Re:Well, I see the usual anti-union bushwah
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Have you talked to the average CS grad. A lot of them couldn't figure out how to turn the machine on with two hands and a flashlight. I know, I graduated with a few of them.
There will be a huge influx of talented people, yes, but they will be far outnumbered by the hacks, posers and wannabes that already flood the market today. One of the things my current employer said they liked about me was that I was "old school". I'd gotten into the industry because I had a genuine interest, rather than for money. The money is a nice perq...
Also, as another poster replied, unions aren't going to change that. I'm not about to sell myself out to an outmoded idea borrowed from communism just because the job market gets a little tough. There will always be companies out there who recognize what I can provide, as opposed to the many, many companies that just want a butt to warm a seat.
I'll take my chances against a bunch of recent graduates any day.
Unions were much more necessary when labor was essentially a commodity. By dint of hard work and lots of experience (plus a genuine zeal for computers), I've managed to get past being a commodity, and there are still companies that realize that. The job market might get tighter in the future, but I'm willing to take it upon myself to do what it takes. I don't need anyone's help, especially when all they're going to do is funnel my money into the coffers of a political party I probably don't want to support anyway.
Re:Well, I see the usual anti-union bushwah
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>I'm so skilled/important/eL337 that the company >will treat me with respect/pay me what I'm >worth/never fire me.
...or I will go elsewhere. The simple fact of the matter is, I have never _needed_ anyone's help to get a good deal on a job, and those jobs that didn't work out the way I had hoped, well, I took a week and found another one. So, tell me again why a union would be helpful to me?
First off, pay is negotiated before taking the job. If I don't get the pay I want, I don't take the job. Respect is earned, if my employer doesn't give me the respect I feel I deserve, I can find one who will. I've had the good sense (or good luck) to generally find employers who are at least repsectful of me. Being fired is the fault of the employee. Being _laid_off_ normally comes with a severance package that would far exceed the time for me to find a new job. I recent left a place a couple years ago, that, had I stayed a few more months would have given me 7 months severance. However, since the place was being run by total morons, I don't regret my decision to leave.
What does the best union in the world have to offer me that I can't get on my own? Nothing. Now if I were a marginally skilled hack, that would be something different. In this industry I can only see unions helping the incompenent, because given the way the job market has been (tech bubble bursting nonwithstanding), there will always be a large market for intelligent, motiviated and well-rounded workers (i.e., someone who learn what he needs to do the job).
The Trash 80 software usually said "I cannot say that", but for a**h***, it would say "Rectum", which, given its low fidelity, was far more amusing sounding.
I think what Calimus is trying to say that it doesn't make any sense (and I agree with him) to sue companies who only use, but do not produce these magnets, if that is in fact happening.
If company A makes a patented product, and sells it to Company B, is Company B liable for licensing fees? IANAL (NDIWTBO*), but it doesn't make sense for Company B to have to pay.
This stuff sounds only marginally better than speech card add-on a college friend had for his TRS-80 and that was in 1982.
It, too, filtered profanities, but foh-net-ik spelling solved that problem.
That's bugged me for years. In Kubrick's 2001, they could talk to HAL and HAL would respond in a pleasant human sounding voice. Okay, it didn't do a great job singing, but not only do we in the real 2001 not have a computer you can converse with (Eliza notwithstanding), but we can't even do the speech! Of course, Clarke never envisioned marvels like http://www.amiallyourbaseornot.com, so I guess we have other advantages in the real world vs. science fiction.:-P
Sounds like good economics to me. What really counts in a restaurant (other than the building not smelling like sulfur or lacking a roof, etc) is the food. Chili's are nice places to eat in so I would think the new restaurant would be fine.
I dunno, in places of business there seems to be an increasing tendency to bulldoze the entire thing and rebuild from scratch. Especially commercial locations.
In Leesburg, VA, Home Depot built a store about 1/4 mile from Hechinger's. When Hechinger's went under, no doubt hastened by HD's tactics, they left a building which has now been vacant for over two years... and this is in one of the fastest growing counties in the country. How much you wanna bet when the property does get reused, the building is demolished?
Reduce, reuse, recycle. We should try it some time.
Hey, I was floored because I'd only ever seen grainy old B&W photos of the giant steam-powered spider. Even if it was computer-generated, I still feel like I travelled back in time.
Rick
p.s. "Wow that's amazing! Huh...I'm bored."
should be the motto for the 21st century.
Ooooo! I'm so scared. We're going to run of fossil fuels. I know it's true because technology would never advance. There have been no signicant advances in technology in the last 100 years, why would there be any in the future.
Jim, I wonder how many of these pseudo-Luddite enviromentalist posers are actually willing to live without air conditioning? i wonder how many of these folks adopt this I hate all humans" mentality because it goes so well with their black trenchcoats.
Well, mheckaman, we in the U.S. have a junior senator from New York who already tried to inflict a similar system on us once and is no doubt chomping at the bit to do so again. I'd love her to hear your story.
You're absolutely right. By the "needs of government", I meant the needs of those organziations who can better provide _certain_ services than individuals or even the free market. Defense is one. Ensuring an adequate basic infrastructure is another. Maintaining law and order (as opposed to micromanaging our lives) is another.
