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Tesla Is Adding Atari Games To the In-Car Display (theverge.com)

In the next software update for its vehicles, Tesla will include several playable Atari games as new Easter eggs. CEO Elon Musk said the update would be released in "about four weeks" and should include games like Pole Position, Tempest, and Missile Command. The Verge reports: Pole Position's controls will apparently be linked to the Tesla's actual steering wheel -- while the vehicle is stopped, Musk made clear. It goes without saying, but no one should be messing around with any of these when they're behind the wheel of a moving car. A much bigger deal for Tesla owners is that, according to Musk, software version 9.0 will begin to enable "full self-driving features" in eligible vehicles. The new update might be discussed further during Tesla's earnings call later today.

156 comments

  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now you can play frogger in ur Tesla while playing frogger with ur Tesla

    1. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is there a game where you try to escape from a burning vehicle?

    2. Re:Good by Rei · · Score: 1

      They're actually planning to have the actual steering wheel be the controller for Pole Position.

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    3. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      The burning smell you're detecting is the money you put into TSLA short positions. TSLA up 9% in after hours trading.

      I love how you guys pay interest (sometimes at loan shark rates) for the privilege of losing money betting against the company ;)

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    4. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i only used bitcoins to short tsla, speaking of pedos, how you doing.

    5. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 2

      It may interest you to know that a (admittedly tired) Musk apologized twice on the conference call. An investor told him: "Don't let the trolls get you down, but we do like it when you tease the trolls a bit"

      I think I'll take their advice to Musk: "Bite me."

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    6. Re: Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      I thought it was the smell of another $440 million burned through in Q2 2018. At that rate, they're down to about 4.5 quarters to go before the wallet is empty.

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    7. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that long. Thanks to MAGA we should be getting a recession before then.

      Tesla is poorly run and burning cash at this rate right before the rebates run out is a terrible position to be in.

    8. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, that would be totally meaningful if it wasn't nonsense.

      Model 3 margins are now positive - without any AWD and P in the mix. Now expected to be 15% this quarter. Much of the cost this quarter was from a restructuring (incl. severance from layoffs), which turns from an expense into a cost savings from Q3 onward. 11k cars were stockpiled in Q2 to avoid the 200k limit - aka, Tesla had to pay for them but got no money from them (but will this quarter). Model 3 production rates dramatically accelerated over Q2 and continue to accelerate; Q3 Model 3 deliveries will be 3x higher than Q2, and Q3 model 3 revenue growth even more than that due to the higher-optioned mix (half of all new sales are now AWD or P, which weren't even available in Q2).

      Are you in Egypt? Because it appears that you're writing your post from de' Nile.

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    9. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pissed on a Tesla once and gave the idiot leasing it a swirly, that was an electrifying experience because the idiot had a Samsung phone

    10. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. It is smell of burning batteries. Priorities...
      PS What games does it have? Kaboom! and Pitfall!?

    11. Re: Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Those margins have always claimed to be positive - but that's gross, before you even include SG&A. Again, another $5 million a day in losses. Profitable at gross - or net? The former isn't nearly as important as the latter...

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    12. Re: Good by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Model 3 margins are now positive

      If this was dry humor, well played. I know you can't possibly be crowing about margins being (ever so slightly) in the black for cars that are loaded up with the raft of high-margin options currently being force-fed to buyers.

    13. Re: Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Per what was just announced, Tesla lost $717 million on $4 billion in revenue. A 17.9% loss. In Q1, 2018, they lost $597 million on $3.4 billion in revenue. A 17.5% loss. If anything, losses are increasing as a percent of revenue, not decreasing.

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    14. Re: Good by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

      Tesla lost $717 million on $4 billion in revenue. A 17.9% loss. In Q1, 2018, they lost $597 million on $3.4 billion in revenue. A 17.5% loss. If anything, losses are increasing as a percent of revenue, not decreasing.

      But, but, didn't you read the hot-off-the-press Karen Rei infomerical posing as a Slashdot article? None of those silly historical numbers matter, because Tesla is going to turn profitable in the very next quarter.* This time for sure, Rocky!

      * If this is anything like the Model 3 production rate, Elon will just hold a bunch of sales until the last week of the quarter and not pay any bills, and then declare that Tesla "operated at a profit" for that week.

    15. Re: Good by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      now this is some humorous trolling.

    16. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rei. Youve hung in there with your cheering and it looks like Elon is making it happen. Im happy he is and other car makers are going electric. I cant take this global warming anymore. Its disgusting outside. Just need to get more SUVs and pickup trucks to go electric!!!

    17. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Profitable not including a bunch of expenses like r&d and debt repayments.

      I can't tell if you're an identity created by a paid pr firm, or just the fanniest fanboi that ever fanboied.

    18. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 2

      Q1: Produced 24,728 vehicles. SG&A=686,404
      Q2: Produced 53,339 vehicles. SG&A=750,759

      Vehicle production doubles. SG&A increases by 9%

      Your notion that SG&A would just linearly rise with production was nonsense, and I warned you of this. You refused to believe me. Well, that comes at your peril. Seriously, how did you even think that was supposed to even happen? Money has to go somewhere. Where's the hiring to support a linear SG&A scaleup? Where's the extra office space? Where's any of it? Nowhere, that's where. Your linear SG&A rise is, and always has been a myth. Because economies of scale are an actual thing, and only a small fraction of SG&A goes to direct one-on-one customer service.

