1000+ on your SAT in junior high? What country do you live in? Our schools arent good enough to produce such scores.
calculator-enabled math is a fucking joke (in my day there WERE NO CALCULATORS ALLOWED.)
This is 2002, before paper was invented, people did math in their head, why dont you try it? You like the challenge of going without a calculator
That we can't even get HS seniors, with the benefit of a supposed 12 years of education to score decently on the SAT is merely a symptom of how bad the problem is. Seriously, why are we wasting money with remedial education for adults when we should have spent that money when they were still minors?
Because people like you are so focused on SAT scores and doing math without calculators that students never really learn to think, they just have to remember alot of useless facts, formulas, and other crap, when you are focused on remembering stuff you arent going to be able to think as well be creative.
The SAT being over 1000? This depends on who your teachers were, unless we drastically add to the school budget, like raise it to 100 billion and spread this money to all the right places, we arent going to be able to teach students mainly because the teachers suck, and the current way school is designed, students are held back by other students, and class structure. I think technology should be used more, so students can all learn at diffrent paces, and to allow the teacher to properly teach 30-40 kids in a class.
Perhaps you went to a private school, but most people did not.
As far as english, yes people should learn english from reading, but the problem is schools force students to read what THEY want them to read and this is one reason students dont learn to read as well as they would learn if they were reading what interests them.
Kids who like video games can learn to read playing final fantasy. Chatrooms and the web can also teach students to read. Allow the student the freedom to read whatever they want as long as it is within guidelines, and then make them write a paper about whatever they read, if it was a video game such, make them write a paper on it.
The main change school needs to make is to stop teaching useless facts, stop making kids learn to spell by giving them a dictionary and making them look up words and instead convince the kids to read more, even if it means creating a web based communication system for students to talk to each other with, have auto spell check built it so it corrects their errors for them, saving them time they'd have to spend doing things the way you did it.
John Dewey obviously was ignorant as hell if he actually believed all humans learn in exactly the same way.
Thats why some humans pick up math and some dont. Some people dont learn from repetition, in fact I hate repetition so I hated math all growing up, it was always repetitive as hell, solving random problems, etc.
Making people do slave labor and calculate stuff for no reason does nothing to teach them the actual concepts. I assume some people do learn math well through this, this is why some people do well in math, but not everyone does.
And that is when the transformation took place. Instead of teaching children to ask the right questions, it was the teacher who asked the questions and the student who answered them. Critical thinking was no longer a necessary aspect of learning. And THAT is the problem right there. People learn by asking questions and gathering information. Currently teachers dont do much but give students books, drill and practice sessions, and test them with a quiz.
And that is when the transformation took place. Instead of teaching children to ask the right questions, it was the teacher who asked the questions and the student who answered them. Critical thinking was no longer a necessary aspect of learning. One could merely develop the inhuman ability to memorize on end without any care as to its purpose. And then succeed. Some can do this, no doubt. Most likely, the abundance of Cocaine in numerous remedies for uncooperative children in the 1890's probably led some to believe humans could practice such tasks better than they otherwise could. Those complaining of stimulant use by children today are sadly ignorant of a tradition going back 120 years.
That is a GOOD point. I agree that the school system is almost mechanic in nature, it prevents people from having any creativity, and does not allow people to think, just gather information, memorize stuff, do drills, and take tests. Like some kind of robot.
Humans possess the spark of imagination that is wonderous in its abilities to do and create like never before. It is unfortunate when I see anyone creating the false dichotomy of beauty, art, and science, for they are all the same. We must teach children from the beginning to solve problems, to create what has never existed before, and help them along the way. Algreba should not be a subject in and of itself, it is the most basic form of deductive logic that should be a part of a simple logic class. Math in general should not be a stand alone subject, but taught as a tool in the course of study. This is how it should be.
