I'm sorry, Mr. Jones, but the time lock on my text has expired, and I won't be able to perform your life saving surgery today.
Ouch. All doctors are in "practices"! They need the books to help get it right. Ouch. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Folks, get used to it. Love doesn't make the world go around, money does. Everybody wants their piece of the pie. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Hey, for those of us who don't smoke, can we change that to blowing our noses into a $100 bill? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Does anybody know where to find tarballs of Helix Gnome? I can't seem to find them on the ftp server. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Doesn't a slow net connection make for hard downloading also? I have a very slow net connection, and I beg and plead with friends to burn me CDs of gnome, linux, etc because I can't download the stuff in a reasonable amount of time.
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Right. The albums definately had a different feel to them, but they didn't suck. There was/is some darn good music on those albums. It just wasn't MOP or RTL.
Without a doubt, AJFA is their best album.
As long as those guys get together and play live, I'll show up to see them. I saw them on the summer tour, and they played louder and harder than I've ever heard them before. They may not write another MOP, but they still can play that song live. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Yes, many times. I would rather a band try something new rather than put out the same old shit album after album (AC/DC, anyone?).
So, what's wrong with Load/Reload? Everyone here dogs those two albums, but not one person on/. is willing to give me any valid points why those albums suck so bad. The typical response is, "Dude, if you can't tell, you must be stupid." Great. Mr. AC, please give me a detailed list of what's wrong with Load/Reload. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Oh yeah. On the x86, we used windows and Bochs, which was a great combo. The semester before, people were having to reboot to dos on the windows boxen. They were only p-120s, and it was a pretty painfull process. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
but what's a mainframe running Linux gonna do for you? Stability and speed. For I/O throughput, nothings going to match big iron. IBM has been cranking these things out since the 60's, and they really do know what they are doing.
A really good use would be teaching an operating systems class. Each student would get a virtual machine to play with. Easy to crash, and easy to start right back up. You get the experience of working with a 'real' machine, but not all of the headaches that come from constant reboots. I've taken an OpSys class on both the 390 and x86, and on both I had virtual machines to play with, and it was a nice change of pace to be able to crash the virtual machine rather than the real one. The mainframe had the distinct advantage of being able to host all of the comp sci classes and only start to slow down near the end of the semester. It would only start to be noticeably slow when both CPUs got up to 90% utilization. Not bad for a machine with only 16 megs of physical RAM. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I believe the full quote was "I will agree that it is not their fault, but they sure as hell can't claim ignorance." They know what's going on, and they are not doing anything to stop it, and they are profiting from it. They can try to hide behind the copyright notice, but come on. I know what's going on, you know what's going on, and they know what's going on. They found their little cash cow, and the don't want to give credit where credit is due. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
So, ok, if I tape a song off the radio, and listen to my tape instead of buying a single, the artist is compensated by the radio play? No. Yes, the artist is compensated by the radio play. The artist is not compenstated when you listen to the tape. That's why the artist is compensated when the song is played on the radio. It's called fair use. You can tape all you want for personal use. Typically, the source that you are taping from has compensated the artist for his or her work. What you are not supposed to do is make copies of things that you've fair use copied and distribute them.
Back when I had records, I used to tape them so I could listen to them on my walkman. Perfectly legal, perfectly cool. When I would make copies for my friends, not legal, not cool.
Napster does not make tapes or CDs. Napster facilitates copyright violations. Oh, according to Napster's policy, it's not supposed to happen, but it does and they know it. Spare me the struggling artist argument, Napster is used to break copyright laws. I will agree that it is not their fault, but they sure as hell can't claim ignorance. But, they are making a buck off the backs of others without compensating them, and that, according to my beliefs, not right.
Napster doesn't seem like fair use to me. For me to make a fair use copy of something, I have to copy from the original source (CD, radio, TV). Using Napster doesn't require that. Equating Napster to TDK really doesn't hold up. I can buy CDs to backup my data files on my computer. If I created the data and burn it onto a CD, there's no copyright violation. It's just a backup. If I use Napster to copy a copyrighted song, there's a copyright violation. It is possible to get songs legally using Napster, but let's not kid ourselves, the vast majority of Napster traffic is copyright violations.
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movies, books, tv, or even music taped from the radio I haven't seen too many people copy entire books.
Movies - HBO pays money to rebroadcast them. Money exchanges hands. TV - Same deal. Radio - ASCAP or somebody makes sure that the creators see some cash every time the song is played on the radio.