      But wait, it gets better! Because as I also pointed out to you, and you refused to listen, restructuring and severance costs are a hit in Q2 but a benefit from Q3 onward. That's right, the Q2 figures are inflated, which will then translate to deflation in Q3. You're probably still refusing to believe this. Live in denial all you want, it's not my money you're throwing away.

      Even revenue is artificially deflated this quarter by the 11k vehicles held back to avoid hitting 200k ("in transit"). Multiply that by a typical sale value - that's nearly 600m in revenue right there. Now compare that to the change in cash on hand. Notice anything?

      Should I bother to mention that no ZEV credits were claimed at all this quarter?

      Face reality or not: Tesla is transforming into an ongoing profitable venture. This quarter.

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    19. Re: Good by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      SG&A goes with SALES (deliveries) not production. 40K vehicles were delivered, meaning that SG&A did drop per unit, but nowhere near as much as you claim. We'll see if Q3 is profitable or not - because you (and many others) claimed Q2 would be, and we see it's far from that.

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    20. Re: Good by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      I just played it this weekend!

      I filled my gas tank with 20 gallons of fuel, and hit the highway. About 10 miles later, I smelled gas, so I pulled over. I soon realized that the straps that held my gas tank up had rusted through, and the tank was dragging on the road.

      I didn't want my Jeep to be sitting in a 20 gallon puddle of fuel, so I got back in and drove it (5 miles) till it all ran out, and coasted as far away as I could get.

      I really wanted to light that trail of gas on fire, but I knew damn well it would've found its way to my Jeep and BOOM!

      The whole time I was ready to make an emergency jump for it if it started on fire while I was driving it:)

      Scary AF!

    21. Re: Good by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Are you in Egypt? Because it appears that you're writing your post from de' Nile.

      I'm using this in future :-) Thanks for the morning lol.

    22. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You stupid bitch. A huge majority of people who don't like your God Elon or Tesla have no stock in anything. The motherfucker is a pasty-face, cock-sucking liar.

    23. Re: Good by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Model 3 margins are now positive - without any AWD and P in the mix.

      I should hope so. They're selling at a much higher price than what they were advertising years ago.

    24. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 2

      SG&A goes with all stages - getting the order, keeping it, delivering it, and post sales support. And it doesn't go close to linear with any aspect of them, because A) economies of scale, B) G&A (you're only focusing on S), and C) large portions of SG&A have to be spent well in advance of the revenue that they are responsible for.

      And deliveries grew by 36%, despite the huge number in transit.

      Lastly:

      We'll see if Q3 is profitable or not - because you (and many others) claimed Q2 would be, and we see it's far from that.

      This is pure, unadulterated BS, and you know that very well. Neither I, nor anyone else I've ever seen on any place on the internet (and I've heard from a lot of people, both bulls and bears), was expecting Q2 to be profitable, nor was Tesla calling for Q2 to be profitable. Not a single exception. Everyone was expecting a loss in Q2 as Tesla rolled in restructuring costs and high numbers of vehicles in transit, in prep for the planned profit in Q3. If you feel the need to lie about the other side, that's called a straw man argument, and does not reflect well on you.

      Lastly: the market's response says all you need to know about Q2 expectations vs. actuality.

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    25. Re: Good by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      Elon's already out there making more odd taunts. "I'll send him boxes of short shorts." Back to the 80's, I see.....

    26. Re: Good by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair, someone who just saved a bunch of children from an extremely dangerous situation when your own shitty idea was rejected is not trolling you. And calling them a paedophile would get most CEOs fired immediately. Musk was extremely lucky.

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    27. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 1

      1) Vern Unsworth did not save anyone. He wasn't even on the rescue team. He reported the situation and provided information on the cave to the resuers.
      2) The minisub idea wasn't Musk's idea. Musk's idea was an inflated conduit.
      3) The minisub was asked of him by Rick Stanton, the co-head of the rescue team. Including specifications for it to build it to.
      4) If telling someone to shove a submarine up their ass is not trolling, then trolling has no meaning.
      5) Even after Musk apologized, Unsworth's mother called for Musk to be shot.

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    28. Re: Good by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      None of which excuses the handsomely paid CEO of Tesla publicly calling him a paedophile, and then doubling down on it when questioned.

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    29. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cognitive dissonance you have is impressive. Seriously, within the same sentence

      He wasn't even on the rescue team. He ... and provided information on the cave to the resuers(sic)

      Yes folks, though he was advising the rescue team, he wasn't part of it. And I don't care if Musk did apologize, if somebody called me a pedo, even after apologizing I'd tell them to sod off, it's inappropriate, it should have never been said, and just because he apologized doesn't erase it from ever happening. He's an asshole, pure and simple. I remember reading that he notified his second wife he was going to divorce her through twitter, that takes epic levels of douche baggery.

      Also, no, telling somebody to shove something up their ass isn't trolling, it's a classic way of telling somebody who is useless who is being very pushy in no uncertain terms that you wish them to shut up and leave.

