I've never met a kid with "ADD" who cant pay attention to the television, or the video games, or books when they want to read them.
ADD in school is just a petty excuse teachers make for students who rebel, they dont just want to admit that they suck as teachers, their classes are boring as hell and their students arent learning.
In a class where a kid is not learning a damn thing or a class thats boring as h ell, suddenly the symptoms of ADD appear.
I think if a kid really does have ADD the best way to deal with it is to let them use the computer, and let them learn in their own way.
Also when a kid is on the computer, if they do have ADD even if they are distracted they still learn something, even if they go drift off into other websites as long as the school has things setup so the kid is always learning no matter where they go on the net, it can work.
Dont allow any games, perhaps you shouldnt allow someone with ADD to go into a chatroom, but if they have a problem paying attention and the goal is for them to gather as much knowledge as possible perhaps the best way is to let them direct their own learning. Not everyone learns in a structured way, and the solution is not to blame the ADD, but to teach them in a way which they accept, even people with ADD know alot about certain things.
Just because you are good at problem solving does not mean you are good at math.
Just because you memorize the answers does not mean you learn the process.
When you learn the formulas to math, you know that learning the multiplicaiton tables was an absolute complete waste of time, this is like using your brain as a number crunching calculator, when we have calculators which can do this, so why do the math in your head? Why waste years learning the multiplication tables when you can learn the formula for multiplication and then use addition to solve multiplication problems?
Addition is multiplication, Addition is also Subtraction, its all the same thing! You only need to teach ONE formula and it would teach all of these things instantly.
Or you can give people problems and tell them to solve them without giving them the formula, and waste years of their time while they memorize the answers
Why memorize 2+2=4, and 4+4=8 when you can just memorize A+B=C?
If A+B=C is addition, Multiplication is just A+A=B(2+2=2x2=4) repeated Addition.
Why should you bother memorizing the answers to repeated addition problems? Why not just teach them that its repeated addition and let them use what they already know to solve multiplication problems on paper?
If you want to memorize tables you can also memorize square roots, you can memorize the answers to fractions, you can memorize as many answers as you want but none of them will matter in the long run if you dont know the process, the formulas, the rules.
Knowledge of math can be learned just like you can learn C, but to actually be able to do it in your head, without pen and paper, or do math without a calculator, this is talent.
This is not something everyone can do, just like not everyone is good enough to write perfect C code in their head without looking into the refrence manual every now and then.
Instead of trying to make your daughter into something shes not, teach her to do math in whatever way she is capable of doing it, if she has to use paper, fine, as long as she learns the concepts and formulas who cares if her problem solving/ number crunching skills suck? The higher level maths like calculus are not about your ability to crunch numbers in your head its about your ability to understand the concepts and your knowledge of the actual formula.
You can memorize multiplication tables and waste your time practicing your number crunching for years, or you can accept that you arent good at this and learn the core concept of multiplication, by learning the underlying formula you learn its just addition and you can use the formula to do multiplication without memorizing all the tables.
This can save you YEARS worth of time which could be wasted practicing multiplication tables and memorizing answers instead of the processes to getting them.
Your teacher didnt teach you math right, you learned to crunch numbers, because you naturally had the ability to be good at crunching numbers you used pure calculation and number crunching to get you through math but dont you know all math is just concepts? Its not about the problem or the solution, its about the process.
Pen and Paper is also a cruch, should the professor tell you to do the math in your head? If you did do it in your head he'd say the same thing "I need to see how you got these answers"
You have to prove you know the steps is all, you can still use calculators and know math as long as you know all the formulas and steps to solving the problem it does not matter what tools you use to solve them, you can use pen and paper, you can use a calculator, a super computer, it doesnt matter.
Kids need to learn to use the tools of today, calculators are fine but only if the class is designed for it. If the class was a mathclass where all the math was done on computers, and all of the steps you did were logged, if you use a calculator it doesnt matter how you do the number crunching as long as the steps you used equals the right answer.
In computer programming its not about reinventing the wheel, its about embrace and extend, you can get more done if you share code and reuse code than if you write everything yourself. The only thing which matters is how much you can get done.
