I'm a pretty big proponent of the second amendment... and it seems that you, unlike I are failing to read the entire thing.
The first half refers to in part 'militia'... yet the second half refers to 'the people'.
What gives? How can I get to the second half if I fail to read the first?
What's more interesting... is when you read the larger constitution and see how and when the term 'the people' is used... sure doesn't refer to the 'militia' much at all.
Sounds nice in theory... but how do you prove that you underwent such a check without creating a registry or an undue burden upon every single firearm owner?
So tomorrow in order to purchase any firearm... you need to undergo an NICS check... how do you prove that a week, year or decade from now?... assuming we don't create a registry of each transaction (including make, model and serial #).
Do you get a receipt as proof then all other electronic records are destroyed (as is required by law today)? What happens if god forbid you lose this piece of paper? Can you think of any other piece of paper which you are issued, with no chance to replace, and that failure to have would result in a crime?
More so, how would one prove that firearms they legally purchased privately prior to the implementation of such a requirement? Go down to the local FFL and run a check against themselves in order to get the transaction receipt?
Universal background checks sound nice in theory, but require either a universal registry or risk turning every single legal firearm owner into a potential criminal down the line.
You might note that when accidents happen NASCAR acts to reduce the risk of further accidents.
I'm fully aware of that... a similar thing has happened with airshows over the years (as one example of many).
The difference... is here you and I are talking about accidents vs evil acts... vs the fool above who refers to simply 'endagerment'.
If there is an accident at a shooting range... steps will be taken to try to make such a repeat even more unlikley (or impossible)... while if someone does something evil with a firearm, we see a knee jerk reaction to clamp down on the rights of responsible owners and users.
How about recognising that your constitution was not written by God and brought down from the mountain by Moses.
Clearly spoken by someone who has no understanding of the American system nor it's history.
We are talking about inalienable rights here, rights that are and were seen as granted by god and that the power of the government (or other men) the deprivation people of are limited.
Smart people adapt, ignorant people cling on to the past.
Actually ignorant people speak of what they do not understand.
I am not a religious man and yet I understand natural law, odd that eh? What does that say about you?
I seem to recall that being the cause of the MPAA back in the early days of the VCR... thankfully the courts determined that VCRs while capable of illegal things, there still existed "substantial non-infringing use".
Alas too many people are outright terrified of firearms that they do not recognize the same.
Maybe bring up a tutorial explaining that Metro works different and explain how you get stuff done.
Spoken like someone who has never installed or used Windows 8.
I seem to recall just such information being given when a Win 8 device (pc, tablet, etc) is doing its final configuration after you specify a system name, color, user account and the like.
If you are going to troll... at least be informed.
We cannot stand by and let these senseless meteors fall upon our great world... no! We must pass laws to require all meteor's that wish to pass within a parsec of us undergo a background check.
More so, we must declare the surface of the earth a "meteor free zone" and let it be known far and wide... that we do not allow meteor violence here!
State sales taxes are of no value to balancing federal budgets.
When the states are hurting because of their own misguided decisions... they often go to the feds looking for a bailout (either in name or in practice).
Whenever you hear the president talk about how billions and billions of cops, teachers, etc will be laid off if his bill doesn't pass... it is because the feds are subsidizing many a state.
Ergo, if states were more responsible in their own financial matters (and we didn't have an overbearing federal government)... then there would actually be an impact to the federal budget.
But for extra-state sales, this will have to survive a 10th Amendment challenge and well settled legal precedence dating back to the 18th century
Not really... many states have forms of 'use tax'es which kick in when you purchase something out of state and then bringing it into state... and depending on how much tax you paid out of state.
Here in Washington (state for instance)... if one take a drive down to Oregon and purchase a couple thousand dollars worth of electronics sales tax free (because OR has no sales tax)... upon bringing these goods into WA they am required to pay a use tax (more or less the same amount as the WA sales tax) on the goods.
Granted this is what a person is legally required to do... I'd be curious to know how often it happens as I know plenty who go to Portland just to spend a few hundred (or thousand) dollars to avoid the 9.5% sales tax round these parts.
This technically also applies to online sales... regardless of where the seller is located (or has a presence)... but again... not that many go by the law.
And lets not talk about Werwolf which was largely a pre-surrender propaganda move and never amounted to anything.
Additionally... unlike Iraq, we didn't exactly have a bunch of foreign fighters flooding into Germany after the surrender just so they could kill Americans.
To say that this country is "inundated in gun violence" is like saying Europe is inundated with Germans.