Like it or not, Napster is making money off other peoples work. But, you say, Napster makes money off of advertising! Here's the catch -> in order to make money advertising, you have to have people view the adds. TV, HBO, and the radio broadcast things, play commericials or charge subscriptions, and eventually money makes it back to the creators of the works. They couldn't sell advertising if there was nothing to watch/listen to. Now take Napster. We're going to show adds (I'm not sure how this works, I've never seen Napster) to people while they use our software. We need to have something to draw people to us. Let's both admit that if people couldn't download good music using Napster, they wouldn't use it. You can site Napster's Copyright Policy all you want, but if people couldn't get good songs for free from Napster, they wouldn't use it. Plain and simple.
I can't recall the reference, but I think it was a Salon article that was pretty damning for the Napster guys. Some internal e-mails from those guys admitted they knew that the only way they were in business was by assisting people in breaking copyright laws.
Napster is a good idea, and the recording industry needs to wake up and embrace the idea and work with Napster rather than try to squish them. I have downloaded some free sample MP3s from various sites, found a few I liked, found a few I hated, and bought some CDs because of it.
Napster and the RIAA should strike a deal ASAP to get Napster set up basically as a radio station, where they pay a penny a transfer to the artist. That would most likey settle things, and we could get back to other stuff. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I'm not against the Napster folks making a buck. I'm all for it. I wish I would have thought of it. It doesn't bother me that people want to make money. I want to make money. I wanna be disgustingly rich.
Napster is trying to make money off the works of others without compensating the producers of the works. TV stations buy programs, and sell advertising time to pay for the programs. Napster sells advertising time without compensating the producers of the works they are helping to distribute. It's a great idea, but if you are a middleman, at some point you have to pay your supplier. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Long time readers will know I'm pro-Metallica, but here goes...
It amazes me how people can selectively turn on the blinders sometimes. Your first two paragraphs are dead on the the money. You are quite correct. But...
I do not see the hypocrisy. Open your fscking eyes! Um, let's see. Napster position one - Other people create music, we profit from it. Napster position two - We create a protocol, and we won't let other people communicate using it so they can make a profit. Or, to put it another way, Napster position one - we can make money off your work. Napster position two - you can't make money off our work. Which part isn't clear? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
If the site is down or being DOS'ed, why did you post a link? Get some coffee, it's still early. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Hunkapiller is no more interested in determining who is born and who dies than I am. He's interested in making the same thing I am. Cash. He's a businessman who has shareholders and he must turn a profit or be fired. He doesn't care what his products are used for, he's just concerned about the bottom line.
He won't have a say in what goes on. The governments and corporations who buy his products will. Get a fscking clue. Maybe this could be used to screen for, you guessed it, Colombine type killers. Yeah! Hunkapiller could control the high schools in the USofA and screen potential killers!
Where do you dig up this sh*t? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
IIRC, Arnie was a Cyberdine Systems Model 101. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Maybe they should get Miguel from Helixcode. I hear he's adorable. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Now Chip and Nat have explained it to me, the picture is slightly different. Why didn't you talk to them in the first place?
There are just too many knee-jerk reactions in the geek communities to be believed. You're having a seizure over this, and had you had some patience, all this would not have been necessary. It's as bad as Bruce Perens flaming whoever it was before contacting them about a GPL violation. Had Bruce contacted them first, resolved the issue, and then posted a nice message about the whole thing, it would have made the geek communities look better. Same thing here. Get your information correct first, and then think, and then act.
When you're home and you burn the popcorn in the microwave and you see smoke, you don't run through the house scream "The house is burning, the house is burning!", you get the bag of burnt popcorn, toss it in the trash, open the windows, and apologize to the wife for burning the popcorn.
Just relax and take it easier. Everything works out in the end. Remember, you can't change the direction of the wind, but you can adjust the sails on your boat. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
First he publicly flogs his SO for using a Mac, and now...
the adorable Miguel de Icaza
What's up with that? I've called other men Handsome, eg. Tom Selleck, but never adorable. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
and all the rest (including Slashdot) are just barking dogs chasing their wheels? I've always viewed/. as the dog that stops, smells the fire hydrant, and then tries to port Linux to it. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
If you're trying to bait me, you're going to have to try harder. Your post is such a blatant troll I feel bad for even replying to it. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
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Boy, this sounds like a bad idea....
I'm sorry, Mr. Jones, but the time lock on my text has expired, and I won't be able to perform your life saving surgery today.
Ouch. All doctors are in "practices"! They need the books to help get it right. Ouch.