Great? I programmed in logo and that was totally useless.
Logo for third grade? How old were you? 10? I'd teach someone at that age Basic not Logo. In Middle School I'd move on to Visual Basic and or C.
This would be computer science and they'd learn a few concepts which might help them in understanding algebra, it would be part of a pre algebra type of class to learn programming.
Computers should be used as a tool to teach math, not as a tool to teach Computers. Teachers today treat Computers like they are mysterious and spend too much time teaching "Computers" instead of using Computers to teach everything else.
A web connected Tablet connected to everyones desk would be far more efficient than notebooks and the current tools, and a smartboard is far more efficient than a chalk board. Just like a calculator is far more efficient than Pen and Paper, you can learn math just fine with just a calculator, you can learn math with a computer.
And before some fool comes and says "You dont know math if you use a calculator, you dont know math is you use a computer"
Theres a difference between knowing math, and knowing how to work with numbers, number crunching is not knowing math.
Use computers as a tool or teaching device instead of treating computers as something seperate.
Why should you teach computer science? Computers are so common now this is like having a class on the science of using pen and paper, or having a class teaching how to use a calculator or word processor, sure you may need to take one class in your lifetime on this but currently most schools only do this.
Unless you go to a good school computers arent used properly. In college computers are used in a more proper fashion and it shows, look at how its done in college and do this in highschool.
A student can learn to read and write better with a computer than with any other tool, the dictionary book is not as efficient as spell check, and the best way to learn math is with computers because it allows you to focus on what really matters, the concepts of math instead of just stupid stuff like memorizing your multiplication tables, or other pointless calculations which your calculator or computer will do or which you can do by simply knowing that multiplication is just addition.
Math is currently taught wrong, its not that computers dont aid in teaching, they do, but only when teachers know how to use the computer as a tool to help them teach.
Teachers however are often dumber than their students when it comes to technology, we need to educate teachers so they know how to teach with software. I took a cisco academy class in which the whole class was computer based, I learned just fine from this although I wish we had more labs, this was the cisco academy, learning form computers is actually easier than learning from any book due to the addition of multimedia examples explaining things in greater detail, however some aspects of learning still require a teacher, and for something like networking its the physical aspect that was missing.
As for reading and math, theres no physical aspect to this, why dont some of you open source linux using programmer types make some math software? The reading software? Microsoft word, the internet, etc is just fine to teach people to read, hell buy them some old school RPGs like final fantasy, get them interested in reading for fun, parents have to do this, and a teacher simply has to give them assignments so they learn proper grammar, proper grammar is just knowing how to use Microsoft Word properly.
The reason computers arent working in education is because the money is being wasted on Microsoft Windows and other licenses instead of open source software, and due to the fact that buying computers designed for business work and not designed for education is a waste of time.
An ordinary computer should not be used for education, computers specifically designed for education should be used for education. Smartboards, which are far more advanced than ordinary chalk boards are proven to be more efficient tools for teaching. E-Learning which seems to work well in college only works due to the fact that specific software on the college level is created to teach specific subjects.
Honestly, when I learned from the software it was far more efficient than learning from a book. Usually teachers use books, but why not use software to teach kids? Software can be interactive and this allows students to learn Math and English better than from books. The reason its not working right now is because any new technology needs time to adapt to its enviornment. When computers were first invented we did not have the software to use the internet in the way we use it now, we didnt have the search engine, we didnt have peer to peer file sharing, half of the stuff we do now with the computer was not possible in the 80s, did they say in the 80s computers were useless? Hell no.
Yeah I'm primitive as hell right? I'm smart enough to know you dont beat the competition by copying them, then again maybe thats Why Microsoft always beat Apple, they dont innovate they copy.
I was laying down on a couch and someone was changing my diaper, and I was given a mirror, I looked into the mirror confused, eventually i began to understand I was looking at myself and from this moment on I had self awareness and memory.
I can remember from Age 2.5 on up. I cannot remember anything from age 1.
any credible virus maker could easily distribute either a Linux or Windows versions of Quake3 with a virus embedded in it.
