I said "nonsense and corruption that goes on". I never said "full of nonsense" and I never said the organization as a whole is corrupt.
If I had said what you said I said, then I wouldn't make any sense, but I didn't. And I had to read that sentence a few times to make sure it was right.
The U.S. government has corruption and nonsense that is going on within, no one would deny that, but I still believe in the principles upon which it was founded... except in this case I don't believe there is supernatural guidance at work, so it's quite possible that the U.S. government will completely divorce itself from its founding principles and Constitution. In fact, I believe it's travelled a long way down that path.
Does that mean my faith is more in President Obama and Congress, etc, than in the U.S. Constitution and the principle of God-given rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? That sounds ridiculous, but it matches the logic you seem to be imposing on me.
Frankly, if it weren't for my lowercase 'f' faith that this country can return to its founding principles and reorganize itself the way it was intended to work, I would take one look at it and head for, I dunno, Sweden or Costa Rica or Mars or something.
Similarly, I believe the Church is in a crisis and has been for some 50 years, but it's survived crises before. The Arian heresy claimed a vast majority of bishops and had it persisted, the Church would have ended up much different (and interestingly, much more like Islam) if it had. The Protestant revolution was all about corruption in the Church, but the reforms brought about by the Council of Trent as a response to that corruption heralded one of the best ages for the Church.
If I took at a look at the Catholic Church, especially in the West at this point in time, especially with the narrow view that most people have (Catholic and non-Catholic alike), filtered by the media, and their own ignorance or indifference, then I would think it wasn't particularly impressive, no different than most of the other 40,000 Christian denominations, except of course in size. But there's more to it than that. I've read history, I've read Church doctrine, I've read what its supporters have to say, I've read what its detractors have to say. I've played God's advocate and I've played Devil's advocate. I've debated with Protestants, atheists, people of other religion and with other Catholics. You're not going to successfully pigeonhole me as an ignorant zombie or a wild-eyed zealot, although you can try if you want to. It's good practice.
To me loyalty to God is the same as loyalty to the Church that He established, and that He specifically promised would be guided and protected, because if one of the very apostles hand-picked by Christ himself wouldn't make the grade, then I know He was smart enough to know that people alone are too flawed to keep the whole operation afloat and on the rails.
And perhaps even more important, I don't expect you to agree with me or even understand. I appreciate it if you want to try, and I appreciate it if you want me to defend what I believe, and I even appreciate it if you don't care. What I don't appreciate is if anyone wants to write me off as idiotic or brainwashed or any of the other stereotypes tossed around freely in places like/. (and I'm not trying to say you specifically are doing this).
If anyone wants to do that, I expect him to earn it by challenging me to defend myself in debate. If not, then we can go our separate ways and keep our opinions to ourselves.
But my belief is not blind. It's not a matter of ignoring the corruption, which does exist, because of blind faith, but through reading history, studying the teachings, finding them to be imminently logical, stemming from a few givens that must be taken on faith, and constantly playing Devil's advocate with myself.
You see, the problem with the Catholic Church is that most of her enemies simply are simply ignorant of its history and teachings. The other problem with the Catholic Church is that most of her _members_ are simply ignorant of history and teachings. History is full of converts who set out to really study Scripture and history to make a detailed and well-documented case against the Church and end up changing their minds. Although I'm not a convert, this more or less happened to me. The more I learned, the more strongly I felt... and popular wisdom doesn't give you any more accurate version of the real history of the Church than Senator Stevens gives you a description of how the Internet works.
I'm not about to start an essay on apologetics here, unless someone really wants me to, but this is not a case of being convinced of something because it's all I know.
Yes, you are correct. my sentence was not intended to imply causality.
I'm trying to think through this to decide if my communication failed, or you're reading it wrong. Please bear with me.
How about this:
It's like saying, as Linux user, I support free software. It doesn't mean I support free software because I'm a Linux user. It means that supporting free software is an implied trait of someone who uses Linux.
Population density. I'm guessing those 4 NJ counties are very densely populated. Most of Virginia isn't, and in fact the Diocese of Arlington, which covers Virginia from Fredericksburg north (i.e., "NoVa") was only created about 35 years ago. I understand they are talking about splitting the Richmond Diocese in two because the Tidewater area is growing so much.
