Those are all apps for stupid people though. 1) acrobat should be banned it's ill conceived features and barely maintained codebase represent a massive security liability. Using any special acrobat features ironically means you're risking compatibility issues 2) Google docs works great. 3) Corporate gmail works great 4) Corporate gmail works great 5) There is this new thing called LDAP if you want you can even have someone host it for less than the cost of a windows server license. Microsoft doesn't even come close to owning the X.500/auth world.
As a matter of fact I could probably replace your entire infrastructure for the cost of your microsoft licenses but you will have to start hiring experienced college graduates instead of MCSE boot campers.
A horrible backwards place where men without a character creation sheet are free to bully level 20 fighters and women refuse to put shoe on head no matter how many bitcoins you provide.
Fox news comments are one place that seem to have a sustained trolling effort. Endless shitposting along the lines of "Unlike the traitor OBUMMER! and his side BITCH the SHRILL IN CHIEF!"
Don't ask me what that shit means. But clearly the people posting in the comments are probably not people who are so rich they have time to fight the welfare state on the comments sections of news websites every day forever like oragelspeigler said.
Gee it's almost like women decided that they'd rather take work which gave them more options even at lower pay then strictly stuck to a 9-5 job that severely restricted them.
Yes this is quite likely. It's in everyone's best interests to fight for the dignity of our profession.
I think women do and did experience sexism but your version of history is probably more accurate than the article's. Tech has been a good place to most smart people that manage to find a way in even if it's not totally fair.
That's completely besides the point. Why should he be required to attend these seminars in the first place?
I know you're defending me but I would actually be ok with these seminars if I felt like they contained content that would actually teach men not to rape. I took one and the theme throughout the entire seminar was that men who do this are all psychopaths. Which in my mind means they can't be taught not to. I wouldn't mind classes that taught young people the reality of sexual decisions. Deciding not to sleep with your new date if they're flopping around drunk. Don't ask 25 times. Telling someone we're done for the night because they keep trying. Not boozing up your date like you saw in the movies. How to recognize that you're not thinking rationally because you're horny. I didn't hear a lot of that and I think these are the things that people could learn. But even then don't make me listen to this shit every year it's insulting and unpleasant.
You didn't mention anything that sounds like a reason to be defensive.
I saved this for last and I have no good solution. I just want to ride out the current craziness and I think we'll come out a society where workplace romance or flirtation of any kind is against the rules. Fine with me in the meantime I'll just be careful around anyone who seems off.
How many self-declared male allies have turned out to be serial rapists? It seems like you're pretending the effect is the cause: you don't like "Social justice warriors" so you're constructing a narrative here.
A lot of them. I read internet gossip sites and twitter/tumblr lit up with #metoo stories about e-famous "male feminists" I think it's a cosby thing. They want to wrap themselves up in a persona that helps deflect suspicion. I wouldn't care but "Teaching men not to rape" was a popular meme a few years back so you'd think these guys would have learned if someone could teach it. If you took that to mean that I think that I think being a feminist will make you a rapist? I guess I've heard crazier things but it's not what I meant.
You didn't mention anything that sounds like a reason to be defensive.
I've worked with some women who would be all over the kind of power that a sexual harassment accusation would carry at my current workplace. I have to give them credit I don't know anyone like that where I am now and any accusations I made would be an instant termination for whoever. But man one crazy employee, could even be another man and that's a little scary.
It's worrying that this story has been tagged "cultural Marxism" and "fake news". Someone apparently feels so threatened by what is largely considered an uncontroversial historical fact that they think it's an attempt to destroy our culture.
I like to think that stuff like that is mostly the work of paid shills.
Think about that. Do they think that remembering things used to be worse will harm us, that we are that fragile? Or do they want to white-wash the past so they can go back to the 1950 model society without resistance?