Yes... there are seemingly random occurrences distributed widelythroughout the region... but also massive concentrations in very specific areas are alas, very common... Chicago being one of those such places.
It is interesting when you look at the actual data of gun violence, the majority comes from a handful of areas and tend to involve pretty common aspects of those involved.
It also depends on how the "don't get viruses" comment is made.
A few years back my (then) girlfriend was in need of a new laptop, so we opted to cast a wide net which included a local Apple store and during the sales pitch the 'genius' had said "and these can't get PC viruses".
While technically true (when not running Windows)... I found it a rather deceitful way to try to brag about their security as I could have listed a few recent cases were Macs were in fact hacked... such as them being the first thing taken in most Pwn2Own contests... instead I bit my tongue and bought her a Samsung at Best Buy the next week.
Ahh good, someone else who sees the foolishness of so many here.
It occurs to me that some like the above AC would be defending George Zimmermann had a gun, burglary tools, or a crack pipe been found on the body of Trayvon Martin.
"He looked like he was up to no good... so I shot him... turns out I was justified in the end... look at all of these illegal and dangerous things he had on him" they would hope he would say... and yet, that is not how our system works.
You do not shoot first and *hope* the person you shot is actually up to no good.
You do not do massive document dumps in the *hopes* that something within *may* contain evidence of wrong doing.
If you have evidence, you present it... otherwise these people are advocating for a system where their own PCs and emails are targets for hacking and disclosure... as I'm sure with a bit of looking we could find evidence of wrong-doing.
Police: "What’s this here? She doesn't look 18... in fact, she doesn't even look 8."
AC: "That’s not mine! I don't know how it got there! I... I... I think that was in a virus laden pop-up that I closed right away...
Police: "Too bad... you are still in possession of child porn... good thing that anonymous citizen hacked into your PC, posted the disk contents to the web, kicked off a crowd-sourcing effort to find evidence of wrong-doing, then turned over the results to the police... enjoy your Federal PMITA prison."
Funny how so many of those advocating for a lack of privacy for some are posting as ACs so as to try to ensure their own.
I always enjoy it when liberals view history as only a very narrow window...
Bush Jr went to great pains to erode our constitutional protections, and successfully rendered our privacy moot.
And yet... virtually every-thing Bush can be pointed to/blamed for can be said doubly so about the current occupant of the office who has doubled down on many a policy.
"Nyeh! Bush tortured people!"
Obama feels he has the right to murder american citizens.
"Nyeh! Bush invaded Iraq based on a lie!"
While Bush had legal authority to invade Iraq (and Afghanistan)... Obama did not when he attacked Libya... and we know how well that worked out for Ambassador Christopher Stevens and others in the end.
"Nyeh! Bush signed the Patriot Act!"
Obama signed it's re-authorization into law.
"Nyeh! Bush ran up the debt!"
Obama ran up more debt in four years than Bush did in eight.
Shall we go one?
To my mind that makes Bush's e-mail fair game for public consumption.
Two can play at this game... Obama signed into law the (so called) Affordable Care Act... which amongst other things gives the feds access to your medical records.
Again, by your logic of a president going to "great pains to erode our constitutional protections, and successfully rendered our privacy moot"... when do I get to see a full copy of Obama's medical records? It would be ok if I hacked into someone’s computer in order to determine if he is in fact still smoking or not... right? He has shown little regard for my privacy... why should his be any different.
Lemme guess... everything Obama has done wrong is ok... because Bush did it first?
If evidence of wrongdoing is uncovered, this might be justified.
By that logic... the hack is justified from the beginning because without opening up these emails... we would have no way to know if there is any wrongdoing.
A specific claim was made about 'many people in Congress'... you'll excuse me if I ask for some supporting evidence.
Should I have asked instead for 5 or even just 1? And here I thought I was being nice by asking for only 10, even though that is well under the threshold for what I would call 'many' in a body of 435.
Note neither you nor the parent can support the rather fantastical claim being made.
There are many people in Congress (mostly Tea Party types) that want the USPS to be a relic of the past
Really? Name... 10.
Not ones who say "I don't think the Post Office is run well" or "Lines at the DMV or Post Office are too long... just wait until Obamacare is in full force"... but ones who have actually said "Death to the Post Office!!!" or been similarly explicit.
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I'm a pretty big proponent of the second amendment... and it seems that you, unlike I are failing to read the entire thing.
The first half refers to in part 'militia'... yet the second half refers to 'the people'.
What gives? How can I get to the second half if I fail to read the first?
