Linux advocates are just pissed off because their OS sucks by comparison. They have to do everything themselves, code everything themselves, they spend all day tweaking their systems with the newest "X Server" that they never get any work done.
I have this one computer in my office that I've tried a few distributions on, but none will install. They all crash during the installation.
Windows on the other hand installs just fine. So, while Windows *used to* crash a lot (in previous versions), Linux *still* has a hard time getting itself installed.
If all you can think of is "email/web/print/word processing" for things that people do at a computer, then I feel sorry for you.
Try building a program like Photoshop with only a command line. You'd have users typing commands like "SetPixelColor 100, 50, FFFFFF".
Windows is appealing because it's the GUI environment that has the best combination of speed and features, and has the most developer support, therefore it has more+better programs. Pretty simple reason if you ask me.
You don't get it, people don't want to learn anything new. People want to walk up to the thing, put a blank disc in and *click* burn.
If you are spending all of your time learning the computer's way of doing things, then you're spending less time making the computer do things the way that you want them done, and you're wasting everybody's time.
GUI's are the way to go because in the real world, you interact visually. That's why you have eyeballs and hands.
The fact is, is that people have been exposed to the knowledge that clicking on icons makes programs run.
Is there something wrong with that?
Clicking on icons is no easier and no harder then typing a single command to install all of your apps (I would actually argue that typing the command is easier), it just depends on what the user has been previously exposed to.
In fact in linux, I would feel uncomfortable clicking an icon on the desktop to install anything, just because I've become so accustomed to the command line.
Normal people that live most of their lives in the real world are accustomed to turning a knob or pushing a button to achieve a result. Therefore it follows that pushing a virtual button (an icon) on a screen will be more easily understood and accepted by a user. You don't walk up to a real door and type "open door" to open it, do you? Why should people be expected to learn the computer's commands, instead of making computers work more like people do?
Also, a DLL failure on the part of the installation package has nothing to do with clicking vs. typing to install an application. I've seen more command line installers that don't even give you a reason as to why they failed, but that's not the point.
Humans will always "get" clicking faster/easier than they will remembering some command that they have to use once in a blue moon.
Trust me, I know how to do this stuff in Windows...but when that prompt in front of you is a bash prompt you are absolutely clueless. Stick to what you know.
Gee, I can program the sh*t out of C/C++ but yeah, that bash prompt is soooo intimidating;)
Now, you wouldn't perhaps be lying by saying that all you have to do to get a Linux app installed is to type one command would you?? Because I've done plenty of Linux software installs and there is a little more to it than that. Editing numerous config files comes to mind...
Oooo, one game is written for linux...point taken!
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Hahahaha! I'm clueless? You think that because you can run Unreal Tournament that you've proved anything?? For every one game that is released for Linux, 1,000 games are available for Windows.
Installing Windows software consists of my clicking "Next" for a little while. Installing Linux software goes something like this (taken from the MythTV user guide):
The runtime manager for shared libraries,/lib/ld.so, gets information about the locations and contents of shared libraries from/etc/ld.so.cache, a file created by ldconfig from information in/etc/ld.so.conf. Because MythTV installs some shared libraries in/usr/local/lib, that directory needs to be added to the list of directories for ld.so to search when doing runtime linking of programs, if it is not already there. You do this, as root, by editing/etc/ld.so.conf, then running ldconfig. There are many ways to do this; one that works is to enter this series of commands:
$ su - # echo/usr/local/lib >>/etc/ld.so.conf #/sbin/ldconfig # exit $
Because what can you do with Linux?
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I just setup a media pc for my living room. I built the pc myself, installed WinXP, updated it, installed the ATI media software, updated it, now I've got my own Tivo.
This took me all of 5 hours and I used all packaged software...I didn't have to even look at a command line or know how to use the "make" command.
You just can't do this with Linux, unless you've spent a lot of time figuring it out already.
I'm sorry but a house full of kids with all Linux *is* bizarro world because it's not normal. All of their friends use Windows, all the good games come out for Windows, and all the good professionally written, professionally packaged, and easily installed software is written for Windows.
Could you spew some more nonsense?
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I find MS Windows more difficult to fix than Linux.
We'll when you basically have to "fix" everything in Linux to get it to work right in the first place, you get a lot of practice at it.
...on MS Windows there's nothing to try except "install it again".
And that is still easier than what you have to do on Linux, where you have to hunt down all of the support libraries before you can make your program.