I think we want to view the history of women in tech through shit covered lenses. I always told people that computers were always women, maybe I just liked the way it sounded but while looking up historical programmer salaries I stumbled across something at nasa that says that isn't really true. I'm uncomfortable that I can think of women who would fling accusations of sexism in my workplace that would get taken very seriously. But feel fortunate that I don't currently work with anyone like that. Certainly women experienced sexism in tech but I think tech may have been better to women than most other careers.
According to this article from 1969 programmers from trade school start out mid-30s, today's money and top out around 100k. The one lady is talking bout she makes like 200k. https://clickamericana.com/med...
Right now there is a somewhat exaggerated narrative going around, I think part of it is small embellishments on the parts of the storytellers and some people with a narrative to push. There is a lot of truth to it but it's gone from there were lots of women computer programmers and computers from the early 1900s, but some were men. The women programmers were everything from secretaries to scientists and received varying levels of respect and pay. Women's careers suffered as a result of systemic discrimination. The number of women doing this job peaked in the mid 80s or 90s when the number of women taking computer science for some reason shrank.
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Programmers were women who sat doing math at tiny desks and then they became programmers after computers were invented. It was always women, the pay was bad and commanded about as much respect as a stenographer. Once it paid good, men simply came in and took over. Using a mixture of sexual harassment and sabotage.
This is not true the first women in tech were engineers who became famous. Adm. Grace Murray hopper worked right alongside Eckert and Mauchly on the ENIAC. Then she went on to invent the compiler.
Eckert and Mauchly's wives did a great deal of hardwiring and associated technical work and it was considered women's work but the notion what they did was considered menial is totally inaccurate.
The article and your post also completely misses that 20 years ago was the peak of women in tech, nearly at parity with men.
I'm not threatened by the handful of women in the tech workforce having a hand up in their carreers even if it's not totally "fair". There are admittedly so few that it's silly to get upset.
I am threatened by SJW callout culture and people who claim I need a scientifically proven don't-rape seminar. When it seems every self-declared male ally turns out to be a full out serial rapist it makes me think maybe these people are rent seeking liars.
Excuse me if the situation makes me suspicious and defensive.
The point was that if there is a large talent pool willing to work for less typically the industry will exploit this. I guess indians and mexicans are fine to exploit but nobody would ever exploit a woman. Right? Women are never exploited? Or is there some unaccounted for difference between exploiting Indians for tech work and Women for tech work?
Riiiiight. Rich people totally want to stay up all night making easily debunked or logically inconsistent arguments on the fox news website. Please go visit fox right now. Go look at the comments section. Now print the first comment on a t-shirt and wear it to your job. You earned it you fuck.
1) Programming work was never considered menial even when it was relegated to women. COMPUTER work, that is being a small part of a biological Arithmetic Unit was considered menial. Indeed it was, assembly line work doing basic arithmetic, it was in every way factory work that wouldn't ruin a pretty face. Many women used to computer revolution to take their experience doing this sort of work to become programmers which were always respected.
2) Machine operators and system operators were generally relatively low skilled workers compared to programmers. They would actually operate the computer in the days when most people couldn't use it themselves. Most of these jobs eventually were taken over by the helpdesk. Once again a deservedly menial job.
. Today, in the U.S., about a quarter of computing and mathematics jobs are held by women, and that proportion has been declining over the past 20 years.
Here is where the intentionally deceptive author shines through. 20 years ago was the PEAK of women in tech, when they were nearly at parity with men. Many people have taken guesses at what pushed women out 20 years ago.. My favorite explanations are that this correlated with the rise of the autistic man child nerd archetype in the collective conscious. But the best I've heard is that the dot-com bubble attracted greedy assholes to the field and women don't want to deal with that shit.
I find this highly believable for the reason I believe BLM. It's a problem that I can relate to and accept may even be worse for the person making the claim. The part that sucks is that the sort of PHB MBA shithead that ruined everything will be the first one to demand a comprehensive code of conduct, and comprehensive training package to teach our fragile engineers and scientists not to rape.
