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Ask Slashdot: Biggest IT Management Mistakes?

snydeq writes: Sure, nobody's perfect. But for those in charge of enterprise technology, the fallout from a strategic gaffe, bad hire, or weak spine can be disastrous, writes Dan Tynan, in an article on the biggest management mistakes in IT. "Some of the most common IT gaffes include becoming trapped in a relationship with a vendor you can't shake loose, hiring or promoting the wrong people, and hiding problems from top management until it's too late to recover." What are some other career- and company-destroyers you've witnessed in your years in IT?

341 comments

  1. Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Focusing the department on nothing but fire stomping and not focusing on preventative design/administration.

    1. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As soon as you outsource you are in the hands of the company you outsourced to and that company don't understand your business model, only profit for themselves.

      Putting things in "the cloud" is probably the most dangerous thing you can do these days. It's like peeing in your pants, it feels warm for a little while.

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    2. Re: Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, SAP.

    3. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Separating IT and business, and that's often not the fault of the "IT Manager", but almost universally on other department managers, CEO and Board..
      Part of the problem are the traditional organizational structures and models themselves, which are more CYA and divide-and-conquer tactics, while stripping other departments of funds and resources, then blaming them (IT).

    4. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

      Focusing the department on nothing but fire stomping and not focusing on preventative design/administration.

      LOL! Try doing anything else when the company you work for sees IT as nothing else than a cost-center!!!

    5. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Use your time to send out resumes by the hundred, consider it a top priority fire. Use your phone as a hotspot to do it. One thing they can all manage to afford is big brother.

      IT _is_ nothing but a cost center at that place, it will continue to be that way until it becomes the scapegoat for failed IT security. Vote with your feet. Run away!

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    6. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For many companies the cloud is only cpu power, and connectivity.
      There is nothing wrong in putting stuff into the cloud if you have backups of your data and can reliable shift from one cloud provider to another one, for a company.
      And for a private person it is just convenient to use cloud based back up storage. I don't ... because I back up my private stuff myself.

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    7. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, stay away from the cloud, you might actually have to learn something to secure it properly... good riddance.

    8. Re:Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pay is crap, benefits are crap, your IT service is guess what, crap. oh your computer isnt working? ill get to it when im done taking a crap.

    9. Re: Pretty Much Universal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ????
      Your first sentence acts like there's no big deal because not much is being put on the cloud.
      The very next sentence brings up said data that shouldn't be there.
      The next couple are about backup?

      You know cloud data loss doesn't mean you lost access but rather leaked all that data to the world right?

  2. frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Implementing SAP
    Outsourcing
    Outsourcing your SAP implementation

    1. Re:frosty by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Implementing SAP
      Outsourcing
      Outsourcing your SAP implementation

      Whenever I talk to someone from a company that uses SAP, I always ask if they are satisfied with SAP and would choose to use them again.

      So far, this many have said yes: 0.

      For comparison, this is the number that have said they are happy with Oracle's ERP: 0.

    2. Re:frosty by lucm · · Score: 3

      Implementing SAP
      Outsourcing
      Outsourcing your SAP implementation

      Whenever I talk to someone from a company that uses SAP, I always ask if they are satisfied with SAP and would choose to use them again.

      So far, this many have said yes: 0.

      For comparison, this is the number that have said they are happy with Oracle's ERP: 0.

      I'll see your Oracle ERP and raise you one Peoplesoft, a true marvel of software engineering, where database tables have intuitive names such as PSPRSMDEFN or PSFLDFIELDDEFN (those are real names).

      Runner up: anything from ASG.

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    3. Re: frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see your PeopleSoft and raise you Infor LN. Table name like tfgld100203 and no field longer than 4 alpha characters.

    4. Re:frosty by Clived · · Score: 1

      Wow, the choices seem kinda limited then?

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    5. Re:frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      what's the alternative? a mismatch of disparate systems? (not for SAP, just curious what works better)

    6. Re:frosty by jools33 · · Score: 1

      I work for a company that has implemented SAP - and yes we are happy (so there's a one for you).

    7. Re:frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll see your Oracle ERP and raise you one Peoplesoft, a true marvel of software engineering, where database tables have intuitive names such as PSPRSMDEFN or PSFLDFIELDDEFN (those are real names).

      Hey! that standard naming convention frequently seen in AS400 , and other IBM products.
      IBM-ism ... See WebSphere with 13 levels of directories with so friendly names ... even if it is running on normal OS.