Installing a driver for that new wireless card? On MS Windows: click here, click there, click everywhere, futz with wizards for five minutes, maybe it works. On Linux: cp, insmod, ifconfig, working.
Having a GUI configuration app and spending 5 minutes with it takes a lot shorter than the time it took you to figure out what commands to run in the first place...or did you just "know" to type those commands? Good one.
Your last comment so obviously lacks merit that I will not even attempt a reply, except to say that you are a blithering idiot. Have a nice day.
I was researching a new notebook for myself recently and in comparing Sony to Dell, I found that Sony offers more for your money, plus they are more readily available (ie. you can buy them from any store like Circuit City or Best Buy instead of having it shipped)...plus, they offer a 1 year Overseas Service warranty for only $49.00 USD.
You might be concerned about that last one if you're buying in the States and bringing it back to the UK. In my experience, even if you buy from a store, you can always call the manufacturer and buy the extra warranty. Here's a link to a nice P4/2.8GHz/512MBDDR/15"XGA/etc. for $1249.00 (compare that to what you get from a Dell): http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&cato id=-8026&qp=0&oid=87650
I've also had very good luck with my Vaio, so maybe I'm biased:) Anywho, hope that helps.
If Linus were a great programmer, he'd have come up with his own operating system rather than copying Minix and Unix tech. from the 60's.
And yes, Microsoft products are really good because they make money from them, because it allows them pay their developers well (and keep the good ones). It's a direct effect.
I don't think they exist.
Maybe you should switch to a better model to get great developers. Here's a hint: Great developers usually like to make money, hence none in Open Source.
With a name like "The GIMP", how can you take this product seriously if you're a professional?
This is one thing that has always annoyed me about certain Open Source packages. GNU - Oh, that's so clever I forgot to laugh!
Do you think that Adobe would have sold Photoshop if they had named it "The WIMP" (Windows Image Manipulation Program) or "The APP" (Adobe Photo Program).
I mean, "Photo IMP" or almost anything else would have been better.
You seem to be getting a little defensive, have you had your coffee today?
The only comment that could be taken as a slight disagreement is that you think Apache is easier to configure that I do, but I even said I haven't tried it in 2 years.
I manage IIS remotely and have all virtual domains
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Using VNC (good) or PC Anywhere (better) this is easy.
If I'm on the network or on the vpn, but not at the server, my local management console can be used to do it.
Can anyone tell me what they think is hard about setting up a virtual domain in IIS? Here are the steps: Right-click on the server in MMC, click "New Site", type name of site, under "Host Headers" type the name of the domain that this site is for and choose an IP that is used by other virtual servers. Choose a home directory...done.
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Just because you can't think of any useful graphical tools doesn't mean that there aren't any.
I think that the many people who use Photoshop, Quark, Excel, Visio, etc. would agree with me.
I have this one computer in my office that I've tried a few distributions on, but none will install. They all crash during the installation.
Windows on the other hand installs just fine. So, while Windows *used to* crash a lot (in previous versions), Linux *still* has a hard time getting itself installed.
Try building a program like Photoshop with only a command line. You'd have users typing commands like "SetPixelColor 100, 50, FFFFFF".
Windows is appealing because it's the GUI environment that has the best combination of speed and features, and has the most developer support, therefore it has more+better programs. Pretty simple reason if you ask me.
You don't get it, people don't want to learn anything new. People want to walk up to the thing, put a blank disc in and *click* burn.
If you are spending all of your time learning the computer's way of doing things, then you're spending less time making the computer do things the way that you want them done, and you're wasting everybody's time.
GUI's are the way to go because in the real world, you interact visually. That's why you have eyeballs and hands.
Is there something wrong with that?
Clicking on icons is no easier and no harder then typing a single command to install all of your apps (I would actually argue that typing the command is easier), it just depends on what the user has been previously exposed to.In fact in linux, I would feel uncomfortable clicking an icon on the desktop to install anything, just because I've become so accustomed to the command line.
Normal people that live most of their lives in the real world are accustomed to turning a knob or pushing a button to achieve a result. Therefore it follows that pushing a virtual button (an icon) on a screen will be more easily understood and accepted by a user. You don't walk up to a real door and type "open door" to open it, do you? Why should people be expected to learn the computer's commands, instead of making computers work more like people do?
Also, a DLL failure on the part of the installation package has nothing to do with clicking vs. typing to install an application. I've seen more command line installers that don't even give you a reason as to why they failed, but that's not the point.
