I don't know about any original university project. When I worked for deja, I was told that it was started in the Founder's house with a few friends. Did they restore old usenet archives? possibly.
The web didn't really exist when dejanews got started in 1991 or 1992
they were founded in 1995 as dejanews.com, changed their name in may 1999 to deja.com when they became a sales portal. they were never sold and deja didn't "buy" dejanews. so you're off on the dates, but I agree with you on the slide of the site. However, it's awfully hard to make any money as a usenet server.
I'm sure they wouldn't mind if you took all their content (ads icluded), but if you strip their ads, then you're stripping their money. and the ads are the only way they have to make money.
I said a gig of text postings a day. They get about 70G (or they used to) including binaries every day. The filters on one of the servers drop that down to about a GIG. I used to work there. I know.
It was possible to search through posts as far back as 1984.
1984?? They had archives back to april 1995.
Then it was bought by some money hungry dotcom wannabe marketing assholes, who proceeded to gut all the best parts of the site.
It has never been sold. The founder still works there.
First they eliminated all the oldest posts, just to focus on more recent content.
They dropped the older servers that cost the most to support until they could come up with a better way to serve that content
Read some of the doom and gloom sites for details on the withdrawn IPO and laying off 20% or more of their workforce.
wow, nice sites there, but they say deja layed off 10% or it's workforce. And my personal connections tell me much of it was in marketing in their new york office. Looks like this AC 1) has no facts, 2) is spreading FUD, and 3) is an ass
they don't distribute any posts except thos made by my-deja users. The "altered" posts?? Look at them in the "original usenet format". I'm betting you won't see any links there. the add the links when they render the pages. Man, if only you know a whit about running a usenet server and how much traffic they get.
their lawyers would certainly go after you. They did go after a little austrailian company that was selling a news reader that used the deja archives in just the manner you suggest.
ok, they aren't changing your post, because the software is only going to put the links in when the post is rendered. can you imagine going through billions of posts and inserting links? Do you have any idea how much news they accept each day? Or how much crap they turn away?
And you say the people not using Deja won't konw this is happening? you're right. because they won't see a thing. for two reasons. 1) Deja isn't modifying the contents of the post, they're just changing the way it's displayed, and 2) they don't redistribute anything except posts made by my-deja users.
As for dumping the archives? I think it sucks too, but they were having to support more than 100 servers to hold all that news. the old news was on of course the older machines that tended to break, and all those machines were being supported for the benefit of less than 5% of the searches being performed, 0% of people who didn't use power-search (as it's the only search on their site that goes all the way back) and 0% of the people who read day to day news. Does it suck that 4 years is off the net until they can come up with a better way to support it? Yes. Do I blame them? No. You don't like it? offer to pay for co-locate space for those 80+ servers that hold those 4 years of news and maybe they'll listen.
You want to write them off? Your choice. But find another usenet search engine out there that works half as well.
Charles Bryan in december 1995 hit 321 in a head down dive over Eloy, AZ. If you stay head down and don't have a really baggy jumpsuit on, 300+ is not impossible. Feel free to check skydiving resources. The Skydive Archive is a good start.
probably faster than that. and it all depends on how much drag is presented by that human body. I know of people who have reached 300+mph jumping from 13000 feet. I myself have reached speeds in excess of 200 mph from 13000 feet (all altitudes msl).
Capt. Joseph Kittenger on (forget the date) jumped from 102,800 feet. They were worried about the spin so they used a drogue chute to help keep him stable.
From what I konw about the two, the linux lvm is more modular in that it talks to the kernel's virtual filesystem layer. That's better. The IBM LVM is more mature, more functional and from my experience, having used both, easier to use.
IBM is talking about taking their LVM and making it more modular. This is good progress. Take a company that had a good product. They like this product, but there is a Linux model that has some things they like. What do they do? They integrate those features into their product and release the source code.
I think what we are going to end up with here is the best of both worlds.
when I spoke to Heinz this january at LinuxWorld, and I mentiond that since IBM had just announced the JFS project, that hopefully in the not too distant future they would do the same with their lvm, he said he would like to see that.
as far as duplication of effort, I guess you're right, I mean let's only develop one journaling file system also. Which is it going to be? Choices are good.