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There
Ain't
No
Such
Thing
As
A
Free
Lunch
Folks, get used to it. Love doesn't make the world go around, money does. Everybody wants their piece of the pie.
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Five Billions Dollars of technology and what are you doing with it?
Burning it.
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Hey, for those of us who don't smoke, can we change that to blowing our noses into a $100 bill?
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Does anybody know where to find tarballs of Helix Gnome? I can't seem to find them on the ftp server.
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Doesn't a slow net connection make for hard downloading also? I have a very slow net connection, and I beg and plead with friends to burn me CDs of gnome, linux, etc because I can't download the stuff in a reasonable amount of time.
If your connection is so slow you can't upload, why can you download?
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Right. The albums definately had a different feel to them, but they didn't suck. There was/is some darn good music on those albums. It just wasn't MOP or RTL.
Without a doubt, AJFA is their best album.
As long as those guys get together and play live, I'll show up to see them. I saw them on the summer tour, and they played louder and harder than I've ever heard them before. They may not write another MOP, but they still can play that song live.
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Yes, many times. I would rather a band try something new rather than put out the same old shit album after album (AC/DC, anyone?).
/. is willing to give me any valid points why those albums suck so bad. The typical response is, "Dude, if you can't tell, you must be stupid." Great. Mr. AC, please give me a detailed list of what's wrong with Load/Reload.
So, what's wrong with Load/Reload? Everyone here dogs those two albums, but not one person on
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That's not Emmett, that's Steve Jobs.
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The one name better than Ransom Love is...
Havoc Pennington.
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Oh yeah. On the x86, we used windows and Bochs, which was a great combo. The semester before, people were having to reboot to dos on the windows boxen. They were only p-120s, and it was a pretty painfull process.
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but what's a mainframe running Linux gonna do for you?
Stability and speed. For I/O throughput, nothings going to match big iron. IBM has been cranking these things out since the 60's, and they really do know what they are doing.
A really good use would be teaching an operating systems class. Each student would get a virtual machine to play with. Easy to crash, and easy to start right back up. You get the experience of working with a 'real' machine, but not all of the headaches that come from constant reboots. I've taken an OpSys class on both the 390 and x86, and on both I had virtual machines to play with, and it was a nice change of pace to be able to crash the virtual machine rather than the real one. The mainframe had the distinct advantage of being able to host all of the comp sci classes and only start to slow down near the end of the semester. It would only start to be noticeably slow when both CPUs got up to 90% utilization. Not bad for a machine with only 16 megs of physical RAM.
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I believe the full quote was "I will agree that it is not their fault, but they sure as hell can't claim ignorance."
They know what's going on, and they are not doing anything to stop it, and they are profiting from it. They can try to hide behind the copyright notice, but come on. I know what's going on, you know what's going on, and they know what's going on. They found their little cash cow, and the don't want to give credit where credit is due.
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So, ok, if I tape a song off the radio, and listen to my tape instead of buying a single, the artist is compensated by the radio play? No.
Yes, the artist is compensated by the radio play. The artist is not compenstated when you listen to the tape. That's why the artist is compensated when the song is played on the radio. It's called fair use. You can tape all you want for personal use. Typically, the source that you are taping from has compensated the artist for his or her work. What you are not supposed to do is make copies of things that you've fair use copied and distribute them.
Back when I had records, I used to tape them so I could listen to them on my walkman. Perfectly legal, perfectly cool. When I would make copies for my friends, not legal, not cool.
Napster does not make tapes or CDs. Napster facilitates copyright violations. Oh, according to Napster's policy, it's not supposed to happen, but it does and they know it. Spare me the struggling artist argument, Napster is used to break copyright laws. I will agree that it is not their fault, but they sure as hell can't claim ignorance. But, they are making a buck off the backs of others without compensating them, and that, according to my beliefs, not right.
Napster doesn't seem like fair use to me. For me to make a fair use copy of something, I have to copy from the original source (CD, radio, TV). Using Napster doesn't require that. Equating Napster to TDK really doesn't hold up. I can buy CDs to backup my data files on my computer. If I created the data and burn it onto a CD, there's no copyright violation. It's just a backup. If I use Napster to copy a copyrighted song, there's a copyright violation. It is possible to get songs legally using Napster, but let's not kid ourselves, the vast majority of Napster traffic is copyright violations.
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movies, books, tv, or even music taped from the radio
I haven't seen too many people copy entire books.
Movies - HBO pays money to rebroadcast them. Money exchanges hands.
