Re:What it is good for?
on
On to Mars
·
· Score: 1
So, let's get thing straight here:
I'am not saying (or better: I don't mean it that way) that we should dig ourselves into earth and forget things around us - I'll be the first one who is willing to work on a mars landing mission or whatever it may be, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it come around in the right proportions.
IE: Earth resources: We already see the end of the oil reserves on earth - but there is by far not enough research in alternatives (we will definitively not found anything like oil on mars or the moon) and even if we had enough oil for the next 10000 years, using it without thinking would be the end for our ecosystem. So, what about spending the money for the mars programme for resarch in say, hydrogen-fusion or something like that? Could save earth and lead to an application of the knowledge we gained via the venus missions (about the greenhouse effect: We know using Oil destroys our atmosphere, but no one in charge does anything against it!).
Oh, and by the way, I think even the trees where a bad idea, we shouldn't have come out of the water in the first place. (I hope you hero of humanity and slashdot see the reference - thanks, for the compliments, btw).
Re:What it is good for?
on
On to Mars
·
· Score: 1
If I remember my history lessons correct, the colonies where founded with much assistance by the church, which had it's very own (religious, but evil) agenda. Then people went to America because they where politcally or religious refugees and even later, they come "to make their luck".
But what good have come from this? Nada! There were wars when colonies tried to get independent, the local cultures where effectively destroyed because of (so called)religious reasons or just because the immigrants thougt they where better humans than the indians. And like destroying the local culture was not enough, they "imported" more people to destroy, namely the african slaves. America could have been a paradise but was never better than europe and often enough much worse.
But: The old european kingdoms and the church never used such an amount of money as we need to when founding a lunar or martian colony.
For your possible(!!) ressources: How much of earth's already reduced ressources do we need to get them? And what happens to all the poor humans in the world that could use them instead?
When you think of it, nothing has really changed on the earth for centuries - there are still stupid wars, children are starving, people get pursued for political and/or religous reasons. Oh no, something has changed: All bad things got more terrible: Weapons got more effective, pollution is about to destroy earth's ecosystem and so on.
How about really trying to solve our problems and make earth a paradise before going on to other worlds? That's all I ask for and I think a very reasonable request from a point of humanity.
Can anyone tell me what could be the reason to go to mars, spending billions of dollars? What is it good for? Ah yes, please don't use the hollow arguments like "to survive" or "we just have to go" - just tell me intelligent, substantiated reasons like "when we have reached the mars, we will find a way to feed all people on earth because there grows some grain that make it possible"
Don't misunderstand me, I think space travel is great, but we definitely have billions of problems that needs our attention first. When they are all solved, we can spend money for future technology - but not a second earlier. An example: How many people can you feed for how long with 165 million US$? How many schools can be build with this money? Would the Polar Lander have had any affect of the daily problems on earth hadn't it get lost?
I didnt say that SW-Fans dont like humor but that (some) dont like the JarJarBinks-Form of Humor.
And dont you mean "I dont like" when you say "We true SW-Fans dont like"? Iam certainly a true SW fan but I actually like _some_ of Jar Jars scenes. Not all of them, but some. Then you speak about intelligence - but I cant find find much intelligence in feeling insulted by George Lucas with a character you dont like.
You have some (very good) point when you talk about the lack of relevance Jar Jar has to the plot - but the whole plot lacks a little bit of relevance to me.
I think the problem is that Lucas totally get lost in the possibilities of what ILM can do - while they are very amazing I would have preferred less SFX-shots in trade to some mory story-elements.
Hmhh - thats not correct. They shot the scenes with a stand-in actor (Ahmed Best, also providing the voice) mainly to give the real actors hints where to look and also as (lighting etc.-) assistance to the CGI-Teams. But finally they totally replaced him with CGI (they did that before in Special Edition Ep. IV, where some guy played Jabba and was replaced by a digital image).
Jar Jar Binks is the clown of this movie. He looks quite funny and can do some nice tricks because he is completly CGI. Problem is (for many, but not for me) he is an idiot and some people dont like the humor transported with it.
But hey, even if you are no SW fan - the film is worth to be seen nevertheless - so go, see Jar Jar, laugh about him or not and, most important, booh to Darth Maul....