    30. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yes folks, though he was advising the rescue team, he wasn't part of it.

      Yes. I'm not sure what's hard for you to understand that. If you give the police info, are you a police officer?

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    31. Re: Good by Rei · · Score: 1

      "Doubling down"? He deleted his posts within hours, and then apologized to the guy who told him to shove his charity-asked-for-by-rescuers-to-save-children up his ass. I'm not sure what exactly you want from him to make amends - for him to shoot himself in the middle of the street? For someone else to do it? Given all of the people who virulently hate the guy, and Unsworth's mother publicly calling for it, hey, if so, you might get your wish.

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    32. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) He reported the situation and provided information on the cave to the resuers.

      In ortherwords a member of the rescue team.

    33. Re: Good by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      You're seriously saying he didn't double down because a few hours after he did so he deleted the comments?

      He most certainly did. He made the allegation. He was called on it. He added "Bet ya a signed dollar it's true".

      That happened.

      Yes, he apologized, and deleted the tweets concerned, but that doesn't change the fact he's an asshole who did an assholish thing, and he shouldn't have done it.

      Why do you defend him all the time, regardless of how shitty his behavior is?

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  2. Software easter eggs have to be hidden! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a shitty /. summary! Software easter eggs have to be hidden! That's why they're called easter eggs: because it takes some effort and luck to find them! If they're announced then they're features, and not easter eggs!

    1. Re:Software easter eggs have to be hidden! by Rei · · Score: 1

      The thing that's silly is that "this" is the Tesla news. On the day that Tesla released its Q2 report and investor call.

      (Obi-Wan voice): "This is not the news you're looking for"

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    2. Re:Software easter eggs have to be hidden! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real easter egg is injecting the secret bit of code that enables the games to be played while driving.

    3. Re:Software easter eggs have to be hidden! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah. We're a technology website, not a finance website. The only people who care about the stock price are the ones who one (or loaned) stock. The rest of us look at the Atari thing and think it's cute.

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    4. Re:Software easter eggs have to be hidden! by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      The thing that's silly is that "this" is the Tesla news. On the day that Tesla released its Q2 report and investor call.

      It's news today because your fearless leader tweeted it today. If he had wanted the focus to remain on the Q2 report and investor call, he easily could have STFU for another day. Be honest with yourself about why he didn't.

  3. So now when your game console crashes... by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... it *really* crashes.

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    1. Re:So now when your game console crashes... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Teslas have the equivalent of Windows' "three finger salute": foot on the brake, press and hold the two scroll wheels until the display goes blank and then shows the "T" logo.

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    2. Re: So now when your game console crashes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "press and hold the two scroll wheels until the display goes blank and then shows the "T" logo."

      Or until you slam into something.

    3. Re:So now when your game console crashes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And their blue screen of death actually kills you.

    4. Re:So now when your game console crashes... by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Teslas have the equivalent of Windows' "three finger salute": foot on the brake, press and hold the two scroll wheels until the display goes blank and then shows the "T" logo.

       

      It is not necessary to apply the brake pedal. I've reset the main console while driving, with foot on the accelerator.

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    5. Re:So now when your game console crashes... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      It is not necessary to apply the brake pedal

      There are suggestions on the forums that pressing the brake pedal results in a deeper reset. I don't know if this is true.

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  4. what whould the faa say if flight controls where l by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    what would the faa say if flight controls where linked to some game?

    Self driving software should NOT NOT NOT be linked to a game in any way.

  5. Still don't want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I want this? You have to be an idiot to want a Tesla.

    1. Re:Still don't want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why is that ? Not that I expect a fucking troll like you to give me a rational, well tought-out answer.

    2. Re:Still don't want one by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Why would I want this? You have to be an idiot to want a Tesla.

      I'm not sure but I think you answered the question yourself..

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    3. Re: Still don't want one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would I want your opinion? You have to be an idiot to want your opinion.

  6. job for brakes.service failed because the control by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    job for brakes.service failed because the control process exited with error code.

  7. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good point. This is another step in the wrong direction in taking driving seriously. Also, very expensive Atari gaming rig.

  8. Perfect complement for autopilot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set the car to hands-free Autopilot mode and play some games while stuck in traffic on the way home!

  9. Games? by hduff · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong . . . ?

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    1. Re:Games? by zlives · · Score: 1

      nothing more than what already has.

  10. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by weilawei · · Score: 1

    Absolutely. Do you really want to teach your young children that the car is a video game console?

  11. Re:$11 billion in debt by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $11 billion in debt and they are working on this? What a pedo

    Total assets ($k): 27,910,000
    Total liabilities ($k): 22,642,887
    Cash on hand ($k): 2,236,424
    Combined gross automotive margins: 20,6% GAAP / 21% non-GAAP
    Model 3 margins: Now slightly positive, in a quarter without any of the higher-margin AWD / P models sold (the latter two now make up half of all deliveries)
    Guidance for Model 3 margins this quarter: 15%
    Guidance for sustained profitability as a company: This quarter onward
    Market says: +9% in after-hours trading

    Aww, I'm sorry, did you have some short positions against the company?

