I was about to flame, but then I realised that acutally, I didn't know this for sure... recovering from the shock, I was hit by a double-whammy when I realised that it followed that I shouldn't post the flame. Is this a first for Slashdot?
Seriously, how feasible would it be to make a serious network switch (say, 24xGE ports) on some sort of Linux machine? Isn't this just a complete category error - the hardware in Ciscos is just too specialised to be emulated by any sort of general purpose OS? I've heard of Zebra - it does BGP, which makes it a router level protocol - yes? Someone clue me in, please.
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You made
a thread
on nanog (thread index here.)
Speculation there (and here) was that you'd either been a victim of an unusually Cisco-literate cracker who'd taken the entire netblock off the air, or you'd had finger trouble with some of the more fiendish BSD config files;)
I hope you'll do the usual public post-mortem; looking forward to that.
traceroutes from the UK were dying somewhere well in side Exodus 64/8 space - well after the point that the hosts stopped having lookup-able names.
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What? You think I want to get
cancer -- let alone fall behind the constant stream of exciting news and events from the world of science and technology??
I'm sorry, but I'm smarter than that!;-)
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Oh, sure, I just object to listening to PMs who wouldn't no recursion if it bit them on the arse talking down the phone databases that will "ping an email to the client" (true story!!) Let the PHBs hav their little empires, but include me out. --
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Re:People don't normally know their history
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Dial U for Union
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>Of course, the norwegian law sucks in the way that in some professions you
>are automatically a union-member, and the union provides funds for the
>election-campaign of the Labour-party in Norway. This means that
>some people are forced to support the Labour-party with their union-fees.
Yeah, that sucks alright, but isn't it contrary to EU law? Oh, wait a second - Norway voted 'no', didn't they...
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>it sucks the way some IT workers are expected >to give up their lives for some company.
It sucks the way that *most* people in *most* jobs or professions, especially corporate drones, are expected to subsume their entire existence into The Company... unlike most others, tech workers have much greater opportunities to say "stuff that for a game of soldiers" and up and and leave for somewhere employees are treated as human beings... many other people don;t seem to have that choice (except those blue-collar workers who are expected to work strictly the hours they're paid for, with no real expectation of loyalty on either side - both know that the other is only there for them until a better job | the next recession comes along. The middle classes, despite what Scott Adams hoped, seems not to have learnt that lesson. --
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What a union could really achieve...
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I completely agree. We, the computer literate - geeks, nerds, hackers, whatever you want to call yourself - I'd say the/merely competent/ for modern living -- should rise up, overthrow the clueless PHBs, the cookbook programmers in it for the money, the middle managers who choose our tools based on marketing hype and FUD, and (presumably) institute the First Republic of Hackers (something like the Republic of Perl?)
I've been hearing whispers that my employer is looking at a wholesale switchover to Java from mod_perl, entirely for marketing-driven reasons. Our intranet runs on ASPs and of course is a pile of shit - yet is touted as a "leading edge project management tool" in our PR guff. It goes on, and on, and on... putting massive investment into mobile data and WAP when any idiot could have seen months ago that it was dead in the water... drenching everything in Flash, unreadble arty fonts, blandest-of-the-bland 'Design'... and all the other signifiers of
lameness.
It makes me sick - not just that it happens here, in what is supposed to be a nimble, aggressive young startup, but that it's seen as the norm, as something every company must aspire towards. Sadly, it seems that they're right to believe that our potential customers (blue-chip corporates) won't take us seriously without a sufficiently stinky pile of marketing bullshit in the pitch.
The hell with it, I say. I'm sick of explaining to these people why security is a Good Thing, or why it's Bad to have webpages that only work in IE 5 and above. Think I'm going to go work for myself in a bit, but (to get back on topic) a union of tech workers should stand up for those values. (Those SORT OF values, that is, rather than the things which just flew off the top of my head just then!) That's the sort of union I'd join, not one that threatens a nationwide PHP-monkey strike if their demands for at least two free soft drinks a day are not met... ("It'll hoit, buster, it'll hoit!" -HHGttG)
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Yeah... unless they "forgot" to credit BSD in the stack - or the "MS IP stack is from BSD" is an urban myth (unlikely)... running grep -ir in the next dir up doesn't show up anything else containing the string "regents". --
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...ah, but how long would they need to study systems admin before they got to that bit? (We're small enough that we pretty much admin our own workstations.)
