Yeah no one buys anything, thats exactly why the movie industry produced record revenues this year.
I think thats also why Eminem and Britney Spears are at the top of the charts.
Face it, people do pay for stuff when its valueable. The only reason people pay these folks is because they are fans and they want to see new versions produced.
I went to see Lord of the Rings Two Towers, I will go see the Matrix 2, not because I cant watch it for free, but because I want to see it in the high quality theater, and I want to the Matrix 3, 4 and so on to be released.
Its funny you say it offers notihng yet you used Linux Mandrake in order to have that opinion in the first place.
Offers nothing? The service is the Linux Mandrake ISO, if you want to see Linux Mandrake 9.1, Subscribe, if you think Linux Mandrake sucks, well keep your money and pay for something else which is of greater value.
Mandrake did not "burn" money, look at their revenue increases and their costs of running the company decrease.
Mandrake can be profitable, the mandrake club "IS" their revenue stream and source of income. Its a community OS, not a corperate OS, if you want corporate control of linux go support redhat.
Not exactly the same word for word, just the same ideas and opinions.
Each comment gives different details but the main idea I'm pushing is, we should just support Mandrake, they exist, they have employees, and currently we have the power.
It would be better for us as a community to run a for profit company, it would also prove that its a viablee business model.
We can let Mandrake die, but Lindows will just take its place, I'd prefer Mandrake compete with Lindows than to give Lindows a monopoly.
Mandrake is only dying because it ran out of money, not because of a flawed business model, it sucks to see a company which could be profiting which isnt.
Lindows is using the same business plan. Thats get subscribers and sell the services.
However, Mandrake screwed up in their budget early on, and ran out of money. IF Mandrake dies all the Mandrake users will be forced to use Lindows or Lycoris.
Honestly, I think Mandrake has the perfect business plan for a Desktop Linux, Mandrake just needs investor support, if a company were willing to give Mandrake 5 million dollars of investment Mandrake would be profitable in a matter of months..
The community will support Mandrake via the MandrakeClub, and via stock.
I'd rather them stay for profit because people are more likely to pay for something when its a legit business than they will "donate" to non profits.
Debian? hahahahaha Debian is not for newbies.
Slackware? Hahahahahaha.
Stampede.org?
No, I'm thinking of a for profit company which survives off of its memberships but still offers free software, like AOL.
AOL gets you to subscribe then they give you all these software. I believe Mandrake can have a good business model, currently the market just isnt mature enough for them to make decent money.. Lindows is doing the same thing with their Lindows insiders and I dont see anyone complaining about Lindows business model. Now I admit Lindows does have more money than Mandrake, but Mandrake has 20,000 subscribers, this is a decent amount of money.
We have the chance here to save Mandrake or watch it die. If it dies it will never be compareable to Lindows, so once its dead everyone will move to Lycoris and Lindows and support them.
Death should not be an option, we should all subscribe to the club under the silver membership right now, anyone who has ever used Mandrake and who wants to see Mandrake release 9.1, Anyone who wants Linux to be successful on the Desktop, stop talking and do something about it.
IF people are greedy or lazy, well then Mandrake will be just like Debian and Slackware and hardcore Linux users will take over operations and make it worthless to the common joe sixpack.
We will have another worthless community distro, which is exactly what newbies HATE about linux, they HATE the debian zealots running around trying to make everyone run debian.
Basically they will be a community linux no matter what, and will be a non profit no matter what.
So it comes down to, what would you rather control, a commercial Linux that could actually make some money for us all, or would you rather own a non profit.
I'd rather be subscribed to a commercial linux myself.
Lets face it, we will be paying the same amount of money regardless of if Mandrake is a for profit or not.
Buy Stock, by owning stock if Mandrake is a for profit company and they ever do well, we all will get rich and be paid, so theres more incentive to do this than to just donate to a non profit which will never really make money back.
By owning Mandrake as a company, we will have the power of shareholders, we will be able to control a commercial entity.
We have no commercial linux which supports the community and we have enough debians and slackwares, newbies would understand supporting a company more so than trying to do the non profit thing.
The best ideal situation for us would be to control a successful company in the industry. The only way to do this is to subscribe to Mandrake or buy stock.