How exactly was crashing the website going to have any effect on the event in meatspace?
The same way squatting in a park and pooping on the sidewalk for several months is going to break the corporatocratic ruling class of the U.S., I guess.
You'd be surprised. And I'm saying that as a loyal Catholic.
As a loyal Catholic, I believe the Holy Spirit guides the Church, otherwise I wouldn't bet on it lasting 2000 days leave alone 2000 years. Although I support Pope Benedict and think he's done a lot of good, I believe the Church survives despite its leadership, not because of it... at least these days. And like all Catholics who have not turned away from the Church, there's a reason I remain loyal to Church despite all the nonsense and corruption that goes on, because it's a loyalty to Someone much more important than the people running it.
Having said that though, not giving Anonymous the satisfaction is absolutely the best thing to do.
Not to mention the people who made, which includes ESR.
I have no problem with him speaking from that point of view because of his involvement in the 'net, his accomplishments in the field of technology and the fact that he generally knows what the hell he's talking about, unlike too many random/. participants, possibly including me.
The Popes solved that problem by holding the title until they die.
However, that is the worst thing to do for a U.S. politician and I'm not so sure about the Supreme Court either. I think a 10-year term for them would have made more sense.
GOG.com provides such good value, I have even repurchased games from them that I already own, because I know they have been properly updated, configured or bundled with DOSBox so that they run on modern Windows versions (and often Linux too) with absolutely zero hassle.
Honestly, Microsoft used to take a different view against patents too. They did not used to play the patent strongarming game back in day... at least until patents started to used against them.
And trust me, I'm no MS apologist. I have a hard time describing the company without using the word "evil". They weren't patent bullies back in the 90s, but it was one of the few nasty, anti-competitive things they _weren't_ doing back then.
The reality is that if you don't engage in the patent arms escalation race, you'll be destroyed. Unlike the game "Thermonuclear War", with this game, the best way to lose is not to play.
Everything necessary to make Flash a viable option going forward from 2012 would essentially involve it become a completely open product, and that will simply never happen. Just like Microsoft would never release the source to Windows 3, even though it's still used in the third world, Adobe would rather see all the Flash content disappear down a hole. That's what using closed software always risks.
Consider yourself lucky. I see Flash crash fairly often, even on Windows. Plus, its performance is atrocious.
Yes, when it works well and is used properly, it's fine, but there are so many ways that it's just annoying, marginal or plain lame to make me (and many, many others) wish it would just die.
Audio was always a pain for me until about a year ago or so. Since Ubuntu 11.04 and more recently Linux Mint, I haven't had any issues. But for years before, every new release brought new broken audio fun. Ditto with wireless.
Having choices is great, but only when at least one of those choices is good. I'm with you on the audio thing, but it doesn't stop me from wanting to use Linux.
My 2 younger kids used to play the Webkinz games a couple years ago and I don't recall them ever having problems on Firefox. Must be a new development, I guess.
They have moved past the games, but they still like the stuffed animals.
Of course, I can't imagine Hulu will last in its current form much longer. The media companies don't like it when consumers can get what they want in a reasonable way (i.e., a variety of TV shows with much less advertising then regular broadcast/cable/satellite TV).
This is so funny. I read the commentary on this topic on Hacker News this morning and it was all about how Adobe is clueless, how Flash needs to die and what Google's motives are the whole Chrome thing and the Pepper dealie. I figured I'd see more of the same here, but the whole discussion has veered off, once again, into beating a dead gnu.
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I said "nonsense and corruption that goes on". I never said "full of nonsense" and I never said the organization as a whole is corrupt.
If I had said what you said I said, then I wouldn't make any sense, but I didn't. And I had to read that sentence a few times to make sure it was right.
The U.S. government has corruption and nonsense that is going on within, no one would deny that, but I still believe in the principles upon which it was founded... except in this case I don't believe there is supernatural guidance at work, so it's quite possible that the U.S. government will completely divorce itself from its founding principles and Constitution. In fact, I believe it's travelled a long way down that path.