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Actually, a solar-sail is planned to power the first inter-stellar probe... by NASA. This thing, should they actually build & launch it, would be sooo cool it beggars belief.../me hunts for URL:
I never understood those things... why on earth would I want a portable mp3 player when I'm sitting in front a computer for > 12 hours a day? --
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"
...and obviously, if you have the source and the skillz, you can modify & recompile Free OSes to work around any similar limitations - which isn't an option with NT. Don't get me wrong, I'm wearing a Copyleft T shirt as I write this (the one with the GPL on the back)... but (this is getting dangerously tangential) I think Freedom is more important than Openness (as in: OSS vs Free software) precisely becuase the "better engineering" argument ESR et al make is, well, debatable. --
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Hmmm, I used CD Creator at $previous->[1] without too many problems beyond the inevitable expensive silvery coasters...
OTOH, according to an ex-boss of mine, NT will reliably BSOD when any program tries to rip from CD audio. I've certainly never found a working mp3 ripper that runs on NT4 (plenty that claim to run, though...)
I haven't had a BSOD on the machine I mentioned above for, oooh, at least 9 months I'd guess - at that was caused by dicking about with low level kernel-space drivers. --
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If all the Windows users switch to mp3Pro, there won't be much for you to listen to except what you rip yourself, will there? Which pretty much kills mp3, no?
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Mebbe not, but download time is. Some of us are still on dialup y'know, and the download costs add up pretty quickly.
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>(IE, as root, I can hose a Linux system, not >matter how stable it is supposed to be).
(/me waving goodbye to the karma..)
Unless the admin has been paranoid / smart / had enough copious spare time to implement quotas, a generic user on a Red Hat Linux (and AFAIK, other distros) can crash the whole thing with a one-liner fork bomb. I know, I did it to a co-worker who was relentlessly (and ignorantly) trolling me about how flakey NT is vs the never-crashes, 200 day uptime, uber-secure Linux machine he was using as his w/s. A Rude thing to do, admittedly, but he doesn't go on about it quite so much now. And he couldn't find a way to do that to my NT machine... running BIND, dial-on-demand IP gateway & NAT, Apache w./ mod_proxy and mod-perl, local mail server, plus my generic workstation apps (mail, mozilla, emacs, cygwin apps etc) and currently has nearly 60 days' uptime. Nothing special there, I agree, but really NT isn't as bad as some of the zealots would like to believe...
Incidentally I'm only still on NT whilst I get an OpenBSD config working to provide the network services and get round to Bastillifying my Linux machine. And I'm lazy. And there aren't enough hours in the day...
Back on topic: I moved frrom RH6.1 to Mandrake 7 and lost Gnuchess & Xboard along the way. The grilf complained (she's (50%) Russian, so she really needs her chess practice;) - "no problem" I chortled, "I'll just grab the source, config, make, make install..." HA! chess is > 20Mb as src. OK, I'll take an RPM. And then lib hell began... three days later I gave up and told her I couldn't do it. Perhaps I should give Debian another go... wtvr, RPM sucks.
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>As an aside, anyone know what is happeneing with the new TV episode >of Blakes' Seven that they have been talking about?
I don't know about a new TV episode; AFAIK the movie is about curently in pre?) production, starring Paul Darrow as Avon... set five years PGP (p[ost Gauda Prime.)
Dr WHo I can take or leave (although I gre up withit); it's B7 that I've obsessively collected on video. 25 tapes at $25 a pop... worth every penny. I'm a fan, does it show?;) (google for my username for further evidence...)
