Well, I didn't post Anon first. Second, you replied with such gusto to the original post: Funny how my comment was Flamebait and people ripping on Media Player is +5 Funny. Heh. that I had take you down point by point. What he said is true, don't deny that this board is just a little one-sided.
Yes, I said the word FAG. I guess I'm a racist homo-phobe now. Here's a hint: You can laugh at something without being afraid of it. AND this might be news to you, most gay computer users prefer the Mac. Must be the rainbow colors. If you don't find humor in that, you've definitely got something up your ass.
If you're such a Windows freak, why are you reading and posting to a Slashdot story in the Apple section.
I like to annoy the people who blindly disregard anything M$ puts out. That's most of the Mac community.
Take your juvenile, homophobic, and, I'm going to assume, racist attitudes elsewhere.
You can't make me:)
I can't wait for the first Landmark theater to report a BSOD during the previews.
I think I'd better make this my sig: When's the last time you saw a BSOD? Besides, I'm not arguing the quality of this M$ product, I know it'll be good. I'm telling you that you're an idiot for getting all worked up over somebody saying "Gee, Slashdot seems one-sided against Microsoft." A post which otherwise would have gone un-noticed but for the few fanatical Mac fags (oops, I meant fans) who can't stand someone with a different opinion.
Your post makes no sense. Windows is ALWAYS running a GUI, whether or not a user is currently logged on to the local console or not.
No, it's not ALWAYS running. Besides, nobody said that the GUI itself was optional. The original poster said "MP3 Player, Screen Savers, and Desktop Sounds" weren't optional. They are.
Somebody else said Windows is useless without the gui. It's not even running when nobody's logged in (except, yes, the login. oh boy). I'm not arguing that Linux isn't more configurable. It IS. I'm arguing that Windows isn't useless without the GUI. That's all. Get a grip.
This is the last little bit of thought I'm going to give this.
...OTHER PEOPLE say things like "Standards mean squat."
I'm not so sure about that. You can think that if you want, but we'll agree to disagree on that one.
About two-thirds of your last 24 posts (when I looked at them earlier today) were insulting
No, about two thirds of my posts were belittling people who put stupidity into this conversation. I *LOVE* Linux. I also have a lot of love for Microsoft too though, maybe not their company practices, but I think their products deserve some respect and c'mon YOU KNOW that people put bullshit here just to be karma whores. Don't deny it. Besides its more fun to point out other people's mistakes than to fix my own:)
Based on what I know, I think that this particular conclusion.
That's fine, I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion. It's just important that you don't go pointing to some article like is supposed to invalidate somebody elses opinion. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't make them a Troll. See what I mean?
No. But it was the obvious implication of your statements, and it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.
No, the point was that it's an opinion not a court decision that matters here. We're going around in circles I think.
...Maybe I'm misunderstanding, so please clarify.
I'm misunderstanding what you're misunderstanding. You said: It's bad if people's opinion's don't change. I said: you're right, and it seems that the Slashdot community's opinion doesn't change for anything, hence the Unconditional Microsoft Hatred. That's all. I was agreeing.
No, it was the way that he was expressing his thoughts that made him sound like a troll...It wasn't simply a difference of opinion. It was a difference of opinion coupled with a negative reaction to his hostility.
Ok, I just read the first post over again. There is nothing trollish about it. First paragraph summary: Slashdot people always rank on M$ (fact), thinks M$ isn't a monopoly (opinion). Second: He thinks the Open Source version of this technology (if there is one) would probably suck (opinion). He doesn't like Linux (opinion). Third: Opinions about movie-goer's point of view. Fourth: Opinions about why Microsoft is doing this.
I don't see him putting anybody down, making misleading statements, etc. Please point out the exact trollish statement that he made. I'm done with this conversation, have a nice day.
Umm, I'm not arguing that Linux isn't infinitely more configurable than Windows. I AM arguing that the statement "Windows is useless without the GUI" is a slight overstatement. Yes, maybe it won't run if it's not installed. Yes, the Login screen is graphical (ooo, we have a whole 5mb taken up by it, get a grip).
When nobody's logged in a lot of GUI related services aren't running. But SERVICES (like a daemon on *nix) are running and they are extremely useful.
So the point is that there are options, just none that you want to use for *whatever* reason. I really don't care what your reasons are, don't say there aren't options.