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  12. Games on a car OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good Lord! Let's hope Tesla never gets the rights to Carmageddon:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmageddon

    1. Re:Games on a car OS? by Rei · · Score: 1

      There's only one game that I hope they *never* include in the car:

      Katamari Damacy

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    2. Re:Games on a car OS? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Why? Because of the insane gameplay or the can't-get-it-out-of-my-head intro tune?

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    3. Re:Games on a car OS? by Rei · · Score: 1
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  13. How many lives do you get? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    If you die in your tesla can you go back to your last saved position?

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    1. Re:How many lives do you get? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Yes. However, you transfer to another timeline, so none of the grieving people in this timeline will ever know.

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    2. Re: How many lives do you get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfect.

    3. Re:How many lives do you get? by coofercat · · Score: 1

      No - you're done. However, the person playing Pole Position that crashed your car gets to pick another one and control that instead.

  14. A concerned share holder writes.... by bobbied · · Score: 0

    Mr. Musk,

    It is with mild amusement that I read your latest press release about allowing people to play video games on the Tesla console. Where this is a cool thing and the console is well suited for such entertainment applications I think Tesla needs to concentrate on building cars and stop with the new features.

    I would suggest that a better enhancement might be system for mining crypto currency when a car not on the road. With as much processing power available in these fine machines, mining crypto would likely clear enough profit to pay the owner's gas (um... Electric) bill while it charges every night... But I've got to ask WHY? Please, can we just leave all these cool ideas for later?

    IF Tesla doesn't stop this feature creep and finish engineering their assembly process for low cost, maximum output, the share holders like me are going to get upset. Come on.. Work on building and delivering cars, no more of this PR driven feature creep. Please sir, I need some profits from my investment and that's going to take a bunch cars to be built and sold. Remember when you promised you where doing that? I bet you do. That's the feature I really want from Tesla.

    Signed, concerned share holder.

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    1. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by Rei · · Score: 1

      If you're actually a shareholder you may be interested in knowing that there's no space in the word "shareholder".

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    2. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is really the lowest grade of nitpick.

      Do you have any actual, concrete, reasoned opposition to the content of his post rather than its formatting?

    3. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by mentil · · Score: 1

      I imagine this was put in by the 'entertainment console features' team rather than the 'critical UI' team or the 'self driving' team. They probably ran out of work that they were actually supposed to do, and found time to put in some easter eggs (presumably the games are licensed from Atari, but throwing in an open-source emulator could be done quickly.)

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    4. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by Rei · · Score: 1

      Okay, how about this: I'm an actual shareholder, and Tesla has been doing easter eggs from Day 1, and they're always very popular and well received. It's a trivial amount of labour relative to the amount of positive feedback it generates. Kids especially love them (yes, a large chunk of Tesla owners, like the general population, have children). Unlike with past easter eggs, in this case, Tesla isn't even writing the games - they're just emulated Atari games. I fully, 100% support this, and think they should have done this a lot sooner.

      I'd actually like to see a whole app store ecosystem, but obviously they need to be sure - if they go that route - that it operates only in a very tightly locked down virtual machine. Possibly restricted only to "respectable", established developers.

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    5. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      A lot of us are programmers. If the code doesn't conform to specs, it won't compile.
      Similarly, if there's a problem with the formatting of a comment then we can't read it.

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    6. Re:A concerned share holder writes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a shareholder, if Musk says, "Today the sun was purple!", you'd say, "Oh yeah, it sure was. Saw it myself." Bottom line is: as a shareholder, you can't be trusted.

  15. This is lame by magzteel · · Score: 1

    It cheapens an expensive car

    1. Re:This is lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It cheapens an expensive car

      If you're talking about the Model 3, everything about it is cheap already.

      Except for the price. That's up there.

    2. Re:This is lame by goombah99 · · Score: 2

      or maybe It expensives a cheap game

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  16. they disable? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Musk would have to be stupid to think people would heed his 'warning' that they should not play games while driving.... so he disabled the games when the car is out of park, like every navigation console I have ever used in every other vehicle, right? It would be laughably simple for him to do. Any less and he is just daring people to play while driving.

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    1. Re:they disable? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course it goes without saying that this is only allowed when the car is stationary. But in case it doesn't go without saying: to quote Musk from Twitter: "while stationary tbc haha"

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    2. Re:they disable? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      While the car is stationary or while the car is in park? Those are two different things. Where I live, you can't use a phone when stopped at a stop light, you shouldn't be able to use built in Atari games either.

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  17. Re:$11 billion in debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it appears they are having a hard time selling cars, since they have 400,000 waiting for the $35,000 version.

    I read on the Tesla Motor Club site that customers are getting cars in two weeks now. That means demand is thin among reservation holders if joe shmoe off the street is configuring and getting delivery of a Model 3 in two weeks.

  18. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely. Do you really want to teach your young children that the car is a video game console?

    Good point.

    Further, this is a complete waste of development effort. If there really are no new real features to be added, and the s/w devs are sitting around twiddling their thumbs until the next new feature set gets agreed, then for gawd's sake do something useful. Write further tests or docs, review the code, improve dev tools ... something of actual benefit rather than this crock of <ahem>

    I'm trying to say this in a supportive manner as I'd love Tesla to succeed wildly.

