clearly, if we had just allowed the invisible hand of the free market to work this out, we would have done much better by now. we'd be able to fly to jupiter for the price of a roundtrip from london to sydney. of course, we'd have to accept a higher rate of failure, and maybe some pesky loss of human life, but that is the cost of progress, and exactly what the market wants you to do.
Government undertaking grandiose projects, be it man on moon, be it universal healthcare, be it war on poverty, are all typically Democratic thinking
except he didn't say nasa would do it - he just said it would be done. gingrich could just as well claim progress on it by handing out massive tax breaks to walmart, spirit airways, and toyota; saying that they get the tax breaks to work on the project. 30 years later the tax breaks will still be there, and we still won't have a moon base.
however you don't need to worry about that as gingrich has no chance whatsoever of beating obama, even if he manages to win the nomination.
rand paul likely did this on purpose for the very purpose of trying to bring more of his dad's cult members to his own support for 2016. both pauls would like to thank the rabbid paullowers here at slashdot for posting this story to the front page to help them gain a little more attention.
he'll have to take Presidential power far beyond what his philosophy permits
that is pretty much what his cult wants him to do. they support his dream of "a government you can drown in a bathtub", which would mean a government of one person. ron paul wants to be the dictator for life with no restrictions, which is what he would achieve if he were the one person in a government of one, as there would be nobody to question his power. he wouldn't have to worry about getting others to vote the way he wants, as he wants to dismantle all the other power structures present and fire the rest of the federal government.
what people don't seem to realize is both that this is what would be required to realize his dream, as well as the fact that he has never opposed such a thing happening. ron paul just happens to have a thoroughly brainwashed cult of followers behind him who have for no good reason aside from repetition been convinced otherwise.
mediocrity is what you get for electing a mediocre president. elect ron paul, see all the environmental regulations instantly repealed, and see records break.
your lord and savior wants to establish a fascist dictatorship with himself being the only one empowered. that does not help any of the causes you claim to be favoring.
The correct answer is to get government out of business, finance, money, regulations and subsidies and this also means abolishing copyrights and patents.
keep drinking the kool-aid, keep drinking the kool-aid. just because it is in your scriptures doesn't mean it is an effective solution. under the proposals of your lord and savior - which thankfully are well beyond the powers granted to the president - nobody but the wealthiest enjoy any kind of sovereignty. everyone else becomes enslaved to those people with no chance of ever being able to change the situation or influence it in the slightest.
the slogan for your lord and savior's campaign should be "happiness in slavery" because it is the best that >>99% of people in the us could ever hope for if he got what he wants.
Nuclear and hopeful thermonuclear for use in homes and in vehicles
intelligent people remember that ford proposed that 50+ years ago. i'm pretty sure its failure to happen wasn't due to excessive government regulation, though you'll probably claim otherwise.
to which i will say, why don't they have nuclear powered automobiles in a free-market dream country (ie, somalia)?
Obama isn't interested in your quest for liberty and civility
that depends on how one defines those terms. an argument could be made that ron paul isn't, either.
he is a self imposed dictator at this point
whereas your lord and savior ron paul would eliminate everyone in government except for himself to meet his "government you can drown in a bathtub" principle, at which point there are no longer any constitutional checks and balances to keep him from being an eternal dictator.
he can kill you wherever you are in the world and he can capture you and torture you, and he can do it because he has huge military in his disposal
your guy will make all the current wage slaves in the us into actual slaves, owned like property by the companies they work for. the remaining worker's rights (all three or so of them that haven't already been discarded) will be thrown out the window in the name of "free market liberty" or some such bullshit. workers will fear taking a day off when they are seriously ill because under the world your lord wants, they could be immediately fired for it with no benefits to them or repercussions to their masters for that happening.
that's the extent of the reason behind it - just power and he wants more of it and his handlers want more of it
you would have to be mentally ill to not realize that ron paul is power hungry as well. he only serves his masters in a different way.
the way we are systematically working to defund scientific research, there won't be much debate in the us much longer anyways. the scientists will be debating instead which country to move to so they can continue with their work.