Some random B7 resources from my bookmarks:
For the benefit of anyone unfortunate enough to miss out on on B7, it absolutely rocks, being a cheesy low-budget BBC take on Star Trek - except the Federation are an evil repressive authoritarian state and the good guys are outlaws on the run - and they all argue/distrust/betray each other. A refreshingly cynical worldview...
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which IS in fact about how TV sucks your life out of you thanks to capitalism. Doesn't come across so well written down, though:(
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I don't know that patriotism has anything to do with it. I'm English, and frankly I rather loathe many manifestations of the USA statem, government, and (I guess) nation as a whole. (NB, I'm not talking about individuals. Some of my best friends are merkins;)
But I've donated GBP30 to the EFF.
>EFF Member #11254 - What's your number?
I don't know, they never got back to me after I attempted to join... took the money from the credit card though... Hmmm, perhaps I'll drop them a line & see what's up. I could use another random serial number in my user_id:-) --
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Disclaimer: sorry for the duplicate post, previously posted this anonymously by accident. My bad...
Sadly, not many people have sufficiently m4d C++ skillz to be able to contribute to any actual code. (Strangely, there seem to be more of the 'bitch and moan unconstructively' types in the Linux crowd... odd that; personally I've had "work through K&R" on my urgent to-do list for, ooh, a good couple of years now, and I *will* eventually make the effort to at least *try* to learn some C and/or C++.)
In the meantime, I've been using Mozilla (on NT and Linux) since the first release of Gecko. Apart from biting the bullet and taking an extra five minutes' download time to get the Talkback version, I hadn't done anything to actually contribute. However the week before last I actually researched & filed a proper Bug, complete with test case. Getting mail as the mozilla developers start the process of tinkering with it suddenly gave me a huge sense of involvement, increased interest in the project and (ironically) a sense of achievement. I can't understand those people who say (as most, even Moz evangelists, seem to) that IE is a better browser. Modulo the particular IE quirks that drive me potty but others seem to love (security alert dialogs every 2 minutes, that infuriatiing CLICK! sound whenever you hit a link,...) , there is no way IE will *EVER* give me that sense of involvement, of being part of a significant software project.
Incidentally Microsoft (link only works with IE) now seems to be pushing a clone of Talkback, to inculcate a similar sense of 'being part of something' in IE fans. Quote from the WindowsUpdate website:
Internet Explorer Error Reporting : 215 KB/
Download Time: 1 min
Download and use the Internet Explorer Error Reporting, and contribute to the development of Internet Explorer browser technology. With Error Reporting installed, if a critical error occurs, you will see a dialog box that gives you the opportunity to report the problem to Microsoft. If an update or workaround is available for the error you have reported, you are directed to the appropriate Web site to download the update or view instructions for the workaround.
But why on EARTH would anyone want to feel a part of an effort to voluntarily help a commercial company make more money and extend it's monopoly?
For a long time, the only reward for using Mozilla was the feeling that in a tiny, tiny way, I was helping to make the world a better place by helping Free software. Now, IME, Mozilla is actually *better* than IE in several areas. Mebbe I'm biased through using it so often and disliking IE so much... but speed of startup and pageload is now of the same order as IE, faster in some circs., and the aesthetic of the GUI is far better.
Just my e2...
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Our company doesn't grow, or shrink. In any event there's always a market for software licenses if you want to stay legit.
Check the small print. Microsoft's EULA is NON-TRANSFERABLE. There is *no* legitimate market for old software licenses - that I'm aware of anyway - though I stand to be corrected, if you want to post an URL?
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>The new strategy, of Microsoft licensing the software per annum >will generate some revenue, but if that were to cost us $100,000 a year > we'll be saying, thanks, but we'll just stick with Office 97.
And what do you propose to do when Microsoft withdraw support for Office 97? And, given that they've already said that any copies still in the channel are pirated, where are you going to get new copies from (your company is growing, right?) --
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>Maybe what you should do is make people aware of whats really going on, >and help them understand the value of importance behind using PGP.
I've tried - at my present employer, and $previous->[1] ($previous->[0] were fairly clued up already.)
They just didn't (and DON'T) care.
