Everyone knows that ISP's use Apache/Linux because it's easy to configure it to take up only the resources it needs, thus enabling them to pack more domains onto a server.
Everyone also knows that ISP's use Apache/Linux because it's free and allows them to offer domain hosting for $1/month.
I'm not trying to argue that IIS is better that Apache (except it was easier to configure than the non-gui Apache last time I tried it...about 2 years ago:) I'm just saying that numbers can be mis-interpreted.
What did you find hard about administering IIS?
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I'm just curious, because we use it at work to host about 10 or so sites and I've barely had to touch it after the initial install.
You didn't try to use the web interface did you? If IIS only had that thing to use, I would agree, but using the management console is easy.
You're right there's nothing wrong with any of those companies. I'm sorry for calling you an idiot, but I'd probably be calling myself an idiot if I spent a solid week trying to install Windows 2000.
Tyan has pretty good support. As a nerd, I have no qualms about calling support, because I don't profess to know everything.
My main beef with this thread is that everyone does this: Oh, I had a big problem <insert problem> with Windows one time, so I use Linux because it's teh 5h1t
Have they ever had problems with Linux? Yes, but they don't pay for it (except for in wasted time), so I guess they don't care. Are they going to mention this and risk losing precious karma points? No.
Woah, you run Mandrake and have no problems?? Hmm, your uncle and friends aren't the type of idiots who run exe's from porn sites are they? Because that might explain it.
Of course, nobody makes any mal-ware for Mandrake because nobody runs it. (that includes you)
However, you're not going to get the same productivity from X with a lightweight WM as you do with Windows.
I guess I'm wasting my time arguing about this, so here's the bottom line for me: In Windows, I can drag a file from Explorer into almost any application, and I have a reasonable expectation of that file being opened by that app. I can cut text from any app, and paste it into any other app with confidence.
There are no such guarantees with X, and this seriously effects productivity. I don't see what the problem is. Why can't somebody get their ass in gear and build something that really works well for *nix on the desktop? I guess that's OSX, but then you're tied to hardware. Arrg!
parent was telling the truth, not living in fantasy. Windows has a nice framework for cut-copy-paste, one that works. This is important for an OS to have.
Just admit it, X is slow compared to Windows on similar systems *every time*. It makes me think "Who the hell is developing these video drivers for X? Must be a guy in his basement, not the company who made the hardware."
In reality, closed source software doesn't make money if it doesn't deliver as expected, whereas open sores software is expected to be a little "rough around the edges" (that's what we call not delivering).
Closed source software allows the creator of the software to choose who they open the source to. Open sores software is more like a virus to your rights as a software creator, because you can never take back what the GPL gives away.
Closed source software actually makes money for people, while everbody (90%+) who develops open sores software is still crossing their fingers, hoping to make money doing what they love.
Closed source software is built by people who are serious about software development, who's very living depend on it. Open sores developers are usually doing it "for fun" or something. Do you really want to depend on that?
Umm, basically open sores sucks so don't waste your time with it (unless of course you need to steal some source code or ideas for your closed software project and then patent it;)
P.S. The founding fathers were not trying to build a socialistic society where things like "choice" are unheard of.
Granted, this would be a step in the right direction. However, ease of use requires "developers, developers, developers" and the right tools for developers.
Linux is coming along, but until there's something as easy to use as Visual Studio for Linux, I don't see it edging past Windows in the desktop arena.
Borland gave it a shot with Kylix, but we all saw what happened with that. Nobody wanted it because it wasn't free.
I'm sorry, I don't want to tell you how to live your life. I just get frustrated at the constant MS bashing that goes on here. However, if you really didn't eat for seven days because you didn't want to work at a place that used M$ products, that's just silly. I agree that MS is a big evil corporation, but that's no reason to starve.
Anyway, here's the thing about telecommuting/consulting. Some companies will fly you anywhere and give you whatever tools you want, if they think you're worth it. Depending on the company or the job, you may have to be flown in for training, but really, if you're telecommuting it's assumed that you already know what you're doing. Unless of course, you need to learn something about the particular problem you're being hired to work on.
Most companies don't hire full-time telecommuters, so if you want to telecommute, you'll be looking for contract work, which can be quite lucrative. Check out www.rentacoder.com, elance.com, and other freelance programming sites.