Doesn't he want to close military bases around the world
that part, you got right. ron paul does indeed want to close bases, fire military personnel, and end the overseas conflicts yesterday.
and move freed money to SS to keep it afloat
that part, you have wrong. ron paul wants to see the government end social security yesterday. he is opposed to all forms of entitlement and views the government as irreparably corrupt and incapable of handling such matters. he wants the government reduced to a single employee who is not paid by citizens but rather by their own existing wealth. he wants the irs and all other financial instruments of the federal government closed yesterday.
he most certainly does not want to keep social security, or any other program ever started or touched by the government, to be kept afloat.
for some reason some people don't seem to realize that the president does not have the unilateral power to do all those on his own.
companies barely need excuses to punish employees anymore, they can just do it to keep the others in line.
but it gets better, though. if ron paul had his way, companies would effectively own their employees (to an even greater extent than they already do) and punish them more severely with no chance of the employees being able to do anything reactionary to it.
life obeys the laws of thermodynamics, no matter where it occurs. hence it needs an energy source in order to sustain itself; regardless of whether it is oxygen, sulfur, vespene, or unobtanium. find the consumption of energy and you will likely find life.
you almost had a point, and then you threw it away with
The only thing we know for sure is that when government interferes with market, it causes failure.
you need to get off the kool-aid once in a while and come down to earth. just because you hate everyone doesn't mean that nobody beyond you and your lord and savior ron paul are capable of thought or actions with positive outcome.
a better summary of your comment history can be derived from the same - "the only thing we know for sure is that when roman_mir gets philosophical, he becomes failure"
the ron paul worshippers claim that he represents all that is good and possible in the world. do not believe them. think instead of what is actually required for him to accomplish his "government small enough to drown in a bathtub", and what that actually means for anyone who is not currently well off. sure as geeks we like to think we are doing well because we believe ourselves to be smarter than average, but no smart person would vote for someone such as ron paul who aims for such unitary unchecked control over government and such total dismemberment of basic functions that make life possible for those of us who make less than $250k per year.
just because ron paul is wildly popular with slashdot members does not mean he will actually do anything good for many of us.
Those sorts of user IDs are only used by frenzied and overzealous obsessives
quite the opposite, really. i created this account to show how frenzied and overzealous the ron paul cultists are here on slashdot. i would say i have met that goal fairly well.
actually, he was slightly dishonest - or at least, misleading - with that comment. as a proud ron paul cultist, roman_mir doesn't actually want to abolish the entire government. after all, a government with no people in it cannot be drowned in a bathtub any more so than a government with thousands of people in it. the only government that can be drowned in a bathtub is a government of one. naturally, ron paul cultists want that one person to be their lord and savior ron paul himself.
that will, of course, have no positive effect on terrorism either. but when there is no longer a state for terrorists to act against, then it becomes that much easier for people who are not direct victims to ignore it or pretend it didn't matter.
you just entered into a discussion with a devoted ron paul cultist. he will happily ignore reality and cross rivers of fire to defend his lord and savior ron paul. to him there is no middle ground in any discussion, there is only what ron paul says and then there is that which is wrong.
there you go again, telling us the gospel of your lord and savior ron paul. nevermind the fact that the primary aim of his life is to stomp all over the US constitution by taking all the powers that are constitutionally divided and claiming them for himself so that he can have "a government you can drown in a bathtub". as you pointed out earlier, you cultists feel that the biggest problem with a democracy is the voters; well once you setup a one-person government - better known as a dictatorship - it isn't very difficult to abolish democracy, is it?
praise and worship your lord and savior all you want, but don't try to tell us he is an engine for positive change for the usa. nobody would do more damage than ron paul if he was allowed to unilaterally roll out everything he wants. thankfully, we have that pesky constitution to ensure he cannot do that.
There is only 1 thing wrong with democracy: voters.
it is plenty clear that your lord and savior wants to abolish representative government. now you show us that you, as a proud member of the cult of ron paul, want to do the same. it makes sense, though, that you would want to do that. after all, if you are abolishing representative government, why bother having elections at all?
To followers of at least one rapidly-growing branch of Christianity
except that roman_mir is not a christian. nor is he, as he tries to claim, an atheist, either. roman_mir is a ron paul cultist. everything he does, he does to honor his lord and savior ron paul. every message he writes is to bring more people in to his cult to worship at the altar of lord paul.