MD5 checksum or whatever the hell its called, the same way you figure out if an ISO or file is corrupt, you can find out if a Quake binary is corrupt, how would a virus embeded into a program get past a binary check? Unless the virus comes directly from ID software its not going to work.
Linux is not inheriently more virus-proof than Windows, but is so currently because of usage.
Ok lets assume you did somehow infect my system with a virus, consider the fact that I'm not in root by default like Windows, how would you infect my entire machine? At most you'd only infect one account on my machine because a virus would have no way of getting my root password, or at least no easy way.
No, patches work so that the virii/trojan/hack doesn't work in the first place. Usually, other software must clear any infection.
In order for patches to be written someone had to be infected in the first place, what if you happened to be one of the ones infected before the patch gets written? Usually its only a few thousand but sometimes it can be millions.
Uh, when was the last time you personally checked (as in auditted), every line of a large(r) project, such as KDE, GNOME, apache, Mozilla, OO, etc.., before you compiled it and installed it. Do you really trust the source after you compile it? There have been many instances where crackers hack into open source websites/mirrors, and put in trojans directly in the source. I get my software from high quality sources, directly from mozilla, or directly from Redhat, Redhat checks every peice of software so by the time I get it there are no viruses unless someone hacks Redhat.
Of course, but people will if Linux ever gets a big chunk of the desktop/home market.
You dont understand my po-int, all of the best hackers are already trying to hack Linux, what do you think all of the hackers target? WindowsXP? Or Linux? Only newbie wannabe winnuke using subseven loving crackers deal with Windows, crackers usually are less skilled than hackers and go after the easiest target (Windows users), They break into peoples machines to destroy them, they have fun watching people suffer, these people arent always skilled.
Hackers however break into machines for specific purposes, usually because theres some information they want or need, such as an ex employee hacking into the companies servers to get information to screw the company over, or a group of guys who hack into paypal to steal credit information. Hackers go after high profile targets, not corny WindowsXP. The reason WindowsXP has so many viruses infecting it is simply because its easy to write them, its easier to write a virus than it is to write real software in WindowsXP, consider how complicated the WindowsAPI is, its easier to write a file to do some low level function in C such as fill the drive up with junk, or log keystrokes, than to actually write a REAL application.
Hackers while they dont write Viruses do write worms and Linux will have to deal with Worms, unlike a Virus a worm breaks into your machine via some exploit or a bug in the code, copies enough information to spread itself to all your friends, and so on, such as a worm which you are infected with, which has code which activates when you run Gnutella and then runs the same exploit on all the Gnutella users as it ran on you, just so it can spread itself around, so that the hacker later on, then at a set date or at the time when its hooked into a certain amount of machines, it launches a denial of service attack against DNS servers.
This is an example of how Worms can work. Honestly though most virus writers arent skilled enough to do this, thats why theres only a handful of worms like Code Red.
Now, consider the fact that if everyone were using Linux, writing a worm would be the only way to actually infect Linux, you'd have to write a worm which infects a user through an exploit in the Linux source code such as a buffer overflow, then you'd have to somehow through a trick get their root password, such as making their screen go black and putting them in front of a loginscreen which looks exactly like theirs and catching their keystrokes, then putting them back on KDE or Gnome, you'd have to go through alot of trouble to hack into a Linux computer.
How many hackers would be able to do this? Maybe a few thousand? How quickly would Virii be patched? The same day the first person is infected, so a virus would not have enough time to spread like Windows Viruses do. Linux is very secure, if you think its easy to write a Virus to infect Linux and Windows, Do it, write a virus which infects both.
" That argument is not really valid. Every operating system supports virii and trojans. Granted, Windows has far many of them, but when patched/updated/auto-updated, something like WindowsXP should not be more prone to them than Linux. Windows just has way more virii and trojans as way more people use it.
If Linux ever conquers the desktop, you'll see many virii in it too."
How do you get infected by a virus on Linux when everything is open source? Compile the code if you are paraniod, but if not, use MD5 or whatever the hell its called to verify every file you run.
