The fight is just beginning! Its not even close to being over. This should prove that fighting back works more than begging politicians with emails and letters.
You see this is the exact situation we want to put the RIAA legally. We want it to be he said she said situations where they cannot prove a damn thing.
So yes, this could be illegal but it could also be legal, meaning its legal, just like the VCR.
Yes it could hurt small time artists, and I never said I had the cure for piracy, I do think people would pay for music if it were cheap enough, I'd pay 50 cent per song, maybe $5 per CD, you know,something reasonable.
Its the radio station who profits actually. The RIAA is paying the radio stations to play their music, thats exactly why the radio stations wont play indie label music.
Dont you get it, the RIAA pays for radio and treats it like marketing, because they can control radio, they do the same with TV, the internet and P2p however they cannot control.
You are right, but theres also very little evidence to back up the RIAA's claims. Its about having a counter arguement to the claim that file sharing hurts sales.
It proves that depending on your stats you can come to any conclusion you want.
Can we all join forces for once, left and right and vote Bush out? We know Bush is not a conservative or a liberal so hes pissing off both sides here. He spends way too much money, and he cuts social programs at the same time.
Dean is the most electable of the people running, hes a moderate, meaning no matter what side you are on, you can at least admit Dean would be better than Bush.
I dont support Dean on everything, hes alittle bit too fiscally conservative, but thats what our country needs right now after Bush wasted all our money.
Because my option is Big Gov with Dean, or even bigger Gov with Bush.
We dont have any conservatives running for office right now.
Also unlike Bush, Dean is actually intelligent, So this is the choice of the lessor of two evils.
Third, Big Gov, or big Corporations, its the same result in the end, giving the RIAA more power and supporting big business = big corporate government.
Bush wants a corporate controlled government while Dean wants a democracy.
This is not about liberal vs conservative, because there are no conservatives running, you know Bush isnt, gov is bigger under Bush than it has ever been, Bush has spent us into a deficit, Bush supports corporate welfare.
IF you fear Big Gov vote Bush out,if Dean is the one most likely to get Bush out, well then vote for Dean you fool.
You are right I dont decide if my money is enough to give you something, the problem exists only when what you are giving me is impossible for you to contain or control, meaning its not tangible, such as information.
You do not have complete control of information, its impossible to control it, or contain it.
I understand copyright as it applies to physical objects and it makes since when you have a copyright on something physical, this however stops making sense when we move beyond the printing press to the digital world, where you can make unlimited copies for no cost, with no physical limitation, with no physical limitation to copying, copyright becomes impossible to enforce.
" If you decide not to buy something, you don't have it. If you decide to get something for free, instead of buying from me, you have it, and I don't have my money."
Point is, I decide what to do with my money, period. You dont decide what I do with my money, you cannot sue me for deciding not to spend my money on your products, and if I can get your product for free thats your problem not mine.
Look, if someone gives away free food I'm taking it, if someone gives away free clothes I'm taking it, I'm not rich so I take stuff thats free, this should be pure logic here, anything creature or human usually takes whats free.
This does not mean the same person will pay for whats free, or that whats free is valueable. I will take whats free because those are the rules of the game, you take what you can, I dont care about the company, never did, I only care about what value that company has to offer me.
Look, I'd never buy Photoshop, but I will use photoshop if someone lets me sit at their computer and use it.
I will also use gimp the free alternative to photoshop and I will promote gimp the free alternative, simply because its free.
When you are poor, and your friends are poor, you use whats free first, even if it provides less value, because when you dont have a million dollars, sometimes its free or nothing.
In the case of photoshop, if you are an artist, and you can get access to photoshop, TAKE IT, dont be the idiot who decides not to use photoshop and who cant find a job, be the smart person who takes advantage of the situation. Believe me if you dont someone else will, so get yours before they get theirs.
Because if you can rent CDs, you can reduce the profits of the RIAA even more than if you sell used CDs. If you can listen to rented music for $1 that will kill the RIAA's profit margins. Not to mention, the more people who rent it, the more it will be copied and in circulation, it will be a huge domino effect.
Say someone buys a CD, and they copy it for themselves on CDR, then they put the brand new CD back in the case and sell it on Ebay, and everyone who gets the CD does this for infinity.
Technically the RIAA wont make shit, it will be completely legal, and you'll be selling used CDs which are used yet so close to being like new that no one will care.
Also you can set up a CD exchange network too so people can exchange CDs.
I already thought of that idea a long time ago, the reason I didnt go through with it is, well if I wrote THAT virus they'd lock me up forever, label me a terrorist, and treat me worse than mitnick.
The terrorists assumed that by attacking our economy, that we'd suddenly see what we were doing wrong in the middle east, pull back, and bargain with them, that suddenly we devils in America would see the light and stop messing around in the middle east.
