I couldn't? Who the fuck do you think you are that you can make a statement like that about me?
My point is, you didnt learn English in school.
Actually, I did get 1500s on my SATs, thank you very much. But if you say that I couldn't have, well then who am I to argue?
If you did its because you taught yourself English by reading alot of books. You didnt learn it by practice and I say you most likely wrote poor English papers in college because you yourself said you didnt practice writing all through highschool, everyone knows that humans get rusty at thinga when they dont practice for 4-5 years.
If you truely believe this, you also support direct democracy meaning no congress, no senate, just votes deciding all the laws. You also would agree that affirmative action must be a requirement, you believe that every student should have access to a lawyer to dispute every grade paid for by the US-Gov etc.
The problem with your society of pandering, special interests etc is, it causes ALOT of lawsuits.
The kid who gets the bad grade will call their lawyer, teachers will get fired over it, kids who are dumb but who have alot of money will get all As, kids who are minorities will get good grades just because they are a minority, and everything will be decided on the emotional whims of the people.
Imagine how a direct democracy would be, after 911 all the Arabs in the country would be beaten and burned to death.
Is this an English class? Had I known I were being graded perhaps I would have spent 10 minutes or so writing a perfect response in perfect English instead of 20 seconds writing a paragraph in readable yet easy to write English.
So because a school doesn't teach to a standardized test it isn't a "focused education"? It seems to me that the common denominator isn't public schools, it's the automatic nature of SATs.
SATs are flawed yes, but thats how the game works right now, the job of highschool should be to get a student into the best college/university possible. School should prepare you for the next level, Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, whatever.
Automated is good because theres less chance of error, and its almost always fair.
The only way to get fair grades in university is to be smart enough to pick the right teachers, and drop the ones who you dont get along with.
I heard a statistic once that if you chose answers randomly on a MC test that you could get a C by not knowing anything beyond how to circle a letter! ----- Discovering this, I made sure that I took all the obsure english classes that had no more than 30 people in them. An unexpected positive side effect to this system of choosing courses was that 90% of the other students in them were girls. Yea, life was good.;-) [ Reply to This ]
Who wants a C? Thats as good as an F in college, if you get a C you can just drop the class and take it again!
I dont really like small classes myself, there is no real benefit, what I notice from smaller classes is, teachers are more critical of you, you get greater punishment for poor attendence or for being late to class, you also get more focus from the teacher and this can be good or bad depending on if the teacher likes you or not.
If the teacher likes you, getting this extra focus is a very good thing because a personal connection with a teacher who likes you is to your benefit, however if the teacher dislikes you and decides to personally focus on you, this is bad.
Student shouldnt be such cry babies, I mean if they do a paper and get a bad grade by the computer theres no one to blame but themselves. You can make the code open source and let the kid look at the code himself for all I care, you can run diagnostic tests, you can do whatever you want, but chances are the computer didnt fuck up, chances are the student did.
Because humans dont make logical or fair decisions. Often a human will give you a bad grade because they just dont like your paper, or because they dont like you, or they may give you a good grade because you make them like you, and because you have alot of power and influence and they fear you might bring a set of lawyers after them.
I'm all about making the school system as fair as possible, we cant do that when humans who are naturally unfair are making all the decisions.
Its simple, you work hard, you write a perfect paper, your grade should be A. You slack off and you write a bad paper, your grade should be F.
Why should an athelete, or some George Bush character get an A when their papers suck?
You werent taught English. I'm not trying to insult you but thats one of the problems with our public schools, they dont do a good job teaching
When I went to high school 15 years ago, we didn't do any grammar in high school English class, it was all read-and-interpret (i.e. read-and-make-up-some-bullshit).
Yes and thats why when you got to college you couldnt write a good research paper.
We were supposed to learn the technical stuff in middle school (and we did to some degree).
You are supposed to learn English through highschool as well, if you want to get a 1500+ on your SATs. This is exactly why students get such low SAT scores in urban public schools, they dont get a focused education, when its time to take tests the test does not care how creative you are or even how intelligent you are, the only thing that matters to the SAT test is your technical knowledge.
Teach technical English and later on let a person learn creativity.
What do you mean? If you dont know English using the word grammar checker wont help you write your paper.
If you do know English te word grammar checker should be used to write perfect technical papers. Its possible to write perfect technical papers, I do it all the time in college, its like standard here if you want an A.