At some point, you have to wash your hands of the affairs of morons. If they're that determined to screw up, why stand in their way? "You're a moron, fella, have a nice day, bye now..." --
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Slashdot Mirror
Seriously, how feasible would it be to make a serious network switch (say, 24xGE ports) on some sort of Linux machine? Isn't this just a complete category error - the hardware in Ciscos is just too specialised to be emulated by any sort of general purpose OS? I've heard of Zebra - it does BGP, which makes it a router level protocol - yes? Someone clue me in, please.
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You made a thread on nanog (thread index here.) Speculation there (and here) was that you'd either been a victim of an unusually Cisco-literate cracker who'd taken the entire netblock off the air, or you'd had finger trouble with some of the more fiendish BSD config files ;)
I hope you'll do the usual public post-mortem; looking forward to that.
traceroutes from the UK were dying somewhere well in side Exodus 64/8 space - well after the point that the hosts stopped having lookup-able names.
[1] DtG knows what I mean
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> turn off the computer, go outside, get a tan.
What? You think I want to get cancer -- let alone fall behind the constant stream of exciting news and events from the world of science and technology??
I'm sorry, but I'm smarter than that! ;-)
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"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"
Oh, sure, I just object to listening to PMs who wouldn't no recursion if it bit them on the arse talking down the phone databases that will "ping an email to the client" (true story!!) Let the PHBs hav their little empires, but include me out.
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"
>Of course, the norwegian law sucks in the way that in some professions you
>are automatically a union-member, and the union provides funds for the
>election-campaign of the Labour-party in Norway. This means that
>some people are forced to support the Labour-party with their union-fees.
Yeah, that sucks alright, but isn't it contrary to EU law? Oh, wait a second - Norway voted 'no', didn't they...
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>it sucks the way some IT workers are expected
>to give up their lives for some company.
It sucks the way that *most* people in *most* jobs or professions, especially corporate drones, are expected to subsume their entire existence into The Company... unlike most others, tech workers have much greater opportunities to say "stuff that for a game of soldiers" and up and and leave for somewhere employees are treated as human beings... many other people don;t seem to have that choice (except those blue-collar workers who are expected to work strictly the hours they're paid for, with no real expectation of loyalty on either side - both know that the other is only there for them until a better job | the next recession comes along. The middle classes, despite what Scott Adams hoped, seems not to have learnt that lesson.
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"
I completely agree. We, the computer literate - geeks, nerds, hackers, whatever you want to call yourself - I'd say the /merely competent/ for modern living -- should rise up, overthrow the clueless PHBs, the cookbook programmers in it for the money, the middle managers who choose our tools based on marketing hype and FUD, and (presumably) institute the First Republic of Hackers (something like the Republic of Perl?)
I've been hearing whispers that my employer is looking at a wholesale switchover to Java from mod_perl, entirely for marketing-driven reasons. Our intranet runs on ASPs and of course is a pile of shit - yet is touted as a "leading edge project management tool" in our PR guff. It goes on, and on, and on... putting massive investment into mobile data and WAP when any idiot could have seen months ago that it was dead in the water... drenching everything in Flash, unreadble arty fonts, blandest-of-the-bland 'Design'... and all the other signifiers of lameness.
It makes me sick - not just that it happens here, in what is supposed to be a nimble, aggressive young startup, but that it's seen as the norm, as something every company must aspire towards. Sadly, it seems that they're right to believe that our potential customers (blue-chip corporates) won't take us seriously without a sufficiently stinky pile of marketing bullshit in the pitch.
The hell with it, I say. I'm sick of explaining to these people why security is a Good Thing, or why it's Bad to have webpages that only work in IE 5 and above. Think I'm going to go work for myself in a bit, but (to get back on topic) a union of tech workers should stand up for those values. (Those SORT OF values, that is, rather than the things which just flew off the top of my head just then!) That's the sort of union I'd join, not one that threatens a nationwide PHP-monkey strike if their demands for at least two free soft drinks a day are not met... ("It'll hoit, buster, it'll hoit!" -HHGttG)
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"
Yeah... unless they "forgot" to credit BSD in the stack - or the "MS IP stack is from BSD" is an urban myth (unlikely)... running grep -ir in the next dir up doesn't show up anything else containing the string "regents".