  19. Re:$11 billion in debt by Rei · · Score: 2

    since they have 400,000 waiting for the $35,000 version.

    Except that's not even remotely true. The mix has continually polled at only about a third of reservation holders wanting SR. The biggest chunk of untapped orders is Europe and Asia/Pacific. They don't even start selling over here until next year :

    I read on the Tesla Motor Club site that customers are getting cars in two weeks now.

    If you're really, really lucky. The average wait times are measured in months. But some fast deliveries have happened.

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  20. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    that is not even my point.

    My point is that self driving software needs to held to some like the faa software standards for autopilot software.

    Not even that but when the car is stopped the control can change in to joystick mode??? What if some software falt makes that happen at speed when in non self mode?

  21. Re:$11 billion in debt by Rei · · Score: 1

    Ed: that should read under 1/3rd. The exact number varies from survey to survey (several have been done), some as low as 1/5th, some as high as 1/3rd. I've never seen one come in at over 1/3rd. Of course, Tesla has the most accurate info.

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  22. What? by PPH · · Score: 1

    No Grand Theft Auto?

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  23. center screen is to near driver for it to have gam by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    center screen is to near driver for it to have games on it. Maybe if it where back seat then go nuts with gameing.

  24. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self driving software should not be linked to anything ancillary as you say, but hey, the internet is totally fine according to idiots at Tesla

  25. the self driving liability issues should be bad fo by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    the self driving liability issues should be bad for shareholders and with software with hidden games it's can be very damming in a bad crash say like when uber killed some one when there software failed.

  26. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by mentil · · Score: 1

    would... you... like... to... play... a... game...?
    >Let's play Carmageddon

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  27. The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

    So I am hitting 2 months with the Model 3 and must admit that the "newness" factor is really long lived with this car. For example, I had noticed that the steering wheel seemed to shake every once and a while. It did not seem like a serious "malfunction" but the other day I did Google the issue and realized I was really just experiencing haptic feedback for drifting out of my lane! Its these small, gradual and pleasant surprises that really make the car a lot of fun to own.

    I must have been 3 when my family got me an Atari, and that was probably my first experience to an expansive and revolutionary new technology that seemed to grow along with its users. Consequently, it seems very fitting for Tesla cars to get Atari games.

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    1. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yep. Virtual rumble strips. Someone on M3OC just the other day was discovering that for the first time as well :)

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    2. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So I am hitting 2 months with the Model 3 and must admit that the "newness" factor is really long lived with this car. For example, I had noticed that the steering wheel seemed to shake every once and a while. It did not seem like a serious "malfunction" but the other day I did Google the issue and realized I was really just experiencing haptic feedback for drifting out of my lane! Its these small, gradual and pleasant surprises that really make the car a lot of fun to own.

      Sounds like something that might be documented somewhere. So a) you haven’t bothered to learn about what you paid good money for and b) you were driving around THINKING THAT YOUR FREAKING STEERING WHEEL WAS NOT PROPERLY INSTALLED, but weren’t too concerned.

      But hey, as long as you are having fun! It’s not like anyone else is out there relying on you to know what the heck you are doing behind the (only a shade loose!) wheel.

    3. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      It does make sense, especially with this update for games. After all, you can buy a Logitech gaming steering wheel with haptic feedback!

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    4. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Sounds like something that might be documented somewhere. So a) you haven’t bothered to learn about what you paid good money for and

      Yeah, that is the great thing about having your own money. If I want to buy a car and then casually drive and learn about the features, no one can stop me. If you feel so strongly about RTFM before getting in the car, why not get your own Tesla then? Owning your own Tesla is much more fun than complaining about how other's own theirs . . . trust me on this one.

      b) you were driving around THINKING THAT YOUR FREAKING STEERING WHEEL WAS NOT PROPERLY INSTALLED, but weren’t too concerned.

      You must have never driven a Tesla before . . . it definitely was not a "YOUR FREAKING STEERING WHEEL WAS NOT PROPERLY INSTALLED" type of feeling. Hard to explain it in words. . . you should at least test drive a Tesla and find out for yourself. . . I am confident you will become a more pleasant Anon poster, too, if you do so.

      But hey, as long as you are having fun!

      YES! The Model 3 is so fun to drive! But I think I am being redundant. . . Did I mention that the Model 3 is super fun to drive? Cause it is. . .

      It’s not like anyone else is out there relying on you to know what the heck you are doing behind the (only a shade loose!) wheel.

      This is my summary of events:
      1) I unconsciously drift towards the lane line
      2) Haptic feedback engages
      3) My attention is brought to the wheel and road (did I run over some gravel or something? No? Weird. . .), in the process the drift is corrected.

      This probably happened a grand total of twice over two months, so your conniption fit, though enjoyable to watch, is probably unwarranted. . . Additionally, compare that to now where I occasional purposely drift in order to marvel at the haptic feedback system. . . Which is safer? You decide (actually, go test drive a Tesla first 'cause I think your opinion on this matter is pretty irrelevant until you do. . .).

      Anyway, my advice to you, my friend, is that you need to do less Slashdot Anon complaining and more Tesla driving. . . you will have a more enjoyable life that way. . . Stop living vicariously and angrily through others :p

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    5. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "every once IN a while", you ignorant American cretin...