But I've talked to one of Jehovah's Witnesses who sees it as from bad to bad because the end of generosity doesn't justify the means of celebrating a modernized form of Saturnalia
that is one conclusion one could make from the christmas carol. it is not likely the one that roman_mir would make, however. roman_mir would prefer to see all the current religious holidays go away so that people could see the light of his almighty and perfect savior, lord ron paul. end of generosity is fine for him, he never supported the idea anyways. saturnalia looks like government welfare to him, picking winners and losers when the free market could do the job better.
perhaps you didn't realize who you just replied to. roman_mir is a proud ron paul cultist. to him, scrooge - particularly from the start of the classic christmas carol - is the hero of the story. roman_mir likely views the christmas carol as a tragedy and looks up to scrooge's early ideals.
Yes, the system is broken, the only correct income, payroll and corporate tax is 0, you are correct.
which only further insulates the wealthy from the poor. with no income going in to the government, education becomes accessible only to the wealthy. transportation deteriorates because there is no money to fix it, and roads become private with tolls collected to maintain them - which restricts the poor to traveling only by foot. police departments are shut down because they can't pay anyone, which means that only people who can afford private security contracts will have any security at all. ambulance services are available only to people who can afford to pay the driver, but of course that isn't a big deal since most people won't be able to afford health care - and certainly not hospital visits - anyways.
if that sounds good to you, then i suggest you go spend some time in somalia. they've been running your experiment for a while, you can go see it applied there and report back on how wonderful it is.
cut militarism and bring all troops home from across the globe
that is the only good idea your lord and savior ron paul ever had. unfortunately, he has it for the wrong reasons. intelligent people want to end the war because they are a waste of human life. your lord and savior wants to end the war to save money.
If it's not Ron Paul, then the way these programs will be shut down is going to be by the dollar crashing and the loss of purchasing power will mean that the nominal numbers on the coming checks will buy nothing.
you could sound like less of a lunatic if you didn't stick so firmly to the my-lord-and-savior-ron-paul-or-nothing mentality. you don't help the cult of ron paul when you spend so much time preaching the cult's gospel and so little time actually paying attention to the validity of ideas that don't originate from your lord and savior.
clearly, this fjord-cooled data center is the product of a massive government/environmentalist conspiracy, to tout global warming awareness. earth gets too warm, and your data center will melt down...
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clearly, if we had just allowed the invisible hand of the free market to work this out, we would have done much better by now. we'd be able to fly to jupiter for the price of a roundtrip from london to sydney. of course, we'd have to accept a higher rate of failure, and maybe some pesky loss of human life, but that is the cost of progress, and exactly what the market wants you to do.
Government undertaking grandiose projects, be it man on moon, be it universal healthcare, be it war on poverty, are all typically Democratic thinking
except he didn't say nasa would do it - he just said it would be done. gingrich could just as well claim progress on it by handing out massive tax breaks to walmart, spirit airways, and toyota; saying that they get the tax breaks to work on the project. 30 years later the tax breaks will still be there, and we still won't have a moon base.
however you don't need to worry about that as gingrich has no chance whatsoever of beating obama, even if he manages to win the nomination.
rand paul likely did this on purpose for the very purpose of trying to bring more of his dad's cult members to his own support for 2016. both pauls would like to thank the rabbid paullowers here at slashdot for posting this story to the front page to help them gain a little more attention.
he'll have to take Presidential power far beyond what his philosophy permits
that is pretty much what his cult wants him to do. they support his dream of "a government you can drown in a bathtub", which would mean a government of one person. ron paul wants to be the dictator for life with no restrictions, which is what he would achieve if he were the one person in a government of one, as there would be nobody to question his power. he wouldn't have to worry about getting others to vote the way he wants, as he wants to dismantle all the other power structures present and fire the rest of the federal government.
what people don't seem to realize is both that this is what would be required to realize his dream, as well as the fact that he has never opposed such a thing happening. ron paul just happens to have a thoroughly brainwashed cult of followers behind him who have for no good reason aside from repetition been convinced otherwise.
mediocrity is what you get for electing a mediocre president. elect ron paul, see all the environmental regulations instantly repealed, and see records break.
your lord and savior wants to establish a fascist dictatorship with himself being the only one empowered. that does not help any of the causes you claim to be favoring.
