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  1. Re:Mod up funny on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    bullshit it wouldnt take 50-100 years.
    They have cities, they have electricity, they have schools and computers RIGHT NOW.

    Why would it take them 50-100 years to learn C and make stuff like computer games and software?

  2. Re:Thats not because of tax cuts. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1

    Because big companies do not help the economy, they harm it.

    Microsft harms our economy when they hire people in india, their monopoly harms our economy and our economy would benifit best by FORCING companies like this to give money. These companies have no reason to invest in R&D because they have monopolies, these companies have offices around the world and are no longer considered American companies. The further growth of these companies reduces competition in the industry which slows down the economy.

    We want to create a competitive enviornment for small growing businesses which will get investors to invest. These small businesses hire mostly American workers, and small businesses because they are growing should not have to pay taxes at all depending on the industry.

    This allows us to grow certain industries, say nano technology? Nano tech companies should not have to pay taxes at all. They should be free of all taxes until they reach a certain size.

    Across the board tax cut is a waste of money, that slowly drains money out of our economy and into China and Indias economy, Targetted tax cuts are the only way to improve the US economy in a focused way. If you give Microsoft tax cuts, Microsoft already has 30 billion sitting in the bank, they hire 40 percent of their workers from India, another 10-15 percent in places like Africa, Ireland etc, and then you have maybe 20-30 percent in USA.

    Microsoft is a Global company and Global companies should not get tax cuts, tax cuts should go to local businesses so that they improve the local economy, you give a tax cut to Microsoft and you improve the Economy of India.

  3. Re:Mod up funny on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    And how do you think this stuff is built? Just because they lack it doesnt mean they should just give up on ever having it.

    What? because they dont have education, infastructure, a good economy, medical care etc they should do everything in their power to ensure they never have it tomorrow?

  4. Re:Thats not because of tax cuts. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    Tax cuts should go to tax payers who can boost the economy only.

    Bill Gates, Microsoft, and these other big companies should never get tax cuts, These companies will only use the extra money to hire folks in India and China.

    We need to give tax cuts to small local businesses, this is what boosts the economy. SMALL BUSINESS tax cuts.

  5. Incomes mean nothing on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    The cost of living in the USA is also alot more expensive than sweden. So what good is higher income? So what if you make $30,000, thats poverty level in the USA, you are on the edge of being homeless and living paycheck to paycheck on an income like that.

    So when you figure out what its like to be on the edge of homeless in sweden you'll see its better to be poor in Europe than poor in the USA.

    The USA has far less social programs for the poor. If you are poor in the USA you are fucked, and if you dont have a degree in the USA you will most certainly be poor if you are a minority.

    So compare the education level of the average african american whos living in the middle class to the average swedish person whos living in the middle class as well.

  6. Thats not because of tax cuts. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    Tax cuts do not stimulate the economy.

    You cannot stimulate the economy, at least not an economy as large at the US economy, with small little drop in the bucket tax cuts.

    10 trillion dollar economy, 600 billion dollar tax cut, thats 6 percent tax cut.

    Now, if we did something more drastic, like cut taxes by 2 trillion dollars overnight instead of over a period of 10 years, the economy would be stimulated.

    The tax cut has to be swift and large enough to matter, small tax cuts dont have much effect.

    Also your tax cuts have to be directed at specific industries, new industries which are still growing.

    Tax cut incentives to support nano technology, bio technology, and industries with no market leader, because when you give tax cuts to a monopoly like Microsoft they wont reinvest it into our economy, they will use the money to hire workers in India.

    We have to give tax cuts to small businesses, not big businesses, this is how in the clinton era the economy was successful.

    Clinton wisely did not tax the internet, this caused the dot com boom to occur, tax incentives helped the Web grow at breakneck speeds, perhaps it grew too fast, but thats how you stimulate the economy.

    Long term stimulus does not work.

    Japan had flawed LONG TERM ideas, they cut taxes but not when the time was right or for the industries which needed them.

    Japan should have grew their internet industry faster, they should have removed all taxes from software industries to encourage software development exports.

  7. Re:Reality Check on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1

    Go to an internet cafe, or build one using government funding.

    Also food does not cost $15 a week in the USA, why would it cost more in Africa? You can live off rice, or romain noodles for less than $15 a week, hell, you can live off mc donalds
    lets see

    $1 for a burder and $1 for some fries.

    2 dollars a day to eat at mc donalds every day.

    You can buy romain noodles or eat rice for less than this, romain noodles costs 50 cent a pack, you can live off 2 packs a day, a dollar a day is 7 dollars a week.

    Theres ways to live cheaper than you live in the USA than in Africa? Where is all this donation money for free food going to if you pay more than us for food?

    Now I agree you wont be able to afford a house, or eat well, but alot of people in the USA dont eat well either, especially college students.

    Internet Cafes allow people like you in Africa who dont have enough money to buy a computer to use the public computers built specifically for that purpose.

    What stops your gov from using the additional money they save from not spending millions on licenses, on buying computers for public use. These computers could be pentium 2s, even thoses are good enough and they are cheap, you can buy a pentium 2 computer for under $100.

    Lets say in Africa you do make $300 a month, you couldnt save $20 every month by cutting corners on food? You cant find ways to get food cheaper or for free? Its called hustling, people do it here in the USA when poor, I'm sure people can do it in Africa.

  8. Re:Mod up funny on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1

    most ignorant next to yours of course.

  9. You get your info about Hong Kong from the CIA? on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    China just recently got involved in world trade.

    China still to this day is Communist.

    You dont have a pure Communist or Capitalist country so you decide if a country is Communist or Capitalist based on the way the majority of that country works.