What happened? It pissed the whole country off, made us declare war on the middle east, and made us get even MORE involved.
follow the trends, when Americans are attacked they always fight back, they never just give up, it didnt happen during the Tea Party in Boston, it didnt happen on 911, why would it happen now?
Its suddenly robbing you of profits? Thats assuming that I'd buy something before I decided!!!
Cant you see the flawed logic? This is like Microsoft saying all Linux users are thieves because they decided not to buy Microsoft Windows!
I mean its assuming every PC purchased must include a copy of Windows because everyone just has to buy Windows.
Its bullshit, when people choose not to buy something, they arent going to buy it because it costs too much or because they just dont want it, this is not going to change if they get access to it for free, or not, because they already know they arent buying it.
I may hear Britney Spears CD on the radio, but I'm not going to buy it no matter how many times I hear her music, I will listen to it, but I wont buy it.
Thats why we promote the sale of "used" cds. Meaning re-sale of CDs, or even the renting of music CDs.
It will be a slow process, but once people find out how much money they can save buying used they wont buy new, and once they stop buying new the RIAA gets hit in the pocket.
Also we slowly using the power of the internet hype up musicians who arent signed to big record companies yet who have lots of talent, over time the small labels and internet companies will gain more money and marketshare until eventually the whole music industry is online.
You cannot scare a person into buying music, you can scare them into not listening to your music anymore, but hey if they dont listen to your music anymore they wont buy your music.
So its a lose lose situation for the RIAA. They wont have any customers left to sell to. In the end their industry will die and be replaced by internet companies like Napster, Kazaa, Mp3.com, etc.
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Until CDs are around $5.
You are right they are robbing both consumers and musicians, so lets fight them back. Stop buying their music.
We are fighting back. People are boycotting, people are buying used CDs, people are setting up sites like
http://www.downhillbattle.org/
And http://www.boycott-riaa.com/
The fight is just beginning! Its not even close to being over. This should prove that fighting back works more than begging politicians with emails and letters.
You see everyone! We are winning! Everyone posted saying theres nothing we can do. Just look at what this dumbass Alex said, I bet he feels stupid now
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=77075&cid=685
How do you feel now Alex?
How do they know you dont already own it?
You see this is the exact situation we want to put the RIAA legally. We want it to be he said she said situations where they cannot prove a damn thing.
So yes, this could be illegal but it could also be legal, meaning its legal, just like the VCR.
Yes it could hurt small time artists, and I never said I had the cure for piracy, I do think people would pay for music if it were cheap enough, I'd pay 50 cent per song, maybe $5 per CD, you know
Ok, I can go along with that. How much would it cost for a redistribution license instead?
Oh wait we arent even given the option!
We arent even given the option to be legal distributor! Why? Because if we were the RIAA wouldnt be useful anymore.
Wake up, its not about profits its about power.
Its the radio station who profits actually. The RIAA is paying the radio stations to play their music, thats exactly why the radio stations wont play indie label music.
Dont you get it, the RIAA pays for radio and treats it like marketing, because they can control radio, they do the same with TV, the internet and P2p however they cannot control.
You are right, but theres also very little evidence to back up the RIAA's claims. Its about having a counter arguement to the claim that file sharing hurts sales.
It proves that depending on your stats you can come to any conclusion you want.
You are a smart guy. You explained PERFECTLY.
Can we all join forces for once, left and right and vote Bush out? We know Bush is not a conservative or a liberal so hes pissing off both sides here. He spends way too much money, and he cuts social programs at the same time.
Dean is the most electable of the people running, hes a moderate, meaning no matter what side you are on, you can at least admit Dean would be better than Bush.
I dont support Dean on everything, hes alittle bit too fiscally conservative, but thats what our country needs right now after Bush wasted all our money.
Because my option is Big Gov with Dean, or even bigger Gov with Bush.
We dont have any conservatives running for office right now.
Also unlike Bush, Dean is actually intelligent, So this is the choice of the lessor of two evils.
Third, Big Gov, or big Corporations, its the same result in the end, giving the RIAA more power and supporting big business = big corporate government.
Bush wants a corporate controlled government while
Dean wants a democracy.
This is not about liberal vs conservative, because there are no conservatives running, you know Bush isnt, gov is bigger under Bush than it has ever been, Bush has spent us into a deficit, Bush supports corporate welfare.
IF you fear Big Gov vote Bush out,if Dean is the one most likely to get Bush out, well then vote for Dean you fool.
Its all about getting the current trash out.
I mean at that point China will be more free than the USA, when capitalism rules over government theres no democracy left to protect.
You are right I dont decide if my money is enough to give you something, the problem exists only when what you are giving me is impossible for you to contain or control, meaning its not tangible, such as information.
You do not have complete control of information, its impossible to control it, or contain it.