The correct answer is to get government out of business, finance, money, regulations and subsidies and this also means abolishing copyrights and patents.
keep drinking the kool-aid, keep drinking the kool-aid. just because it is in your scriptures doesn't mean it is an effective solution. under the proposals of your lord and savior - which thankfully are well beyond the powers granted to the president - nobody but the wealthiest enjoy any kind of sovereignty. everyone else becomes enslaved to those people with no chance of ever being able to change the situation or influence it in the slightest.
the slogan for your lord and savior's campaign should be "happiness in slavery" because it is the best that >>99% of people in the us could ever hope for if he got what he wants.
Nuclear and hopeful thermonuclear for use in homes and in vehicles
intelligent people remember that ford proposed that 50+ years ago. i'm pretty sure its failure to happen wasn't due to excessive government regulation, though you'll probably claim otherwise.
to which i will say, why don't they have nuclear powered automobiles in a free-market dream country (ie, somalia)?
Obama isn't interested in your quest for liberty and civility
that depends on how one defines those terms. an argument could be made that ron paul isn't, either.
he is a self imposed dictator at this point
whereas your lord and savior ron paul would eliminate everyone in government except for himself to meet his "government you can drown in a bathtub" principle, at which point there are no longer any constitutional checks and balances to keep him from being an eternal dictator.
he can kill you wherever you are in the world and he can capture you and torture you, and he can do it because he has huge military in his disposal
your guy will make all the current wage slaves in the us into actual slaves, owned like property by the companies they work for. the remaining worker's rights (all three or so of them that haven't already been discarded) will be thrown out the window in the name of "free market liberty" or some such bullshit. workers will fear taking a day off when they are seriously ill because under the world your lord wants, they could be immediately fired for it with no benefits to them or repercussions to their masters for that happening.
that's the extent of the reason behind it - just power and he wants more of it and his handlers want more of it
you would have to be mentally ill to not realize that ron paul is power hungry as well. he only serves his masters in a different way.
the way we are systematically working to defund scientific research, there won't be much debate in the us much longer anyways. the scientists will be debating instead which country to move to so they can continue with their work.
Doesn't he want to close military bases around the world
that part, you got right. ron paul does indeed want to close bases, fire military personnel, and end the overseas conflicts yesterday.
and move freed money to SS to keep it afloat
that part, you have wrong. ron paul wants to see the government end social security yesterday. he is opposed to all forms of entitlement and views the government as irreparably corrupt and incapable of handling such matters. he wants the government reduced to a single employee who is not paid by citizens but rather by their own existing wealth. he wants the irs and all other financial instruments of the federal government closed yesterday.
he most certainly does not want to keep social security, or any other program ever started or touched by the government, to be kept afloat.
for some reason some people don't seem to realize that the president does not have the unilateral power to do all those on his own.
companies barely need excuses to punish employees anymore, they can just do it to keep the others in line.
but it gets better, though. if ron paul had his way, companies would effectively own their employees (to an even greater extent than they already do) and punish them more severely with no chance of the employees being able to do anything reactionary to it.
life obeys the laws of thermodynamics, no matter where it occurs. hence it needs an energy source in order to sustain itself; regardless of whether it is oxygen, sulfur, vespene, or unobtanium. find the consumption of energy and you will likely find life.
you almost had a point, and then you threw it away with
The only thing we know for sure is that when government interferes with market, it causes failure.
you need to get off the kool-aid once in a while and come down to earth. just because you hate everyone doesn't mean that nobody beyond you and your lord and savior ron paul are capable of thought or actions with positive outcome.
a better summary of your comment history can be derived from the same - "the only thing we know for sure is that when roman_mir gets philosophical, he becomes failure"
the ron paul worshippers claim that he represents all that is good and possible in the world. do not believe them. think instead of what is actually required for him to accomplish his "government small enough to drown in a bathtub", and what that actually means for anyone who is not currently well off. sure as geeks we like to think we are doing well because we believe ourselves to be smarter than average, but no smart person would vote for someone such as ron paul who aims for such unitary unchecked control over government and such total dismemberment of basic functions that make life possible for those of us who make less than $250k per year.
just because ron paul is wildly popular with slashdot members does not mean he will actually do anything good for many of us.