    6. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what amazed you was the lane departure warning that is such standard equipment it's even in a Ford Focus?

      What amazes me is that you apparently drive so badly but haven't yet killed anyone.

    7. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Excellent job of proving the AC's point--you really don't get that F=ma thing, do you?

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    8. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      His Russian's nothing to brag about, either.

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    9. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Excellent job of proving my point--you really don't get that E=mc^2 thing, do you?
      (Based on your username and your post history, I get that you just post a lot of mindless one liners. I am just trying to play long. Btw, you're a bot, right?)

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    10. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1
      Wait, you are blasting me for not being aware of haptic feedback in steering wheels for lane drifting, which is a couple of years old (people usually buy cars once every 5 years. . .), and you still haven't figured out how to create a Slashdot account, which is 20 years old? I think your display of cognitive dissonance is what is truly amazing here. . .

      What amazes me is that you apparently drive so badly but haven't yet killed anyone.

      How can you make that assumption (applies equally both to your bad driving assumption and haven't yet killed anyone assumption. . .)? Either way, guess you should be happy I got a Tesla that will soon be able to completely drive itself?

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    11. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Awesome. . . my post was apparently important enough for someone to volunteer to be my editor. Duly noted! Will make sure the edit gets into my published memoir version of the post. Thanks!

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    12. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Ah, apparently you are a Russian bot!

      Bot, correct Russian below.

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    13. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are apparently a butt-hurt semi-literate self-absorbed teen-aged fool. HAND.

    14. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Dear AC,
      As an AC poster, I have no context to understand your post in respect to this thread. So I will respond more generally . . . Someone who lobs such vitriol from the safety of anonymity reflects a degree of cowardice that is self-betraying and only hurts the owner of said act. I could try to guess your motivations. . . perhaps this stems from a suppressed self-loathing and insecurity that you attempt to cover-up with hubris and arrogance towards others. Or, perhaps you have at some point of your life mistook skepticism and pessimism as the essence of intellect, and, as a result, you have scorched away all traces of hope from your mental model of the world. However, at the end of the day, these would only be projections of people that I actually know, and there is no way I could ever know they apply to you.

      So, let me leave it at this. . . In the end, our small, insignificant lives are defined by the sum of our actions. Those during loud, life changing events and, those during quiet, otherwise routine moments. Your actions here are part of who you are. I truly hope that dark moments like these are not your proudest moments. Why else post as an AC? But, nevertheless, these actions still belong to you, and, consequently, define who you are. Anonymity may keep you safe from accountability to others, but it cannot save you from accountability to yourself. So my hope is that you will start to reflect during your darker moments like this and learn to do more in the light and less in the dark. Life is fleeting, and it is better to face the flames of tortured souls in the light than it is to join their ranks in the cowardice of the dark.

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    15. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're experiencing lane departure warnings then you're a bad driver. QED.

      If you're experiencing lane departure warnings and you don't know what they're for, then you're an accident waiting to happen.

    16. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are really wrapped up in yourself, aren't you?

    17. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Ich spreche aber auch Deutsch. Was bin ich genau?

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    18. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      MCCOY: They're soft, and they make a pleasant sound.

      SPOCK: So would an ermine violin, Doctor, yet I see no utility in owning one.

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    19. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but I am not the one still posting as AC. At least my issues are out in the open where they can be addressed while you are viewing the world through a peephole. . . At least you are being more civil now. Perhaps my last post stroke a note, and you have realized that you cannot hide from your own actions?

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    20. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      And German!

      Bot: Bitte korrigieren Sie mein Russisch unten.

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    21. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Sloppy language is often an indicator of sloppy thinking as well.

      You'll notice I'm not volunteering to edit your memoirs, since I don't work for free, but I'll be happy to discuss my rates with you.

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    22. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      If you're experiencing lane departure warnings then you're a bad driver. If you're experiencing lane departure warnings and you don't know what they're for, then you're an accident waiting to happen.

      So, if you are driving on an empty road, no cars to be seen, and you change lanes without signalling and without recognizing the reason your wheel is vibrating, 2 times over two months, you are an accident waiting open. . . Ok, I think I am getting an image of you when you cross the street.

      However, what I think you are actually trying to say is: you are endorsing my Tesla purchase, as it will likely be the first car to get full autonomy and that I am extremely lucky to have survived my first two months of ownership and, now that I know about the haptic feedback, my likelihood of surviving long enough to be saved by Tesla's full autonomous driving functionality has increased significantly. Overall, a very positive future outlook, just like Tesla's. Thanks!

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    23. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I would be very happy if Mr Musk devoted some of his wealth to building a nationwide passenger rail system based on technologies already in use, which would actually do the country a lot more good than either the Tesla or the Hyperloop. One thing I am not really looking forward to, should I ever move back to the US, is being obliged to have a car again—something I've got along quite well without here in Europe for the last 10+ years.

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    24. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but I think it would be very difficult due to American politics. A single-payer medical system would be much easier to implement and America is probably decades away (if even that) from ever considering that due to politics. . .

      I think a more likely possibility is a network of fully autonomous cars that ends up looking a lot like passenger rail (except it runs on top of pavement instead of rails). Americans are a stubborn lot and are more likely to reinvent things than adopt what has worked elsewhere (e.g. gun control in Australia).

