They just keep going, sucking up resources and FBI labor hours until they become absolutely pointless.
Several guilty pleas and a half-dozen serious criminal charges is "pointless"?
Only if you are terrified that the "Make Russia Great Again" president ends up in jail.
Guilty pleas where for lying to the FBI and for financial filings from 8 years before the election, which have nothing to do with Muller's mandate. The rest of the charges are for actual Russians and Russian entities, but zero Americans where involved.
Mueller sure is being meticulous about this "investigation" and it doesn't seem to me he's finding much related to the actual election and Trump or his people. He's not done, but I'd start preparing to be disappointed if I had your view of the world because it sure doesn't look like charges have hit very close to your supposed target yet. You might get a few Scooter Libby's out of this, but I'm not seeing much evidence for anything more, at least on the republican side.
On the democratic side though, there are some serious questions being raised, with actual DNC funding finding it's way into Russian hands under the guise of opposition research, not unlike what Don Jr's meeting was supposed to be about. Not to mention the handing of the dossier to the FBI to be used to justify wiretapping of Trump associates under FISA was very suspicious (and unethical by all involved). We know that (from Donna Brazil) the primaries where fixed and debate questions unfairly given to Hillary, which isn't illegal, but is unethical. Sanders got robed if you ask me.
I bring all this up to say that you'd better be careful. Mueller could be a sharp knife that cuts both ways. You just *might* find that you don't like the results if and when he declares he's done and you might find that the wrong folks got caught in that investigation.
To be fair, the shuttle was a bad idea who's time had come. It should have never made it off the drawing board, but it did, under the promise of lower costs, faster to space, reusability.
The problem was that NASA had expended the bulk of their resources on shuttle operations so after the Challenger accident made it clear that rocket science was kind of a hard problem, it was a bit too late. All the eggs where in that basket, we had interdependent programs that required the shuttle (Hubble, ISS and more) or we would have wasted those resources too. So, even though the per-launch costs where literally skyrocketing well above any level foreseen, there wasn't much else we could do, but fly it.
As a system, though, the Shuttle wasn't too bad. It was big, held a lot of stuff, carried many people and could spend long times in orbit. It was hugely flexible and very successful and extremely safe once in orbit. The issue, all of them, where issues with the ascent portion of flight. One where the whole thing explodes and one where the vehicle's re-entry protection was damaged during ascent. Had we properly identified the safety issues, and engineered a better way to launch the thing up front, we'd not be having this debate now.
The Shuttle was/is an engineering marvel, badly designed. It was a great idea, but a bad execution of a design and it turned out that the ascent design compromised too much safety for reduced launch costs. Maybe if we had taken the engines out of the Shuttle and put them in a reusable launch vehicle? But you cannot go back and change history.
I wonder if they are real or just photo shoot mock ups. Since I thought I read something a while back about the design for new space suits running over budget and years behind.
Well, there are always the existing stock of space suits to use for now. Shouldn't take too long to build a few more of those if necessary as the specifications blue prints and tooling likely still exist.
Of course they are heavy, bulky and getting old, but they still work.
Tha's because HAL was big and unfriendly and had a voice that was functional, but all in all, you really didn't feel empathetic to HAL.
I don't know. After 2010 explained why HAL had mental issues I did feel sorry... Sorry that anybody risked their life to turn him back on, only to leave HAL behind in a desperate attempt to save their lives.
It is with mild amusement that I read your latest press release about allowing people to play video games on the Tesla console. Where this is a cool thing and the console is well suited for such entertainment applications I think Tesla needs to concentrate on building cars and stop with the new features.
I would suggest that a better enhancement might be system for mining crypto currency when a car not on the road. With as much processing power available in these fine machines, mining crypto would likely clear enough profit to pay the owner's gas (um... Electric) bill while it charges every night... But I've got to ask WHY? Please, can we just leave all these cool ideas for later?
IF Tesla doesn't stop this feature creep and finish engineering their assembly process for low cost, maximum output, the share holders like me are going to get upset. Come on.. Work on building and delivering cars, no more of this PR driven feature creep. Please sir, I need some profits from my investment and that's going to take a bunch cars to be built and sold. Remember when you promised you where doing that? I bet you do. That's the feature I really want from Tesla.
I'm a farm boy and I can attest this is pretty much true. Antibiotics are not generally routine, but special occasion things, used when the health of the animal is open to question or could possibly be compromised by some necessary procedure. Antibiotics are expensive and it takes labor to administer them, so they are not used indiscriminately. Farmers don't have money to waste.