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$ uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-4.0 LON-RHC-NTW36 1.1.8(0.34/3/2) 2001-01-31 10:08 i686 unknown
asimmons@LON-RHC-NTW36
$ grep -i regents *
[...]
Binary file FINGER.EXE matches
Binary file FTP.EXE matches
Binary file NSLOOKUP.EXE matches
Binary file PGPsdkNL.dll matches
Binary file RCP.EXE matches
Binary file RSH.EXE matches
For those who are lucky enough not to know, WINNT/system32 is roughly equivalent to /usr/bin .
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Nah, just rambling in a vain attempt to avoid work ;)
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...ah, but how long would they need to study systems admin before they got to that bit? (We're small enough that we pretty much admin our own workstations.)
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http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/suess/Inters tellar_Probe/ISP-Intro.html
Check it out!
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I never understood those things... why on earth would I want a portable mp3 player when I'm sitting in front a computer for > 12 hours a day?
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...and obviously, if you have the source and the skillz, you can modify & recompile Free OSes to work around any similar limitations - which isn't an option with NT. Don't get me wrong, I'm wearing a Copyleft T shirt as I write this (the one with the GPL on the back)... but (this is getting dangerously tangential) I think Freedom is more important than Openness (as in: OSS vs Free software) precisely becuase the "better engineering" argument ESR et al make is, well, debatable.
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OTOH, according to an ex-boss of mine, NT will reliably BSOD when any program tries to rip from CD audio. I've certainly never found a working mp3 ripper that runs on NT4 (plenty that claim to run, though...)
I haven't had a BSOD on the machine I mentioned above for, oooh, at least 9 months I'd guess - at that was caused by dicking about with low level kernel-space drivers.
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If all the Windows users switch to mp3Pro, there won't be much for you to listen to except what you rip yourself, will there? Which pretty much kills mp3, no?
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Mebbe not, but download time is. Some of us are still on dialup y'know, and the download costs add up pretty quickly.
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>(IE, as root, I can hose a Linux system, not
>matter how stable it is supposed to be).
(/me waving goodbye to the karma..)
Unless the admin has been paranoid / smart / had enough copious spare time to implement quotas, a generic user on a Red Hat Linux (and AFAIK, other distros) can crash the whole thing with a one-liner fork bomb. I know, I did it to a co-worker who was relentlessly (and ignorantly) trolling me about how flakey NT is vs the never-crashes, 200 day uptime, uber-secure Linux machine he was using as his w/s. A Rude thing to do, admittedly, but he doesn't go on about it quite so much now. And he couldn't find a way to do that to my NT machine... running BIND, dial-on-demand IP gateway & NAT, Apache w./ mod_proxy and mod-perl, local mail server, plus my generic workstation apps (mail, mozilla, emacs, cygwin apps etc) and currently has nearly 60 days' uptime. Nothing special there, I agree, but really NT isn't as bad as some of the zealots would like to believe...
Incidentally I'm only still on NT whilst I get an OpenBSD config working to provide the network services and get round to Bastillifying my Linux machine. And I'm lazy. And there aren't enough hours in the day...
Back on topic: I moved frrom RH6.1 to Mandrake 7 and lost Gnuchess & Xboard along the way. The grilf complained (she's (50%) Russian, so she really needs her chess practice ;) - "no problem" I chortled, "I'll just grab the source, config, make, make install..." HA! chess is > 20Mb as src. OK, I'll take an RPM. And then lib hell began... three days later I gave up and told her I couldn't do it. Perhaps I should give Debian another go... wtvr, RPM sucks.
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>As an aside, anyone know what is happeneing with the new TV episode
>of Blakes' Seven that they have been talking about?