TV - Same deal.
Radio - ASCAP or somebody makes sure that the creators see some cash every time the song is played on the radio.
Like it or not, Napster is making money off other peoples work. But, you say, Napster makes money off of advertising! Here's the catch -> in order to make money advertising, you have to have people view the adds. TV, HBO, and the radio broadcast things, play commericials or charge subscriptions, and eventually money makes it back to the creators of the works. They couldn't sell advertising if there was nothing to watch/listen to. Now take Napster. We're going to show adds (I'm not sure how this works, I've never seen Napster) to people while they use our software. We need to have something to draw people to us. Let's both admit that if people couldn't download good music using Napster, they wouldn't use it. You can site Napster's Copyright Policy all you want, but if people couldn't get good songs for free from Napster, they wouldn't use it. Plain and simple.
I can't recall the reference, but I think it was a Salon article that was pretty damning for the Napster guys. Some internal e-mails from those guys admitted they knew that the only way they were in business was by assisting people in breaking copyright laws.
Napster is a good idea, and the recording industry needs to wake up and embrace the idea and work with Napster rather than try to squish them. I have downloaded some free sample MP3s from various sites, found a few I liked, found a few I hated, and bought some CDs because of it.
Napster and the RIAA should strike a deal ASAP to get Napster set up basically as a radio station, where they pay a penny a transfer to the artist. That would most likey settle things, and we could get back to other stuff.
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I'm not against the Napster folks making a buck. I'm all for it. I wish I would have thought of it. It doesn't bother me that people want to make money. I want to make money. I wanna be disgustingly rich.
Napster is trying to make money off the works of others without compensating the producers of the works. TV stations buy programs, and sell advertising time to pay for the programs. Napster sells advertising time without compensating the producers of the works they are helping to distribute. It's a great idea, but if you are a middleman, at some point you have to pay your supplier.
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Long time readers will know I'm pro-Metallica, but here goes...
It amazes me how people can selectively turn on the blinders sometimes. Your first two paragraphs are dead on the the money. You are quite correct. But...
I do not see the hypocrisy.
Open your fscking eyes! Um, let's see. Napster position one - Other people create music, we profit from it. Napster position two - We create a protocol, and we won't let other people communicate using it so they can make a profit.
Or, to put it another way, Napster position one - we can make money off your work. Napster position two - you can't make money off our work. Which part isn't clear?
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If the site is down or being DOS'ed, why did you post a link? Get some coffee, it's still early.
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Katz, jump on the fscking clue bus.
Hunkapiller is no more interested in determining who is born and who dies than I am. He's interested in making the same thing I am. Cash. He's a businessman who has shareholders and he must turn a profit or be fired. He doesn't care what his products are used for, he's just concerned about the bottom line.
He won't have a say in what goes on. The governments and corporations who buy his products will. Get a fscking clue. Maybe this could be used to screen for, you guessed it, Colombine type killers. Yeah! Hunkapiller could control the high schools in the USofA and screen potential killers!
Where do you dig up this sh*t?
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IIRC, Arnie was a Cyberdine Systems Model 101.
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Maybe they should get Miguel from Helixcode. I hear he's adorable.
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Now Chip and Nat have explained it to me, the picture is slightly different.
Why didn't you talk to them in the first place?
There are just too many knee-jerk reactions in the geek communities to be believed. You're having a seizure over this, and had you had some patience, all this would not have been necessary. It's as bad as Bruce Perens flaming whoever it was before contacting them about a GPL violation. Had Bruce contacted them first, resolved the issue, and then posted a nice message about the whole thing, it would have made the geek communities look better. Same thing here. Get your information correct first, and then think, and then act.
When you're home and you burn the popcorn in the microwave and you see smoke, you don't run through the house scream "The house is burning, the house is burning!", you get the bag of burnt popcorn, toss it in the trash, open the windows, and apologize to the wife for burning the popcorn.
Just relax and take it easier. Everything works out in the end. Remember, you can't change the direction of the wind, but you can adjust the sails on your boat.
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First he publicly flogs his SO for using a Mac, and now...
the adorable Miguel de Icaza
What's up with that? I've called other men Handsome, eg. Tom Selleck, but never adorable.
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and all the rest (including Slashdot) are just barking dogs chasing their wheels? /. as the dog that stops, smells the fire hydrant, and then tries to port Linux to it.
I've always viewed
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If you're trying to bait me, you're going to have to try harder. Your post is such a blatant troll I feel bad for even replying to it.
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