Testing of milk is done by the truck load too. When the truck arrives at the farm, they take samples for testing. When the truck arrives at the plant, they sample and test again. It doesn't go into the plant but down the drain if it doesn't pass any of those tests. And if it's YOUR milk that causes the truck to get dumped, it's not a good thing for you.
> An isopropyl alcohol bath is resoundingly insufficient to sterilize surgical instruments
If this has been known for decades could you please post a link to some reliable paper showing this. Because I don't believe you.
Medical sterilization of instruments has not been done in an alcohol bath for ages except as a last resort. It's marginally better than nothing, but not by much.
Current sterilization processes involve high heat in autoclaves (Basically pressure cookers) for items that can take the heat. There are some ozone processes that don't use pressure and heat that's effective and many one-time use items are sterilized using radiation after sealed in their packaging. Using alcohol or just boiling in water even would be considered gross malpractice at this point and would only be used as a last resort.
An isopropyl alcohol bath is resoundingly insufficient to sterilize surgical instruments. This has been known for decades. Likewise, nobody in their right mind assumes a quick wipe with an alcohol pad will make your skin sterile either.
That's why surgeons will have to start autoclaving their hands at scrub-in.
Meanwhile, hospital administrators already have a solution: just keep raising prices until there are no more patients.
What part of "scrub in" is that alcohol part?
Surgeons have done more than just dip their hands in stuff for a LONG time... Plus, when they get done scrubbing and disinfecting they put on sterile gloves.
Don't get me started on the sterilization of the incision site before draping in sterile cloth to create a sterile field to work in... And this is what I can divine from being in the operating room during my first kid's delivery and how I was instructed about what I could and couldn't touch.
You mean like financial sanctions on them by us and our allies... Check, we've done that.
Expelling diplomats.. Check, Done that too..
Discussing the Issue between heads of state... Check, Even that we've done since 2016...
Yet here we go again...
I'm saying that what can you do to stop them if they refuse to comply with your laws when you ask them to? Military force, or at least the credible threat of it is pretty much where we are at this point. How bad do you want it to stop? THAT bad?
You see, that's really the question. How far are you willing to go to make them stop. They seem willing to endure pretty much everything we've done so far and short of risking an open military conflict I'm not sure what other pressure we can bring to bear.
Let's see... Apollo 11 though Apollo 17 (sans Apollo 13)... Yea, I think more than 800 lbs of rocks and soil samples from 6 different locations qualifies. What where we mining? Moon rocks and soil. Was it worth it for the materials obtained? Other than they where rocks from the moon's surface? No. But it's possible to "mine" the surface of the moon for worthless materials... It's just not worth it.
Here's the understatement of the year from the article:
But it’s clear this holiday is about prompting reflection, not impeachable precision.
Basically this "news" is that an environmental lobbying group wanted to declare that people use too many resources in their opinion.
That's kind of the whole environmental shtick..
When you boil it down to what they actually want, it's to reduce the world's population and go back to riding horses for transportation. Also, they want YOU to do all this, so they don't have to.
I remember when I was in college, a local nuclear power plant was totally built and getting ready for it's operating license and in a last ditch effort they environmentalists came out of the woodwork saying "It's NOT too late!" on TV, Radio and print. I asked one of them once if he was going to have his electricity turned off in protest.... Needless to say, he didn't like that idea. I told him I wasn't going to take him seriously then as he obviously wasn't really committed to his cause. Lucky for me I was out of arms reach, I think he would have assaulted me otherwise.
I never understood when people say things like "mining off-planet". How can you mine something on another planet and ship it back to Earth? What makes you think this is possible (sci-fi doesn't count)?
Oh, it's POSSIBLE.. It's just not cost effective both in materials obtained vrs used and human lives lost..
Well I don't know about their mom, but they are right about the Russians hacking.
The Russians have never hacked a national election in the USA, as in changed the outcome by adjusting the vote totals to not match the votes cast.
However, they HAVE been fairly successful at spreading FUD about such non-events though messing with news coverage and manipulation of "useful idiots" though stupid assertions like the idea they managed to do so..
This has always been true... The party in power has ALWAYS done this and unless the people get tired of it always will.
The really sneaky thing is that everybody uses this issue to whip up the base and drive voter turn out. "See how unfair the other party is! Se how they ignore principle and ethics! Throw the bums out!"