Subscribing gives you the same power as buying stock just without the $$ making benifits.
Buying stock is just like donating money only you have a good chance of making your money back 3-4 years from now when the Desktop Linux market actually exists.
Non Profit is an idea of last resort, but its certainly not a good idea. A non profit will have not even a quarter of the $$ support of a commercial entity.
By doing these two things Mandrake will remain operational, but they will be forced to obey you because if they dont you'll just unsubcribe or sell your shares, not to mention you can sue them.
I want Mandrake to be a private company because this allows them certain freedoms. I'd rather support a private company which can benifit from the features of capitalism, one reason is because we all can earn money by owning their stock while no one earns any money by just having them be a non profit.
second if we do it like this, we can buy other companies if we ever get enough power. All we'd have to do is pressure Mandrake.
We dont need another community Linux, we have Debian, Slackware, Ark Linux. We need a commercial Linux for the desktop thats supported by the community.
AC, Umass Amherst over Amherst college? Are you crazy????????? Amherst college has an absolute FORTUNE and only a few thousand students. They have the best teachers and learning enviornment according to the Princeton Review.
Math and Programming is seperate, You dont need calculus to be a programmer or a computer scientist unless you plan to do specific work. Math should be an elective and not a requirement unless its Algebra or discrete math.
I bet i know more about computers than you do, from EXPERIENCE.
I know about Data Structions, AI, Object Oriented Programming, Top Down/Bottom Up and other various Design Models, I know how the hardware works, I know the physics involved, I know the way CPUs are written, how they are designed, why they are designed in the way they are, I know current silicon chips are at the end of their lifetime, I know about biological computing, I know about quantum computing and how it works, light based and water based computers being experimented on.
I know how all of this stuff works to the point where I could work with it in the industrym but wait I dont know the weird math and calculus equation dealing with the movements of light or whatever the hell we are supposed to be calculating with calculus?
Please, no one Ive ever met whos a computer science in the industry has ever used calculus unless its too write a game and even then games dont use real physics so unless you want to make a sim of the atomic bomb explosions or work on writing a genetic algorithm to help boeing design new aircrafts what Math are you talking about.
Math rigor? What is math rigor? yes you do problem solving when you write programs sometimes but 90 percent of writing programs is fixing bugs and using code thats already written, most algorithms are already there and you can just steal them, sure to be a GREAT programmer you need to be good at math but the average programmer they only know up to algebra.
Discrete Math I dont have a problem with, I dont have a problem with Combinatorics, I dont have a problem with Algebra even, its calculus that I have a problem with, and Linear Algebra and the BS stuff they teach us which has absolutely nothing to do with computer science.
You will use statistics more than you'll use Calculus or Linear Algebra, you need to know how to calculate statistics when you work with AI.
Computer Engineering however is what you are thinking of, or maybe Robotics?
Give me an example of when you'll use math, the only math you will use is Combinatorics and some basic Algebra.
Calculus isnt even about logic, I agree learning Logic is important but Calculus is the wrong math to use to teach logic.
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Yes but white males already get a free pass, so why shouldnt their competition get the same?
I see your point, but why should you have to work twice as hard and be twice as educated to get the same job and same salary as a white male? And then even if you get this salary, white males who you work with will not respect you as an equal.
Its not about a handout, but what other way is there to make things equal? Its not like you'd get a fair salary without affirmative action, in fact most places wouldnt even hire you assuming because you are a woman that you somehow just are less qualified.
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Yeah no one buys anything, thats exactly why the movie industry produced record revenues this year.
I think thats also why Eminem and Britney Spears are at the top of the charts.
Face it, people do pay for stuff when its valueable. The only reason people pay these folks is because they are fans and they want to see new versions produced.
I went to see Lord of the Rings Two Towers, I will go see the Matrix 2, not because I cant watch it for free, but because I want to see it in the high quality theater, and I want to the Matrix 3, 4 and so on to be released.
Its funny you say it offers notihng yet you used Linux Mandrake in order to have that opinion in the first place.
