If you solve the game of chess the best you could do is make every chess game a draw. Good players wont make mistakes and you wont be able to win. winning and losing is decided on the players, not formulas. formulas and positions simple decide the flow of the game, will it be a draw? will someone lose? this is decided by skill.
just follow the classic e4-d4 openings and 90 percent of the time, your games will be a draw if you play with someone of equal skill.
Even if you know every possible combination, theres no way to control where the other person will move.
You dont control the variations and combinations, its teamwork, both sides control the flow of the game, the side with the most control decides if the game will be a draw, a win for them, or a loss.
According to bobby fischer all the games are pre arranged anyway, so change your name to something that ends in "rov" and begins with K, and wait in line.
If you focus too much of your brain on something, people will say you have ADHD.
Schools want a well rounded brain with little bits of your attention everywhere, and they program you for this by giving junk courses which you dont really need.
Computers dont work this way, when a computer is computing something, it doesnt focus on anything else.
Humans are capable of doing this, you do this when you sleep, if you do it when you are awake its called day dreaming, kids do it all the time and get put on pills like ritalin to make them stop..
by the style of play, humans usually have clear strategies, computers dont, they usually just tactically try to beat you, using lots of tricks and traps, they dont have REAL plans so its easy to know its a computer if the computers every move is generic.
What do the japanese have to do with the chinese? your whole argument is pointless. Next you'll talk to me about how the jews will become suicide bombers because the arabs have been doing it.
China has more intelligent ways to attack us, come on a cyber attack? that would be just pathetic, China is not that stupid.
China would be better off attacking us using bin ladens forces by giving those guys nukes and training and letting them go nuke us. Sorta like how we attacked russia.
Wars are always for reasons, China could easily destroy us with ground and air troops by numbers alone.
You act like countries start wars because its fun, there would have to be something to gain from it.
I dont worry about china starting a war right now, maybe 40 years from now in the nano age i'd worry because at this point China will be dominating the planet not us.
Theres no unlimited energy source so grey goo isnt as easy as you think. Also, you can EASILY make the nano machines malfunction assuming they use electricity, EMP would work. Shielding would work. The elements like extreme cold and heat would work,
Theres lots to be learned from the young people as well.,
As much as theres young ignorant people, there are old ignorant people.
Being ignorant has nothing to do with your age or how much knowledge you have, ignorant is a way of thinking, not a lack of knowledge.
Take the Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard, he may be 50-60 years old, he may have went to school at Yale, he may be very successful in the world, but hes still an ignorant racist leader of the KKK.
Hitler, a military genius, was ignorant as hell.
Bin Laden, highly educated, a genius, but ignorant as hell.
Even some scientists are ignorant as hell, some of them dont believe theres life in space and make fun of people who search for it. These are scientists! And some of these scientists are old!
You can then find scientists on the other side of the spectrum, who believe everyone who tells them they were abducted by aliens often without the person having any proof, and these scientists are open minded to the point of accepting even lies as fact.
Ignorance has nothing to do with knowledge, nothing to do with age, and everything to do with your way of thinking. Ignorant people usually are easily influenced by others.
I think up until middleschool, kids should learn the basics. Once they learn to read and write, they should learn to think.
memorizing multiplications are pointless when you have calculators
soon reading may be pointless too, our schools need to focus on whats important, alot of skills being developed are skills no one ever uses and will forget anyway, so it was a waste of time.
As technology advances, so should schools, we have calculators, why waste all these years in school teaching them to do math manually as if they'll ever need to do this?
All this time they could be learning things like computers, and logic based math, most math now you need a calculator to do, and besides the really basic stuff like how to add, and subtract, you dont really need to do the other stuff in your head.
How many people divide fractions in their head? if you have to do it on paper, then its no diffrent than doing it on a calculator, so why teach them to do it on paper at all?
Sorry, but that's the lamest thing I've heard today. I seriously doubt the problem you claim exists has anything to do with their age. Many of the world's greatest achievements and contributions to progress were the work of "old" people-- even in the arenas of government and science.
Old means more knowledge, old does not mean more intelligence. Old people are less nimble, they cant handle change at all. Old people are the last people you want making laws for technology like computers when most of them dont even know how to operate one.
I never said old people arent intelligent, or knowledgeable, What I said is they cant adapt.
Thats why old people dont know how to handle computers and hire young people to teach them.