I understand copyright as it applies to physical objects and it makes since when you have a copyright on something physical, this however stops making sense when we move beyond the printing press to the digital world, where you can make unlimited copies for no cost, with no physical limitation, with no physical limitation to copying, copyright becomes impossible to enforce.
" If you decide not to buy something, you don't have it.
If you decide to get something for free, instead of buying from me, you have it, and I don't have my money."
Point is, I decide what to do with my money, period. You dont decide what I do with my money, you cannot sue me for deciding not to spend my money on your products, and if I can get your product for free thats your problem not mine.
Look, if someone gives away free food I'm taking it, if someone gives away free clothes I'm taking it, I'm not rich so I take stuff thats free, this should be pure logic here, anything creature or human usually takes whats free.
This does not mean the same person will pay for whats free, or that whats free is valueable. I will take whats free because those are the rules of the game, you take what you can, I dont care about the company, never did, I only care about what value that company has to offer me.
Look, I'd never buy Photoshop, but I will use photoshop if someone lets me sit at their computer and use it.
I will also use gimp the free alternative to photoshop and I will promote gimp the free alternative, simply because its free.
When you are poor, and your friends are poor, you use whats free first, even if it provides less value, because when you dont have a million dollars, sometimes its free or nothing.
In the case of photoshop, if you are an artist, and you can get access to photoshop, TAKE IT, dont be the idiot who decides not to use photoshop and who cant find a job, be the smart person who takes advantage of the situation. Believe me if you dont someone else will, so get yours before they get theirs.
Of course not, but theres no way for the RIAA to EVER know if you made a copy or not.
So its legal due to the fact that its impossible for them to know who copies and who just sells.
Write the software or find a way to do it through amazon. Call it the CD exchange network.
Because if you can rent CDs, you can reduce the profits of the RIAA even more than if you sell used CDs. If you can listen to rented music for $1 that will kill the RIAA's profit margins. Not to mention, the more people who rent it, the more it will be copied and in circulation, it will be a huge domino effect.
Yes you can buy a used copy of a new CD.
Say someone buys a CD, and they copy it for themselves on CDR, then they put the brand new CD back in the case and sell it on Ebay, and everyone who gets the CD does this for infinity.
Technically the RIAA wont make shit, it will be completely legal, and you'll be selling used CDs which are used yet so close to being like new that no one will care.
Also you can set up a CD exchange network too so people can exchange CDs.
What is this? Soviet Union? Why should companies be able to live on tax money?!
Thats absolute bullshit, even for Canada.
I already thought of that idea a long time ago, the reason I didnt go through with it is, well if I wrote THAT virus they'd lock me up forever, label me a terrorist, and treat me worse than mitnick.
I want to fight the war, but not like that.
And why is that?
Maybe we should focus on getting around that ridiculous law.
The terrorists assumed that by attacking our economy, that we'd suddenly see what we were doing wrong in the middle east, pull back, and bargain with them, that suddenly we devils in America would see the light and stop messing around in the middle east.
What happened? It pissed the whole country off, made us declare war on the middle east, and made us get even MORE involved.
follow the trends, when Americans are attacked they always fight back, they never just give up, it didnt happen during the Tea Party in Boston, it didnt happen on 911, why would it happen now?
Its legal to boycott and copy, its illegal to distribute.
Think before you post next time Mr. wise joker.
Its suddenly robbing you of profits? Thats assuming that I'd buy something before I decided!!!
Cant you see the flawed logic? This is like Microsoft saying all Linux users are thieves because they decided not to buy Microsoft Windows!
I mean its assuming every PC purchased must include a copy of Windows because everyone just has to buy Windows.
Its bullshit, when people choose not to buy something, they arent going to buy it because it costs too much or because they just dont want it, this is not going to change if they get access to it for free, or not, because they already know they arent buying it.
I may hear Britney Spears CD on the radio, but I'm not going to buy it no matter how many times I hear her music, I will listen to it, but I wont buy it.
Thats why we promote the sale of "used" cds. Meaning re-sale of CDs, or even the renting of music CDs.
It will be a slow process, but once people find out how much money they can save buying used they wont buy new, and once they stop buying new the RIAA gets hit in the pocket.
Also we slowly using the power of the internet hype up musicians who arent signed to big record companies yet who have lots of talent, over time the small labels and internet companies will gain more money and marketshare until eventually the whole music industry is online.
Just like CDs replaced cassettes.
Make a P2P app which hosts indie labels and has reviews
you could make a site but then you have bandwidth issues, why not use P2P technology?
You cannot scare a person into buying music, you can scare them into not listening to your music anymore, but hey if they dont listen to your music anymore they wont buy your music.
So its a lose lose situation for the RIAA. They wont have any customers left to sell to. In the end their industry will die and be replaced by internet companies like Napster, Kazaa, Mp3.com, etc.