The rest of your mishmash is questionable, but your final assertion is 100% true. Special council investigations never end until the target of that investigation leaves office. They just keep going, sucking up resources and FBI labor hours until they become absolutely pointless.
This investigation is not going away until Trump leaves office at Noon on January 20, 2025, maybe not even then depending on who replaces him.
SO let me get this straight.. You are claiming that Russia did two things..
1. Hacked the election - AS IN Changed the counted votes so they didn't match the actual votes cast...
2. Trolled on Social Media - AS in engaged in a disinformation campaign to change people's minds about who they'd vote for.
The problem with your assertions is as follows:
1. There is no evidence that any vote was counted differently than it was cast. NONE. This has been confirmed many, many times by the likes of Clapper and other officials from the previous administration who should know. I don't trust the last administration but I have no reason to doubt them on this. Do you?
2. This happened, but this is not new or unique with 20216's elections, it's been going on for centuries. Also, there is very little the USA can do about this. We can (and do) have laws that forbid foreign involvement, but we don't have jurisdiction to enforce these laws except on our soil. The USA cannot do much more than wag a finger at foreign leaders who try dabbling this way. Unless you think it's time to actually go to war over such propaganda, what else can we do? Tell them to 'cut it out!' ? You think that's going to work?
This whole thing has been nothing more than a bad circus sideshow. I think it's more of a excuse than anything else, something to haggle over to keep the political brinksmanship game going.
Never said the rules where easy for the unions to follow before. But they are easier now. Payroll now only sucks off the union dues by people who have requested it. One would assume that this would reduce the scope of the problem and keep refund request to a minimum because those who are not interested in supporting any union activity now can opt out by not requesting the deduction in the first place.
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They just keep going, sucking up resources and FBI labor hours until they become absolutely pointless.
Several guilty pleas and a half-dozen serious criminal charges is "pointless"? Only if you are terrified that the "Make Russia Great Again" president ends up in jail.
Guilty pleas where for lying to the FBI and for financial filings from 8 years before the election, which have nothing to do with Muller's mandate. The rest of the charges are for actual Russians and Russian entities, but zero Americans where involved.
Mueller sure is being meticulous about this "investigation" and it doesn't seem to me he's finding much related to the actual election and Trump or his people. He's not done, but I'd start preparing to be disappointed if I had your view of the world because it sure doesn't look like charges have hit very close to your supposed target yet. You might get a few Scooter Libby's out of this, but I'm not seeing much evidence for anything more, at least on the republican side.
On the democratic side though, there are some serious questions being raised, with actual DNC funding finding it's way into Russian hands under the guise of opposition research, not unlike what Don Jr's meeting was supposed to be about. Not to mention the handing of the dossier to the FBI to be used to justify wiretapping of Trump associates under FISA was very suspicious (and unethical by all involved). We know that (from Donna Brazil) the primaries where fixed and debate questions unfairly given to Hillary, which isn't illegal, but is unethical. Sanders got robed if you ask me.
I bring all this up to say that you'd better be careful. Mueller could be a sharp knife that cuts both ways. You just *might* find that you don't like the results if and when he declares he's done and you might find that the wrong folks got caught in that investigation.
Well there goes my best argument that the world is flat. What's next? acceptance of gravity? Thanks Google...
Well... Maybe you can use Google to find better arguments... And there is no such thing as gravity, it's just a curve in space time.
Zoom out....
To be fair, the shuttle was a bad idea who's time had come. It should have never made it off the drawing board, but it did, under the promise of lower costs, faster to space, reusability.
The problem was that NASA had expended the bulk of their resources on shuttle operations so after the Challenger accident made it clear that rocket science was kind of a hard problem, it was a bit too late. All the eggs where in that basket, we had interdependent programs that required the shuttle (Hubble, ISS and more) or we would have wasted those resources too. So, even though the per-launch costs where literally skyrocketing well above any level foreseen, there wasn't much else we could do, but fly it.
As a system, though, the Shuttle wasn't too bad. It was big, held a lot of stuff, carried many people and could spend long times in orbit. It was hugely flexible and very successful and extremely safe once in orbit. The issue, all of them, where issues with the ascent portion of flight. One where the whole thing explodes and one where the vehicle's re-entry protection was damaged during ascent. Had we properly identified the safety issues, and engineered a better way to launch the thing up front, we'd not be having this debate now.