Humans will always "get" clicking faster/easier than they will remembering some command that they have to use once in a blue moon.
Lookout, the family's gonna have fun tonight!
Trust me, I know how to do this stuff in Windows...but when that prompt in front of you is a bash prompt you are absolutely clueless. Stick to what you know.Gee, I can program the sh*t out of C/C++ but yeah, that bash prompt is soooo intimidating ;)
Now, you wouldn't perhaps be lying by saying that all you have to do to get a Linux app installed is to type one command would you?? Because I've done plenty of Linux software installs and there is a little more to it than that. Editing numerous config files comes to mind...
Installing Windows software consists of my clicking "Next" for a little while. Installing Linux software goes something like this (taken from the MythTV user guide):
This took me all of 5 hours and I used all packaged software...I didn't have to even look at a command line or know how to use the "make" command.
You just can't do this with Linux, unless you've spent a lot of time figuring it out already.
I'm sorry but a house full of kids with all Linux *is* bizarro world because it's not normal. All of their friends use Windows, all the good games come out for Windows, and all the good professionally written, professionally packaged, and easily installed software is written for Windows.The real difference is that it's easier to secure files in Windows than having to understand how the hell to use chmod and what '777' means.
And, that's all you would need for any of these problems, none of that Norton crap is worth a dime.
The article is a Troll.
We'll when you basically have to "fix" everything in Linux to get it to work right in the first place, you get a lot of practice at it.
And that is still easier than what you have to do on Linux, where you have to hunt down all of the support libraries before you can make your program.
Installing a driver for that new wireless card? On MS Windows: click here, click there, click everywhere, futz with wizards for five minutes, maybe it works. On Linux: cp, insmod, ifconfig, working.Having a GUI configuration app and spending 5 minutes with it takes a lot shorter than the time it took you to figure out what commands to run in the first place...or did you just "know" to type those commands? Good one.
Your last comment so obviously lacks merit that I will not even attempt a reply, except to say that you are a blithering idiot. Have a nice day.
Either that or you're lying.
I was researching a new notebook for myself recently and in comparing Sony to Dell, I found that Sony offers more for your money, plus they are more readily available (ie. you can buy them from any store like Circuit City or Best Buy instead of having it shipped)...plus, they offer a 1 year Overseas Service warranty for only $49.00 USD.
You might be concerned about that last one if you're buying in the States and bringing it back to the UK. In my experience, even if you buy from a store, you can always call the manufacturer and buy the extra warranty. Here's a link to a nice P4/2.8GHz/512MBDDR/15"XGA/etc. for $1249.00 (compare that to what you get from a Dell): http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&cato id=-8026&qp=0&oid=87650
I've also had very good luck with my Vaio, so maybe I'm biased :) Anywho, hope that helps.
And yes, Microsoft products are really good because they make money from them, because it allows them pay their developers well (and keep the good ones). It's a direct effect.
I don't think they exist. Maybe you should switch to a better model to get great developers. Here's a hint: Great developers usually like to make money, hence none in Open Source.
This is one thing that has always annoyed me about certain Open Source packages. GNU - Oh, that's so clever I forgot to laugh!
Do you think that Adobe would have sold Photoshop if they had named it "The WIMP" (Windows Image Manipulation Program) or "The APP" (Adobe Photo Program).
I mean, "Photo IMP" or almost anything else would have been better.
Oh, go ahead mark me down! If I said Microsoft this would have been "Funny".
The real reasons are that
In the future, when I pass my "web master" hat onto someone else, I'm sure we'll be employing droves of Apache*/nix servers.
I had a sneaking suspicion...
B.) I'm not arguing, I was making a non-partisan point that had nothing to do with IIS/Apache war.
C.) Have YOU had your coffee today?
You seem to be getting a little defensive, have you had your coffee today?
The only comment that could be taken as a slight disagreement is that you think Apache is easier to configure that I do, but I even said I haven't tried it in 2 years.
If I'm on the network or on the vpn, but not at the server, my local management console can be used to do it.
Can anyone tell me what they think is hard about setting up a virtual domain in IIS? Here are the steps: Right-click on the server in MMC, click "New Site", type name of site, under "Host Headers" type the name of the domain that this site is for and choose an IP that is used by other virtual servers. Choose a home directory...done.
Apache is trying to be a mail server among other things too.