Can't teach kids from text books that are 30 years old or older? Not so say the ever-present Christians of America. They're teaching their children how to live their lives according to a "textbook" that's over 2000 years old (average). Ditto the Jews (3000+ years old) and the Muslims (1200 years old) and the Native Americans (traditions several hundred years old). Not that I agree with these practices, but the people doing this are your neighbors, and on some level you need to respect their choices in life if you want to get along with them and maybe even convince them to make some changes.
Who ever said tradition teaches a personn how to think? Its true alot of people live their lives letting other people think for them. They may be my neighbors but its them or me right now, their ignorance can bring the world to chaos, or we can educate them and hope to save the world.
You cant have ignorance in a high tech society, because the technology eventually will get to the point where any radicial religious freak can destroy the world at the push of a button.
They are free to support their religion, but we should teach them to think for themselves not let the book think for them, if they choose the book after they know how to think for themselves then i can respect THEIR choice, but alot of them dont choose, they are born into it and never question their religions because they are never taught to thinnk for themselves.
Been there, done that. It's called the DMCA. It is an attempt to start making it more difficult to share files by increasing the likelihood that sharing is an offense, and by increasing the potential penalties attached to violations. Most laws are similar. Check the statutes against sexual assault or murder. They are 100% reactive-- only useful for defining acts as crimes and laying out a punishment, not for prevention. Otherwise rape and murder laws would require chastity belts and the confiscation of every potential weapon (including plastic forks).
The DMCA is unconstitutional!! how the hell can you compare sexual assualt to the DMCA?
The DMCA is censorship, its 100 percent unconstitutional, free speech was the basis of the US constitution, censorship removes free speech, DMCA is censorship.
People dont WANT DMCA, people want laws on sexual assault, theres A BIG diffrence. One law is to protect the people, the other law is to control and censor the people.
The people should decide where the technology goes, and the technology should decide where the laws go.
heck the statutes against sexual assault or murder. They are 100% reactive-- only useful for defining acts as crimes and laying out a punishment, not for prevention. Otherwise rape and murder laws would require chastity belts and the confiscation of every potential weapon (including plastic forks). Rape and Murder have nothing to do with taking away your freedom. Ok, so to have the government outlaw guns would take away your freedom, this is more like the DMCA (you cant sell guns, you cant buy guns, you cant distribute guns, you cant touch a gun, you cannot tell anyone how to create a gun)
Thats what the DMCA is like.
DMCA on the physical level via nano technology "You cannot materialize this, you cannot materialize that, you cannnot do this, you cannot do that"
This takes AWAY our freedom, I thought freedom was more important than everything?
By the way, as an educated computer programmer, you should know that "virii" is not a word. Just call them "viruses" like a grown person, okay?
Viruses is in the dictionary however it doesnt follow the rules of english. Example
Virii can be used instead of Viruses because no one even the "programmers" know which one is correct.
I'll use Virii because it fits in with every other scientific word, and because it looks better.
As an educated programmer, you'd understand that the world must be filled with educated people, in order to support the technology we are creating.
yet when it comes to technical innovation, the United States leads the world. We must be doing something right.
MIT is a good university, so are most of our UNIVERSITIES. Our technical innovations come from our universities, our universities are the best in the world, our highschools suck.
We need to bring highschool to the level of universities. We need to raise the standard. In Japan kids get better grades and know more than we do in highschool, yet we know more than they do on the university and college level. Our problem is our highschools and middleschools.
As for nanotechnology (which is what we are supposed to be talking about), we need to rush ahead blindly into it. Same with genetics. Clones for everyone! We are way behind the technology curve. Hell, we haven't even gone to Mars yet. If we sit around fretting about the negative effects of nanotechnology someone else will beat us to the development of killer nanoprobes, and then we will be at their mercy. Sure, someone might create a nanite that takes all the carbon atoms in the world and joins them into buckyballs, killing all life in the process. That's the risk we have to take.
We should rush to nanotechnology as quickly as possible, not because of war reasons but because it would greatly benifit the world.
IT could end world hunger, it could create world peace (doesnt mean it will but it could)
IT could create a utopia like enviornment.
It would extend life.
I think its a good technology, but it can be used for bad as well.
Education is the key though, You said Americans do bad in math and science? Math isnt about memorizing bullshit, thats BASIC math, which is all we seem to teach, when you get to the logic math used in computers or discrete math, etc, its more about changing your way of thinking and logic, this isnt teached at all, all we seem to teach are how to calculate, why waste time teaching kids how to calculate when theres calculators and computers? Teach them how to do REAL math.
Science is not a hard subject at all, our problem is our science books in highschool suck, teaching kids enstiens theories without even going into details, or showing them the math, or letting them do experiments, its more like a history lesson than anything else.