Those sorts of user IDs are only used by frenzied and overzealous obsessives
quite the opposite, really. i created this account to show how frenzied and overzealous the ron paul cultists are here on slashdot. i would say i have met that goal fairly well.
actually, he was slightly dishonest - or at least, misleading - with that comment. as a proud ron paul cultist, roman_mir doesn't actually want to abolish the entire government. after all, a government with no people in it cannot be drowned in a bathtub any more so than a government with thousands of people in it. the only government that can be drowned in a bathtub is a government of one. naturally, ron paul cultists want that one person to be their lord and savior ron paul himself.
that will, of course, have no positive effect on terrorism either. but when there is no longer a state for terrorists to act against, then it becomes that much easier for people who are not direct victims to ignore it or pretend it didn't matter.
you just entered into a discussion with a devoted ron paul cultist. he will happily ignore reality and cross rivers of fire to defend his lord and savior ron paul. to him there is no middle ground in any discussion, there is only what ron paul says and then there is that which is wrong.
there you go again, telling us the gospel of your lord and savior ron paul. nevermind the fact that the primary aim of his life is to stomp all over the US constitution by taking all the powers that are constitutionally divided and claiming them for himself so that he can have "a government you can drown in a bathtub". as you pointed out earlier, you cultists feel that the biggest problem with a democracy is the voters; well once you setup a one-person government - better known as a dictatorship - it isn't very difficult to abolish democracy, is it?
praise and worship your lord and savior all you want, but don't try to tell us he is an engine for positive change for the usa. nobody would do more damage than ron paul if he was allowed to unilaterally roll out everything he wants. thankfully, we have that pesky constitution to ensure he cannot do that.
... the more they stay the same. nobody should be surprised that this happened.
There is only 1 thing wrong with democracy: voters.
it is plenty clear that your lord and savior wants to abolish representative government. now you show us that you, as a proud member of the cult of ron paul, want to do the same. it makes sense, though, that you would want to do that. after all, if you are abolishing representative government, why bother having elections at all?
To followers of at least one rapidly-growing branch of Christianity
except that roman_mir is not a christian. nor is he, as he tries to claim, an atheist, either. roman_mir is a ron paul cultist. everything he does, he does to honor his lord and savior ron paul. every message he writes is to bring more people in to his cult to worship at the altar of lord paul.
But I've talked to one of Jehovah's Witnesses who sees it as from bad to bad because the end of generosity doesn't justify the means of celebrating a modernized form of Saturnalia
that is one conclusion one could make from the christmas carol. it is not likely the one that roman_mir would make, however. roman_mir would prefer to see all the current religious holidays go away so that people could see the light of his almighty and perfect savior, lord ron paul. end of generosity is fine for him, he never supported the idea anyways. saturnalia looks like government welfare to him, picking winners and losers when the free market could do the job better.
Oh joy. Scrooge has a Slashdot account.
perhaps you didn't realize who you just replied to. roman_mir is a proud ron paul cultist. to him, scrooge - particularly from the start of the classic christmas carol - is the hero of the story. roman_mir likely views the christmas carol as a tragedy and looks up to scrooge's early ideals.
Yes, the system is broken, the only correct income, payroll and corporate tax is 0, you are correct.
which only further insulates the wealthy from the poor. with no income going in to the government, education becomes accessible only to the wealthy. transportation deteriorates because there is no money to fix it, and roads become private with tolls collected to maintain them - which restricts the poor to traveling only by foot. police departments are shut down because they can't pay anyone, which means that only people who can afford private security contracts will have any security at all. ambulance services are available only to people who can afford to pay the driver, but of course that isn't a big deal since most people won't be able to afford health care - and certainly not hospital visits - anyways.
if that sounds good to you, then i suggest you go spend some time in somalia. they've been running your experiment for a while, you can go see it applied there and report back on how wonderful it is.
cut militarism and bring all troops home from across the globe
that is the only good idea your lord and savior ron paul ever had. unfortunately, he has it for the wrong reasons. intelligent people want to end the war because they are a waste of human life. your lord and savior wants to end the war to save money.
If it's not Ron Paul, then the way these programs will be shut down is going to be by the dollar crashing and the loss of purchasing power will mean that the nominal numbers on the coming checks will buy nothing.
you could sound like less of a lunatic if you didn't stick so firmly to the my-lord-and-savior-ron-paul-or-nothing mentality. you don't help the cult of ron paul when you spend so much time preaching the cult's gospel and so little time actually paying attention to the validity of ideas that don't originate from your lord and savior.
clearly, this fjord-cooled data center is the product of a massive government/environmentalist conspiracy, to tout global warming awareness. earth gets too warm, and your data center will melt down...