I don't know about a new TV episode; AFAIK the movie is about curently in pre?) production, starring Paul Darrow as Avon... set five years PGP (p[ost Gauda Prime.) Dr WHo I can take or leave (although I gre up withit); it's B7 that I've obsessively collected on video. 25 tapes at $25 a pop... worth every penny. I'm a fan, does it show? ;) (google for my username for further evidence...)
Some random B7 resources from my bookmarks:
http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
http://www.horizon.org.uk/
http://lcw.simplenet.com/b7lib.html
For the benefit of anyone unfortunate enough to miss out on on B7, it absolutely rocks, being a cheesy low-budget BBC take on Star Trek - except the Federation are an evil repressive authoritarian state and the good guys are outlaws on the run - and they all argue/distrust/betray each other. A refreshingly cynical worldview...
--
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which IS in fact about how TV sucks your life out of you thanks to capitalism. Doesn't come across so well written down, though :(
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>EFF Member #11254 - What's your number?
I don't know, they never got back to me after I attempted to join... took the money from the credit card though... Hmmm, perhaps I'll drop them a line & see what's up. I could use another random serial number in my user_id :-)
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Sadly, not many people have sufficiently m4d C++ skillz to be able to contribute to any actual code. (Strangely, there seem to be more of the 'bitch and moan unconstructively' types in the Linux crowd... odd that; personally I've had "work through K&R" on my urgent to-do list for, ooh, a good couple of years now, and I *will* eventually make the effort to at least *try* to learn some C and/or C++.) In the meantime, I've been using Mozilla (on NT and Linux) since the first release of Gecko. Apart from biting the bullet and taking an extra five minutes' download time to get the Talkback version, I hadn't done anything to actually contribute. However the week before last I actually researched & filed a proper Bug, complete with test case. Getting mail as the mozilla developers start the process of tinkering with it suddenly gave me a huge sense of involvement, increased interest in the project and (ironically) a sense of achievement. I can't understand those people who say (as most, even Moz evangelists, seem to) that IE is a better browser. Modulo the particular IE quirks that drive me potty but others seem to love (security alert dialogs every 2 minutes, that infuriatiing CLICK! sound whenever you hit a link,...) , there is no way IE will *EVER* give me that sense of involvement, of being part of a significant software project. Incidentally Microsoft (link only works with IE) now seems to be pushing a clone of Talkback, to inculcate a similar sense of 'being part of something' in IE fans. Quote from the WindowsUpdate website: Internet Explorer Error Reporting : 215 KB/ Download Time: 1 min Download and use the Internet Explorer Error Reporting, and contribute to the development of Internet Explorer browser technology. With Error Reporting installed, if a critical error occurs, you will see a dialog box that gives you the opportunity to report the problem to Microsoft. If an update or workaround is available for the error you have reported, you are directed to the appropriate Web site to download the update or view instructions for the workaround. But why on EARTH would anyone want to feel a part of an effort to voluntarily help a commercial company make more money and extend it's monopoly? For a long time, the only reward for using Mozilla was the feeling that in a tiny, tiny way, I was helping to make the world a better place by helping Free software. Now, IME, Mozilla is actually *better* than IE in several areas. Mebbe I'm biased through using it so often and disliking IE so much... but speed of startup and pageload is now of the same order as IE, faster in some circs., and the aesthetic of the GUI is far better. Just my e2...
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Check the small print. Microsoft's EULA is NON-TRANSFERABLE. There is *no* legitimate market for old software licenses - that I'm aware of anyway - though I stand to be corrected, if you want to post an URL?
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>will generate some revenue, but if that were to cost us $100,000 a year
> we'll be saying, thanks, but we'll just stick with Office 97.
And what do you propose to do when Microsoft withdraw support for Office 97? And, given that they've already said that any copies still in the channel are pirated, where are you going to get new copies from (your company is growing, right?)
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>and help them understand the value of importance behind using PGP.
I've tried - at my present employer, and $previous->[1] ($previous->[0] were fairly clued up already.)
They just didn't (and DON'T) care.
At some point, you have to wash your hands of the affairs of morons. If they're that determined to screw up, why stand in their way? "You're a moron, fella, have a nice day, bye now..."
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"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"