Try teaching them super string theory, allow a real physicist to give a lecture on it,, and explain the math, have people like michio kaku or others touring highschools in the same way they give lectures at colleges.
Let the students ask them questions, then have the students discuss how the math part of the theory works for math class. This could be the problem they spend the entire semester figuring out, but they'd learn more about science doing this than they would learn reading 100 history books about einstiens theories and taking little quizes.
If the common man knows about nano technology, defending against it will be easi, there may be a suit which can do it, maybe emp waves or static electricity
Bin Laden is pissed off because we give isreal weapons to kill his people with, whos tanks and bombs are isreal using right now to surround arafat?
His people are oppressed because we help isreal but not his people, we destroyed afganastan when we funded their war against russia, that bin laden was involved in, then we didnt help him rebuild the country, so what you had was kids growing up with guns in their hands, in a wasteland war torn country. Thats not oppression?
Their government isnt all that great, but we put the taliban in there, WE gave the taliban weapons and the taliban used them to fight russia, then used them to create a government.
If i grew up around war all my life, and my family died in a war, and i was poor and in afganastan, as a kid growing up shooting people, why wouldnt i be a suicide bomber? Did we even attempt to help these kids who were walking around with machine guns? Hell no!
Fear this, because it will never, never, never happen. The day we give every Joe Sixpack the equivalent of a herd of nukes will be the day I switch my bet to amoebas as dominant lifeform on the planet.
Well expect this planet to be destroyed by joe sixpack and the herd. Its your only option. You can either educate them, or let their ignorance destroy us.
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If you solve the game of chess the best you could do is make every chess game a draw. Good players wont make mistakes and you wont be able to win. winning and losing is decided on the players, not formulas. formulas and positions simple decide the flow of the game, will it be a draw? will someone lose? this is decided by skill.
just follow the classic e4-d4 openings and 90 percent of the time, your games will be a draw if you play with someone of equal skill.
Chess doesnt work like that.
Even if you know every possible combination, theres no way to control where the other person will move.
You dont control the variations and combinations, its teamwork, both sides control the flow of the game, the side with the most control decides if the game will be a draw, a win for them, or a loss.
According to bobby fischer all the games are pre arranged anyway, so change your name to something that ends in "rov" and begins with K, and wait in line.
If you focus too much of your brain on something, people will say you have ADHD.
Schools want a well rounded brain with little bits of your attention everywhere, and they program you for this by giving junk courses which you dont really need.
Computers dont work this way, when a computer is computing something, it doesnt focus on anything else.
Humans are capable of doing this, you do this when you sleep, if you do it when you are awake its called day dreaming, kids do it all the time and get put on pills like ritalin to make them stop..
Even I can tell.
by the style of play, humans usually have clear strategies, computers dont, they usually just tactically try to beat you, using lots of tricks and traps, they dont have REAL plans so its easy to know its a computer if the computers every move is generic.
Slashdot News: "Krammik destroyed by Fritz, breaks computer and throws it out the window"
If you honestly believe Krammik stands a chance, you must not have seen the games with deep blue.
Anyone who is interested in playing chess can check out this chess site Chessline
All they really need is
Ground troops, how will we stop billions of chinese people all running and attacking the whitehouse?
What do the japanese have to do with the chinese? your whole argument is pointless. Next you'll talk to me about how the jews will become suicide bombers because the arabs have been doing it.
China has more intelligent ways to attack us, come on a cyber attack? that would be just pathetic, China is not that stupid.
China would be better off attacking us using bin ladens forces by giving those guys nukes and training and letting them go nuke us. Sorta like how we attacked russia.
Who ever said i was Capitalist?
Wars are always for reasons, China could easily destroy us with ground and air troops by numbers alone.
You act like countries start wars because its fun, there would have to be something to gain from it.
I dont worry about china starting a war right now, maybe 40 years from now in the nano age i'd worry because at this point China will be dominating the planet not us.
so is the USA
its not like our government takes the constitution seriously or cares what we think about the laws they pass.
If you hit me with your car and made my car crash shouldnt you pay my medical bills?
We are the ones who put the taliban in place!
We are the ones who took the taliban out!
We should be the ones to reform their government.
When you keep manipulating people like this, they begin to hate you and becomme terrorists.
Good let the prices get higher, We'd all be making more money!
What would china have to gain by attacking us?
They might spy on us, but we spy on them too.
Attacking us is not going to happen, they wouldnt gain anything out of it.
And thats why im against copyright and digital patents
solar power should be used
Theres no unlimited energy source so grey goo isnt as easy as you think. Also, you can EASILY make the nano machines malfunction assuming they use electricity, EMP would work. Shielding would work.