      Eight characters should be enough for government use.

    8. Re:frosty by CBravo · · Score: 1

      You work at SAP?

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    9. Re:frosty by DivineKnight · · Score: 2

      He said implemented, he didn't say that it worked. Contractors make bank on SAP installs, I'd be very happy spending 5 years implementing the forever project with no downside save boredom.

    10. Re:frosty by jools33 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No I work directly for an SAP customer (have done for 5 years now, cannot say which one unfortunately). SAP is not an inherently bad system, it really depends on how knowledgeable your implementation team are. SAP has some really dedicated developers and some very good support. There are definitely SAP horror stories out there - that people seem to love repeating forever and a day, but I can honestly say that I have worked with SAP for 25 years, and 20 of those were as a consultant, and in that time I saw one bad implementation (So its really not that bad).
      If you look at which large corporations run SAP - really the question should be inverted - and ask which ones do not? Now if SAP was as bad as its image here on Slashdot, the statistic here would also be inverted.
      Did you know that Apple run SAP, MIT university run SAP, NASA run SAP, IBM run SAP, Nike run SAP, Coca Cola run SAP, Disney run SAP, Sony run SAP, Nestle run SAP, US department of defence run SAP, Tata Steel run SAP, Volvo run SAP, VW/Porsche run SAP, Shell, BP, the list goes on forever... AND SO ALL OF THESE MULTINATIONALS are not happy? I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.

    11. Re:frosty by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think you just gave the material for about 5-10 episodes of a hilarious sitcom.

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    12. Re:frosty by jools33 · · Score: 2

      It worked - for all but one of the companies I have worked for in the past 25 years. The one company where it did not work, the main reasons for it not working were catastrophically bad management; basically someone decided that a good salesman would also make a good manager (this turned out to be a bad decision). That lead on to multiple poor decisions, and in the end a failed project; whilst that SAP product that they were implementing, at the time was immature, but many other SAP customers have experienced successes with it both before and since.

    13. Re:frosty by jools33 · · Score: 1

      and also I have never been a contractor, just a consultant, and not that well paid a one either (average income for IT sector), so just to break another myth whilst I'm at it.

    14. Re:frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commodore... nuff said :-)

    15. Re:frosty by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Being widespread doesn't make something good, people copy each other even when doing something stupid... Also all the examples you give are large companies which is a very important thing to consider...

      SAP is a large, expensive system with many hidden costs in addition to the purchase price. You will likely have to buy lots of dependencies, lots of highend hardware, hire many expensive and highly trained staff to manage it and develop custom additions to handle your own business needs.
      If you have the budget to do this, then it can work well... But many smaller companies go in blindly because they want to copy what these larger companies are doing... They get unrealistic quotes from greedy third party consultancies, or only see the ticket price and don't consider the true cost. They buy the software, but don't buy enough hardware to run it adequately, or don't hire sufficiently competent staff to manage it.
      Many sales people will blatantly lie to you in order to sign you up for a large purchase, and then completely fail to deliver leaving you locked in with a huge bill and a big mess to clean up.
      The end result is colossal failure and a big mess, or a system that limps along and still ends up costing a fortune.

      A lot of people have a stupid mindset that "company X is huge and successful, if we copy them we will be successful too".
      Copying a company 100x your size is not a good business plan, if you're a small company you should act like one and play to your strengths. You don't have the economies of scale or huge budget enjoyed by large companies, but you have agility that large companies lack.

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    16. Re:frosty by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Wow, the choices seem kinda limited then?

      Welcome to the world of enterprise software.

    17. Re:frosty by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I think the problem (at least in my limited experience) is that an ERP is brought in to replace something that was custom built for the business. There is no ERP in the world that is going to run a business better in the eyes of the ground-level users than a custom built software.

    18. Re:frosty by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you look at which large corporations run SAP - really the question should be inverted - and ask which ones do not? Now if SAP was as bad as its image here on Slashdot, the statistic here would also be inverted.

      That doesn't tell us that SAP doesn't suck, it just tells us that the alternatives suck more (or, at least, are perceived by people that haven't tried them to suck more).

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    19. Re: frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt peoplesoft oracle?

    20. Re:frosty by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of people have a stupid mindset that "company X is huge and successful, if we copy them we will be successful too".
      Copying a company 100x your size is not a good business plan, if you're a small company you should act like one and play to your strengths. You don't have the economies of scale or huge budget enjoyed by large companies, but you have agility that large companies lack.