Slashdot Mirror
So, let's get thing straight here:
I'am not saying (or better: I don't mean it that way) that we should dig ourselves into earth and forget things around us - I'll be the first one who is willing to work on a mars landing mission or whatever it may be, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN it come around in the right proportions.
IE: Earth resources: We already see the end of the oil reserves on earth - but there is by far not enough research in alternatives (we will definitively not found anything like oil on mars or the moon) and even if we had enough oil for the next 10000 years, using it without thinking would be the end for our ecosystem. So, what about spending the money for the mars programme for resarch in say, hydrogen-fusion or something like that? Could save earth and lead to an application of the knowledge we gained via the venus missions (about the greenhouse effect: We know using Oil destroys our atmosphere, but no one in charge does anything against it!).
Oh, and by the way, I think even the trees where a bad idea, we shouldn't have come out of the water in the first place. (I hope you hero of humanity and slashdot see the reference - thanks, for the compliments, btw).
If I remember my history lessons correct, the colonies where founded with much assistance by the church, which had it's very own (religious, but evil) agenda. Then people went to America because they where politcally or religious refugees and even later, they come "to make their luck".
But what good have come from this? Nada! There were wars when colonies tried to get independent,
the local cultures where effectively destroyed because of (so called)religious reasons or just because the immigrants thougt they where better humans than the indians. And like destroying the local culture was not enough, they "imported" more people to destroy, namely the african slaves.
America could have been a paradise but was never better than europe and often enough much worse.
But: The old european kingdoms and the church never used such an amount of money as we need to when founding a lunar or martian colony.
For your possible(!!) ressources: How much of earth's already reduced ressources do we need to get them? And what happens to all the poor humans in the world that could use them instead?
When you think of it, nothing has really changed on the earth for centuries - there are still stupid wars, children are starving, people get pursued for political and/or religous reasons.
Oh no, something has changed: All bad things got more terrible: Weapons got more effective, pollution is about to destroy earth's ecosystem
and so on.
How about really trying to solve our problems and make earth a paradise before going on to other worlds? That's all I ask for and I think a very reasonable request from a point of humanity.
Sven
Can anyone tell me what could be the reason to go to mars, spending billions of dollars? What is it good for? Ah yes, please don't use the hollow arguments like "to survive" or "we just have to go" - just tell me intelligent, substantiated reasons like "when we have reached the mars, we will find a way to feed all people on earth because there grows some grain that make it possible"
Don't misunderstand me, I think space travel is great, but we definitely have billions of problems that needs our attention first. When they are all solved, we can spend money for future technology - but not a second earlier.
An example: How many people can you feed for how long with 165 million US$? How many schools can be build with this money? Would the Polar Lander have had any affect of the daily problems on earth hadn't it get lost?
Just something to think about.
Sven
I didnt say that SW-Fans dont like humor but that (some) dont like the JarJarBinks-Form of Humor.
And dont you mean "I dont like" when you say "We true SW-Fans dont like"? Iam certainly a true SW fan but I actually like _some_ of Jar Jars scenes. Not all of them, but some. Then you speak about intelligence - but I cant find find much intelligence in feeling insulted by George Lucas with a character you dont like.
You have some (very good) point when you talk about the lack of relevance Jar Jar has to the plot - but the whole plot lacks a little bit of relevance to me.
I think the problem is that Lucas totally get lost in the possibilities of what ILM can do - while they are very amazing I would have preferred less SFX-shots in trade to some mory story-elements.
Hmhh - thats not correct. They shot the scenes with a stand-in actor (Ahmed Best, also providing the voice) mainly to give the real actors hints where to look and also as (lighting etc.-) assistance to the CGI-Teams. But finally they totally replaced him with CGI (they did that before in Special Edition Ep. IV, where some guy played Jabba and was replaced by a digital image).
Jar Jar Binks is the clown of this movie.
He looks quite funny and can do some nice tricks because he is completly CGI. Problem is (for many, but not for me) he is an idiot and some people dont like the humor transported with it.
But hey, even if you are no SW fan - the film is worth to be seen nevertheless - so go, see Jar Jar, laugh about him or not and, most important, booh to Darth Maul....