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    25. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Well, you have basically endorsed the AC's post, and your /. profile says you are an editor by profession . . So yes, it appears I have tricked you into working for me for free.

      Looks like you have had to trade some business acumen in order to gain some ability in linguistic pedantry = )

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    26. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Ok, ok. . .you are not a bot but some kind of grammar vigilante.

      But I don't see now that your weakness is not the double negative. . . take that.

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    27. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'm telling you is that you're a terrible driver, should have your license revoked, and be taken off the road.

      Every post you make renders that fact clearer and clearer, so the sooner you're removed the better for the rest of the world, and we'd rather not wait the 20 years it'll take Tesla to reach "full autonomy" thanks. Tomorrow is much better for the rest of us, before you end up killing someone.

    28. Re:The car that keeps on giving. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

      Funny. . . I think you are just jealous : )

      Each time you respond, I am impressed by the additional effort you must put in as an AC to track this thread (how many refresh clicks did it require to read this?). Each response further strengthens my conviction that jealousy must be the driving factor for your rage posts . . .

      By the way, where I drive, lane lines are textured to alert drivers that they are on the lane line. The haptic feedback definitely gets engaged before that point. So you are basically trying to make a silly point that approaching the lane line is dangerous. If you do not use the full lane to give other drivers who are hugging their own lane line or bike riders additional space, you are the dangerous driver. But, I am pretty sure the underlying issue is envy, so I have long given up on trying to have a rational debate on this subject with you.

      At this point, this thread is about the grin it gives me every time the haptic feedback of my Tesla is engaged, and I am reminded of some ravenous Slashdot AC that could never come to terms with his own envy (and had a "Rain Man" like view of haptic feedback). Please never stop posting to this thread : )

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  28. Can it play Doom? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    The real easter egg will be the hidden doom module.

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    1. Re:Can it play Doom? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      well played

    2. Re:Can it play Doom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Full self-driving features" does sound like a hidden doom module.

  29. Absolutely Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Musk wants to steal you money for a shit car, and then kill you in a traffic accident. He needs to be put in jail.

  30. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    would like a good game of need for speed?

  31. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, fess up, how many people of a certain age learned to drive playing Pole Position?

  32. Re:$11 billion in debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you Musk, you deserve to be in prison for stock fraud, embezzling, racketeering, and pretty much all other financial crimes.

  33. Neat by Z80a · · Score: 1

    If i remember well, all those games use paddle controllers, so will map quite well to the steering wheel.

    1. Re:Neat by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      Missile Command is best played with a track ball.

  34. You can play pole position and drive at same time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yep same as above.

  35. Re:$11 billion in debt by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Most of that asset base is the plant and equipment. Cash and convertibles have risen a bit, but not nearly as fast as debt. That debt has bought property - that's good for bond holders (who usually get paid out first when a company goes bankrupt), but the property typically cannot be used as leverage for raising more funds/loans/debt.

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  36. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hot Pursuit sounds fun.

  37. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    this could very well be some devs personal project, which he happened to be able to show to musk and maybe make a buck or so? you kindof have to give the benefit of the doubt on these kinds of things. others have done far more in their spare time.

  38. How does this work? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Tesla's steering system is fairly conventional. Steering wheel turns a shaft that moves a rack and pinion. There's also an electric motor attached to the shaft for power steering and autopilot. Will the wheels scrub back and forth on the road when the game is being played? Tesla's system isn't "fly-by-wire".

  39. Pole Position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 8-bit graphics of Pole Position are exactly how Autopilot sees the world, especially when it crashes you into a center median barricade. I used to crash in Pole Position a lot in the 80s. Now Tesla owners can experience the same effects in the real world. Technology!

  40. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by EETech1 · · Score: 1

    Ahhhj! You've figured it out!
    The fully autonomous driving will be on Pole Position!

    Way to sleuth the clues:)

  41. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by EETech1 · · Score: 1

    The drivers ed teacher didn't like the whole "spin the steering wheel at 100 RPM" tactic when I tried it...

  42. Fix the damn media player by Octorian · · Score: 1

    Seriously, they should stop chasing distractions like this and fix the damn media player in the car. Its quirky and buggy to the extent that its a constant frustration, and the v8 "major overhaul" just introduced regressions alongside a coat of UI polish.

    Of course that won't make for flashy press releases, or news attractive to people who casually browse headlines. You have to actually own the car, and drive it regularly, for any of this to benefit you.

  43. Meanwhile, no CarPlay or Android Auto by mccalli · · Score: 2

    If you're going to add software...

    1. Re:Meanwhile, no CarPlay or Android Auto by Rei · · Score: 1

      Do people actually like Car Play / Android Auto?

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    2. Re:Meanwhile, no CarPlay or Android Auto by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's all about the integration with the rest of your life. Playlists everywhere, familiar and more-oftently-updated apps, integration with you chosen voice assistant, podcasts syncing read status...

      It's an integration thing - one less thing to worry about being different and if it syncs or not.

  44. It's what you've all been asking for...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... SKYRIM on Tesla

  45. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by dromgodis · · Score: 1

    But since they are about to release a new version of their software, with "full self-driving features", could you hook them up to make it play Pole Position by itself?