      Now try telling that to the legion of devs who blindly use products like Cassandra, Hadoop or Storm "because we need to be able to scale". Then they jump through hoops trying to get it to do what they need (and not always successfully).

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    21. Re:frosty by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      All the worst software I've seen has been niche custom software built by medium sized businesses with overconfident, marginally competent internal teams managed by marketers promoted outside their competence. That formula plus about five years leads to consistent trainwrecks.

      It's a surprisingly common pattern. Can be lucrative. If they haven't let it go too far before panicking and if they recognize their fundamental mistake. If the marketer is still there to 'direct the recovery', run away. That basically means they still think they can fix in on the cheap.

      That same manager is the likely cause of 90% of ERP failures.

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    22. Re:frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The companies 100x your size are exactly where SAP is the best fit. If you don't have multiple factories, multiple warehouse, international operations, and complex business processes, you probably don't need SAP. If you do have complex business processes, you need some complex software to support it. You can't bring in MS Access and expect it to keep track of all your suppliers, all your inventory, all your electronic data interfaces.

    23. Re:frosty by sapped · · Score: 1

      I have been implementing SAP for the past 20 years. (Look at my handle.) I can count on one hand the number of bad implementations that we have encountered. The vast majority of them have been highly successful. I know this because I have supplied post go-live support at a number of these installations and on a couple of occasions even came back a few years later to implement more features.All of these customers have been very happy with SAP. (Including the people that work on it day-to-day. )

    24. Re:frosty by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      I worked at a software company (one that is in the fortune 500 list) who used SAP - it did intergrate all our SKU's to sales, manufacturing, and support - but the bugs in the system were unbelievably stupid things:

      * German dates everywhere (makes a huge problem if you're a multi-national - it seemed to have zero awareness of regional settings)
      * Sometimes different tabs wouldn't populate data so you'd have to be a copy/paste pro - if you've ever waited a minute or two for a support tech to bring up your stuff - they are probably copying and pasting stuff on SAP.
      * Required IE 6, with Java, Active X and Javascript - for the longest time - was actually a huge hinderance for moving off XP.

    25. Re:frosty by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      That's exactly the point, smaller companies often blindly copy larger ones when they:

      1, Have no need for the features used by the larger company.
      2, By copying the slow processes of a larger company, lose the agility that comes from being a small one.
      3, Don't have the financial or technical resources to use the complex software.

      It happens a lot and the post i was replying to was trying to make the same argument, $BIGCORP uses $WHATEVER so it must be good.

      In reality $BIGCORP uses $WHATEVER for varying reasons (works for them, locked in etc) and they have the budget and scale to make it work, those reasons may not be relevant to you.

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    26. Re: frosty by lucm · · Score: 1

      Oracle acquired Peoplesoft but it's a separate product. Oracle ERP is like a Ford Escort and Peoplesoft is like a Lotus Esprit. Both are garbage but one is more sophisticated and pricey.

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    27. Re:frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the companies you mention have had epic SAP project failures.

    28. Re: frosty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm A SAP security administrator for a huge services and consulting firm in the US, and in my experience, companies budget large sums of money to implement SAP, and then neglect to budget enough to maintain it's rather large overhead. I've inherited several production environments lately that were all set up and working perfectly a decade ago, and have since become an overgrown jungle of mismanagement because they had one or two individuals maintaining the whole thing, who didn't have enough time and resources to tune and maintain it to grow with their businesses.

  3. Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People in India can't possibly know your business, your other employees or your customers as well as qualified, competent, real live boots on the ground in the US of A.

    1. Re:Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would people in one far away country know my business better than people in another far away country?

    2. Re: Outsourcing by vaibhav.dlv · · Score: 2

      The shitting in streets (by humans - nothing can be done about Cow Dung.. Holy mother cow and all...) problem is being taken care of by current government. Fake degrees can't be helped when the AICTE (education board) itself is approving bogus engineering colleges due to corruption. No initiative is a human trait - can't help there. The washing part is caused by lack of water - a byproduct of India's population. So "Not a Bug, Won't fix!" On a serious note, I have seen so many product teams full of talented guys totally mismanaged by the MBA's in charge, I think we can blame these MBA's in charge more than any Indian IT engineers.