The Shuttle was/is an engineering marvel, badly designed. It was a great idea, but a bad execution of a design and it turned out that the ascent design compromised too much safety for reduced launch costs. Maybe if we had taken the engines out of the Shuttle and put them in a reusable launch vehicle? But you cannot go back and change history.
I wonder if they are real or just photo shoot mock ups. Since I thought I read something a while back about the design for new space suits running over budget and years behind.
Well, there are always the existing stock of space suits to use for now. Shouldn't take too long to build a few more of those if necessary as the specifications blue prints and tooling likely still exist.
Of course they are heavy, bulky and getting old, but they still work.
Tha's because HAL was big and unfriendly and had a voice that was functional, but all in all, you really didn't feel empathetic to HAL.
I don't know. After 2010 explained why HAL had mental issues I did feel sorry... Sorry that anybody risked their life to turn him back on, only to leave HAL behind in a desperate attempt to save their lives.
Yea, begging didn't work for Hal now did it...
Mr. Musk,
It is with mild amusement that I read your latest press release about allowing people to play video games on the Tesla console. Where this is a cool thing and the console is well suited for such entertainment applications I think Tesla needs to concentrate on building cars and stop with the new features.
I would suggest that a better enhancement might be system for mining crypto currency when a car not on the road. With as much processing power available in these fine machines, mining crypto would likely clear enough profit to pay the owner's gas (um... Electric) bill while it charges every night... But I've got to ask WHY? Please, can we just leave all these cool ideas for later?
IF Tesla doesn't stop this feature creep and finish engineering their assembly process for low cost, maximum output, the share holders like me are going to get upset. Come on.. Work on building and delivering cars, no more of this PR driven feature creep. Please sir, I need some profits from my investment and that's going to take a bunch cars to be built and sold. Remember when you promised you where doing that? I bet you do. That's the feature I really want from Tesla.
Signed, concerned share holder.
Why would I want this? You have to be an idiot to want a Tesla.
I'm not sure but I think you answered the question yourself..
LOL.. Did you read my whole post?
I said it's POSSIBLE, just not cost effective.
We went to the moon in the 70's and hauled home just over 800 lbs of the lunar surface. Other probes have returned lessor amounts.
Was that a cost effective way to get 800 lbs of the materials we find in moon rocks? Not on your life.
This...
I'm a farm boy and I can attest this is pretty much true. Antibiotics are not generally routine, but special occasion things, used when the health of the animal is open to question or could possibly be compromised by some necessary procedure. Antibiotics are expensive and it takes labor to administer them, so they are not used indiscriminately. Farmers don't have money to waste.
Testing of milk is done by the truck load too. When the truck arrives at the farm, they take samples for testing. When the truck arrives at the plant, they sample and test again. It doesn't go into the plant but down the drain if it doesn't pass any of those tests. And if it's YOUR milk that causes the truck to get dumped, it's not a good thing for you.
> An isopropyl alcohol bath is resoundingly insufficient to sterilize surgical instruments If this has been known for decades could you please post a link to some reliable paper showing this. Because I don't believe you.
Medical sterilization of instruments has not been done in an alcohol bath for ages except as a last resort. It's marginally better than nothing, but not by much.
Current sterilization processes involve high heat in autoclaves (Basically pressure cookers) for items that can take the heat. There are some ozone processes that don't use pressure and heat that's effective and many one-time use items are sterilized using radiation after sealed in their packaging. Using alcohol or just boiling in water even would be considered gross malpractice at this point and would only be used as a last resort.
An isopropyl alcohol bath is resoundingly insufficient to sterilize surgical instruments. This has been known for decades. Likewise, nobody in their right mind assumes a quick wipe with an alcohol pad will make your skin sterile either.
That's why surgeons will have to start autoclaving their hands at scrub-in.
Meanwhile, hospital administrators already have a solution: just keep raising prices until there are no more patients.
What part of "scrub in" is that alcohol part?
Surgeons have done more than just dip their hands in stuff for a LONG time... Plus, when they get done scrubbing and disinfecting they put on sterile gloves.
Don't get me started on the sterilization of the incision site before draping in sterile cloth to create a sterile field to work in... And this is what I can divine from being in the operating room during my first kid's delivery and how I was instructed about what I could and couldn't touch.
You mean like financial sanctions on them by us and our allies... Check, we've done that.
Expelling diplomats.. Check, Done that too..
Discussing the Issue between heads of state... Check, Even that we've done since 2016...
Yet here we go again...