Unfortunately, my company is not hiring right now (sorry, I was being sarcastic which is how I get when I'm being argumentative). But, judging from your website you wouldn't want to work for us, since we make software for Call Centers (telemarketing). It's not *all* telemarketing, but that's where about half of our business comes from. Good luck finding a job though.
Lastly, allow me to share a funny (albeit WRONG) joke with you. Here it is.
I thought about it. Actually no, Linux on VMWare (v4 not 3) runs great, have you ever tried it? I give it 256MB of Ram out of a total of 512MB that I have on my P3/1Ghz Vaio. I also have Windows tweaked so it only uses the most basic services, I don't use Themes, and all the "menu" effects are off, so it runs very smoothly. Furthermore, desktop performance of *nix is usually worse on the same hardware because Microsoft gets the drivers developed for them by the manufacturer, whereas Open Sores users have to depend on some backwater geek or college student to develop a video driver for them.
Besides, I don't care about 3D acceleration because I'm not using it to run games or any graphics/desktop programs (that's what Windows is for). I mostly use it to test software and keep up with *nix/bsd technology in case M$ ever goes away.
You really think people are trying to force you to use Windows because they send you Word attachments? I thought that Star/Open Office could handle those now... It doesn't matter, none of this means you're being forced to use Windows, it just makes it a little harder to use Linux. Kind of like people who *decide* to drive Diesel cars/trucks. Think about that:)
Can you program in VB or VC++? I'll give you some work. Oh, that's right you don't want to work with Microsoft products. Well, then I suggest you start a company that develops Open Sores programs, I hear you can make a lot of money like that. Also, did you ever hear of a thing called telecommuting? How about consulting?
Believe me, I don't feel bad for anyone who *chooses* death over using Microsoft products, I encourage it.
Now I'm less effective as a worker because I can't use the tabbed browsing, because I get piles of popups and the like.
LOL. No, you're less effective because you think tabbed browsing actually makes you more effective and because you still haven't figured out how to get around popups (try the Google Toolbar or Popup Stopper).
And if I'm an expert in the domain in question, or even just a very knowledgeable person in that area, and I want to use a specific tool that will make me more productive and costs no more than the tool the boss wants, the boss is being a fool, an incompetent and a petty dictator to impose his notions of whats good on me.
Hence, you are the fool because you choose to work for him.
None. I install my own OS (Windows XP Pro) and then I install VMWare so I can run Linux.
When you buy software, what OS is it generally designed for these days?
Windows of course, but that still doesn't mean that I'm forced to use it. I know lots of people (my Mom) who (gasp!) *don't even use computers*! Wow, imagine that.
You didn't make a choice other than to accept what was forced upon you- just like all the other good little consumers.
Actually, I choose to use Windows because it's the best Desktop OS out there, I was not forced. You *nix zealots don't try to force people to use the OS that you like though, do you? (smell the rhetoric)
...the more M$ hosts that get cracked the better, there is nothin g like getting burned badly to make you want to switch platforms...
I submit that people who have their network setup properly will not get burned. Have you ever been burned badly because of an MS exploit? I've been running MS networks for 10 years and I've never been hit except for once when I got the NY Boot virus (when I was 17) because I left a floppy in when I booted. Then I learned how to protect myself and those I work for (and my family). Do you think Open Sores software would really be better if it was as widely used as MS products?
a) I get a Windoze PC at the office, no choice. I may not install any software on this PC, and the only browser on it is IE.
This does not prove anything. Is someone FORCING you to work at this office where they (oh my god) want to use software that works?
b)...but it is still *me* who can't meet deadlines because of his decision...
Umm, you're saying that because you have to use Windows you can't meet deadlines? OK, GOOD ONE:) Seriously LOL, you are one in a million because millions of people do meet deadlines using Microsoft products. You must be retarded.
c) Problems cause problems -- IE sux rox, so now the firewall gets tightened up to keep away all the bad things, so now the Internet becomes basically unusable for all employees. No one thinks of moving away from IE.
Oh, now I know that you are clueless. IE does not stop working unless you shut off ports 80 (http) or 443 (ssl/https).
Actually, it's more like you can go to the Hospital that is well funded and has all the amenities, or you can go to the Quack down the street. Oh wait, bad analogy. Penguins don't quack do they?