Does that mean my faith is more in President Obama and Congress, etc, than in the U.S. Constitution and the principle of God-given rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? That sounds ridiculous, but it matches the logic you seem to be imposing on me.
Frankly, if it weren't for my lowercase 'f' faith that this country can return to its founding principles and reorganize itself the way it was intended to work, I would take one look at it and head for, I dunno, Sweden or Costa Rica or Mars or something.
Similarly, I believe the Church is in a crisis and has been for some 50 years, but it's survived crises before. The Arian heresy claimed a vast majority of bishops and had it persisted, the Church would have ended up much different (and interestingly, much more like Islam) if it had. The Protestant revolution was all about corruption in the Church, but the reforms brought about by the Council of Trent as a response to that corruption heralded one of the best ages for the Church.
If I took at a look at the Catholic Church, especially in the West at this point in time, especially with the narrow view that most people have (Catholic and non-Catholic alike), filtered by the media, and their own ignorance or indifference, then I would think it wasn't particularly impressive, no different than most of the other 40,000 Christian denominations, except of course in size. But there's more to it than that. I've read history, I've read Church doctrine, I've read what its supporters have to say, I've read what its detractors have to say. I've played God's advocate and I've played Devil's advocate. I've debated with Protestants, atheists, people of other religion and with other Catholics. You're not going to successfully pigeonhole me as an ignorant zombie or a wild-eyed zealot, although you can try if you want to. It's good practice.
To me loyalty to God is the same as loyalty to the Church that He established, and that He specifically promised would be guided and protected, because if one of the very apostles hand-picked by Christ himself wouldn't make the grade, then I know He was smart enough to know that people alone are too flawed to keep the whole operation afloat and on the rails.
And perhaps even more important, I don't expect you to agree with me or even understand. I appreciate it if you want to try, and I appreciate it if you want me to defend what I believe, and I even appreciate it if you don't care. What I don't appreciate is if anyone wants to write me off as idiotic or brainwashed or any of the other stereotypes tossed around freely in places like /. (and I'm not trying to say you specifically are doing this).
If anyone wants to do that, I expect him to earn it by challenging me to defend myself in debate. If not, then we can go our separate ways and keep our opinions to ourselves.
But my belief is not blind. It's not a matter of ignoring the corruption, which does exist, because of blind faith, but through reading history, studying the teachings, finding them to be imminently logical, stemming from a few givens that must be taken on faith, and constantly playing Devil's advocate with myself.
You see, the problem with the Catholic Church is that most of her enemies simply are simply ignorant of its history and teachings. The other problem with the Catholic Church is that most of her _members_ are simply ignorant of history and teachings. History is full of converts who set out to really study Scripture and history to make a detailed and well-documented case against the Church and end up changing their minds. Although I'm not a convert, this more or less happened to me. The more I learned, the more strongly I felt... and popular wisdom doesn't give you any more accurate version of the real history of the Church than Senator Stevens gives you a description of how the Internet works.
I'm not about to start an essay on apologetics here, unless someone really wants me to, but this is not a case of being convinced of something because it's all I know.
Perhaps, but no other "viable systems model" has accomplished the kind of breadth and duration the Church has. Not even close.
Yes, you are correct. my sentence was not intended to imply causality.
I'm trying to think through this to decide if my communication failed, or you're reading it wrong. Please bear with me.
How about this:
It's like saying, as Linux user, I support free software. It doesn't mean I support free software because I'm a Linux user. It means that supporting free software is an implied trait of someone who uses Linux.
Because the vast majority of them aren't corrupt. especially if you look at history.
Ah, now that's tolerance. Do you feel the same way about school teachers, who abuse children at a higher rate? Or are you just a bigot?
Population density. I'm guessing those 4 NJ counties are very densely populated. Most of Virginia isn't, and in fact the Diocese of Arlington, which covers Virginia from Fredericksburg north (i.e., "NoVa") was only created about 35 years ago. I understand they are talking about splitting the Richmond Diocese in two because the Tidewater area is growing so much.
