 26 years, the NT operating system is the source of the Yorktown's computer problems."
So is this an Urban Legend? We may have a response in a century
>I always thought it was an ancient BSD program
;)).
Well, this WAS a modified version of BSD program that was modified and put under a more restricted license. The BSD license allow you to do that. The GPL don't (unless it don't stand up in court), this i swhy I prefer the GPL (and why other people prefer the BSD license too
Just a little rectification: Gnome don't have any official wm, they want to be wm agnostic (you can love it or hate it this is not the point here).
You probably think that enlightenment is Gnome default wm because Redhat use enlightenment with Gnome and enlightenment was (is?) the most Gnome complient wm but this is a decision from Redhat and not from the Gnome team. this may even cahnge now that Rastermann left Redhat.