We have followed John Dewey's advice for nearly one hundred years, that a child's brain should be poured full of knowledge. It is false, and destructive. We now have a nation of zombies, unable to question anything or solve any problems. They are hardly human, other than form. is it any wonder they merely stuff their faces with food and vicariously live out there sexual fantasies on television? They know nothing of humanity, they feel only the urges of animals. Eat and fuck, eat and fuck. Is this all life is? Of course, they cannot even ask THAT question...
Well if people were stupid enough to listen to Dewey and not einstien who failed math in school but who claimed the key to his success in math was his imagination and creativity.
It tells you something, the greatest scientists were not great because they could calculate and solve random problems, pass tests and remember their multiplication tables, they did good because they were good thinkers, who had creative minds, also having a bit of logic helps too.
Teaching people math for specific fields makes sense, but math is an art, not a science.
Just as chess is an art. Programming is an art etc.
Computational math is the math that most people learn in school, and this is why they hate math. Its all a bunch of rules and steps to solve problems, no one ENJOYS solving random problems, well most people dont anyhow. No one needs to learn all the rules or the steps as long as they understand the concepts. You can always look up the rules or steps later, but without understanding logic and the concept, you'll just be a calculator, math will never be an art to you.
You like computational math, but in my opinion i think computations are best left to computers and calculators.
The math I think most people should be learning today in 2002, should be logic, discrete math, fuzzy logic, etc
Schools do not exist to prepare people for the real world, if they do they certainly arent doing a good job because the majority of what you learn in school is bullshit.
What you need to learn for the real word, ethics and morality, critical thinking, creativity (helps with problem solving), finance (this is the only math you ever need to learn), reading, writing, and plenty of technology and science classes so you can understand the world as it is in 2002 and not as it was in the 1800s when people used libraries and typewriters.
*However* - nearly everyone has a hobby that involves a fair amount of math. Like cars? Math. Like sports? Statistics. Computer games? Etc, etc. You can't instill a love of math in students - especially at a level of basic algebra. But you can entice them to love math by showing them how they can apply it to things they already *do* enjoy.
People dont like doing useless calculations. People should learn the concepts. As long as math is taught in a stupid way, such as "solve this list of problems for the sake of solving them" well math sucks because its just solving random problems.
This isnt what math is about at all! Sure people use math when they watch sports, they use math when they play games like chess, they use math when they play tetris, even language and music is math.
Everyone can do math, its just the way its taught, its not math, its calculation. They dont teach you how to think they just make you into a human calculator. If you want to calculate stuff, use a computer.
You want to teach the concept of addition, however most people just tell you to memorize the answers. Memorize the time tables, they give you a list of problems and tell you to calculate the answers, they fill your head up with rules and useless crap, and this is why alot of people arent good at math.
I'm glad i didnt memorize all my multiplication tables, theres the calculator to do calculations. However because all they taught in school was calculations, It makes it harder for a person to understand the real math, like calculus, discrete math, logic, and the theory behind it.
The problem is with how math is taught, if you are trying to get people to use math you teach the concepts, expecting them to remember the rules when they will never use them, well its pointless, as pointless as expecting everyone to memorize every single linux command or every single programming command.
You remember what you use, what you dont use you look up in a book, or a refrence manual.
How many of you people would be able to code in C++ if you were forced to memorize every single peice of syntax and every rule ? Maybe John Carmack can do that but most people have better things to do.
Except I'm not a typical player and its not bragging; I think it illustrates a different mentality/lifestyle/population at Universities. More liberal? More fun? Who knows. The people in the corporate world are, in my experience, far more image/status/suburban-style-success oriented and I work now in about the most liberal type of corporate environment. I'd attribute 25% of the difference to subtle age difference (skews slightly older now), but I do think the University attracted less conventional people.
Whats being liberal have to do with wanting love over shagging 24/7?
Some men actually want to come home to a woman who loves them instead of bringing diffrent women to the home every few nights. Some men want or need a family. I dont think age has anything to do with this, its all in what the perosn wants.
Typical player type? You still sound like a player even if you arent typical, when you say stuff like "i get laid alot" and so on, where are all these women you shagged anyhow? I bet you dont even remember their names.
