I was beginning to think that XP is almost cultish amongst certain colleagues, but this is silly. You sound like an Amway marketeer in this post. If the guy's burnt out with CS, the last thing he's going to want to do is be cramped with another programmer the entire day, or sit in "user stories" meetings which seem to go on forever and accomplish nothing.
Oh yeah, because EVERYONE on this damn planet can read, debug, and fix code.
Will you OSS zealots get it through your head that having the code doesn't mean jack shit to 99.9% of the population?
This will probably be maked flamebait, but I don't care...
I, like so many others here I assume, come from a blue collar family. My stepfather works for a water company, so technically he is "on call" always and forever. He can say he can't make it in if something happens, and luckily there's 50 other employees to pester, but I can't count the number of times he had to get dressed again and go out to work at 10pm or something, with no sleep, and go do his job for another 10 hours. And then he got double time, which is nice.
Now I am salaried...I get paid for 40 hours - I work 60? Paid 40. Miss some hours due to something? Gotta make them up.
My point is, I get irritated when someone whines like this. You actually want to be paid money for carrying a pager around just in case something goes wrong? Is this how spoiled people are becoming in the IT business? It's this kind of attitude, the "I deserve big bucks for little tings" and "I deserve to live like a king without working hard" which has lead to the current dot-bombs. We just play around with computers...we're NOT like firefighters or doctors who are on call and, oh, save lives!
My manager once said that he feels workeers ought to get at least one tech journal. I think I agree with him now.
I admit I don't code too much on my own anymore, because I've become disenchanted with doing private Winders programming. Ok, flame away:) Anyhow, the point is that I still get VBPJ because I could glean *something* from it that may help at work. Furthermore, once I find something interesting, currently hacking around with PHP, I'm *very* interested.
However, many of my coworkers definitely don't seem to have anything to do with computers once 5pm hits. I doubt they even browse the web much...and they're obviously missing out on alot by not doing that. No matter what your language and OS of choice (or merely profession), you'll find info every day out there. Obviously alot of that content is right here at slashdot. But they don't, and thus I'm not all that surprised that I'm the junior member of the team, yet I seem to run alot of the show, and have most of the answers. And I don't even consider myself any kind of expert...hell, I program in VB:P...but I can make VB do anything that is possible in Windows because I researhced and learned alot of API tricks and other stuff.
That's so odd. I knew a few people at my old job who disliked Maxtor, yet I've used three of them that are still kicking fine. The only reason I upgraded was due to increasing space demands on my part. The 800M I got years ago is still chugging along nicely in my old 486.
I must be lucky.
The most important is getting everything in writing.
Like a fool, in the desire to work near my hometown, I took a job, but the deal was that $7000 of my pay was to be held until the project completion. Well, I got it close to done in 6 months, but then feature creep set in (by the VP, not me), we had to add better versions of competitor's enhancements to their products, etc. Then I got sick, had to get surgery, and was out a month. So now it's a year I'm working on this, and when I return, I'm told I had to get it done in a month to claim $5000, or two months to claim $3500! I quit via fax two days later.
So the moral is, get things in writing. All I had was an email where we clarified if this was a bonus or pay withheld (it was pay withheld!). But I don't know if that would hold up in court as enough of a contract to claim they broke it with the "offer" upon my return. I just said the hell with it, moved to an actual city, and now am making nearly twice as much. But never trust it unless it's signed on the dotted line!
Slashdot Mirror
I saw this mentioned a few weeks ago when Patrick Norton first discovered this.
I'm glad I'm getting breaking news on Slashdot. The only thing announced first here are kernel updates. Is this site even relevant anymore?
I was beginning to think that XP is almost cultish amongst certain colleagues, but this is silly. You sound like an Amway marketeer in this post. If the guy's burnt out with CS, the last thing he's going to want to do is be cramped with another programmer the entire day, or sit in "user stories" meetings which seem to go on forever and accomplish nothing.
Oh yeah, because EVERYONE on this damn planet can read, debug, and fix code.
Will you OSS zealots get it through your head that having the code doesn't mean jack shit to 99.9% of the population?
This will probably be maked flamebait, but I don't care... I, like so many others here I assume, come from a blue collar family. My stepfather works for a water company, so technically he is "on call" always and forever. He can say he can't make it in if something happens, and luckily there's 50 other employees to pester, but I can't count the number of times he had to get dressed again and go out to work at 10pm or something, with no sleep, and go do his job for another 10 hours. And then he got double time, which is nice. Now I am salaried...I get paid for 40 hours - I work 60? Paid 40. Miss some hours due to something? Gotta make them up. My point is, I get irritated when someone whines like this. You actually want to be paid money for carrying a pager around just in case something goes wrong? Is this how spoiled people are becoming in the IT business? It's this kind of attitude, the "I deserve big bucks for little tings" and "I deserve to live like a king without working hard" which has lead to the current dot-bombs. We just play around with computers...we're NOT like firefighters or doctors who are on call and, oh, save lives!
My manager once said that he feels workeers ought to get at least one tech journal. I think I agree with him now. :) Anyhow, the point is that I still get VBPJ because I could glean *something* from it that may help at work. Furthermore, once I find something interesting, currently hacking around with PHP, I'm *very* interested.
:P ...but I can make VB do anything that is possible in Windows because I researhced and learned alot of API tricks and other stuff.
I admit I don't code too much on my own anymore, because I've become disenchanted with doing private Winders programming. Ok, flame away
However, many of my coworkers definitely don't seem to have anything to do with computers once 5pm hits. I doubt they even browse the web much...and they're obviously missing out on alot by not doing that. No matter what your language and OS of choice (or merely profession), you'll find info every day out there. Obviously alot of that content is right here at slashdot. But they don't, and thus I'm not all that surprised that I'm the junior member of the team, yet I seem to run alot of the show, and have most of the answers. And I don't even consider myself any kind of expert...hell, I program in VB
That's so odd. I knew a few people at my old job who disliked Maxtor, yet I've used three of them that are still kicking fine. The only reason I upgraded was due to increasing space demands on my part. The 800M I got years ago is still chugging along nicely in my old 486. I must be lucky.
The most important is getting everything in writing. Like a fool, in the desire to work near my hometown, I took a job, but the deal was that $7000 of my pay was to be held until the project completion. Well, I got it close to done in 6 months, but then feature creep set in (by the VP, not me), we had to add better versions of competitor's enhancements to their products, etc. Then I got sick, had to get surgery, and was out a month. So now it's a year I'm working on this, and when I return, I'm told I had to get it done in a month to claim $5000, or two months to claim $3500! I quit via fax two days later. So the moral is, get things in writing. All I had was an email where we clarified if this was a bonus or pay withheld (it was pay withheld!). But I don't know if that would hold up in court as enough of a contract to claim they broke it with the "offer" upon my return. I just said the hell with it, moved to an actual city, and now am making nearly twice as much. But never trust it unless it's signed on the dotted line!