I have installed linux many a time. You obviously know nothing about Windows though. The window manager isn't even running when nobody's logged into a Windows server, except there's this little thing called the Service Control Manager that can start these things called Services. Things like SQL Server or IIS, which many people find useful everyday. So nyaah.
I'm sorry, I meant that/what they use/ (to back up their opinions) changes daily. One day they will say, "Standards are Good!" and the next day it will be "Standards mean Squat! Blah, Blah, Blah". I think we've seen this recently.
I'd guess something like 60+% of the people here who are so stuck in their own hatred of Microsoft that they blindly disregard anything of value. The general opinions of Slashdot haven't changed for a long time. You can almost feel it.
Your own posting history indicates this rather well.
Umm, I have one Troll and one Informative in my last 24 posts, you apparently have had nothing to contribute to the Entertainment or Information areas of this conversation in your past 24 posts. How do you figure?
At this point, I'd like to go back and do a little history. Dirtside said:
how it's a monopoly (which, it isn't)
And you said:
Microsoft is a convicted monopolist [go.com]...
pointing at the article like it was the official truth of the matter or something. The point is that court's can come to illogical conclusions and we can see this everyday, and most people will agree. Think about all the frivolous lawsuits that come from the Music Industry.
...I agree with it because it's valid on its own merits. Your implied logic is that if I disagree with one element of some set, I must disagree with all of them.
I didn't say you have to disagree with all of them. The implication is that it doesn't really matter what the court says if the public has a different opinion, especiall here on Slashdot. That's all. I think that just because someone had a different opinion than you, you thought that person was a Troll. He wasn't, it was simply a difference of opinion. That makes you the Troll. Sorry.
Really not much else to say. I've heard similar tails of woe in the Music industry.
My boss who runs our software company is also in a band that had gotten some good airplay for a while but now can't "afford to" anymore. It really sucks that Radio stations and Theatres can't have a simpler model, but they only want to play what the Big Boys want, and NOBODY else can.
Really, I think it's like that in ANY business. What your biggest customer/supplier says goes. It just kills me though that art and entertainment have to be ruined by these big companies. However, I think like you said that the Internet gives us all a better chance than *none* which is pretty much what we have without it.
I and several other people I know have tried to get various theater businesses going, including cinema cafes back in the mid-80s. It's nearly impossible to obtain the rights to do this.
Just curious. What kind of rights do you need to obtain? What if you only want to show Indie films and not the junk-food kind?
The reason I ask is because as I was reading this article an idea formed in my head to do something similar in my town.
Umm, so you're basically admitting that Linux isn't an option? Probably because you know that once she tried it, she wouldn't WANT to use it. Either that or you don't have the brain-power to install it.
Let's see how we came to this conclusion.
I'm going to be putting together a computer for my sister soon.
Ok, so you're putting one together, not buying one from Dell or Circuit City, NO PRE-INSTALLED OS. You can buy whatever OS you want to at this point.
I'd also give you a guess about her word processor, but it isn't worth it.
This statement makes no sense, proving that you lack brain-power.
Microsoft unmistakably dominates entry-level comptuters.
Your favorite OS is FREE you ass. So, your analogy doesn't quite work. The only reason Sucknix DOESN'T dominate is because it SUCKS as a desktop environment.
And I'm so sure that you've blindly agreed with *EVERY* other judicial decision handed down over the years. OJ SIMPSON was judged as innocent, do you agree with that one or do you have your own personal opinion about it?
The thing about/.er's is that they only use what works for their opinion at the time, and it can change daily.
Ahem. Let me reply with just about the same amount of fact to opinion ratio.
A: You're a mac fag. B: Who cares what Quicktime is the basis for, it can't do full-screen (on the PC) AND it's got an annoying interface that doesn't follow Windows standards. C: Open Source stuff that doesn't SUCK is a rarity, so who cares. D: Real Player is garbage. E: Windows Media is free, has more features AND runs better on cheap x86 than Quickslime. F: Does not. G: We're talking about theatres not home use, so DRM doesn't matter. H: You *really* must be a mac fag luser to prefer Quicktime over WM!
(Disclaimer: Nobody in the gay community was harmed in the making of this post.)
These C# "standards" have nothing to do with allowing other vendors or supported platforms. There will not be other vendors or supported platforms for C# other than Microsoft Windows.