Once again nothing to brag about, I'm a man so I dont really care, but if i were a woman and read that garbage i'd stay away from you unless i was a slut or something.
And as a man, if I ever saw a woman telling me how she got laid alot, theres no way i'd be getting anywhere near her lol.
I think its ideal to have one woman who loves you instead of 100 women who are sex objects.
But if you are single i also think its ok to have sex with women, I just dont think its ok to brag about it on forums as if you are proud.
Well you can have sex with diffrent women, thats fine. But you SHOULD at least attempt to find a woman you love.
I cannot judge your intentions, I appologize for assuming you have bad intentions, but alot of guys are player types who just like to use women for sex. Its wrong to exploit women, as its wrong for women to exploit mens wallets.
My morals say its ok to have casual sex, my morals also say its bad to exploit people.
I dont really need sex with diffrent women, I could have sex with just one and be happy, so I dont have a problem with commitment. Of course the benifit to having one woman is love. Dont you want a woman who loves you?
* I worked in the administrative area, so there was no academic politics but there was politics, often hostile and highly personal.
Next time major in political science.
# There was never enough money, we ran our systems until they broke, without software that would have made many jobs much easier. The lack of resources often made who got what resources *intensely* political. You get paid for doing work, stop being lazy, and learn to be more political.
Good aspects of the University:
* Lots of campus discounts and freebies. Classes could be taken for next to nothing, if they weren't out-and-out free. Deep discounts at the bookstore on software and computer bits (this meant something 15 years ago).
Discounts are always good
* Awesome internet connectivity and network access. Our office's specific technology sucked goat nuts, but campuswide there was a shitpile of stuff that could be utilized and lots of smart people. What do you expect at a college campus?
* A really relaxed atmosphere -- from the bucolic surroundings, to pretty easy work and no slave hours. Once again its a college campus!
* I got laid A LOT. Time, place, people, general zeitgeist? Who knows, but it was sure easy. Typical player arent you? Getting laid alot is nothing to brag about unless its with the same woman.
There arent any real socialist or communist countries.
China never was communism, and there never was a true socialist country. Communism can only work when all the people are equal. Socialism can only work when theres true democracy. China or Europe never had true Democracy, hell USA doesnt have it either, we all have republics. Socialism can only work in a true Democracy where everyone can vote on anything.
Pure capitalism isnt how the USA was founded to begin with. USA had labor from slaves to build up the country, this was never a true capitalist nation.
Public schools didnt always exsist but they do now, police, libraries, healthcare, we are moving toward socialism.
Pure socialism we arent ready for, pure capitalism we have moved beyond. Some people want to go to pure capitalism but they dont understand in pure capitalism, the losers or people who dont benifit from it, will become terrorists, steal, rob and so on, theres no such thing as 100 percent employment, and even if there were, without a minimum wage employment wouldnt be fair employment, pure capitalism would create class warfare to the highest degree.
Ok when theres support for ATI and Nvidia cards and not just Matrox, then I'll pay attention.
I'm pretty damn sure my ATI which can do alpha channel in windows can do the same in linux, also consider the fact apple uses the ATI card too, oh and the Gforce definately has the power so lets not even go there.
What video card as you using? You forget theres going to be alot more problems, alot of hardware wont work with it, alot of software wont work with it. Just because you are lucky and it works for you doesnt mean it will work for everyone else. If it does work so well why arent we all using it?
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1000+ on your SAT in junior high? What country do you live in? Our schools arent good enough to produce such scores.
calculator-enabled math is a fucking joke (in my day there WERE NO CALCULATORS ALLOWED.)
This is 2002, before paper was invented, people did math in their head, why dont you try it? You like the challenge of going without a calculator
That we can't even get HS seniors, with the benefit of a supposed 12 years of education to score decently on the SAT is merely a symptom of how bad the problem is. Seriously, why are we wasting money with remedial education for adults when we should have spent that money when they were still minors?
Because people like you are so focused on SAT scores and doing math without calculators that students never really learn to think, they just have to remember alot of useless facts, formulas, and other crap, when you are focused on remembering stuff you arent going to be able to think as well be creative.