Theres no way to hide a trojan in a file in Linux, its impossible to hide them because you can compile code yourself, even if you are infected by a virus due to your own stupidity of not checking the code, your entire computer is not infected, but just one user account, a virus cannot gain root access easily, and neither can a trojan.
Fact is, Linux is already the main target of hackers, no one writes viruses to kill home users computers, Code Red and most of the major viruses were written to take control of servers, Servers run Linux, but it seems only NT gets infected by viruses these days.
Patches dont work because they only protect you after you've been infected.
Just because you patch AFTER a virus is discovered does not mean you are safe.
You only patched after the fact, when Microsoft decides to make you the patch, what if you discover a bug or hackers discover a bug in windows and there is no patch? then you have to wait for Microsoft to patc h it and hope no other hackers know about the bug too. Remember Winnuke?
Faking the moon landing would strategically make the Soviets waste resources trying to copy us, its logical in the same way that lying and claiming flying saucers with aliens abducting people would create the kinda hysteria to make the soviets waste money investigating it.
By making your enemy fight enemies that dont exist, you can beat an army thats twice the size of your own. The cold war is what ruined the soviets, they were spending on everything, wasting money left and right, and we beat them because capitalism generates more money over longer periods of time than communism
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I've never met a kid with "ADD" who cant pay attention to the television, or the video games, or books when they want to read them.
ADD in school is just a petty excuse teachers make for students who rebel, they dont just want to admit that they suck as teachers, their classes are boring as hell and their students arent learning.
In a class where a kid is not learning a damn thing or a class thats boring as h ell, suddenly the symptoms of ADD appear.
I think if a kid really does have ADD the best way to deal with it is to let them use the computer, and let them learn in their own way.
Also when a kid is on the computer, if they do have ADD even if they are distracted they still learn something, even if they go drift off into other websites as long as the school has things setup so the kid is always learning no matter where they go on the net, it can work.
Dont allow any games, perhaps you shouldnt allow someone with ADD to go into a chatroom, but if they have a problem paying attention and the goal is for them to gather as much knowledge as possible perhaps the best way is to let them direct their own learning. Not everyone learns in a structured way, and the solution is not to blame the ADD, but to teach them in a way which they accept, even people with ADD know alot about certain things.
Thats exactly what I was trying to explain to these people.
If teachers in highschool and below would know this they'd be able to properly teach math but instead they just teach problem solving.
Problem solving is a talent, you either have it or you dont, Math is a skill, anyone can learn the concepts but not anyone do numbers in their head.
Just because you are good at problem solving does not mean you are good at math.
Just because you memorize the answers does not mean you learn the process.
When you learn the formulas to math, you know that learning the multiplicaiton tables was an absolute complete waste of time, this is like using your brain as a number crunching calculator, when we have calculators which can do this, so why do the math in your head? Why waste years learning the multiplication tables when you can learn the formula for multiplication and then use addition to solve multiplication problems?
Addition is multiplication, Addition is also Subtraction, its all the same thing! You only need to teach ONE formula and it would teach all of these things instantly.
Or you can give people problems and tell them to solve them without giving them the formula, and waste years of their time while they memorize the answers
Why memorize 2+2=4, and 4+4=8 when you can just memorize A+B=C?
If A+B=C is addition, Multiplication is just A+A=B(2+2=2x2=4) repeated Addition.
Why should you bother memorizing the answers to repeated addition problems? Why not just teach them that its repeated addition and let them use what they already know to solve multiplication problems on paper?
If you want to memorize tables you can also memorize square roots, you can memorize the answers to fractions, you can memorize as many answers as you want but none of them will matter in the long run if you dont know the process, the formulas, the rules.
Knowledge of math can be learned just like you can learn C, but to actually be able to do it in your head, without pen and paper, or do math without a calculator, this is talent.
This is not something everyone can do, just like not everyone is good enough to write perfect C code in their head without looking into the refrence manual every now and then.