    3. Re:Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from Europe and I still agree with this statement

    4. Re:Outsourcing by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many of the data breaches that have happened in the last few years can be linked to companies outsourcing IT work to countries where the data protection laws are lax?

    5. Re: Outsourcing by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Funny story though - arrive in India and everything smells like you're out in the farm (cow BO basically). Apparently most Indians think everything in the US smells like soap.

    6. Re: Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All companies do validation and entrance tests. Unlikely that you will get a basic programming job with a fake degree, which by the way is not easy to get either.
      And if you are not aware, US has a big problem of fake resumes that companies are grappling with in same manner.

  4. Outsourcing and offshoring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The two biggest mistakes I see is that a dev team which is doing fine gets cut and the people outsourced or offshored. Sales and quality hit the shitter, but management doesn't care one whit about that, since to them, the only people that matter are the S&M guys (sales/marketing), so more gets offshored.

    1. Re:Outsourcing and offshoring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two biggest mistakes I see is that a dev team which is doing fine gets cut and the people outsourced or offshored. Sales and quality hit the shitter, but management doesn't care one whit about that, since to them, the only people that matter are the S&M guys (sales/marketing), so more gets offshored.

      Do you work at my company?
      That sounds exactly like my company.

  5. Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Executives with no IT experience running IT departments.

    1. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no, that's typical IT arogance (and I;m speaking as an IT guy).

      It's not that they have no IT experieence, it that they're idiots. A smart person would learn something about what they're managing, they'd trust their gurus. Idiots dance to their own beat.

    2. Re: Biggest mistake by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Executives with no IT experience running IT departments.

      NO. More likely the executive making promises to customers and PMs without checking with the IT department and then demanding a months worth of work be done in 72 hours to one week and fire them if they can't get it done etc.

      If you do get it done then it will continue. You are screwed either way

    3. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people in IT departments are lazy fucks with no vision. They pigeonhole themselves and lord over crappy processes, then are shocked to discover that they are neither respected or irreplaceable.

    4. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speaking of typical IT arrogance -- assuming that they should be in charge of anything involving a computer.

      Look, it's great that you've got an MSCE, but computer or not, this over here is a whole discipline of study. The folks who trained for years are barely competent at it, and you're not.

    5. Re: Biggest mistake by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Found the guy Billy Gates was talking about.

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    6. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must know my supervisor.

    7. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Would you want someone who wasnâ(TM)t a lawyer in charge of a legal department? Would you want someone who didnâ(TM)t have a background in accounting and finance running your business finances? So why would you argue that the head of your IT department shouldnâ(TM)t be a technologist? Specialized departments require specialized knowledge to make good decisions and defend them. We went from an idiot who needed car analogies and was good at spreadsheets to a technologist and in the process slashed millions of dollars from our IT budget. One of his first acts was to slash contractors and middle management. Then hire up engineers. As a specialist he actually understands what heâ(TM)s doing and can walk into any teamâ(TM)s area and talk architecture and technology with any of us.

    8. Re: Biggest mistake by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A friend makes bank now after his CEO got pissed at sales and marketing doing this shit. His sole job is to go to sales meetings and keep sales honest. He knows the business well, and studies up on the customer to understand who they are and what they seem to need. Then he shoots down sales during the meeting when they start promising too much or trying to sell something that the customer doesn't really seem to want or need.

      The marketing folks hate him, but the CEO, developers, and the customers love him.

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    9. Re: Biggest mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, I worked in R&D at a place where the products under test had to be physically chained down, lest sales come by and swipe them to keep promises they never should have made.

    10. Re: Biggest mistake by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What the parent said and 'IT managers are clueless MBA fuckwits' is not mutually exclusive.

      I'd ask the parent: 'Who hired the air thieves?' That's your problem. Don't fix symptoms, fix root causes.

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    11. Re: Biggest mistake by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      This last position I described it was the customers who were assholes too with a strict budget and a take it or leave attitude while the sales executives kissed ass with a motto of never saying no to the customer. If IT can't do it then fire then it's in the contract and the customer can always go to a competitor. Worse, your friend would be fired within 24 at ny previous employer. Unless your sales your a cost

    12. Re: Biggest mistake by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      You can barely type on a keyboard I'm not surprised that the quality of your work is unaffected by the quality of your leaders.