The SAT being over 1000? This depends on who your teachers were, unless we drastically add to the school budget, like raise it to 100 billion and spread this money to all the right places, we arent going to be able to teach students mainly because the teachers suck, and the current way school is designed, students are held back by other students, and class structure. I think technology should be used more, so students can all learn at diffrent paces, and to allow the teacher to properly teach 30-40 kids in a class.
Perhaps you went to a private school, but most people did not.
As far as english, yes people should learn english from reading, but the problem is schools force students to read what THEY want them to read and this is one reason students dont learn to read as well as they would learn if they were reading what interests them.
Kids who like video games can learn to read playing final fantasy. Chatrooms and the web can also teach students to read. Allow the student the freedom to read whatever they want as long as it is within guidelines, and then make them write a paper about whatever they read, if it was a video game such, make them write a paper on it.
The main change school needs to make is to stop teaching useless facts, stop making kids learn to spell by giving them a dictionary and making them look up words and instead convince the kids to read more, even if it means creating a web based communication system for students to talk to each other with, have auto spell check built it so it corrects their errors for them, saving them time they'd have to spend doing things the way you did it.
you order as many pizzas as you think they'd eat, find out the average amount each person would eat, and then buy enough pizzas for all of them.
You dont need math just common sense.
Solve for an unknown quantity? Never really had to do that but if I did theres a calculator.
Then when I need to use the formula i can just look at a little card or pull out my pda and look at the formula you have right there.
Its pointless to teach people to calculate. Teach them how to enter it into their calculator and push enter.
John Dewey obviously was ignorant as hell if he actually believed all humans learn in exactly the same way.
Thats why some humans pick up math and some dont. Some people dont learn from repetition, in fact I hate repetition so I hated math all growing up, it was always repetitive as hell, solving random problems, etc.
Making people do slave labor and calculate stuff for no reason does nothing to teach them the actual concepts. I assume some people do learn math well through this, this is why some people do well in math, but not everyone does.
And that is when the transformation took place. Instead of teaching children to ask the right questions, it was the teacher who asked the questions and the student who answered them. Critical thinking was no longer a necessary aspect of learning. And THAT is the problem right there. People learn by asking questions and gathering information. Currently teachers dont do much but give students books, drill and practice sessions, and test them with a quiz.
And that is when the transformation took place. Instead of teaching children to ask the right questions, it was the teacher who asked the questions and the student who answered them. Critical thinking was no longer a necessary aspect of learning. One could merely develop the inhuman ability to memorize on end without any care as to its purpose. And then succeed. Some can do this, no doubt. Most likely, the abundance of Cocaine in numerous remedies for uncooperative children in the 1890's probably led some to believe humans could practice such tasks better than they otherwise could. Those complaining of stimulant use by children today are sadly ignorant of a tradition going back 120 years.
That is a GOOD point. I agree that the school system is almost mechanic in nature, it prevents people from having any creativity, and does not allow people to think, just gather information, memorize stuff, do drills, and take tests. Like some kind of robot.
Humans possess the spark of imagination that is wonderous in its abilities to do and create like never before. It is unfortunate when I see anyone creating the false dichotomy of beauty, art, and science, for they are all the same. We must teach children from the beginning to solve problems, to create what has never existed before, and help them along the way. Algreba should not be a subject in and of itself, it is the most basic form of deductive logic that should be a part of a simple logic class. Math in general should not be a stand alone subject, but taught as a tool in the course of study.
This is how it should be.
We have followed John Dewey's advice for nearly one hundred years, that a child's brain should be poured full of knowledge. It is false, and destructive. We now have a nation of zombies, unable to question anything or solve any problems. They are hardly human, other than form. is it any wonder they merely stuff their faces with food and vicariously live out there sexual fantasies on television? They know nothing of humanity, they feel only the urges of animals. Eat and fuck, eat and fuck. Is this all life is? Of course, they cannot even ask THAT question...