It's often the female version of the men that originally drove women out in the first place. Except they get the be the toxic boss and victim at the same time. There will be no scandal if their abuses are brought to light.
Your english leaves much to be desired. Please report to your supervisor.
Since you're not an american I'll let you know that after the internet lowered the cost of communication, suddenly people communicated more. When the cost of a long distance phone call went from $0.30/min in today's money to nearly free, people started talking. People started emailing family. People's consumption went up and it more than made up for the loss of profits from the stingy business models the telecoms used prior.
They themselves were the ones in the way of an immensely profitable information revolution. Now that we're post revolution they like selling all their new services but if only they could start price fixing all of these new products like the times of yore. Well it might be enough for some people to buy bigger boats and a few middle managers to move up into newly created executive positions. Which is a small price to pay.
Make sure your supervisor is aware that your english randomly breaks down and your knowlege of american culture is too weak to keep fom trailing off subject.
On Facebook: I don't have to visit a political discussion to see close friends of times past cry about taxes when I know they're in a low tax bracket and possibly on welfare or see some guy who used to ask me to fix his computer for beer like monthly, ranting into the ether about how he doesn't need or want net neutrality.
If I think they might be paid shills it's ok but it's bad when I see people I kinda like with heads full paid for opinions.
I actually think you're a paid shill. I always thought that the guys arguing with me were insane rednecks on disability followed by a wave of fat disabled SJWs.
But the paid shill explanation is by far the easiest to believe. Especially since these guys would happily argue with me that they're not poor and on welfare but they would never engage me if I accused them of being paid posters.
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Those are all apps for stupid people though.
1) acrobat should be banned it's ill conceived features and barely maintained codebase represent a massive security liability. Using any special acrobat features ironically means you're risking compatibility issues
2) Google docs works great.
3) Corporate gmail works great
4) Corporate gmail works great
5) There is this new thing called LDAP if you want you can even have someone host it for less than the cost of a windows server license. Microsoft doesn't even come close to owning the X.500/auth world.
As a matter of fact I could probably replace your entire infrastructure for the cost of your microsoft licenses but you will have to start hiring experienced college graduates instead of MCSE boot campers.
You can barely type on a keyboard I'm not surprised that the quality of your work is unaffected by the quality of your leaders.
I'm sure his employer has a full time person who walks around all day reminding everyone how lucky they are to work at Amazon or Google.
Don't make assumptions about what my penis can and can't do.
Have you considered that russian shills like to get online and parody the worst examples of the right?
After MBA bro sexually assaults someone he'll say "nobody will ever believe you! I mandated hiring quotas and rape training!"
I too have heard of this outdoors.
A horrible backwards place where men without a character creation sheet are free to bully level 20 fighters and women refuse to put shoe on head no matter how many bitcoins you provide.
Fox news comments are one place that seem to have a sustained trolling effort. Endless shitposting along the lines of "Unlike the traitor OBUMMER! and his side BITCH the SHRILL IN CHIEF!"
Don't ask me what that shit means. But clearly the people posting in the comments are probably not people who are so rich they have time to fight the welfare state on the comments sections of news websites every day forever like oragelspeigler said.
Gee it's almost like women decided that they'd rather take work which gave them more options even at lower pay then strictly stuck to a 9-5 job that severely restricted them.
Yes this is quite likely. It's in everyone's best interests to fight for the dignity of our profession.
I think women do and did experience sexism but your version of history is probably more accurate than the article's. Tech has been a good place to most smart people that manage to find a way in even if it's not totally fair.
That's completely besides the point. Why should he be required to attend these seminars in the first place?