Instead of trying to make your daughter into something shes not, teach her to do math in whatever way she is capable of doing it, if she has to use paper, fine, as long as she learns the concepts and formulas who cares if her problem solving/ number crunching skills suck? The higher level maths like calculus are not about your ability to crunch numbers in your head its about your ability to understand the concepts and your knowledge of the actual formula.
You can memorize multiplication tables and waste your time practicing your number crunching for years, or you can accept that you arent good at this and learn the core concept of multiplication, by learning the underlying formula you learn its just addition and you can use the formula to do multiplication without memorizing all the tables.
This can save you YEARS worth of time which could be wasted practicing multiplication tables and memorizing answers instead of the processes to getting them.
Your teacher didnt teach you math right, you learned to crunch numbers, because you naturally had the ability to be good at crunching numbers you used pure calculation and number crunching to get you through math but dont you know all math is just concepts? Its not about the problem or the solution, its about the process.
Pen and Paper is also a cruch, should the professor tell you to do the math in your head? If you did do it in your head he'd say the same thing "I need to see how you got these answers"
You have to prove you know the steps is all, you can still use calculators and know math as long as you know all the formulas and steps to solving the problem it does not matter what tools you use to solve them, you can use pen and paper, you can use a calculator, a super computer, it doesnt matter.
Kids need to learn to use the tools of today, calculators are fine but only if the class is designed for it. If the class was a mathclass where all the math was done on computers, and all of the steps you did were logged, if you use a calculator it doesnt matter how you do the number crunching as long as the steps you used equals the right answer.
In computer programming its not about reinventing the wheel, its about embrace and extend, you can get more done if you share code and reuse code than if you write everything yourself. The only thing which matters is how much you can get done.
Great? I programmed in logo and that was totally useless.
Logo for third grade? How old were you? 10? I'd teach someone at that age Basic not Logo. In Middle School I'd move on to Visual Basic and or C.
This would be computer science and they'd learn a few concepts which might help them in understanding algebra, it would be part of a pre algebra type of class to learn programming.
Computers should be used as a tool to teach math, not as a tool to teach Computers. Teachers today treat Computers like they are mysterious and spend too much time teaching "Computers" instead of using Computers to teach everything else.
A web connected Tablet connected to everyones desk would be far more efficient than notebooks and the current tools, and a smartboard is far more efficient than a chalk board. Just like a calculator is far more efficient than Pen and Paper, you can learn math just fine with just a calculator, you can learn math with a computer.
And before some fool comes and says "You dont know math if you use a calculator, you dont know math is you use a computer"
Theres a difference between knowing math, and knowing how to work with numbers, number crunching is not knowing math.
Use computers as a tool or teaching device instead of treating computers as something seperate.
Why should you teach computer science? Computers are so common now this is like having a class on the science of using pen and paper, or having a class teaching how to use a calculator or word processor, sure you may need to take one class in your lifetime on this but currently most schools only do this.
Unless you go to a good school computers arent used properly. In college computers are used in a more proper fashion and it shows, look at how its done in college and do this in highschool.
A student can learn to read and write better with a computer than with any other tool, the dictionary book is not as efficient as spell check, and the best way to learn math is with computers because it allows you to focus on what really matters, the concepts of math instead of just stupid stuff like memorizing your multiplication tables, or other pointless calculations which your calculator or computer will do or which you can do by simply knowing that multiplication is just addition.
Math is currently taught wrong, its not that computers dont aid in teaching, they do, but only when teachers know how to use the computer as a tool to help them teach.
Teachers however are often dumber than their students when it comes to technology, we need to educate teachers so they know how to teach with software. I took a cisco academy class in which the whole class was computer based, I learned just fine from this although I wish we had more labs, this was the cisco academy, learning form computers is actually easier than learning from any book due to the addition of multimedia examples explaining things in greater detail, however some aspects of learning still require a teacher, and for something like networking its the physical aspect that was missing.
As for reading and math, theres no physical aspect to this, why dont some of you open source linux using programmer types make some math software? The reading software? Microsoft word, the internet, etc is just fine to teach people to read, hell buy them some old school RPGs like final fantasy, get them interested in reading for fun, parents have to do this, and a teacher simply has to give them assignments so they learn proper grammar, proper grammar is just knowing how to use Microsoft Word properly.