    13. Re: Biggest mistake by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Not quite the exact situation as no IT experience but in the mid 2000's the government department I was working in got a new CEO and he came to see my group of about 30 people (we made and maintained the web apps for the department from Apache up and had the graphics artists too). One of the first things out of his mouth was that he had never used the Internet and didn't know anything about it. Later on in the meeting he called up all interchangeable cogs and meant it as a compliment.

  6. News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    1. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me an OS that can replace W10 with everyday apps. There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows. Oh, AD capability is a must out of the box.

    2. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Show me an OS that can replace W10 with everyday apps. There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows. Oh, AD capability is a must out of the box.

      Don't tell me what to use. Tell me what you are trying to accomplish, and I will find a solution. That's my job as an engineer. Of course you can't run Exchange on Linux without virtualization. But if your goal is to get e-mail, calendaring, and contacts I can do that for you.

      Need Acrobat? Sorry. Try coming to me and saying "I need to read PDFs" or "I need to save this document as a PDF". Sure. I can solve those problems for you.

      "I want Office on Linux". No, you don't. You want some of the *features* Office provides...on Linux.

    3. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me an OS that can replace W10 with everyday apps. There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows. Oh, AD capability is a must out of the box.

      Oh. I completely missed that last moronic statement. "AD capability is a must out of the box". Why? Unless once again you've come up with arbitrarily stupid requirements...

    4. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows.

      If you list functional requirements instead of specific applications, then there are plenty of alternatives.

      The "Big Five" tech companies are Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. Only one of them uses Windows as their primary OS.

    5. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by discowriter · · Score: 1

      Show me an OS that can replace W10 with everyday apps. There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows. Oh, AD capability is a must out of the box.

      Don't tell me what to use. Tell me what you are trying to accomplish, and I will find a solution. That's my job as an engineer. Of course you can't run Exchange on Linux without virtualization. But if your goal is to get e-mail, calendaring, and contacts I can do that for you.

      Need Acrobat? Sorry. Try coming to me and saying "I need to read PDFs" or "I need to save this document as a PDF". Sure. I can solve those problems for you.

      "I want Office on Linux". No, you don't. You want some of the *features* Office provides...on Linux.

      Actually, during the Vista fiasco, one member of my Linux Users Group was running MS Office on a Linux distro and it ran better on Linux than it did on Windows. WINE and Crossover enable this, ESPECIALLY when it comes to MS Office.

    6. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      Windows as a primary OS is somewhat vague. Server or Desktop?

      Microsoft is a given.
      Maybe 15% of Google uses their version of Ubuntu for desktop. FB and Amazon are probably in a similar boat. Apple, well, would be stupid not to use their own OS.

      If you're talking the Server OSes, you might actually be right

    7. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      The "Big Five" tech companies are Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. Only one of them uses Windows as their primary OS.

      Which one? Asking for a friend...

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    8. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can integrate AD with Linux https://technet.microsoft.com/...

      Ive done it. It's a pain setting up the trust handshakes but it does work.

    9. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can integrate AD with Linux https://technet.microsoft.com/...

      Ive done it. It's a pain setting up the trust handshakes but it does work.

      Nice job linking to an article that's a decade out of date...and is also RedHat specific...

    10. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Windows as a primary OS is somewhat vague. Server or Desktop?

      For 4 out of 5, that would be "neither".

      Maybe 15% of Google uses their version of Ubuntu for desktop.

      I have been to the Googleplex many times. I have seen plenty of Linux desktops, and plenty of people using Macbooks. I have never, not once, seen anyone working on a Windows desktop or laptop for anything other than testing.

    11. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Software cost is minimal compared to (re-)training cost and process/workflow design. You work with the software people are familiar with to keep them happy and productive; workflows tend to follow similar lines and business processes are built around them.

      So in a a very real sense, yes, the specific features and interfaces presented by those products are the business requirements.

    12. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by johannesg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you're asking is extremely unfair, especially from users who are not used to think like IT-lawyers. To them "Acrobat" is not just "reading PDFs", it is a whole set of capabilities including things you won't find in free alternatives (like encryption, form support, etc.). Asking users to articulate those needs individually, when they can summarize with the phrase "I need Acrobat", which they already know and of which they already know it supports their needs, is both unfair and unrealistic.

      And it's not just capabilities, it's also a general lack of hassle. I use OpenOffice a lot, but frequently it fucks up the layout of Word documents. As a user I neither want nor need that hassle.