I know you're defending me but I would actually be ok with these seminars if I felt like they contained content that would actually teach men not to rape. I took one and the theme throughout the entire seminar was that men who do this are all psychopaths. Which in my mind means they can't be taught not to. I wouldn't mind classes that taught young people the reality of sexual decisions. Deciding not to sleep with your new date if they're flopping around drunk. Don't ask 25 times. Telling someone we're done for the night because they keep trying. Not boozing up your date like you saw in the movies. How to recognize that you're not thinking rationally because you're horny. I didn't hear a lot of that and I think these are the things that people could learn. But even then don't make me listen to this shit every year it's insulting and unpleasant.
You didn't mention anything that sounds like a reason to be defensive.
I saved this for last and I have no good solution. I just want to ride out the current craziness and I think we'll come out a society where workplace romance or flirtation of any kind is against the rules. Fine with me in the meantime I'll just be careful around anyone who seems off.
How many self-declared male allies have turned out to be serial rapists? It seems like you're pretending the effect is the cause: you don't like "Social justice warriors" so you're constructing a narrative here.
A lot of them. I read internet gossip sites and twitter/tumblr lit up with #metoo stories about e-famous "male feminists" I think it's a cosby thing. They want to wrap themselves up in a persona that helps deflect suspicion. I wouldn't care but "Teaching men not to rape" was a popular meme a few years back so you'd think these guys would have learned if someone could teach it. If you took that to mean that I think that I think being a feminist will make you a rapist? I guess I've heard crazier things but it's not what I meant.
You didn't mention anything that sounds like a reason to be defensive.
I've worked with some women who would be all over the kind of power that a sexual harassment accusation would carry at my current workplace. I have to give them credit I don't know anyone like that where I am now and any accusations I made would be an instant termination for whoever. But man one crazy employee, could even be another man and that's a little scary.
It's worrying that this story has been tagged "cultural Marxism" and "fake news". Someone apparently feels so threatened by what is largely considered an uncontroversial historical fact that they think it's an attempt to destroy our culture.
I like to think that stuff like that is mostly the work of paid shills.
Think about that. Do they think that remembering things used to be worse will harm us, that we are that fragile? Or do they want to white-wash the past so they can go back to the 1950 model society without resistance?
I think we want to view the history of women in tech through shit covered lenses. I always told people that computers were always women, maybe I just liked the way it sounded but while looking up historical programmer salaries I stumbled across something at nasa that says that isn't really true. I'm uncomfortable that I can think of women who would fling accusations of sexism in my workplace that would get taken very seriously. But feel fortunate that I don't currently work with anyone like that. Certainly women experienced sexism in tech but I think tech may have been better to women than most other careers.
Here's that nasa article : https://www.nasa.gov/feature/w...
According to this article from 1969 programmers from trade school start out mid-30s, today's money and top out around 100k. The one lady is talking bout she makes like 200k.
https://clickamericana.com/med...
Right now there is a somewhat exaggerated narrative going around, I think part of it is small embellishments on the parts of the storytellers and some people with a narrative to push. There is a lot of truth to it but it's gone from there were lots of women computer programmers and computers from the early 1900s, but some were men. The women programmers were everything from secretaries to scientists and received varying levels of respect and pay. Women's careers suffered as a result of systemic discrimination. The number of women doing this job peaked in the mid 80s or 90s when the number of women taking computer science for some reason shrank.
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Programmers were women who sat doing math at tiny desks and then they became programmers after computers were invented. It was always women, the pay was bad and commanded about as much respect as a stenographer. Once it paid good, men simply came in and took over. Using a mixture of sexual harassment and sabotage.
Seems feminism has forgotten Adm. Dr. Prof. Grace Hopper PhD I guess. :(
This is not true the first women in tech were engineers who became famous. Adm. Grace Murray hopper worked right alongside Eckert and Mauchly on the ENIAC. Then she went on to invent the compiler.
Eckert and Mauchly's wives did a great deal of hardwiring and associated technical work and it was considered women's work but the notion what they did was considered menial is totally inaccurate.
The article and your post also completely misses that 20 years ago was the peak of women in tech, nearly at parity with men.
I'm not threatened by the handful of women in the tech workforce having a hand up in their carreers even if it's not totally "fair". There are admittedly so few that it's silly to get upset.