However, the government's reach, even in the U.S., routinely far exceeds what it can do most effectively.
You obviously have some kind of really twisted hatred of people, and spend way too much time reading wacko environmentalist propoganda. I just hope someone like you never gets any kind of power. We don't need another Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot.
As far as I'm concerned, this planet ain't worth a plugged nickel without people to benefit from it, and while I certainly don't condone the actions of those who destroy the environment, and am certainly not totally blameless myself by virtue of being a U.S. citizen, I'm also not some Earth-worshipping hippie who considers humanity a cancer on the planet. The fact that a human being is alive is reason enough for him or her to exist.
p.s. I'm not implying all environmentalists are wackos, but GemFire, you have certainly bought into their logic-free rhetoric.
Why do so many environmentalists hate people so much? I guess people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc, had the right idea then. they got rid of lots of people.
Who's whining? Did you hear me complaining about turning down well over 6 figures (U.S.) a year because I don't want to consult? Furthermore, if my employer has a problem with the hours I want to work, he can either not hire me or pay me less! Why should it bother anyone who works with me or you, for that matter. That's between me and him, so mind your own business. Besides, I did the same thing when I was single. I am both productive enough and well-rounded enough to not need to or want to spend my life perfecting a phosphor tan for 80 hours a week. You or any other single person don't subsidize me for anything since I almost certainly pay more taxes than you anyway. Anyone who hires me knows my requirements up front, and still it only took me a week to find my current job.
Entitlement indeed! Just because I am not some sorry tech industry loser who is enslaved to some dead-end job for all hours of the evenings and weekend is not your concern, unless of course you are jealous. There's more to life than work, and there are more useful things to be done than sit around and turn out code (even if few are more fun), so quit feeling sorry for yourself and make better use of your own time. I do.
And lastly, my children are not brats. Their taxes will be paying for your sorry butt when you're collecting Social Security.
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Have you talked to the average CS grad. A lot of them couldn't figure out how to turn the machine on with two hands and a flashlight. I know, I graduated with a few of them.
There will be a huge influx of talented people, yes, but they will be far outnumbered by the hacks, posers and wannabes that already flood the market today. One of the things my current employer said they liked about me was that I was "old school". I'd gotten into the industry because I had a genuine interest, rather than for money. The money is a nice perq...
Also, as another poster replied, unions aren't going to change that. I'm not about to sell myself out to an outmoded idea borrowed from communism just because the job market gets a little tough. There will always be companies out there who recognize what I can provide, as opposed to the many, many companies that just want a butt to warm a seat.
I'll take my chances against a bunch of recent graduates any day.
Unions were much more necessary when labor was essentially a commodity. By dint of hard work and lots of experience (plus a genuine zeal for computers), I've managed to get past being a commodity, and there are still companies that realize that. The job market might get tighter in the future, but I'm willing to take it upon myself to do what it takes. I don't need anyone's help, especially when all they're going to do is funnel my money into the coffers of a political party I probably don't want to support anyway.
>I'm so skilled/important/eL337 that the company >will treat me with respect/pay me what I'm >worth/never fire me.
...or I will go elsewhere. The simple fact of the matter is, I have never _needed_ anyone's help to get a good deal on a job, and those jobs that didn't work out the way I had hoped, well, I took a week and found another one. So, tell me again why a union would be helpful to me?
First off, pay is negotiated before taking the job. If I don't get the pay I want, I don't take the job. Respect is earned, if my employer doesn't give me the respect I feel I deserve, I can find one who will. I've had the good sense (or good luck) to generally find employers who are at least repsectful of me. Being fired is the fault of the employee. Being _laid_off_ normally comes with a severance package that would far exceed the time for me to find a new job. I recent left a place a couple years ago, that, had I stayed a few more months would have given me 7 months severance. However, since the place was being run by total morons, I don't regret my decision to leave.
What does the best union in the world have to offer me that I can't get on my own? Nothing. Now if I were a marginally skilled hack, that would be something different. In this industry I can only see unions helping the incompenent, because given the way the job market has been (tech bubble bursting nonwithstanding), there will always be a large market for intelligent, motiviated and well-rounded workers (i.e., someone who learn what he needs to do the job).
Congratulations! You just figured out how the stock market works.
The Trash 80 software usually said "I cannot say that", but for a**h***, it would say "Rectum", which, given its low fidelity, was far more amusing sounding.
I think what Calimus is trying to say that it doesn't make any sense (and I agree with him) to sue companies who only use, but do not produce these magnets, if that is in fact happening.
If company A makes a patented product, and sells it to Company B, is Company B liable for licensing fees? IANAL (NDIWTBO*), but it doesn't make sense for Company B to have to pay.
*Nor Do I Wish To Be One
This stuff sounds only marginally better than speech card add-on a college friend had for his TRS-80 and that was in 1982.
:-P
It, too, filtered profanities, but foh-net-ik spelling solved that problem.