What's more interesting... is when you read the larger constitution and see how and when the term 'the people' is used... sure doesn't refer to the 'militia' much at all.
Sounds nice in theory... but how do you prove that you underwent such a check without creating a registry or an undue burden upon every single firearm owner?
So tomorrow in order to purchase any firearm... you need to undergo an NICS check... how do you prove that a week, year or decade from now? ... assuming we don't create a registry of each transaction (including make, model and serial #).
Do you get a receipt as proof then all other electronic records are destroyed (as is required by law today)? What happens if god forbid you lose this piece of paper? Can you think of any other piece of paper which you are issued, with no chance to replace, and that failure to have would result in a crime?
More so, how would one prove that firearms they legally purchased privately prior to the implementation of such a requirement? Go down to the local FFL and run a check against themselves in order to get the transaction receipt?
Universal background checks sound nice in theory, but require either a universal registry or risk turning every single legal firearm owner into a potential criminal down the line.
Nor do you need a PC nor cell phone to talk with other people.
I hate to break it to you... but it's called the "Bill of Rights"... not the "Bill of Needs"
*shaking head*
Now you are just confusing terms... Homicide != suicide.
The anti-gunners usually simply limit it to 'deaths'... murders, suicides, acidental discharges, etc. Easier that way... and far less honest.
Reputable citation please.
Reputable citation please.
I'm fully aware of that... a similar thing has happened with airshows over the years (as one example of many).
The difference... is here you and I are talking about accidents vs evil acts... vs the fool above who refers to simply 'endagerment'.
If there is an accident at a shooting range... steps will be taken to try to make such a repeat even more unlikley (or impossible)... while if someone does something evil with a firearm, we see a knee jerk reaction to clamp down on the rights of responsible owners and users.
Interesting how you focus on only one part of the second amendment... or did you forget about the whole second half? You know, the part that says:
Or does 'the people' only refer to the militia and/or government? If so... a couple recent SCOTUS rulings would disagree (see Heller & McDonald).
Clearly spoken by someone who has no understanding of the American system nor it's history.
We are talking about inalienable rights here, rights that are and were seen as granted by god and that the power of the government (or other men) the deprivation people of are limited.
Actually ignorant people speak of what they do not understand.
I am not a religious man and yet I understand natural law, odd that eh? What does that say about you?
So NASCAR should be outlawed then I take it? It is clearly a threat to more than just those who are driving the cars.
Bingo!
I seem to recall that being the cause of the MPAA back in the early days of the VCR... thankfully the courts determined that VCRs while capable of illegal things, there still existed "substantial non-infringing use".
Alas too many people are outright terrified of firearms that they do not recognize the same.
Spoken like someone who has never installed or used Windows 8.
I seem to recall just such information being given when a Win 8 device (pc, tablet, etc) is doing its final configuration after you specify a system name, color, user account and the like.
If you are going to troll... at least be informed.
...for common sense meteor control?
We cannot stand by and let these senseless meteors fall upon our great world... no! We must pass laws to require all meteor's that wish to pass within a parsec of us undergo a background check.
More so, we must declare the surface of the earth a "meteor free zone" and let it be known far and wide... that we do not allow meteor violence here!
I see what you did there... you made specific claims which you opted not to substantiate... care to try again?
When the states are hurting because of their own misguided decisions... they often go to the feds looking for a bailout (either in name or in practice).
Whenever you hear the president talk about how billions and billions of cops, teachers, etc will be laid off if his bill doesn't pass... it is because the feds are subsidizing many a state.
Ergo, if states were more responsible in their own financial matters (and we didn't have an overbearing federal government)... then there would actually be an impact to the federal budget.
Not really... many states have forms of 'use tax'es which kick in when you purchase something out of state and then bringing it into state... and depending on how much tax you paid out of state.
Here in Washington (state for instance)... if one take a drive down to Oregon and purchase a couple thousand dollars worth of electronics sales tax free (because OR has no sales tax)... upon bringing these goods into WA they am required to pay a use tax (more or less the same amount as the WA sales tax) on the goods.
Granted this is what a person is legally required to do... I'd be curious to know how often it happens as I know plenty who go to Portland just to spend a few hundred (or thousand) dollars to avoid the 9.5% sales tax round these parts.
This technically also applies to online sales... regardless of where the seller is located (or has a presence)... but again... not that many go by the law.
A few thousand? Really? Care to provide a source?
Because history does not appear to be on your side: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2003/08/condis_phony_history.html
And lets not talk about Werwolf which was largely a pre-surrender propaganda move and never amounted to anything.