MICROSOFT may not support them but OTHER COMPANIES WILL. There is nothing that stops another company (XIMIAN) from supporting the C# LANGUAGE. I am not talking about MICROSOFT'S SUPPORT. When something is STANDARDIZED, it makes it easier for other companies to support it.
Microsoft will never allow it to play in the true.Net space, "standards" or not.
.NET is a STANDARD, it's not a PRODUCT, therefore Microsoft has no control over the "true.Net space" (whatever that means). Besides, the article is about how C# was standardized, not.NET there is a difference. You can use C# without using.NET and OTHER COMPANIES will support it.
I have such a literal mind, really. I guess that your use of "rhetorical flair" in the first post made me think that you really felt trapped somehow by VB. I see what you mean though, regarding C shops not hiring you *and* that there's no challenge to using VB.
However, I'd venture to say that there are C shops out there who will still hire you (if you want to work in a *nix shop that may be different, it sounds like you've been doing that nasty Windows stuff;) You can always do like I did to get my first dev gigs: Lie.
Maybe Joel will hire you:) Here's a link to his site with an extremely insightful article on this subject.
You're right though, the nerds on high think that I'm a doofus because I like using VB, but the reason I like it is because I can get things done quickly when people need them.
In fact, I know that you're right about the growth of Java from the browser to server-land, I've seen it.
However, one can't dismiss that Microsoft's NT has been making huge strides into the server market as well. This article provided a keen insight into a possible evolutionary path of the current situation. It has good news for Linux but it also predicts Windows holding 51% of the server market (other stories when googling ("data center" server "operating system" research windows linux unix solaris)). It's really anybody's guess at this point.
Regardless, I think that a lot of people are mis-informed about the porting of C# over to other platforms. The Mono compiler can compile any code in the C# syntax, but the *Standard Libraries* are where the battle is. Who knows, maybe Microsoft will come out with a set of libs that run on *nix and then charge for use of them.
Personally, I am a developer of desktop products mainly, so I don't really have a good view of whats happening in the server market. You've got to root for the home team though;)
Thanks for a thoughtful reply, sorry if my post seemed trollish (it was:)
From the perspective of a former Unix/C programmer who's been forced to code in VB for about 5 years now, I only know that my will is broken and I am a zombie in Gate's legions.
Oh, you put on a good show my man! Let us all take a moment to pity this poor soul who has been held against his will and made to program in an environment that he doesn't like. Boo-hoo. (I thought you said this was America??)
BTW, the only way that VB sucks is when your company won't buy 3rd party ActiveX controls for you and you have to program them yourself. (If you're smart, you'll do it in C++/ATL anyway) Otherwise, there's not much left to do but tie the pieces together, that's the beauty of VB you dolt! Who cares if it has slightly malformed syntax, everything is freakin drag-n-drop!
Actually C# can compile and run on Windows, Linux and BSD, so I don't know where you get 0 from. (see Mono and dotGNU)
Furthermore, Java has been around for a while longer than C# so more support would be natural. That will change soon though as C# is widely regarded as a much better language.
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that's just about what you've done. you know what I meant.
Yes, I said the word FAG. I guess I'm a racist homo-phobe now. Here's a hint: You can laugh at something without being afraid of it. AND this might be news to you, most gay computer users prefer the Mac. Must be the rainbow colors. If you don't find humor in that, you've definitely got something up your ass.
If you're such a Windows freak, why are you reading and posting to a Slashdot story in the Apple section.I like to annoy the people who blindly disregard anything M$ puts out. That's most of the Mac community.
Take your juvenile, homophobic, and, I'm going to assume, racist attitudes elsewhere.You can't make me :)
I can't wait for the first Landmark theater to report a BSOD during the previews.I think I'd better make this my sig: When's the last time you saw a BSOD? Besides, I'm not arguing the quality of this M$ product, I know it'll be good. I'm telling you that you're an idiot for getting all worked up over somebody saying "Gee, Slashdot seems one-sided against Microsoft." A post which otherwise would have gone un-noticed but for the few fanatical Mac fags (oops, I meant fans) who can't stand someone with a different opinion.
No, it's not ALWAYS running. Besides, nobody said that the GUI itself was optional. The original poster said "MP3 Player, Screen Savers, and Desktop Sounds" weren't optional. They are.