The reason computers arent working in education is because the money is being wasted on Microsoft Windows and other licenses instead of open source software, and due to the fact that buying computers designed for business work and not designed for education is a waste of time.
An ordinary computer should not be used for education, computers specifically designed for education should be used for education. Smartboards, which are far more advanced than ordinary chalk boards are proven to be more efficient tools for teaching. E-Learning which seems to work well in college only works due to the fact that specific software on the college level is created to teach specific subjects.
Honestly, when I learned from the software it was far more efficient than learning from a book. Usually teachers use books, but why not use software to teach kids? Software can be interactive and this allows students to learn Math and English better than from books. The reason its not working right now is because any new technology needs time to adapt to its enviornment. When computers were first invented we did not have the software to use the internet in the way we use it now, we didnt have the search engine, we didnt have peer to peer file sharing, half of the stuff we do now with the computer was not possible in the 80s, did they say in the 80s computers were useless? Hell no.
With Websites like Wikipedia http://www.wikipedia.org/
Dont you have a life?
Or is your single purpose in life to ruin the life of someone else?
I dont usually recommend suicide but people like you humanity has no real use for.
Yeah I'm primitive as hell right? I'm smart enough to know you dont beat the competition by copying them, then again maybe thats Why Microsoft always beat Apple, they dont innovate they copy.
What is microsoft doing this for? They dont make any sense.
they can fuck up your mind, put in false memories, like past lives and alien abduction memories into your head.
I was laying down on a couch and someone was changing my diaper, and I was given a mirror, I looked into the mirror confused, eventually i began to understand I was looking at myself and from this moment on I had self awareness and memory.
I can remember from Age 2.5 on up. I cannot remember anything from age 1.
any credible virus maker could easily distribute either a Linux or Windows versions of Quake3 with a virus embedded in it.
MD5 checksum or whatever the hell its called, the same way you figure out if an ISO or file is corrupt, you can find out if a Quake binary is corrupt, how would a virus embeded into a program get past a binary check? Unless the virus comes directly from ID software its not going to work.
Linux is not inheriently more virus-proof than Windows, but is so currently because of usage.
Ok lets assume you did somehow infect my system with a virus, consider the fact that I'm not in root by default like Windows, how would you infect my entire machine? At most you'd only infect one account on my machine because a virus would have no way of getting my root password, or at least no easy way.
No, patches work so that the virii/trojan/hack doesn't work in the first place. Usually, other software must clear any infection.
In order for patches to be written someone had to be infected in the first place, what if you happened to be one of the ones infected before the patch gets written? Usually its only a few thousand but sometimes it can be millions.
Uh, when was the last time you personally checked (as in auditted), every line of a large(r) project, such as KDE, GNOME, apache, Mozilla, OO, etc.., before you compiled it and installed it. Do you really trust the source after you compile it? There have been many instances where crackers hack into open source websites/mirrors, and put in trojans directly in the source.
I get my software from high quality sources, directly from mozilla, or directly from Redhat, Redhat checks every peice of software so by the time I get it there are no viruses unless someone hacks Redhat.
Of course, but people will if Linux ever gets a big chunk of the desktop/home market.
You dont understand my po-int, all of the best hackers are already trying to hack Linux, what do you think all of the hackers target? WindowsXP? Or Linux? Only newbie wannabe winnuke using subseven loving crackers deal with Windows, crackers usually are less skilled than hackers and go after the easiest target (Windows users), They break into peoples machines to destroy them, they have fun watching people suffer, these people arent always skilled.
Hackers however break into machines for specific purposes, usually because theres some information they want or need, such as an ex employee hacking into the companies servers to get information to screw the company over, or a group of guys who hack into paypal to steal credit information. Hackers go after high profile targets, not corny WindowsXP.
The reason WindowsXP has so many viruses infecting it is simply because its easy to write them, its easier to write a virus than it is to write real software in WindowsXP, consider how complicated the WindowsAPI is, its easier to write a file to do some low level function in C such as fill the drive up with junk, or log keystrokes, than to actually write a REAL application.