I agree with you, its time we do remove the human factor. Why not let computers do what humans are proven to be unable to do without constant errors due to emotion or other human difficulties?
Let the computer grade the technical side and the human grade the creative side, this way there is no way someone who writes a person paper which a teacher does not like can get an F.
I'm sick of rich upper class morons buying and pandering their way through school. If we used computers to do all the grading there is no way George W Bush would have made it through highschool and I'm damn sure he wouldnt have got a degree from Yale.
Teachers like politicians can be bribed, and the problem with this is, he who has the money or power gets the A.
Essays have two aspects, spelling/grammar, and content.
Right now the computer can grade the technical side of a paper, and the teacher can grade the creative side. Now if the essay is for English class, the focus should be on the technical side of papers, so the computer can judge the whole paper from A to F on spelling and grammar.
Really it depends on the class. English classes especially in highschool are all about improving grammar and technical ability, you dont actually do any creative writing until college usually.
I don't like it. Part of the learning experience, especially in the subjects of arts and philosophy, is being judged by another human being (or group of human beings) and having your work subject to their myriad of emotions and intellectual whims. A system like Criteria removes the very complex aspect of education: the human mind.
When your judge is a human, alot of getting a good grade is knowing how to pander. Do we really want to reward pandering in society? Or do we want to grade people on actual merit?
Without computers we wouldn't be advancing in science, astronomy, genetics, or mathematics as rapidly as we have been in recent years. They are wonderful things. Hell, computers even help me keep a roof over my head. But I don't want Hal judging my kid's school papers.
Hal doesnt make mistakes, (or at least makes less errors than an overworked teacher), Hal will give your kid the exact grade he/she deserves and if you are afraid of your kid getting the fair grade perhaps you just dont believe your kid is smart enough to be graded by a precise computer.
Thats you and your kids problem, I dont really fear computers at all, I'm confident that I'd get the same grade either way because I dont pander, I dont bribe teachers, I dont do any ass kissing.
High School/Public School education is a joke in the U.S. Student's don't even know algebra by the time they graduate with A's in math.
Thats because math isnt taught in a way so that people actually learn it. You dont learn math by memorization alone but thats how its taught, its just rote memorization.
Also students dont know math very well because we distract them with a hell of alot of other subjects, like history, PE, and all those elective s which just waste time.
It says it uses centralized servers, but if we had a way to make it P2P, or perhaps a P2P plugin, this could allow many many more features, you could have a database which learns about files and automatically corrects bad filenames etc. "An example given is using the name and length of a Divx file to search IMDB to get all the relevant information about a film."
Why have a centralized internet movie database when you can have a decentralized P2P database? I mean everyone will essentially have a database filesystem right? It will be easy to use right? Why not make it P2P and let it self heal?
Nigger does not mean black, the fact that you believe nigger=black is proof that you are a bigot.
You hear "nigger" and the first picture that comes to your mind is a black man, you hear "gay" and the first picture that comes to your mind is a homosexual.
So this is proof to all of slashdot that you are a racist homophobe, you fell for the trap sucker.
And yes you are a very gay nigger for falling for such a trap.
When did I say it was an "entity" ? Your name sure as hell fits your personality you ignorant fool.
I know the RIAA is a group of for profit companies, allies, and I personally treat them as one entity.
Now dumbass, I hope whoever mods this reads through your list of idiotic comments that you've made on slashdot and mods them all down including this one.
Of course, they'll see that certain bands aren't selling and will drop them in favor of yet more studio-created band designed by focus groups, thereby killing off that which you're trying to save.
On the other hand, you could do the opposite and buy more of a certain band and style and show them that it sells.
Why buy from them at all?
I'm not talking about boycotting specific bands, I'm saying boycott the RIAA itself. If we dont buy ANY of their music they can go ahead and waste a fortune trying to create new trendy bands, its not like anyone will buy it.
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Money cant bribe a computer.
I couldn't? Who the fuck do you think you are that you can make a statement like that about me?
My point is, you didnt learn English in school.
Actually, I did get 1500s on my SATs, thank you very much. But if you say that I couldn't have, well then who am I to argue?
If you did its because you taught yourself English by reading alot of books. You didnt learn it by practice and I say you most likely wrote poor English papers in college because you yourself said you didnt practice writing all through highschool, everyone knows that humans get rusty at thinga when they dont practice for 4-5 years.