Somebody else said Windows is useless without the gui. It's not even running when nobody's logged in (except, yes, the login. oh boy). I'm not arguing that Linux isn't more configurable. It IS. I'm arguing that Windows isn't useless without the GUI. That's all. Get a grip.
Here. I am not going to argue this, I know Linux can run without an X server. Big deal. Not my point.
I'm not so sure about that. You can think that if you want, but we'll agree to disagree on that one.
About two-thirds of your last 24 posts (when I looked at them earlier today) were insultingNo, about two thirds of my posts were belittling people who put stupidity into this conversation. I *LOVE* Linux. I also have a lot of love for Microsoft too though, maybe not their company practices, but I think their products deserve some respect and c'mon YOU KNOW that people put bullshit here just to be karma whores. Don't deny it. Besides its more fun to point out other people's mistakes than to fix my own :)
Based on what I know, I think that this particular conclusion.That's fine, I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion. It's just important that you don't go pointing to some article like is supposed to invalidate somebody elses opinion. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't make them a Troll. See what I mean?
No. But it was the obvious implication of your statements, and it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.No, the point was that it's an opinion not a court decision that matters here. We're going around in circles I think.
I'm misunderstanding what you're misunderstanding. You said: It's bad if people's opinion's don't change. I said: you're right, and it seems that the Slashdot community's opinion doesn't change for anything, hence the Unconditional Microsoft Hatred. That's all. I was agreeing.
No, it was the way that he was expressing his thoughts that made him sound like a troll...It wasn't simply a difference of opinion. It was a difference of opinion coupled with a negative reaction to his hostility.Ok, I just read the first post over again. There is nothing trollish about it. First paragraph summary: Slashdot people always rank on M$ (fact), thinks M$ isn't a monopoly (opinion). Second: He thinks the Open Source version of this technology (if there is one) would probably suck (opinion). He doesn't like Linux (opinion). Third: Opinions about movie-goer's point of view. Fourth: Opinions about why Microsoft is doing this.
I don't see him putting anybody down, making misleading statements, etc. Please point out the exact trollish statement that he made. I'm done with this conversation, have a nice day.
When nobody's logged in a lot of GUI related services aren't running. But SERVICES (like a daemon on *nix) are running and they are extremely useful.
So the point is that there are options, just none that you want to use for *whatever* reason. I really don't care what your reasons are, don't say there aren't options.
Sure, we all believe you, your a college student and you go out and buy music. good one.
I hate when people lie.
and it shouldn't be running for a server installation then should it? And it's not when nobody's logged in.
I have installed linux many a time. You obviously know nothing about Windows though. The window manager isn't even running when nobody's logged into a Windows server, except there's this little thing called the Service Control Manager that can start these things called Services. Things like SQL Server or IIS, which many people find useful everyday. So nyaah.
I'm sorry, I meant that /what they use/ (to back up their opinions) changes daily. One day they will say, "Standards are Good!" and the next day it will be "Standards mean Squat! Blah, Blah, Blah". I think we've seen this recently.
I'd guess something like 60+% of the people here who are so stuck in their own hatred of Microsoft that they blindly disregard anything of value. The general opinions of Slashdot haven't changed for a long time. You can almost feel it.
Your own posting history indicates this rather well.Umm, I have one Troll and one Informative in my last 24 posts, you apparently have had nothing to contribute to the Entertainment or Information areas of this conversation in your past 24 posts. How do you figure?
At this point, I'd like to go back and do a little history. Dirtside said:
how it's a monopoly (which, it isn't)And you said:
Microsoft is a convicted monopolist [go.com]...pointing at the article like it was the official truth of the matter or something. The point is that court's can come to illogical conclusions and we can see this everyday, and most people will agree. Think about all the frivolous lawsuits that come from the Music Industry.
I didn't say you have to disagree with all of them. The implication is that it doesn't really matter what the court says if the public has a different opinion, especiall here on Slashdot. That's all. I think that just because someone had a different opinion than you, you thought that person was a Troll. He wasn't, it was simply a difference of opinion. That makes you the Troll. Sorry.
My boss who runs our software company is also in a band that had gotten some good airplay for a while but now can't "afford to" anymore. It really sucks that Radio stations and Theatres can't have a simpler model, but they only want to play what the Big Boys want, and NOBODY else can.