Hackers while they dont write Viruses do write worms and Linux will have to deal with Worms, unlike a Virus a worm breaks into your machine via some exploit or a bug in the code, copies enough information to spread itself to all your friends, and so on, such as a worm which you are infected with, which has code which activates when you run Gnutella and then runs the same exploit on all the Gnutella users as it ran on you, just so it can spread itself around, so that the hacker later on, then at a set date or at the time when its hooked into a certain amount of machines, it launches a denial of service attack against DNS servers.
This is an example of how Worms can work. Honestly though most virus writers arent skilled enough to do this, thats why theres only a handful of worms like Code Red.
Now, consider the fact that if everyone were using Linux, writing a worm would be the only way to actually infect Linux, you'd have to write a worm which infects a user through an exploit in the Linux source code such as a buffer overflow, then you'd have to somehow through a trick get their root password, such as making their screen go black and putting them in front of a loginscreen which looks exactly like theirs and catching their keystrokes, then putting them back on KDE or Gnome, you'd have to go through alot of trouble to hack into a Linux computer.
How many hackers would be able to do this? Maybe a few thousand? How quickly would Virii be patched? The same day the first person is infected, so a virus would not have enough time to spread like Windows Viruses do. Linux is very secure, if you think its easy to write a Virus to infect Linux and Windows, Do it, write a virus which infects both.
" That argument is not really valid. Every operating system supports virii and trojans. Granted, Windows has far many of them, but when patched/updated/auto-updated, something like WindowsXP should not be more prone to them than Linux. Windows just has way more virii and trojans as way more people use it.
If Linux ever conquers the desktop, you'll see many virii in it too."
How do you get infected by a virus on Linux when everything is open source? Compile the code if you are paraniod, but if not, use MD5 or whatever the hell its called to verify every file you run.
Theres no way to hide a trojan in a file in Linux, its impossible to hide them because you can compile code yourself, even if you are infected by a virus due to your own stupidity of not checking the code, your entire computer is not infected, but just one user account, a virus cannot gain root access easily, and neither can a trojan.
Fact is, Linux is already the main target of hackers, no one writes viruses to kill home users computers, Code Red and most of the major viruses were written to take control of servers, Servers run Linux, but it seems only NT gets infected by viruses these days.
Patches dont work because they only protect you after you've been infected.
CodeRed?
Just because you patch AFTER a virus is discovered does not mean you are safe.
You only patched after the fact, when Microsoft decides to make you the patch, what if you discover a bug or hackers discover a bug in windows and there is no patch? then you have to wait for Microsoft to patc h it and hope no other hackers know about the bug too.
Remember Winnuke?
Trojans too, and hidden exploits which would allow me to delete all your files from a website just like this one.
Why would I want a clone of XP? KDE does a good enouggh job doing it already.
I dont want anymore Linux XP clones, as if XP is such a great interface.
XP is crap, Clone OSX or something.
If they only buy from us and we never buy from them, we win.
When Xfree86 5.0 comes out thats when Linux will make its next advance on the desktop front.
Currently 4.3 is just 4.2 bug fixes with maybe a resize feature called randr
I would target a spring release for Redhat 8.1 and a Fall release for 8.2, then when Xfree5.0 comes out that will be Redhat 9.0 or 9.1
Its just KDE 3.0 with less bugs.
KDE 3.2 will have all the new features.
Upload it to Kazaa so the rest of us can download it from you
Dead Japanese people are proof, Japan will say it happened making it proof.
IF we said we nuked Japan but the Japanese never said it really happened how would you know without going to Japan yourself?
tinfoil wasnt invented yet AC
Faking the moon landing would strategically make the Soviets waste resources trying to copy us, its logical in the same way that lying and claiming flying saucers with aliens abducting people would create the kinda hysteria to make the soviets waste money investigating it.
By making your enemy fight enemies that dont exist, you can beat an army thats twice the size of your own. The cold war is what ruined the soviets, they were spending on everything, wasting money left and right, and we beat them because capitalism generates more money over longer periods of time than communism