Well if people were stupid enough to listen to Dewey and not einstien who failed math in school but who claimed the key to his success in math was his imagination and creativity.
It tells you something, the greatest scientists were not great because they could calculate and solve random problems, pass tests and remember their multiplication tables, they did good because they were good thinkers, who had creative minds, also having a bit of logic helps too.
Teaching people math for specific fields makes sense, but math is an art, not a science.
Just as chess is an art. Programming is an art etc.
Computational math is the math that most people learn in school, and this is why they hate math. Its all a bunch of rules and steps to solve problems, no one ENJOYS solving random problems, well most people dont anyhow. No one needs to learn all the rules or the steps as long as they understand the concepts. You can always look up the rules or steps later, but without understanding logic and the concept, you'll just be a calculator, math will never be an art to you.
You like computational math, but in my opinion i think computations are best left to computers and calculators.
The math I think most people should be learning today in 2002, should be logic, discrete math, fuzzy logic, etc
Schools do not exist to prepare people for the real world, if they do they certainly arent doing a good job because the majority of what you learn in school is bullshit.
What you need to learn for the real word, ethics and morality, critical thinking, creativity (helps with problem solving), finance (this is the only math you ever need to learn), reading, writing, and plenty of technology and science classes so you can understand the world as it is in 2002 and not as it was in the 1800s when people used libraries and typewriters.
*However* - nearly everyone has a hobby that involves a fair amount of math. Like cars? Math. Like sports? Statistics. Computer games? Etc, etc. You can't instill a love of math in students - especially at a level of basic algebra. But you can entice them to love math by showing them how they can apply it to things they already *do* enjoy.
People dont like doing useless calculations. People should learn the concepts. As long as math is taught in a stupid way, such as "solve this list of problems for the sake of solving them" well math sucks because its just solving random problems.
This isnt what math is about at all! Sure people use math when they watch sports, they use math when they play games like chess, they use math when they play tetris, even language and music is math.
Everyone can do math, its just the way its taught, its not math, its calculation. They dont teach you how to think they just make you into a human calculator. If you want to calculate stuff, use a computer.
Its calculation. 1 + 1 is 2, 2 + 2 is 4.
You want to teach the concept of addition, however most people just tell you to memorize the answers. Memorize the time tables, they give you a list of problems and tell you to calculate the answers, they fill your head up with rules and useless crap, and this is why alot of people arent good at math.
I'm glad i didnt memorize all my multiplication tables, theres the calculator to do calculations. However because all they taught in school was calculations, It makes it harder for a person to understand the real math, like calculus, discrete math, logic, and the theory behind it.
The problem is with how math is taught, if you are trying to get people to use math you teach the concepts, expecting them to remember the rules when they will never use them, well its pointless, as pointless as expecting everyone to memorize every single linux command or every single programming command.
You remember what you use, what you dont use you look up in a book, or a refrence manual.
How many of you people would be able to code in C++ if you were forced to memorize every single peice of syntax and every rule ? Maybe John Carmack can do that but most people have better things to do.
The way not to get diseases is to instead of looking to get laid, look to actually find a girl you can love.
Set your priorities.
Except I'm not a typical player and its not bragging; I think it illustrates a different mentality/lifestyle/population at Universities. More liberal? More fun? Who knows. The people in the corporate world are, in my experience, far more image/status/suburban-style-success oriented and I work now in about the most liberal type of corporate environment. I'd attribute 25% of the difference to subtle age difference (skews slightly older now), but I do think the University attracted less conventional people.
Whats being liberal have to do with wanting love over shagging 24/7?
Some men actually want to come home to a woman who loves them instead of bringing diffrent women to the home every few nights. Some men want or need a family. I dont think age has anything to do with this, its all in what the perosn wants.
Typical player type? You still sound like a player even if you arent typical, when you say stuff like "i get laid alot" and so on, where are all these women you shagged anyhow? I bet you dont even remember their names.
Once again nothing to brag about, I'm a man so I dont really care, but if i were a woman and read that garbage i'd stay away from you unless i was a slut or something.