If you've got a rock to throw, big windows provide the most tempting target. I think it's no more complicated than that.
An Anonymous DDOS is just an infantile temper tantrum writ large and the Church is an easy target.
How exactly was crashing the website going to have any effect on the event in meatspace?
The same way squatting in a park and pooping on the sidewalk for several months is going to break the corporatocratic ruling class of the U.S., I guess.
How do you know they are real?! I think they're all pseudonyms, except perhaps that renowned airplane pilot and hero, Ted Striker.
This is correct, except more and more it seems that the "core of geniuses" part is becoming optional.
Actually a diocese is closer to the size of a state (as in, one of the United States). There are two dioceses in Virginia, for instance.
You'd be surprised. And I'm saying that as a loyal Catholic.
As a loyal Catholic, I believe the Holy Spirit guides the Church, otherwise I wouldn't bet on it lasting 2000 days leave alone 2000 years. Although I support Pope Benedict and think he's done a lot of good, I believe the Church survives despite its leadership, not because of it... at least these days. And like all Catholics who have not turned away from the Church, there's a reason I remain loyal to Church despite all the nonsense and corruption that goes on, because it's a loyalty to Someone much more important than the people running it.
Having said that though, not giving Anonymous the satisfaction is absolutely the best thing to do.
Not to mention the people who made , which includes ESR.
I have no problem with him speaking from that point of view because of his involvement in the 'net, his accomplishments in the field of technology and the fact that he generally knows what the hell he's talking about, unlike too many random /. participants, possibly including me.
The Popes solved that problem by holding the title until they die.
However, that is the worst thing to do for a U.S. politician and I'm not so sure about the Supreme Court either. I think a 10-year term for them would have made more sense.
GOG.com provides such good value, I have even repurchased games from them that I already own, because I know they have been properly updated, configured or bundled with DOSBox so that they run on modern Windows versions (and often Linux too) with absolutely zero hassle.
How does light allow us to observe something like this?
Spectography!
Honestly, Microsoft used to take a different view against patents too. They did not used to play the patent strongarming game back in day... at least until patents started to used against them.
And trust me, I'm no MS apologist. I have a hard time describing the company without using the word "evil". They weren't patent bullies back in the 90s, but it was one of the few nasty, anti-competitive things they _weren't_ doing back then.
The reality is that if you don't engage in the patent arms escalation race, you'll be destroyed. Unlike the game "Thermonuclear War", with this game, the best way to lose is not to play.
Everything necessary to make Flash a viable option going forward from 2012 would essentially involve it become a completely open product, and that will simply never happen. Just like Microsoft would never release the source to Windows 3, even though it's still used in the third world, Adobe would rather see all the Flash content disappear down a hole. That's what using closed software always risks.
Good old Oracle. They are always on the cutting edge... of 10 years ago.
Consider yourself lucky. I see Flash crash fairly often, even on Windows. Plus, its performance is atrocious.
Yes, when it works well and is used properly, it's fine, but there are so many ways that it's just annoying, marginal or plain lame to make me (and many, many others) wish it would just die.
Audio was always a pain for me until about a year ago or so. Since Ubuntu 11.04 and more recently Linux Mint, I haven't had any issues. But for years before, every new release brought new broken audio fun. Ditto with wireless.
Having choices is great, but only when at least one of those choices is good. I'm with you on the audio thing, but it doesn't stop me from wanting to use Linux.
My 2 younger kids used to play the Webkinz games a couple years ago and I don't recall them ever having problems on Firefox. Must be a new development, I guess.
They have moved past the games, but they still like the stuffed animals.
Hulu. It is for me anyway.
Of course, I can't imagine Hulu will last in its current form much longer. The media companies don't like it when consumers can get what they want in a reasonable way (i.e., a variety of TV shows with much less advertising then regular broadcast/cable/satellite TV).
This is so funny. I read the commentary on this topic on Hacker News this morning and it was all about how Adobe is clueless, how Flash needs to die and what Google's motives are the whole Chrome thing and the Pepper dealie. I figured I'd see more of the same here, but the whole discussion has veered off, once again, into beating a dead gnu.
Not that it isn't entertaining. :-)