It even replicates the exact functionality of LVM for AIX and HPUX, from the opengroup.
That's interesting since from my experience the aix & hpux lvms differ greatly. not in architecture, but in the usability and functionality. Be careful how you use the word "exact". Also from my experience with the linux LVM, it is far from being ready for prime-time.
the linux lvm project has a pretty good lvm, but I really like the aix lvm. The most impressive feature I like is the ability to move an active swap space to a different disk. Resizing the filesystem is as much a function of the jfs as it is the lvm. I'm betting they'll finish the lvm and jfs at about the same time.
there is no monthly fee. The server, in fact, is shipped with the product.
My plan at the house is to run a server all the time for futzing around with my housemates, and start another one on a different box if I want to play single player.
at the rate most data compresses, and unless you have this 75G drive completely full, odds are it would all fit on one DLT7000 cartridge. If not, then get yourself a DLT changer. Or, a DDS3 DAT changer. I've got a 6-tape DDS3 changer over here that would back up a couple of those 75G drives with no compression.
Yes, however, I do agree that there needs to be more advancement in backup solutions. I'd love to see the 100G tape, or the 1T tape. (wishful thinking... I know)
before you criticize a news server (I'm not saying their servers don't suck) for the size of it's spool, think about how much comes in on a daily basis. I run a server that gets a full feed, and I'm up to about 40GB daily (yes, I said G as in Giga). Most of those are misplaced binaries and spam that gets dropped through NoCems, cleanfeed, or spamhippo.
Should they have enough spool to handle more articles? Probably, but as we've seen here, usenet is apparently at the bottom of their list.
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- The web didn't really exist when dejanews got started in 1991 or 1992
they were founded in 1995 as dejanews.com, changed their name in may 1999 to deja.com when they became a sales portal. they were never sold and deja didn't "buy" dejanews. so you're off on the dates, but I agree with you on the slide of the site. However, it's awfully hard to make any money as a usenet server.I'm sure they wouldn't mind if you took all their content (ads icluded), but if you strip their ads, then you're stripping their money. and the ads are the only way they have to make money.
I said a gig of text postings a day. They get about 70G (or they used to) including binaries every day. The filters on one of the servers drop that down to about a GIG. I used to work there. I know.
- It was possible to search through posts as far back as 1984.
1984?? They had archives back to april 1995.- Then it was bought by some money hungry dotcom wannabe marketing assholes, who proceeded to gut all the best parts of the site.
It has never been sold. The founder still works there.- First they eliminated all the oldest posts, just to focus on more recent content.
They dropped the older servers that cost the most to support until they could come up with a better way to serve that content- Read some of the doom and gloom sites for details on the withdrawn IPO and laying off 20% or more of their workforce.
wow, nice sites there, but they say deja layed off 10% or it's workforce. And my personal connections tell me much of it was in marketing in their new york office. Looks like this AC 1) has no facts, 2) is spreading FUD, and 3) is an assthey don't distribute any posts except thos made by my-deja users. The "altered" posts?? Look at them in the "original usenet format". I'm betting you won't see any links there. the add the links when they render the pages. Man, if only you know a whit about running a usenet server and how much traffic they get.
trashed? no, they're sitting in storage. They litarally have all those machines stased in a storage room in their offices.
their lawyers would certainly go after you. They did go after a little austrailian company that was selling a news reader that used the deja archives in just the manner you suggest.
I know that they get about a gig of text postings every day so you could pack less than a month on a dvd-rom.
ok, they aren't changing your post, because the software is only going to put the links in when the post is rendered. can you imagine going through billions of posts and inserting links?
Do you have any idea how much news they accept each day? Or how much crap they turn away?
And you say the people not using Deja won't konw this is happening? you're right. because they won't see a thing. for two reasons. 1) Deja isn't modifying the contents of the post, they're just changing the way it's displayed, and 2) they don't redistribute anything except posts made by my-deja users.