    Now that I think of it, maybe that is how they train the self-driving.

  46. Re:$11 billion in debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't call people pedos unless you know for a fact that they molest children. Thanks.

  47. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Tesla already has a web browser, with Javascript enabled. The security wheels came off that one long ago.

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  48. Re:$11 billion in debt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Which is fine, but I think Tesla/Rei now has to admit that the $35k is pretty unappealing and few people actually want it. So the idea of a really affordable long range EV has, for all practical purposes, been dropped.

    In fact, you could say that the $35k version is basically a compliance car, in this case compliance with Musk's original promise. It's not something they really want to make, and it's not even very competitive.

    That's all fine, it's a nice car and I'm glad they are selling loads of them, but it's time to drop the $35k claim.

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  49. Oh come now by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    How am I supposed to focus on a game while the windshield is still transparent??

  50. Green lights by slipped_bit · · Score: 1

    Great, if mobile phones aren't bad enough, now there will be even more distractions causing people to just sit when the light turns green, further adding to traffic problems.

  51. Pole Position by puddingebola · · Score: 1

    Does this mean we will have a 30 car pile up on I-95 one day because someone was trying to get the high score on Pole Position?

  52. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Riiiiiiiiiiidge Raceeeeeeeer!

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  53. Phone use illegal, Gaming is OK by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    You can get substantial fine almost everywhere in the US by texting or talking on your cell phone while you drive, but apparently playing Frogger while you drive is OK. God bless America.

    1. Re:Phone use illegal, Gaming is OK by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      You can get substantial fine almost everywhere in the US by texting or talking on your cell phone while you drive, but apparently playing Frogger while you drive is OK. God bless America.

      As long as its Tesla.

      Being hip has its privileges!

  54. Re: what whould the faa say if flight controls whe by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    Crazy Taxi.

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  55. Re:what whould the faa say if flight controls wher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do you even get out of bed in the morning if you could break your neck just in that first step? why do anything if there is the slightest bit of risk involved? why change anything at all when we could just keep things the exact same forever and ever?

    Your point is that you are trying to conflate the self driving side of the software and the existence of an easter-egg that requires the user to have the car stopped (aka speed = 0) in order to use the car's controls for the video game.

    It is one thing to argue that the self driving feature should comply by FAA standards, although i dont know why you would argue that as autopilot on the ground seems like it would be much more complicated than in the air and thus be held to much higher standards.

    Its another thing to argue that video game controls should not be linked to the physical controls of a vehicle, which given the right safety interlocks (ie speed = 0) should be a non issue.

    Its a completely different thing to just assume that people are going to be turning on autopilot and then attempting to play a video game using the vehicles controls as the game input. I am pretty sure than several government agencies would have a conniption if that were even remotely possible and you can bet that they will be looking closely at Tesla as anyone holding a position against Tesla (other automotive manufacturers, investors, politicians, etc.) will be making sure that everything is scrutinized. No, your point was to use shitty logic to throw shade at Tesla based on your own preconceived notions of the company and what you think they are going to do.

  56. Nice. by sootman · · Score: 1

    So when you're not driving, you can pretend to drive, and when you *are* driving, you can set the car to drive itself.

    What a time to be alive.

    This is the perfect vehicle to drive the to the gym so you can walk on a treadmill.

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  57. Re:$11 billion in debt by Rei · · Score: 1

    Not in the least. $35k has been confirmed by two independent teardowns, as well as stated by Tesla itself, to be profitable. A profitable vehicle is in no way a "compliance car" But they're only - don't be shocked by this - pulling demand levers whenever they can actually make use of them. And at current production rates, they're in a flood of orders already. Demand levers include:

      * Opening up left-hand-drive Europe and ASPA.
      * Air suspension (minor, but some people are waiting for it)
      * Tow hitch (relatively unimportant in the US, but big in Europe, particularly Scandinavia)
      * Opening up right-hand drive
      * SR battery
      * Non-PUP
      * White interior for non-AWD (minor)
      * More showrooms (current showrooms are very few and far apart; Tesla mainly relies on word of mouth at present)
      * Advertising (they'll eventually go there, but that's the last lever they'll pull).

    When Tesla has the production capacity to serve higher margin orders *and* lower margin orders, they'll open lower margin orders. But what's silly is calling a vehicle that multiple entities have confirmed as profitable "a compliance car". That's opposite to the definition of a compliance car. They'll make money on every $35k Model 3 they sell, and thus have an interest in selling as many of them as they can.

    They have to get the production rates there first, however. What's your argument exactly? I'm curious. Are you asking them to never introduce a vehicle that's profitable (SR, non-PUP) - that when their production hits levels to saturate global demand for LR+PUP, that they should just stop growing and give up the SR and non-PUP markets? Or is your argument that they should start selling lower margin vehicles immediately (despite all of the backlog for higher margin vehicles) and slow down their expansion?

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  58. Re:$11 billion in debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Musk publicly said he was building a giant metal dildo and going to Thailand to get some underage boys.

  59. Re:$11 billion in debt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's time to drop the $35k claim.

    Tesla already dropped when they cancelled it.