Offers nothing? The service is the Linux Mandrake ISO, if you want to see Linux Mandrake 9.1, Subscribe, if you think Linux Mandrake sucks, well keep your money and pay for something else which is of greater value.
name one easy to use non profit linux thats designed for newbies. Just one
By the way, KDE and Gnome arent distos they are applications. Big difference here. Not to mention most KDE and Gnome developers are paid developers.
Actually im working on a p2p update system thats better than apt-get. Who knows if it will ever be completed
I'm still waiting for Gnutella2 specs.
Mandrake did not "burn" money, look at their revenue increases and their costs of running the company decrease.
Mandrake can be profitable, the mandrake club "IS" their revenue stream and source of income. Its a community OS, not a corperate OS, if you want corporate control of linux go support redhat.
Debian has a text based installer with very very old files, its never up to date.
Why even compare the two.
Not to mention mandrake uses rpm.
Ok Mr. Software developer you sure do represent the casual user.
Now go compile some software or something.
Desktop users dont use Redhat or United Linux, they want something for the desktop,not for hosting servers.
Not exactly the same word for word, just the same ideas and opinions.
Each comment gives different details but the main idea I'm pushing is, we should just support Mandrake, they exist, they have employees, and currently we have the power.
It would be better for us as a community to run a for profit company, it would also prove that its a viablee business model.
We can let Mandrake die, but Lindows will just take its place, I'd prefer Mandrake compete with Lindows than to give Lindows a monopoly.
Mandrake is only dying because it ran out of money, not because of a flawed business model, it sucks to see a company which could be profiting which isnt.
Buy their stock, subcribe to the club, if we become the number 1 source of their income we own them.
Lindows is using the same business plan. Thats get subscribers and sell the services.
However, Mandrake screwed up in their budget early on, and ran out of money. IF Mandrake dies all the Mandrake users will be forced to use Lindows or Lycoris.
Honestly, I think Mandrake has the perfect business plan for a Desktop Linux, Mandrake just needs investor support, if a company were willing to give Mandrake 5 million dollars of investment Mandrake would be profitable in a matter of months..
The community will support Mandrake via the MandrakeClub, and via stock.
I'd rather them stay for profit because people are more likely to pay for something when its a legit business than they will "donate" to non profits.
Debian? hahahahaha Debian is not for newbies.
Slackware? Hahahahahaha.
Stampede.org?
No, I'm thinking of a for profit company which survives off of its memberships but still offers free software, like AOL.
AOL gets you to subscribe then they give you all these software. I believe Mandrake can have a good business model, currently the market just isnt mature enough for them to make decent money.. Lindows is doing the same thing with their Lindows insiders and I dont see anyone complaining about Lindows business model. Now I admit Lindows does have more money than Mandrake, but Mandrake has 20,000 subscribers, this is a decent amount of money.
We have the chance here to save Mandrake or watch it die. If it dies it will never be compareable to Lindows, so once its dead everyone will move to Lycoris and Lindows and support them.
Death should not be an option, we should all subscribe to the club under the silver membership right now, anyone who has ever used Mandrake and who wants to see Mandrake release 9.1, Anyone who wants Linux to be successful on the Desktop, stop talking and do something about it.
IF people are greedy or lazy, well then Mandrake will be just like Debian and Slackware and hardcore Linux users will take over operations and make it worthless to the common joe sixpack.
We will have another worthless community distro, which is exactly what newbies HATE about linux, they HATE the debian zealots running around trying to make everyone run debian.
Basically they will be a community linux no matter what, and will be a non profit no matter what.
So it comes down to, what would you rather control, a commercial Linux that could actually make some money for us all, or would you rather own a non profit.
I'd rather be subscribed to a commercial linux myself.
Subscribe to the Mandrake Club.
Lets face it, we will be paying the same amount of money regardless of if Mandrake is a for profit or not.
Buy Stock, by owning stock if Mandrake is a for profit company and they ever do well, we all will get rich and be paid, so theres more incentive to do this than to just donate to a non profit which will never really make money back.
By owning Mandrake as a company, we will have the power of shareholders, we will be able to control a commercial entity.
We have no commercial linux which supports the community and we have enough debians and slackwares, newbies would understand supporting a company more so than trying to do the non profit thing.
The best ideal situation for us would be to control a successful company in the industry. The only way to do this is to subscribe to Mandrake or buy stock.