That still doesn't mean that people are forced to use Microsoft products. Come on you're going to equate "no water and no air" with "no Windows or Office 2003"? I think you've watched The Matrix one too many times.
E-Music was first in this arena, and if anybody should get credit for "inventing" the $0.99 music download, it's them. Are you sure that you're not just trying to keep the hype on iTunes going by publishing this??
I bet if I looked into the corporate conglomerate that Times belongs to I'd find some interesting reasons as to why.
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Everyone knows that ISP's use Apache/Linux because it's easy to configure it to take up only the resources it needs, thus enabling them to pack more domains onto a server.
Everyone also knows that ISP's use Apache/Linux because it's free and allows them to offer domain hosting for $1/month.
I'm not trying to argue that IIS is better that Apache (except it was easier to configure than the non-gui Apache last time I tried it...about 2 years ago :) I'm just saying that numbers can be mis-interpreted.
You didn't try to use the web interface did you? If IIS only had that thing to use, I would agree, but using the management console is easy.
You're right there's nothing wrong with any of those companies. I'm sorry for calling you an idiot, but I'd probably be calling myself an idiot if I spent a solid week trying to install Windows 2000.
Tyan has pretty good support. As a nerd, I have no qualms about calling support, because I don't profess to know everything.
My main beef with this thread is that everyone does this: Oh, I had a big problem <insert problem> with Windows one time, so I use Linux because it's teh 5h1t
Have they ever had problems with Linux? Yes, but they don't pay for it (except for in wasted time), so I guess they don't care. Are they going to mention this and risk losing precious karma points? No.
What's the brand/model/chipset of the motherboard?
Woah, you run Mandrake and have no problems?? Hmm, your uncle and friends aren't the type of idiots who run exe's from porn sites are they? Because that might explain it.
Of course, nobody makes any mal-ware for Mandrake because nobody runs it. (that includes you)
No really, you ARE an idiot.
I guess I'm wasting my time arguing about this, so here's the bottom line for me: In Windows, I can drag a file from Explorer into almost any application, and I have a reasonable expectation of that file being opened by that app. I can cut text from any app, and paste it into any other app with confidence.
There are no such guarantees with X, and this seriously effects productivity. I don't see what the problem is. Why can't somebody get their ass in gear and build something that really works well for *nix on the desktop? I guess that's OSX, but then you're tied to hardware. Arrg!
You must be much smarter than me, maybe you can tell me why I should develop open sores software? I'll pay you :)
Just admit it, X is slow compared to Windows on similar systems *every time*. It makes me think "Who the hell is developing these video drivers for X? Must be a guy in his basement, not the company who made the hardware."
Closed source software allows the creator of the software to choose who they open the source to. Open sores software is more like a virus to your rights as a software creator, because you can never take back what the GPL gives away.
Closed source software actually makes money for people, while everbody (90%+) who develops open sores software is still crossing their fingers, hoping to make money doing what they love.
Closed source software is built by people who are serious about software development, who's very living depend on it. Open sores developers are usually doing it "for fun" or something. Do you really want to depend on that?
Umm, basically open sores sucks so don't waste your time with it (unless of course you need to steal some source code or ideas for your closed software project and then patent it ;)
P.S. The founding fathers were not trying to build a socialistic society where things like "choice" are unheard of.
Linux is coming along, but until there's something as easy to use as Visual Studio for Linux, I don't see it edging past Windows in the desktop arena.
Borland gave it a shot with Kylix, but we all saw what happened with that. Nobody wanted it because it wasn't free.
Asshole.
Besides, Microsoft's Core OS team has more people working on their kernel than any single version of the Linux kernel has.
Actually, I've got to say that Mac zealots are the holiest, but now there's OSX for new and improved snobbery.
Anyway, here's the thing about telecommuting/consulting. Some companies will fly you anywhere and give you whatever tools you want, if they think you're worth it. Depending on the company or the job, you may have to be flown in for training, but really, if you're telecommuting it's assumed that you already know what you're doing. Unless of course, you need to learn something about the particular problem you're being hired to work on.
Most companies don't hire full-time telecommuters, so if you want to telecommute, you'll be looking for contract work, which can be quite lucrative. Check out www.rentacoder.com, elance.com, and other freelance programming sites.