And as a man, if I ever saw a woman telling me how she got laid alot, theres no way i'd be getting anywhere near her lol.
I think its ideal to have one woman who loves you instead of 100 women who are sex objects.
But if you are single i also think its ok to have sex with women, I just dont think its ok to brag about it on forums as if you are proud.
Well you can have sex with diffrent women, thats fine.
But you SHOULD at least attempt to find a woman you love.
I cannot judge your intentions, I appologize for assuming you have bad intentions, but alot of guys are player types who just like to use women for sex.
Its wrong to exploit women, as its wrong for women to exploit mens wallets.
My morals say its ok to have casual sex, my morals also say its bad to exploit people.
I dont really need sex with diffrent women, I could have sex with just one and be happy, so I dont have a problem with commitment. Of course the benifit to having one woman is love. Dont you want a woman who loves you?
Do you not have morals? I suppose most people dont.
Theres politics in every field, the corperate world has just as many politics.
Learn to either avoid opening yourself up to attack, or to attack other people who become threats.
Crap aspects of the Univerisity:
* I worked in the administrative area, so there was no academic politics but there was politics, often hostile and highly personal.
Next time major in political science.
# There was never enough money, we ran our systems until they broke, without software that would have made many jobs much easier. The lack of resources often made who got what resources *intensely* political.
You get paid for doing work, stop being lazy, and learn to be more political.
Good aspects of the University:
* Lots of campus discounts and freebies. Classes could be taken for next to nothing, if they weren't out-and-out free. Deep discounts at the bookstore on software and computer bits (this meant something 15 years ago).
Discounts are always good
* Awesome internet connectivity and network access. Our office's specific technology sucked goat nuts, but campuswide there was a shitpile of stuff that could be utilized and lots of smart people.
What do you expect at a college campus?
* A really relaxed atmosphere -- from the bucolic surroundings, to pretty easy work and no slave hours.
Once again its a college campus!
* I got laid A LOT. Time, place, people, general zeitgeist? Who knows, but it was sure easy.
Typical player arent you? Getting laid alot is nothing to brag about unless its with the same woman.
Expect to deal with alot of academic politics
60 percent socialist and 40 percent capitalist
There arent any real socialist or communist countries.
China never was communism, and there never was a true socialist country. Communism can only work when all the people are equal. Socialism can only work when theres true democracy. China or Europe never had true Democracy, hell USA doesnt have it either, we all have republics. Socialism can only work in a true Democracy where everyone can vote on anything.
Pure capitalism isnt how the USA was founded to begin with. USA had labor from slaves to build up the country, this was never a true capitalist nation.
Public schools didnt always exsist but they do now, police, libraries, healthcare, we are moving toward socialism.
Pure socialism we arent ready for, pure capitalism we have moved beyond. Some people want to go to pure capitalism but they dont understand in pure capitalism, the losers or people who dont benifit from it, will become terrorists, steal, rob and so on, theres no such thing as 100 percent employment, and even if there were, without a minimum wage employment wouldnt be fair employment, pure capitalism would create class warfare to the highest degree.
And it also proves, along with gnutella, napster etc that socialism does work at least for technology
no i think ill go down on jobs one more time for the hell of it
YUM!
Billy you are next!
C++ sucks, I'll never like it as a language even if its powerful.
No EVAS is doing OGL, Enlightenment cant to do it.
which means in its current state it sucks.
Ok when theres support for ATI and Nvidia cards and not just Matrox, then I'll pay attention.
I'm pretty damn sure my ATI which can do alpha channel in windows can do the same in linux, also consider the fact apple uses the ATI card too, oh and the Gforce definately has the power so lets not even go there.
What video card as you using? You forget theres going to be alot more problems, alot of hardware wont work with it, alot of software wont work with it. Just because you are lucky and it works for you doesnt mean it will work for everyone else. If it does work so well why arent we all using it?
we know that, but we want to be able to run KDE and gnome. We NEED X for compatibility reasons.