Really, I think it's like that in ANY business. What your biggest customer/supplier says goes. It just kills me though that art and entertainment have to be ruined by these big companies. However, I think like you said that the Internet gives us all a better chance than *none* which is pretty much what we have without it.
You don't have to install anything that you don't need including sound drivers, screen savers and desktop themes.
Just curious. What kind of rights do you need to obtain? What if you only want to show Indie films and not the junk-food kind?
The reason I ask is because as I was reading this article an idea formed in my head to do something similar in my town.
Thanks.
Let's see how we came to this conclusion.
I'm going to be putting together a computer for my sister soon.Ok, so you're putting one together, not buying one from Dell or Circuit City, NO PRE-INSTALLED OS. You can buy whatever OS you want to at this point.
I'd also give you a guess about her word processor, but it isn't worth it.This statement makes no sense, proving that you lack brain-power.
Your favorite OS is FREE you ass. So, your analogy doesn't quite work. The only reason Sucknix DOESN'T dominate is because it SUCKS as a desktop environment.
The thing about /.er's is that they only use what works for their opinion at the time, and it can change daily.
So tell me, who's the troll?
A: You're a mac fag. B: Who cares what Quicktime is the basis for, it can't do full-screen (on the PC) AND it's got an annoying interface that doesn't follow Windows standards. C: Open Source stuff that doesn't SUCK is a rarity, so who cares. D: Real Player is garbage. E: Windows Media is free, has more features AND runs better on cheap x86 than Quickslime. F: Does not. G: We're talking about theatres not home use, so DRM doesn't matter. H: You *really* must be a mac fag luser to prefer Quicktime over WM!
(Disclaimer: Nobody in the gay community was harmed in the making of this post.)
MICROSOFT may not support them but OTHER COMPANIES WILL. There is nothing that stops another company (XIMIAN) from supporting the C# LANGUAGE. I am not talking about MICROSOFT'S SUPPORT. When something is STANDARDIZED, it makes it easier for other companies to support it.
Microsoft will never allow it to play in the true.NET is a STANDARD, it's not a PRODUCT, therefore Microsoft has no control over the "true .Net space" (whatever that means). Besides, the article is about how C# was standardized, not .NET there is a difference. You can use C# without using .NET and OTHER COMPANIES will support it.
However, I'd venture to say that there are C shops out there who will still hire you (if you want to work in a *nix shop that may be different, it sounds like you've been doing that nasty Windows stuff ;) You can always do like I did to get my first dev gigs: Lie.
Maybe Joel will hire you :) Here's a link to his site with an extremely insightful article on this subject.
You're right though, the nerds on high think that I'm a doofus because I like using VB, but the reason I like it is because I can get things done quickly when people need them.
However, one can't dismiss that Microsoft's NT has been making huge strides into the server market as well. This article provided a keen insight into a possible evolutionary path of the current situation. It has good news for Linux but it also predicts Windows holding 51% of the server market (other stories when googling ("data center" server "operating system" research windows linux unix solaris)). It's really anybody's guess at this point.
Regardless, I think that a lot of people are mis-informed about the porting of C# over to other platforms. The Mono compiler can compile any code in the C# syntax, but the *Standard Libraries* are where the battle is. Who knows, maybe Microsoft will come out with a set of libs that run on *nix and then charge for use of them.
Personally, I am a developer of desktop products mainly, so I don't really have a good view of whats happening in the server market. You've got to root for the home team though ;)
Thanks for a thoughtful reply, sorry if my post seemed trollish (it was :)
No, it's supported by Ximian, just as Sun does not support IBM's Java stuff.
The rest of what you said is your opinion, your speculation.
Oh, you put on a good show my man! Let us all take a moment to pity this poor soul who has been held against his will and made to program in an environment that he doesn't like. Boo-hoo. (I thought you said this was America??)
BTW, the only way that VB sucks is when your company won't buy 3rd party ActiveX controls for you and you have to program them yourself. (If you're smart, you'll do it in C++/ATL anyway) Otherwise, there's not much left to do but tie the pieces together, that's the beauty of VB you dolt! Who cares if it has slightly malformed syntax, everything is freakin drag-n-drop!
Not too many people I'd guess. At least, not enough people for it to matter.
Furthermore, Java has been around for a while longer than C# so more support would be natural. That will change soon though as C# is widely regarded as a much better language.