Subscribing gives you the same power as buying stock just without the $$ making benifits.
Buying stock is just like donating money only you have a good chance of making your money back 3-4 years from now when the Desktop Linux market actually exists.
Non Profit is an idea of last resort, but its certainly not a good idea. A non profit will have not even a quarter of the $$ support of a commercial entity.
Buy their stock.
Subscribe to the Mandrake Club.
By doing these two things Mandrake will remain operational, but they will be forced to obey you because if they dont you'll just unsubcribe or sell your shares, not to mention you can sue them.
I want Mandrake to be a private company because this allows them certain freedoms. I'd rather support a private company which can benifit from the features of capitalism, one reason is because we all can earn money by owning their stock while no one earns any money by just having them be a non profit.
second if we do it like this, we can buy other companies if we ever get enough power. All we'd have to do is pressure Mandrake.
We dont need another community Linux, we have Debian, Slackware, Ark Linux. We need a commercial Linux for the desktop thats supported by the community.
YEah so Mandrake shouldnt relesse Mandrake 9.1 until they get their donations. They shouldnt provide any free services until after you pay for them.
hahahhahaha you arent from Mass, I am.
AC, Umass Amherst over Amherst college? Are you crazy????????? Amherst college has an absolute FORTUNE and only a few thousand students. They have the best teachers and learning enviornment according to the Princeton Review.
No ones going to argue about harvard medical, and harvard law, but as for computer science harvard isnt even in the top 10.
MIT ranks first
Caltech Ranks second
then you have a ton of private colleges like Amherst College which all rank above Harvard and Yale.
Harvard is just a Name, the best college in massaschusettes is Amherst College, the best science / math school is MIT.
He should go to MIT, Harvard for computers and science is a stupid idea.
Math and Programming is seperate, You dont need calculus to be a programmer or a computer scientist unless you plan to do specific work. Math should be an elective and not a requirement unless its Algebra or discrete math.
I bet i know more about computers than you do, from EXPERIENCE.
I know about Data Structions, AI, Object Oriented Programming, Top Down/Bottom Up and other various Design Models, I know how the hardware works, I know the physics involved, I know the way CPUs are written, how they are designed, why they are designed in the way they are, I know current silicon chips are at the end of their lifetime, I know about biological computing, I know about quantum computing and how it works, light based and water based computers being experimented on.
I know how all of this stuff works to the point where I could work with it in the industrym but wait
I dont know the weird math and calculus equation dealing with the movements of light or whatever the hell we are supposed to be calculating with calculus?
Please, no one Ive ever met whos a computer science in the industry has ever used calculus unless its too write a game and even then games dont use real physics so unless you want to make a sim of the atomic bomb explosions or work on writing a genetic algorithm to help boeing design new aircrafts what Math are you talking about.
Math rigor? What is math rigor? yes you do problem solving when you write programs sometimes but 90 percent of writing programs is fixing bugs and using code thats already written, most algorithms are already there and you can just steal them, sure to be a GREAT programmer you need to be good at math but the average programmer they only know up to algebra.
Discrete Math I dont have a problem with, I dont have a problem with Combinatorics, I dont have a problem with Algebra even, its calculus that I have a problem with, and Linear Algebra and the BS stuff they teach us which has absolutely nothing to do with computer science.
You will use statistics more than you'll use Calculus or Linear Algebra, you need to know how to calculate statistics when you work with AI.
Computer Engineering however is what you are thinking of, or maybe Robotics?
Give me an example of when you'll use math, the only math you will use is Combinatorics and
some basic Algebra.
Calculus isnt even about logic, I agree learning Logic is important but Calculus is the wrong math to use to teach logic.
Thats highschools goal, we arent in college to be taught how to think. We are in college to be taught a specific focused field of study.
Im male and im not good at math, whats your point
Yes but white males already get a free pass, so why shouldnt their competition get the same?
I see your point, but why should you have to work twice as hard and be twice as educated to get the same job and same salary as a white male?
And then even if you get this salary, white males who you work with will not respect you as an equal.
Its not about a handout, but what other way is there to make things equal? Its not like you'd get a fair salary without affirmative action, in fact most places wouldnt even hire you assuming because you are a woman that you somehow just are less qualified.