      Look at it from a users' perspective: what they have now works. What you are selling is a journey into a world of pain, hassle, and "sorry we can't do that". Why would they want that? What tangible (i.e. not abstract) advantage do you offer to make all that worthwhile?

    13. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Software cost is minimal compared to (re-)training cost and process/workflow design.

      Well by that definition Windows 10 doesn't meet your goals either, because it requires significant retraining of Windows 7 users. Of course Windows 7 doesn't qualify either as it required significant retraining from XP, which required significant retraining from 95/98.

      By your specifications there are only two Microsoft products that meet your goals, DOS and Windows 95/98.
      Since neither of those products are offered for sale anymore, that completely rules out all Microsoft products as functional for your purposes.

    14. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      I know now that I'm responding with a viable alternative you'll shift the goalposts but macOS ticks all of those boxes for you
      Acrobat Pro - check
      Microsoft Office - check
      Exchange support - use either the in-built Mail.app or use Outlook 2016 from MS Office
      AD - check - you can bind to AD straight out of the box.

      What else did you want?

    15. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And some of the things I hate most about Acrobats are these unnecessary additions to PDF files. It should be a read-only format, impossible to turn into a vector for malware. But no, Adobe screwed that pooch. I cannot open a PDF now, with Acrobat or Preview, without it thinking I have just modified the document and so it will ask me when I close it if I want to save my changes. I don't want encryption, if I wanted encryption I would encrypt the file. I hate vendors that send me "secure" documents and then require me to check in every 6 months to get new certificates so that I can continue to read it. I just want to read the document and I don't need the heavy weight Acrobat with it's strange UI doing this.

    16. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Works on existing hardware in a supported manner from the vendor. If you have a large number of Wintel machines macOS is completely out of the running. Granted you can start evergreening hardware but that could make this a 3-5 year project rather than a much shorter one.

    17. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you need to maintain compatibility with your existing fleet, instead of rolling over into new hardware then pretty much anything except for Windows is out of the running.

    18. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by fisted · · Score: 1

      I kind of agree that AD is a "must out of the box". At least it has no place in my box.

    19. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Archtech · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when users can't communicate what they want, and then they don't get what they want, they blame IT...

      So a good BA should get clarification on things like "I want acrobat" to understand "what do you want to do with acrobat" and when they say "hit and acroball right out of the park!" we'll know that they don't want adobe acrobat, they want a baseball bat.

      Users are dumb, and expecting that they know what they want when they say something like "I want acrobat" is equally dumb.
      If you don't get actual requirements you can't fulfill actual requirements and you aren't actually working on IT so much as just throwing T around and hoping that I comes out of it.

      Gathering good requirements is a part of the job and "I want acrobat" isn't a good requirement. Use cases are a path to good requirements, a particular solution that needs to be implemented is not a use case, it's more of a favor to someone's nephew who works in sales at for that solution.

    21. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Software changes... Applications come in and out of fashion, even new versions of the same software change radically between versions.

      When we were in school, we were taught wordperfect for dos because "thats what businesses use", by the time we left school there were very few (if any) businesses left using wordperfect or dos. They were using msoffice 95 on windows 95 or nt4, which is still radically different to the versions in use today.

      The differences between 2 versions of msoffice or 2 versions of windows can actually be more significant than moving to linux or libreoffice, and the prevalence of people accessing the internet using smartphones and tablets has shown that people don't actually need (specific versions of) windows to do so.

      As soon as you become familiar with something, that software will become obsolete and people will be using something else. Teaching specific software is stupid, you need to teach users how to accomplish their goals with a variety of different programs, and how to identify the functionality they require in any software capable of doing it.

      People are not incapable of adapting to changes, they just complain about it because they don't like change. Usually they aren't given any choice, and just end up getting on with it.

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    22. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many of those users also get by with a given application because it's all they know or all they have access to, but if they got used to something else they may soon get used to and benefit from additional features offered by that software.

      Many users actually complain about bugs or deficiencies in software they use on a daily basis, bugs or deficiencies which are not present in other software. People put up with what they're given and get used to the bugs and workarounds required, then will complain if you give them something else because it now has a different set of bugs and workarounds even if its superior on balance.

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    23. Re: News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      That software is used because it's better than the Linux equivalent. I tried using Libre Office stuff and it was shit compared to word and excel. Too many format issues and not looking the same in Office. Pdf quality varies from one product to another. Fuck, I hate Thunderbird vs Outlook. I've tried switching to Linux where I can, but there's many features not equalled for Linux counterparts. Skype being most recent app that sucks balls on Linux.