Additionally... unlike Iraq, we didn't exactly have a bunch of foreign fighters flooding into Germany after the surrender just so they could kill Americans.
To say that this country is "inundated in gun violence" is like saying Europe is inundated with Germans.
Yes... there are seemingly random occurrences distributed widelythroughout the region... but also massive concentrations in very specific areas are alas, very common... Chicago being one of those such places.
It is interesting when you look at the actual data of gun violence, the majority comes from a handful of areas and tend to involve pretty common aspects of those involved.
I'm still waiting to hear his definition of "transparency"
It also depends on how the "don't get viruses" comment is made.
A few years back my (then) girlfriend was in need of a new laptop, so we opted to cast a wide net which included a local Apple store and during the sales pitch the 'genius' had said "and these can't get PC viruses".
While technically true (when not running Windows)... I found it a rather deceitful way to try to brag about their security as I could have listed a few recent cases were Macs were in fact hacked... such as them being the first thing taken in most Pwn2Own contests... instead I bit my tongue and bought her a Samsung at Best Buy the next week.
Why limit it to just the police? Any anonymous hacker also should have this power... or so say those who are ok with this hack.
Ahh good, someone else who sees the foolishness of so many here.
It occurs to me that some like the above AC would be defending George Zimmermann had a gun, burglary tools, or a crack pipe been found on the body of Trayvon Martin.
"He looked like he was up to no good... so I shot him... turns out I was justified in the end... look at all of these illegal and dangerous things he had on him" they would hope he would say... and yet, that is not how our system works.
You do not shoot first and *hope* the person you shot is actually up to no good.
You do not do massive document dumps in the *hopes* that something within *may* contain evidence of wrong doing.
If you have evidence, you present it... otherwise these people are advocating for a system where their own PCs and emails are targets for hacking and disclosure... as I'm sure with a bit of looking we could find evidence of wrong-doing.
Police: "What’s this here? She doesn't look 18... in fact, she doesn't even look 8."
AC: "That’s not mine! I don't know how it got there! I... I... I think that was in a virus laden pop-up that I closed right away...
Police: "Too bad... you are still in possession of child porn... good thing that anonymous citizen hacked into your PC, posted the disk contents to the web, kicked off a crowd-sourcing effort to find evidence of wrong-doing, then turned over the results to the police... enjoy your Federal PMITA prison."
Funny how so many of those advocating for a lack of privacy for some are posting as ACs so as to try to ensure their own.
I always enjoy it when liberals view history as only a very narrow window...
And yet... virtually every-thing Bush can be pointed to/blamed for can be said doubly so about the current occupant of the office who has doubled down on many a policy.
Obama feels he has the right to murder american citizens.
While Bush had legal authority to invade Iraq (and Afghanistan)... Obama did not when he attacked Libya... and we know how well that worked out for Ambassador Christopher Stevens and others in the end.
Obama signed it's re-authorization into law.
Obama ran up more debt in four years than Bush did in eight.
Shall we go one?
Two can play at this game... Obama signed into law the (so called) Affordable Care Act... which amongst other things gives the feds access to your medical records.
Again, by your logic of a president going to "great pains to erode our constitutional protections, and successfully rendered our privacy moot"... when do I get to see a full copy of Obama's medical records? It would be ok if I hacked into someone’s computer in order to determine if he is in fact still smoking or not... right? He has shown little regard for my privacy... why should his be any different.
Lemme guess... everything Obama has done wrong is ok... because Bush did it first?
By that logic... the hack is justified from the beginning because without opening up these emails... we would have no way to know if there is any wrongdoing.
No... this is wrong. Period.
A specific claim was made about 'many people in Congress'... you'll excuse me if I ask for some supporting evidence.
Should I have asked instead for 5 or even just 1? And here I thought I was being nice by asking for only 10, even though that is well under the threshold for what I would call 'many' in a body of 435.
Note neither you nor the parent can support the rather fantastical claim being made.
Obviously Congress isn't doing enough as the pension pre-funding is costing them only $5 billion a year.
Care to explain how/where Congress is responsible for the other $11 billion as well?
Maybe we should blame Al Gore... I mean, didn't he invent the internet?
Really? Name... 10.
Not ones who say "I don't think the Post Office is run well" or "Lines at the DMV or Post Office are too long... just wait until Obamacare is in full force"... but ones who have actually said "Death to the Post Office!!!" or been similarly explicit.
Go on... I dare you.