That's bugged me for years. In Kubrick's 2001, they could talk to HAL and HAL would respond in a pleasant human sounding voice. Okay, it didn't do a great job singing, but not only do we in the real 2001 not have a computer you can converse with (Eliza notwithstanding), but we can't even do the speech! Of course, Clarke never envisioned marvels like http://www.amiallyourbaseornot.com, so I guess we have other advantages in the real world vs. science fiction.
Actually, I don't eat out too much, but if I wanted Mexican, I would go to Rio Grande. Hey, they serve goat!
Rick
Questionable?
Sounds like good economics to me. What really counts in a restaurant (other than the building not smelling like sulfur or lacking a roof, etc) is the food. Chili's are nice places to eat in so I would think the new restaurant would be fine.
Rick
To all you folks who modded me up to 5 and back down to 0. It's been a while since my karma was that far under 50. Getting it back up will be fun.
I dunno, in places of business there seems to be an increasing tendency to bulldoze the entire thing and rebuild from scratch. Especially commercial locations.
In Leesburg, VA, Home Depot built a store about 1/4 mile from Hechinger's. When Hechinger's went under, no doubt hastened by HD's tactics, they left a building which has now been vacant for over two years... and this is in one of the fastest growing counties in the country. How much you wanna bet when the property does get reused, the building is demolished?
Reduce, reuse, recycle. We should try it some time.
Rick
Hey, I was floored because I'd only ever seen grainy old B&W photos of the giant steam-powered spider. Even if it was computer-generated, I still feel like I travelled back in time.
Rick
p.s. "Wow that's amazing! Huh...I'm bored."
should be the motto for the 21st century.
Yeah. It's not possible he just made a typo. That's almost as stupid as leaving the subject out of a sentence... something I'm sure _you'd_ never do.
It could be worse. I had to follow up my own post because I replied to the wrong person!
Ooooo! I'm so scared. We're going to run of fossil fuels. I know it's true because technology would never advance. There have been no signicant advances in technology in the last 100 years, why would there be any in the future.
Repent! The end is near.
Jim, I wonder how many of these pseudo-Luddite enviromentalist posers are actually willing to live without air conditioning? i wonder how many of these folks adopt this I hate all humans" mentality because it goes so well with their black trenchcoats.
I'm with you, dude. U.S.A, U.S.A.!
Well, mheckaman, we in the U.S. have a junior senator from New York who already tried to inflict a similar system on us once and is no doubt chomping at the bit to do so again. I'd love her to hear your story.
Rick
I was making a point that the post I was responding to did the same thing. I then proceeded to state what I believe the issues really are.
You're absolutely right. By the "needs of government", I meant the needs of those organziations who can better provide _certain_ services than individuals or even the free market. Defense is one. Ensuring an adequate basic infrastructure is another. Maintaining law and order (as opposed to micromanaging our lives) is another.
However, the government's reach, even in the U.S., routinely far exceeds what it can do most effectively.
So are Nevada's water problems the fault of people in general or because some people are stupid enough to grow a lawn in the desert?
To paraphrase Sam Kinison: Move to where the water is!
Rick
Not enough oxygen? Where do you live, Mars?
You obviously have some kind of really twisted hatred of people, and spend way too much time reading wacko environmentalist propoganda. I just hope someone like you never gets any kind of power. We don't need another Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot.
As far as I'm concerned, this planet ain't worth a plugged nickel without people to benefit from it, and while I certainly don't condone the actions of those who destroy the environment, and am certainly not totally blameless myself by virtue of being a U.S. citizen, I'm also not some Earth-worshipping hippie who considers humanity a cancer on the planet. The fact that a human being is alive is reason enough for him or her to exist.
p.s. I'm not implying all environmentalists are wackos, but GemFire, you have certainly bought into their logic-free rhetoric.
Why do so many environmentalists hate people so much? I guess people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc, had the right idea then. they got rid of lots of people.
Who's whining? Did you hear me complaining about turning down well over 6 figures (U.S.) a year because I don't want to consult? Furthermore, if my employer has a problem with the hours I want to work, he can either not hire me or pay me less! Why should it bother anyone who works with me or you, for that matter. That's between me and him, so mind your own business. Besides, I did the same thing when I was single. I am both productive enough and well-rounded enough to not need to or want to spend my life perfecting a phosphor tan for 80 hours a week. You or any other single person don't subsidize me for anything since I almost certainly pay more taxes than you anyway. Anyone who hires me knows my requirements up front, and still it only took me a week to find my current job.
Entitlement indeed! Just because I am not some sorry tech industry loser who is enslaved to some dead-end job for all hours of the evenings and weekend is not your concern, unless of course you are jealous. There's more to life than work, and there are more useful things to be done than sit around and turn out code (even if few are more fun), so quit feeling sorry for yourself and make better use of your own time. I do.
And lastly, my children are not brats. Their taxes will be paying for your sorry butt when you're collecting Social Security.
Whoops! Sorry Targetman, due to the filter I thought you were replying to me! Many apoloogies and just consider the reply to your post's parent.
Too late, I'm 36. See, finding a good job is a lot easier when you have a clue and brain. Try it sometime.
My wife understands that _very_ well. But my kids have a hard time with that concept. :)
Rick