The elements like extreme cold and heat would work,
Theres lots to be learned from the young people as well.,
As much as theres young ignorant people, there are old ignorant people.
Being ignorant has nothing to do with your age or how much knowledge you have, ignorant is a way of thinking, not a lack of knowledge.
Take the Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard, he may be 50-60 years old, he may have went to school at Yale, he may be very successful in the world, but hes still an ignorant racist leader of the KKK.
Hitler, a military genius, was ignorant as hell.
Bin Laden, highly educated, a genius, but ignorant as hell.
Even some scientists are ignorant as hell, some of them dont believe theres life in space and make fun of people who search for it. These are scientists! And some of these scientists are old!
You can then find scientists on the other side of the spectrum, who believe everyone who tells them they were abducted by aliens often without the person having any proof, and these scientists are open minded to the point of accepting even lies as fact.
Ignorance has nothing to do with knowledge, nothing to do with age, and everything to do with your way of thinking. Ignorant people usually are easily influenced by others.
Not everyones brains are designed for that.
I think up until middleschool, kids should learn the basics. Once they learn to read and write, they should learn to think.
memorizing multiplications are pointless when you have calculators
soon reading may be pointless too, our schools need to focus on whats important, alot of skills being developed are skills no one ever uses and will forget anyway, so it was a waste of time.
As technology advances, so should schools, we have calculators, why waste all these years in school teaching them to do math manually as if they'll ever need to do this?
All this time they could be learning things like computers, and logic based math, most math now you need a calculator to do, and besides the really basic stuff like how to add, and subtract, you dont really need to do the other stuff in your head.
How many people divide fractions in their head? if you have to do it on paper, then its no diffrent than doing it on a calculator, so why teach them to do it on paper at all?
Respecting others is NOT taught in schools, respecting authority is taught in schools.
bullies disrespect their peers all the time, so do jocks and other asshole types in school.
Do you see bullies getting kicked out of school? nope.
Sorry, but that's the lamest thing I've heard today. I seriously doubt the problem you claim exists has anything to do with their age. Many of the world's greatest achievements and contributions to progress were the work of "old" people-- even in the arenas of government and science.
Old means more knowledge, old does not mean more intelligence. Old people are less nimble, they cant handle change at all. Old people are the last people you want making laws for technology like computers when most of them dont even know how to operate one.
I never said old people arent intelligent, or knowledgeable, What I said is they cant adapt.
Thats why old people dont know how to handle computers and hire young people to teach them.
Can't teach kids from text books that are 30 years old or older? Not so say the ever-present Christians of America. They're teaching their children how to live their lives according to a "textbook" that's over 2000 years old (average). Ditto the Jews (3000+ years old) and the Muslims (1200 years old) and the Native Americans (traditions several hundred years old). Not that I agree with these practices, but the people doing this are your neighbors, and on some level you need to respect their choices in life if you want to get along with them and maybe even convince them to make some changes.
Who ever said tradition teaches a personn how to think? Its true alot of people live their lives letting other people think for them. They may be my neighbors but its them or me right now, their ignorance can bring the world to chaos, or we can educate them and hope to save the world.
You cant have ignorance in a high tech society, because the technology eventually will get to the point where any radicial religious freak can destroy the world at the push of a button.
They are free to support their religion, but we should teach them to think for themselves not let the book think for them, if they choose the book after they know how to think for themselves then i can respect THEIR choice, but alot of them dont choose, they are born into it and never question their religions because they are never taught to thinnk for themselves.
Been there, done that. It's called the DMCA. It is an attempt to start making it more difficult to share files by increasing the likelihood that sharing is an offense, and by increasing the potential penalties attached to violations. Most laws are similar. Check the statutes against sexual assault or murder. They are 100% reactive-- only useful for defining acts as crimes and laying out a punishment, not for prevention. Otherwise rape and murder laws would require chastity belts and the confiscation of every potential weapon (including plastic forks).
The DMCA is unconstitutional!! how the hell can you compare sexual assualt to the DMCA?
The DMCA is censorship, its 100 percent unconstitutional, free speech was the basis of the US constitution, censorship removes free speech, DMCA is censorship.
People dont WANT DMCA, people want laws on sexual assault, theres A BIG diffrence. One law is to protect the people, the other law is to control and censor the people.
The people should decide where the technology goes, and the technology should decide where the laws go.
heck the statutes against sexual assault or murder. They are 100% reactive-- only useful for defining acts as crimes and laying out a punishment, not for prevention. Otherwise rape and murder laws would require chastity belts and the confiscation of every potential weapon (including plastic forks).