    USA is Capitalist, but not all states in the USA are cutting taxes and following capitalism, alot of states are socialist high tax and public support states, like massachusettes.

    China but for the most part China is communist.

  10. Government is one thing but on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    You dont seem to understand that the government influences the whole economy.

    The government will keep some stuff private but will make alot of stuff public because it will help Africa.

    Companies in Africa dont benifit if the stuff developed is not released, with no economy Africa cannot improve its economy thus the government wont get more tax dollars back.

  11. Re:Shortsighted and blinkered on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    And that is the exact reason why a place like SA can make a fortunee in the open source market.

  12. Re:MS was willing to help! on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    Microsofts goal wasnt to help those in need, Microsofts goal was to sell their OS to schools.

    What good is giving free computers if the software costs more than the computers? The Licenses werent free.

    Open Source poeple said Microsoft could donate twice as much hardware if the software was open source, Redhat agreed to donate software, Microsoft showing their true motives pulled out.

    If Microsoft wanted to help the poor schools they'd have donated the computers with or without their software on it.

  13. Re:You think capitalism is better? on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1

    Hong Kong is Communist, Mainland China is Communist.

    Taiwan has nothing to do with any of this but China is beating Taiwan.

    East and West Germany had nothing on the Soviet Union.

  14. Re:Africa doesnt need jobs it needs an economy. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1

    I dont think Africa will have a problem with Famine if they focus their economy on technology and not on stupid stuff like farming.

    China made the same mistake Africa is making the only success came fromm Japan, and thats because Japan found their niche, Africa must do the same.

  15. Internet Cafes. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    You have to take into account that China is just as bad as Africa and look at China.

    Sure they dont all have electricity, but they all have brains, books, and as open source companies begin to get government funding, the government will build internet cafes all around the country, the companies will use their profits to hire programmers, programmers will make money and this money which goes to taxes will be used to build more infastructure.

    It will take 10-20 years for Africa to go from being a third world country to a world leader.

  16. Re:America of the 1800s had slavery. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1


    The work that the slaves did more than made up for the food, the clothes were often made by the slaves themselves who picked cotten and then created the clothes. Food = scraps.

    You are right slaves arent free, but their labor more than pays for what you mention.

  17. Re:Africa doesnt need jobs it needs an economy. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 0


    They are in recession not because their overall plan is flawed, they are in recession for the same reason we are in recession.

    Their banks rank out of money after giving away too much venture Capital and their governments continued to cut taxes and so the same things our gov did, which didnt work.

    Economies have their ups and downs but japan is the second best economy in the world.

  18. Socialism is required on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    Until the country reaches a point where all the food and educaiton requirements are met, and this is when you can move to capitalism.

    The USA is not pure Capitalism, neither is Canada or any of the European countries.

  19. You think capitalism is better? on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 0, Offtopic



    Communism is bad, but no country has successfully been built on Capitalism.

    Countries start off communist and then convert to capitalism.

    Africa had slavery, USA had slavery, China started off Communist, Europe had slavery.

    You act like Capitalism works before the infastructure is actually there to make it work.

    Sure you can build a country on free Labor, but Communism is what works. How is Africa supposed to buy Microsofts software? Capitalism doesnt work because they are too poor, they must first build up their industries and economy.

  20. Thats why they are the perfect country to do this on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    South Africa is a poor country. Just because they have an Aids problem doesnt mean they are the only country with this problem, Asia also has an Aids problem, especially Thailand.

    As far as the Aids crisis, while alot of people in South Africa have aids, the spread of Aids is greater in African than in the USA because Africa does not have the technology, the medicine, the doctors, most people infected with Aids dont know they have it, the fact that most people in Africa arent educated enough, etc.

    You have to start somewhere, a country needs an economy before it can improve.

  21. America of the 1800s had slavery. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    So risk didnt cost anything. Building railroads? FREE! So of course if you can use native americans, blacks, asians and other slaves to do all the labor, well of course you can take more risks than you do now.

    Now someone has to be PAID, risks cost money.

    Now if you talk about the early 1900s you have more of a point.

    If US companies want to take risks, it could be the last risk they ever take.

  22. Africa doesnt need jobs it needs an economy. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Africa needs an economy. They have more than enough workers, what they need is infastructure, they need an OS, they need plenty of software which they can develop on their own considering they have unlimited people power,

    Its almost like China or India, yes they can make money making Windows software but they would make ALOT more money if they didnt have to pay for licenses, this would allow them to advance in the information age faster because even with a poor economy they'd be able to compete with and even surpass us in terms of software development and engineering.

    Robotics, AI, and alot of computer devices they create could be exported giving them a similar economy to that of Japan. Japan currently sells playstation 2 and electronics devices which require alot of programming, Africa has the ability to have an economy like this easily.

  23. This is AFRICA not America on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 4, Interesting


    The average African does not make the same amount of money as the average American.

    So when you say stuff about people in Africa somehow getting rich off of windows programs, you would be right if this were happening in 1995-99, but its 2003, theres no longer a shortage of programmers, the supply of programmers are endless and the supply of software is limited, at least in africa where the people cannot afford the software.

    Their best solution is to develop their own software using their own labor, and then they can build the technology they need to export to the USA and thats how they can REALLY make money.

  24. What is the population of Africa? on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: 1



    You'd think with a population the size of that, they will never run out of programmers.

  25. This is very good news. on South African Gov't Declared An Open Source Zone · · Score: -1, Troll


    This will greatly improve africa and the code they generate (theres over a billion africans) will help the open source community.

    Not to mention it will improve their own country.