I am threatened by SJW callout culture and people who claim I need a scientifically proven don't-rape seminar. When it seems every self-declared male ally turns out to be a full out serial rapist it makes me think maybe these people are rent seeking liars.
Excuse me if the situation makes me suspicious and defensive.
The point was that if there is a large talent pool willing to work for less typically the industry will exploit this.
I guess indians and mexicans are fine to exploit but nobody would ever exploit a woman. Right?
Women are never exploited? Or is there some unaccounted for difference between exploiting Indians for tech work and Women for tech work?
Riiiiight. Rich people totally want to stay up all night making easily debunked or logically inconsistent arguments on the fox news website.
Please go visit fox right now. Go look at the comments section.
Now print the first comment on a t-shirt and wear it to your job. You earned it you fuck.
I back in the late 2000s I pre-dated natile portman but then security ruined everything.
It was going to be a great date I had reservations and everything :(
1) Programming work was never considered menial even when it was relegated to women. COMPUTER work, that is being a small part of a biological Arithmetic Unit was considered menial. Indeed it was, assembly line work doing basic arithmetic, it was in every way factory work that wouldn't ruin a pretty face. Many women used to computer revolution to take their experience doing this sort of work to become programmers which were always respected.
2) Machine operators and system operators were generally relatively low skilled workers compared to programmers. They would actually operate the computer in the days when most people couldn't use it themselves. Most of these jobs eventually were taken over by the helpdesk. Once again a deservedly menial job.
. Today, in the U.S., about a quarter of computing and mathematics jobs are held by women, and that proportion has been declining over the past 20 years.
Here is where the intentionally deceptive author shines through. 20 years ago was the PEAK of women in tech, when they were nearly at parity with men. Many people have taken guesses at what pushed women out 20 years ago.. My favorite explanations are that this correlated with the rise of the autistic man child nerd archetype in the collective conscious. But the best I've heard is that the dot-com bubble attracted greedy assholes to the field and women don't want to deal with that shit.
I find this highly believable for the reason I believe BLM. It's a problem that I can relate to and accept may even be worse for the person making the claim. The part that sucks is that the sort of PHB MBA shithead that ruined everything will be the first one to demand a comprehensive code of conduct, and comprehensive training package to teach our fragile engineers and scientists not to rape.
It's often the female version of the men that originally drove women out in the first place. Except they get the be the toxic boss and victim at the same time. There will be no scandal if their abuses are brought to light.
Your english leaves much to be desired. Please report to your supervisor.
Since you're not an american I'll let you know that after the internet lowered the cost of communication, suddenly people communicated more.
When the cost of a long distance phone call went from $0.30/min in today's money to nearly free, people started talking. People started emailing family. People's consumption went up and it more than made up for the loss of profits from the stingy business models the telecoms used prior.
They themselves were the ones in the way of an immensely profitable information revolution. Now that we're post revolution they like selling all their new services but if only they could start price fixing all of these new products like the times of yore. Well it might be enough for some people to buy bigger boats and a few middle managers to move up into newly created executive positions. Which is a small price to pay.
Make sure your supervisor is aware that your english randomly breaks down and your knowlege of american culture is too weak to keep fom trailing off subject.
On Facebook:
I don't have to visit a political discussion to see close friends of times past cry about taxes when I know they're in a low tax bracket and possibly on welfare or see some guy who used to ask me to fix his computer for beer like monthly, ranting into the ether about how he doesn't need or want net neutrality.
If I think they might be paid shills it's ok but it's bad when I see people I kinda like with heads full paid for opinions.
I actually think you're a paid shill. I always thought that the guys arguing with me were insane rednecks on disability followed by a wave of fat disabled SJWs.
But the paid shill explanation is by far the easiest to believe. Especially since these guys would happily argue with me that they're not poor and on welfare but they would never engage me if I accused them of being paid posters.