Rape and Murder have nothing to do with taking away your freedom. Ok, so to have the government outlaw guns would take away your freedom, this is more like the DMCA (you cant sell guns, you cant buy guns, you cant distribute guns, you cant touch a gun, you cannot tell anyone how to create a gun)
Thats what the DMCA is like.
DMCA on the physical level via nano technology
"You cannot materialize this, you cannot materialize that, you cannnot do this, you cannot do that"
This takes AWAY our freedom, I thought freedom was more important than everything?
By the way, as an educated computer programmer, you should know that "virii" is not a word. Just call them "viruses" like a grown person, okay?
Viruses is in the dictionary however it doesnt follow the rules of english.
Example
Virii can be used instead of Viruses because no one even the "programmers" know which one is correct.
I'll use Virii because it fits in with every other scientific word, and because it looks better.
As an educated programmer, you'd understand that the world must be filled with educated people, in order to support the technology we are creating.
Ok thats just cruel.
90 year old women dont need medicine to keep them alive if they have diebeties or cancer?
Whats wrong with you? Dont you have grand parents?
Social security allows you to retire, without it you'll never be able to retire.
yet when it comes to technical innovation, the United States leads the world. We must be doing something right.
MIT is a good university, so are most of our UNIVERSITIES. Our technical innovations come from our universities, our universities are the best in the world, our highschools suck.
We need to bring highschool to the level of universities. We need to raise the standard. In Japan kids get better grades and know more than we do in highschool, yet we know more than they do on the university and college level. Our problem is our highschools and middleschools.
As for nanotechnology (which is what we are supposed to be talking about), we need to rush ahead blindly into it. Same with genetics. Clones for everyone! We are way behind the technology curve. Hell, we haven't even gone to Mars yet. If we sit around fretting about the negative effects of nanotechnology someone else will beat us to the development of killer nanoprobes, and then we will be at their mercy. Sure, someone might create a nanite that takes all the carbon atoms in the world and joins them into buckyballs, killing all life in the process. That's the risk we have to take.
We should rush to nanotechnology as quickly as possible, not because of war reasons but because it would greatly benifit the world.
IT could end world hunger, it could create world peace (doesnt mean it will but it could)
IT could create a utopia like enviornment.
It would extend life.
I think its a good technology, but it can be used for bad as well.
Education is the key though, You said Americans do bad in math and science? Math isnt about memorizing bullshit, thats BASIC math, which is all we seem to teach, when you get to the logic math used in computers or discrete math, etc, its more about changing your way of thinking and logic, this isnt teached at all, all we seem to teach are how to calculate, why waste time teaching kids how to calculate when theres calculators and computers? Teach them how to do REAL math.
Science is not a hard subject at all, our problem is our science books in highschool suck, teaching kids enstiens theories without even going into details, or showing them the math, or letting them do experiments, its more like a history lesson than anything else.
Try teaching them super string theory, allow a real physicist to give a lecture on it,, and explain the math, have people like michio kaku or others touring highschools in the same way they give lectures at colleges.
Let the students ask them questions, then have the students discuss how the math part of the theory works for math class. This could be the problem they spend the entire semester figuring out, but they'd learn more about science doing this than they would learn reading 100 history books about einstiens theories and taking little quizes.
knowledge kills, we need to have equal knowledge.
If the common man knows about nano technology, defending against it will be easi, there may be a suit which can do it, maybe emp waves or static electricity
Bin Laden is pissed off because we give isreal weapons to kill his people with, whos tanks and bombs are isreal using right now to surround arafat?
His people are oppressed because we help isreal but not his people, we destroyed afganastan when we funded their war against russia, that bin laden was involved in, then we didnt help him rebuild the country, so what you had was kids growing up with guns in their hands, in a wasteland war torn country. Thats not oppression?
Their government isnt all that great, but we put the taliban in there, WE gave the taliban weapons and the taliban used them to fight russia, then used them to create a government.
If i grew up around war all my life, and my family died in a war, and i was poor and in afganastan, as a kid growing up shooting people, why wouldnt i be a suicide bomber? Did we even attempt to help these kids who were walking around with machine guns? Hell no!
Fear this, because it will never, never, never happen. The day we give every Joe Sixpack the equivalent of a herd of nukes will be the day I switch my bet to amoebas as dominant lifeform on the planet.
Well expect this planet to be destroyed by joe sixpack and the herd. Its your only option. You can either educate them, or let their ignorance destroy us.