If you truely believe this, you also support direct democracy meaning no congress, no senate, just votes deciding all the laws. You also would agree that affirmative action must be a requirement, you believe that every student should have access to a lawyer to dispute every grade paid for by the US-Gov etc.
The problem with your society of pandering, special interests etc is, it causes ALOT of lawsuits.
The kid who gets the bad grade will call their lawyer, teachers will get fired over it, kids who are dumb but who have alot of money will get all As, kids who are minorities will get good grades just because they are a minority, and everything will be decided on the emotional whims of the people.
Imagine how a direct democracy would be, after 911 all the Arabs in the country would be beaten and burned to death.
Is this an English class? Had I known I were being graded perhaps I would have spent 10 minutes or so writing a perfect response in perfect English instead of 20 seconds writing a paragraph in readable yet easy to write English.
So because a school doesn't teach to a standardized test it isn't a "focused education"? It seems to me that the common denominator isn't public schools, it's the automatic nature of SATs.
SATs are flawed yes, but thats how the game works right now, the job of highschool should be to get a student into the best college/university possible. School should prepare you for the next level, Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, whatever.
Yes, which is why you must know English to use it. Its a tool, its not the cure for bad English.
Automated is good because theres less chance of error, and its almost always fair.
The only way to get fair grades in university is to be smart enough to pick the right teachers, and drop the ones who you dont get along with.
I heard a statistic once that if you chose answers randomly on a MC test that you could get a C by not knowing anything beyond how to circle a letter! ----- Discovering this, I made sure that I took all the obsure english classes that had no more than 30 people in them. An unexpected positive side effect to this system of choosing courses was that 90% of the other students in them were girls. Yea, life was good.
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Who wants a C? Thats as good as an F in college, if you get a C you can just drop the class and take it again!
I dont really like small classes myself, there is no real benefit, what I notice from smaller classes is, teachers are more critical of you, you get greater punishment for poor attendence or for being late to class, you also get more focus from the teacher and this can be good or bad depending on if the teacher likes you or not.
If the teacher likes you, getting this extra focus is a very good thing because a personal connection with a teacher who likes you is to your benefit, however if the teacher dislikes you and decides to personally focus on you, this is bad.
Student shouldnt be such cry babies, I mean if they do a paper and get a bad grade by the computer theres no one to blame but themselves. You can make the code open source and let the kid look at the code himself for all I care, you can run diagnostic tests, you can do whatever you want, but chances are the computer didnt fuck up, chances are the student did.
Because humans dont make logical or fair decisions. Often a human will give you a bad grade because they just dont like your paper, or because they dont like you, or they may give you a good grade because you make them like you, and because you have alot of power and influence and they fear you might bring a set of lawyers after them.
I'm all about making the school system as fair as possible, we cant do that when humans who are naturally unfair are making all the decisions.
Its simple, you work hard, you write a perfect paper, your grade should be A. You slack off and you write a bad paper, your grade should be F.
Why should an athelete, or some George Bush character get an A when their papers suck?
You werent taught English. I'm not trying to insult you but thats one of the problems with our public schools, they dont do a good job teaching
When I went to high school 15 years ago, we didn't do any grammar in high school English class, it was all read-and-interpret (i.e. read-and-make-up-some-bullshit).
Yes and thats why when you got to college you couldnt write a good research paper.
We were supposed to learn the technical stuff in middle school (and we did to some degree).
You are supposed to learn English through highschool as well, if you want to get a 1500+ on your SATs. This is exactly why students get such low SAT scores in urban public schools, they dont get a focused education, when its time to take tests the test does not care how creative you are or even how intelligent you are, the only thing that matters to the SAT test is your technical knowledge.
Teach technical English and later on let a person learn creativity.
What do you mean? If you dont know English using the word grammar checker wont help you write your paper.
If you do know English te word grammar checker should be used to write perfect technical papers. Its possible to write perfect technical papers, I do it all the time in college, its like standard here if you want an A.
I agree with you, its time we do remove the human factor. Why not let computers do what humans are proven to be unable to do without constant errors due to emotion or other human difficulties?
Let the computer grade the technical side and the human grade the creative side, this way there is no way someone who writes a person paper which a teacher does not like can get an F.
I'm sick of rich upper class morons buying and pandering their way through school. If we used computers to do all the grading there is no way George W Bush would have made it through highschool and I'm damn sure he wouldnt have got a degree from Yale.