As for dumping the archives? I think it sucks too, but they were having to support more than 100 servers to hold all that news. the old news was on of course the older machines that tended to break, and all those machines were being supported for the benefit of less than 5% of the searches being performed, 0% of people who didn't use power-search (as it's the only search on their site that goes all the way back) and 0% of the people who read day to day news. Does it suck that 4 years is off the net until they can come up with a better way to support it? Yes. Do I blame them? No. You don't like it? offer to pay for co-locate space for those 80+ servers that hold those 4 years of news and maybe they'll listen.
You want to write them off? Your choice. But find another usenet search engine out there that works half as well.
yes yes... bad form replying to my own post and all... but the specific URL you should go look at is http://www.afn.org/skydive/faq/faq.ht ml#howfast
Charles Bryan in december 1995 hit 321 in a head down dive over Eloy, AZ. If you stay head down and don't have a really baggy jumpsuit on, 300+ is not impossible. Feel free to check skydiving resources. The Skydive Archive is a good start.
probably faster than that. and it all depends on how much drag is presented by that human body.
I know of people who have reached 300+mph jumping from 13000 feet. I myself have reached speeds in excess of 200 mph from 13000 feet (all altitudes msl).
Capt. Joseph Kittenger on (forget the date) jumped from 102,800 feet. They were worried about the spin so they used a drogue chute to help keep him stable.
From what I konw about the two, the linux lvm is more modular in that it talks to the kernel's virtual filesystem layer. That's better. The IBM LVM is more mature, more functional and from my experience, having used both, easier to use.
IBM is talking about taking their LVM and making it more modular. This is good progress. Take a company that had a good product. They like this product, but there is a Linux model that has some things they like. What do they do? They integrate those features into their product and release the source code.
I think what we are going to end up with here is the best of both worlds.
when I spoke to Heinz this january at LinuxWorld, and I mentiond that since IBM had just announced the JFS project, that hopefully in the not too distant future they would do the same with their lvm, he said he would like to see that.
as far as duplication of effort, I guess you're right, I mean let's only develop one journaling file system also. Which is it going to be? Choices are good.
you don't like where it's going??
Use the source luke!
It even replicates the exact functionality of LVM for AIX and HPUX, from the opengroup.
That's interesting since from my experience the aix & hpux lvms differ greatly. not in architecture, but in the usability and functionality. Be careful how you use the word "exact". Also from my experience with the linux LVM, it is far from being ready for prime-time.
yes but veritas is free??? didn't think so.
the linux lvm project has a pretty good lvm, but I really like the aix lvm. The most impressive feature I like is the ability to move an active swap space to a different disk. Resizing the filesystem is as much a function of the jfs as it is the lvm. I'm betting they'll finish the lvm and jfs at about the same time.
there is no monthly fee. The server, in fact, is shipped with the product.
My plan at the house is to run a server all the time for futzing around with my housemates, and start another one on a different box if I want to play single player.
I submitted this story yesterday noonish, but it was rejected. I guess Terminus isn't geek news. Oh, wait... maybe it is!
Here is the STS-101 Photo Archive
Included are some photos of the new cockpit.
actually sts-101 is the 98th Shuttle mission.
You can check the sts-101 mission page to check my facts it you'd like.
But, yes this still means they are about 1/4 of the way through their lifespan.
at the rate most data compresses, and unless you have this 75G drive completely full, odds are it would all fit on one DLT7000 cartridge. If not, then get yourself a DLT changer. Or, a DDS3 DAT changer. I've got a 6-tape DDS3 changer over here that would back up a couple of those 75G drives with no compression.
Yes, however, I do agree that there needs to be more advancement in backup solutions. I'd love to see the 100G tape, or the 1T tape. (wishful thinking... I know)
before you criticize a news server (I'm not saying their servers don't suck) for the size of it's spool, think about how much comes in on a daily basis. I run a server that gets a full feed, and I'm up to about 40GB daily (yes, I said G as in Giga). Most of those are misplaced binaries and spam that gets dropped through NoCems, cleanfeed, or spamhippo.
Should they have enough spool to handle more articles? Probably, but as we've seen here, usenet is apparently at the bottom of their list.
I know for one that Deja does honor the udp.
we don't, however, send out news that we receive from other servers. We only send out our posts.
So, our honoring the UDP against them only helps us.