Unfortunately, my company is not hiring right now (sorry, I was being sarcastic which is how I get when I'm being argumentative). But, judging from your website you wouldn't want to work for us, since we make software for Call Centers (telemarketing). It's not *all* telemarketing, but that's where about half of our business comes from. Good luck finding a job though.
Lastly, allow me to share a funny (albeit WRONG) joke with you. Here it is.
I thought about it. Actually no, Linux on VMWare (v4 not 3) runs great, have you ever tried it? I give it 256MB of Ram out of a total of 512MB that I have on my P3/1Ghz Vaio. I also have Windows tweaked so it only uses the most basic services, I don't use Themes, and all the "menu" effects are off, so it runs very smoothly. Furthermore, desktop performance of *nix is usually worse on the same hardware because Microsoft gets the drivers developed for them by the manufacturer, whereas Open Sores users have to depend on some backwater geek or college student to develop a video driver for them.
Besides, I don't care about 3D acceleration because I'm not using it to run games or any graphics/desktop programs (that's what Windows is for). I mostly use it to test software and keep up with *nix/bsd technology in case M$ ever goes away.
You really think people are trying to force you to use Windows because they send you Word attachments? I thought that Star/Open Office could handle those now... It doesn't matter, none of this means you're being forced to use Windows, it just makes it a little harder to use Linux. Kind of like people who *decide* to drive Diesel cars/trucks. Think about that :)
You seem to have time to play games.
Can you program in VB or VC++? I'll give you some work. Oh, that's right you don't want to work with Microsoft products. Well, then I suggest you start a company that develops Open Sores programs, I hear you can make a lot of money like that. Also, did you ever hear of a thing called telecommuting? How about consulting?
Believe me, I don't feel bad for anyone who *chooses* death over using Microsoft products, I encourage it.
LOL. No, you're less effective because you think tabbed browsing actually makes you more effective and because you still haven't figured out how to get around popups (try the Google Toolbar or Popup Stopper).
And if I'm an expert in the domain in question, or even just a very knowledgeable person in that area, and I want to use a specific tool that will make me more productive and costs no more than the tool the boss wants, the boss is being a fool, an incompetent and a petty dictator to impose his notions of whats good on me.Hence, you are the fool because you choose to work for him.
Case Closed.None. I install my own OS (Windows XP Pro) and then I install VMWare so I can run Linux.
When you buy software, what OS is it generally designed for these days?Windows of course, but that still doesn't mean that I'm forced to use it. I know lots of people (my Mom) who (gasp!) *don't even use computers*! Wow, imagine that.
You didn't make a choice other than to accept what was forced upon you- just like all the other good little consumers.Actually, I choose to use Windows because it's the best Desktop OS out there, I was not forced. You *nix zealots don't try to force people to use the OS that you like though, do you? (smell the rhetoric)
I submit that people who have their network setup properly will not get burned. Have you ever been burned badly because of an MS exploit? I've been running MS networks for 10 years and I've never been hit except for once when I got the NY Boot virus (when I was 17) because I left a floppy in when I booted. Then I learned how to protect myself and those I work for (and my family). Do you think Open Sores software would really be better if it was as widely used as MS products?
This does not prove anything. Is someone FORCING you to work at this office where they (oh my god) want to use software that works?
b)Umm, you're saying that because you have to use Windows you can't meet deadlines? OK, GOOD ONE :) Seriously LOL, you are one in a million because millions of people do meet deadlines using Microsoft products. You must be retarded.
c) Problems cause problems -- IE sux rox, so now the firewall gets tightened up to keep away all the bad things, so now the Internet becomes basically unusable for all employees. No one thinks of moving away from IE.Oh, now I know that you are clueless. IE does not stop working unless you shut off ports 80 (http) or 443 (ssl/https).
Nice try loser.That still doesn't mean that people are forced to use Microsoft products. Come on you're going to equate "no water and no air" with "no Windows or Office 2003"? I think you've watched The Matrix one too many times.
Hmm, Yoda thinks that you're too much of a pussy to quit your job.
I bet if I looked into the corporate conglomerate that Times belongs to I'd find some interesting reasons as to why.
and if you *really* cared, you wouldn't be wasting time arguing with me on slashdot :)