Teachers like politicians can be bribed, and the problem with this is, he who has the money or power gets the A.
Essays have two aspects, spelling/grammar, and content.
Right now the computer can grade the technical side of a paper, and the teacher can grade the creative side. Now if the essay is for English class, the focus should be on the technical side of papers, so the computer can judge the whole paper from A to F on spelling and grammar.
Really it depends on the class. English classes especially in highschool are all about improving grammar and technical ability, you dont actually do any creative writing until college usually.
I don't like it. Part of the learning experience, especially in the subjects of arts and philosophy, is being judged by another human being (or group of human beings) and having your work subject to their myriad of emotions and intellectual whims. A system like Criteria removes the very complex aspect of education: the human mind.
When your judge is a human, alot of getting a good grade is knowing how to pander. Do we really want to reward pandering in society? Or do we want to grade people on actual merit?
Without computers we wouldn't be advancing in science, astronomy, genetics, or mathematics as rapidly as we have been in recent years. They are wonderful things. Hell, computers even help me keep a roof over my head. But I don't want Hal judging my kid's school papers.
Hal doesnt make mistakes, (or at least makes less errors than an overworked teacher), Hal will give your kid the exact grade he/she deserves and if you are afraid of your kid getting the fair grade perhaps you just dont believe your kid is smart enough to be graded by a precise computer.
Thats you and your kids problem, I dont really fear computers at all, I'm confident that I'd get the same grade either way because I dont pander, I dont bribe teachers, I dont do any ass kissing.
We could use this software definately to grade essays on technical merit and grammar, but what about creativity and content?
I think we still will need a teacher to read it, but I do think software should grade all exams.
Ever use Blackboard? It helps with teaching.
High School/Public School education is a joke in the U.S. Student's don't even know algebra by the time they graduate with A's in math.
Thats because math isnt taught in a way so that people actually learn it. You dont learn math by memorization alone but thats how its taught, its just rote memorization.
Also students dont know math very well because we distract them with a hell of alot of other subjects, like history, PE, and all those elective s which just waste time.
They should do all the math in their head because they might lose the pencil or drop the calculator!
It says it uses centralized servers, but if we had a way to make it P2P, or perhaps a P2P plugin, this could allow many many more features, you could have a database which learns about files and automatically corrects bad filenames etc.
"An example given is using the name and length of a Divx file to search IMDB to get all the relevant information about a film."
Why have a centralized internet movie database when you can have a decentralized P2P database? I mean everyone will essentially have a database filesystem right? It will be easy to use right? Why not make it P2P and let it self heal?
I cant really say anything bad about them building a school, for once they seem to be doing something good.
I just hope the school turns out to be more than some kinda marketing project and actually help kids
Ok I'll do that.
But not Harlem, considering most people in Harlem arent too bright, instead I'll go to a college educated middle class black community.
I mean if I went to your town wearing "hickivile university" I'd get my ass kicked too. Common sense,
Ignorant people dont like you if you are different, that goes for Harlem or Hickville.
Next you will tell me to go to a Prison in a miniskirt to prove that wearing a miniskirt doesnt make you gay.
Read a dictionary.
Nigger does not mean black, the fact that you believe nigger=black is proof that you are a bigot.
You hear "nigger" and the first picture that comes to your mind is a black man, you hear "gay" and the first picture that comes to your mind is a homosexual.
So this is proof to all of slashdot that you are a racist homophobe, you fell for the trap sucker.
And yes you are a very gay nigger for falling for such a trap.
When did I say it was an "entity" ? Your name sure as hell fits your personality you ignorant fool.
I know the RIAA is a group of for profit companies, allies, and I personally treat them as one entity.
Now dumbass, I hope whoever mods this reads through your list of idiotic comments that you've made on slashdot and mods them all down including this one.
Of course, they'll see that certain bands aren't selling and will drop them in favor of yet more studio-created band designed by focus groups, thereby killing off that which you're trying to save.
On the other hand, you could do the opposite and buy more of a certain band and style and show them that it sells.
Why buy from them at all?
I'm not talking about boycotting specific bands, I'm saying boycott the RIAA itself. If we dont buy ANY of their music they can go ahead and waste a fortune trying to create new trendy bands, its not like anyone will buy it.
He challenged me. Its just the rules of the game, if someone challenges you and loses you rub it in their face.