I'm saying that what can you do to stop them if they refuse to comply with your laws when you ask them to? Military force, or at least the credible threat of it is pretty much where we are at this point. How bad do you want it to stop? THAT bad?
You see, that's really the question. How far are you willing to go to make them stop. They seem willing to endure pretty much everything we've done so far and short of risking an open military conflict I'm not sure what other pressure we can bring to bear.
You have any new ideas?
LOTS of people die there..
Let's see... Apollo 11 though Apollo 17 (sans Apollo 13)... Yea, I think more than 800 lbs of rocks and soil samples from 6 different locations qualifies. What where we mining? Moon rocks and soil. Was it worth it for the materials obtained? Other than they where rocks from the moon's surface? No. But it's possible to "mine" the surface of the moon for worthless materials... It's just not worth it.
We brought back materials from the moon in the 70's did we not? It was just a bunch of rocks, but we did go get them and bring them back.
We've also brought back small amounts of material from a comet's tail.
So we've done this kind of thing. Not very efficiently, but we've done it.
Here's the understatement of the year from the article:
Basically this "news" is that an environmental lobbying group wanted to declare that people use too many resources in their opinion.
That's kind of the whole environmental shtick..
When you boil it down to what they actually want, it's to reduce the world's population and go back to riding horses for transportation. Also, they want YOU to do all this, so they don't have to.
I remember when I was in college, a local nuclear power plant was totally built and getting ready for it's operating license and in a last ditch effort they environmentalists came out of the woodwork saying "It's NOT too late!" on TV, Radio and print. I asked one of them once if he was going to have his electricity turned off in protest.... Needless to say, he didn't like that idea. I told him I wasn't going to take him seriously then as he obviously wasn't really committed to his cause. Lucky for me I was out of arms reach, I think he would have assaulted me otherwise.
I never understood when people say things like "mining off-planet". How can you mine something on another planet and ship it back to Earth? What makes you think this is possible (sci-fi doesn't count)?
Oh, it's POSSIBLE.. It's just not cost effective both in materials obtained vrs used and human lives lost..
Well I don't know about their mom, but they are right about the Russians hacking.
The Russians have never hacked a national election in the USA, as in changed the outcome by adjusting the vote totals to not match the votes cast.
However, they HAVE been fairly successful at spreading FUD about such non-events though messing with news coverage and manipulation of "useful idiots" though stupid assertions like the idea they managed to do so..
The only "upgrade" needed is to go to paper ballots counted by teams of humans!
Oh great.. Back to "hanging chads" in Florida again? Please no...
This has always been true... The party in power has ALWAYS done this and unless the people get tired of it always will.
The really sneaky thing is that everybody uses this issue to whip up the base and drive voter turn out. "See how unfair the other party is! Se how they ignore principle and ethics! Throw the bums out!"
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None of this is going away.
Ryan Fenton
The rest of your mishmash is questionable, but your final assertion is 100% true. Special council investigations never end until the target of that investigation leaves office. They just keep going, sucking up resources and FBI labor hours until they become absolutely pointless.
This investigation is not going away until Trump leaves office at Noon on January 20, 2025, maybe not even then depending on who replaces him.
SO let me get this straight.. You are claiming that Russia did two things..
1. Hacked the election - AS IN Changed the counted votes so they didn't match the actual votes cast...
2. Trolled on Social Media - AS in engaged in a disinformation campaign to change people's minds about who they'd vote for.
The problem with your assertions is as follows:
1. There is no evidence that any vote was counted differently than it was cast. NONE. This has been confirmed many, many times by the likes of Clapper and other officials from the previous administration who should know. I don't trust the last administration but I have no reason to doubt them on this. Do you?
2. This happened, but this is not new or unique with 20216's elections, it's been going on for centuries. Also, there is very little the USA can do about this. We can (and do) have laws that forbid foreign involvement, but we don't have jurisdiction to enforce these laws except on our soil. The USA cannot do much more than wag a finger at foreign leaders who try dabbling this way. Unless you think it's time to actually go to war over such propaganda, what else can we do? Tell them to 'cut it out!' ? You think that's going to work?
This whole thing has been nothing more than a bad circus sideshow. I think it's more of a excuse than anything else, something to haggle over to keep the political brinksmanship game going.
Never said the rules where easy for the unions to follow before. But they are easier now. Payroll now only sucks off the union dues by people who have requested it. One would assume that this would reduce the scope of the problem and keep refund request to a minimum because those who are not interested in supporting any union activity now can opt out by not requesting the deduction in the first place.