    24. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a story a few years ago about how google banned the use of windows desktops on security grounds. If you needed a windows desktop as a specific requirement of your job (testing, dev etc) you had to be able to justify it.

      But it does make quite a statement, the more technically oriented a company is the less likely they are to be using windows.

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    25. Re: News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Right, and not only can you actually get Reader for Linux if you want it, creating PDFs is as simple as "export as PDF" from the file menu in Libre Office. Also, a car won't work for me that isn't a Porsche. "Show me another car that has a Porsche steering wheel!"

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    26. Re: News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Good point. It is much eaiser now and works on every decent distribution.

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    27. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by The123king · · Score: 1

      "Show me a GM truck that has a Ford steering wheel, Ford dashboard, Ford seats and other items. Oh, and a Ford V8 engine is a must out of the box"

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    28. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by DrStrangluv · · Score: 1

      OS X doesn't *really* do AD. It just does the central account/login system, and that's just one small part of of AD. The group policy and software deployment pieces are completely AWOL.

    29. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an AD guy, they're not AWOL, just need extra software from 3rd parties to enable.

      GPO still is iffy, but MS already has an answer for most things GPO does (EMS+Intune)

      SCCM is fully Mac compatible using 3rd party plugins to hook into the OS (Apple has its own answer, but it sucks dog farts)

    30. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I want a reliable, well supported directory service that fully integrates with pretty much everything? Oh, and that my users are already in and I've already integrated across all my backend including the cloud.

      There's other directory solutions, but none are even in shouting distance with AD.

    31. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naive IT people are so dangerous.

      ...

      Customer: I want MS-Office and Adobe Acrobat Pro.

      You: "Don't tell me what to use. Tell me what you are trying to accomplish, and I will find a solution."

      Customer: OK, I want a program that can create/modify office and PDF documents

      You: Ta-da, LibreOffice! You'll love it because it's FREE and Open Source.

      Customer: why is LibreOffice mangling our .docx and .pdf formatting??

      You: Whaaaa! No one said that was important!!

    32. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 does not require a significant retraining of Windows 7 users. Stop making up bullshit out of this air. The user interface from Windows 95 to Windows 10 are only very minor changes for the average user. The only big difference to that was Windows 8, since it was written for tablets. Everything else you said is flat out bullshit.

    33. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      All of those are now available on a Mac.

    34. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If that's true, the training method is flawed. There's still a button in the bottom-left corner to get to a list of programs. The same power symbol shape appears there that's in Windows XP+. That's it for knowing how to use Windows.

      The rest is knowing how to use Office.

    35. Re: News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not looking the same in Office

      Non-trivial files tend to look different in different versions of Office.
      Don't blame the free software.

    36. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What you are selling is a journey into a world of pain, hassle, and "sorry we can't do that"."

      Funny. I work in IT, and the most common phrase I hear is "it's not in the budget".

      Suddenly, it turns out that some retard's computer broke 3 days ago, it's on my desk, and it needs to be fixed ASAP. When I say it's $140 for the SSD (because they had a HDD), OS and (free, b/c me) data restoration, suddenly it becomes a lot less urgent. Interesting how that works.

    37. Re: News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Skype is an MS product, so it sucks on linux by intention.

      Thunderbird only sucks if you want to connect to an outlook server ...

      MS Office is ok as long as it is an old version, before ribbons.

      Apple's Numbers, sucks, it sucks so bad it is close to unusable, it went the same way like ribbons, stupid toolbars to set formatting instead of menus and if necessary a dialog. Same for Apple's Pages ...

      Libre/Open office is in between. Still classical menus but incomprehensible supposed ways a user is interacting with the software.

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    38. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      There isn't anything out there that can handle Acrobat, MS office, Outlook, Exchange and other items, other than Windows.

      Your problem is vague at best. Exchange runs on a server, and Outlook runs on a desktop. You could replace them with a variety of applications. Which specific features are you worried about?

      There are quite a few PDF editors out there, and MS Office will run on Linux under WINE if you really, really want to make it an issue because "Open Office isn't 100% compatible".

      Oh, AD capability is a must out of the box.

      Modern Linux distros can join an Active Directory domain. If you're worried about that, you're a bit out of touch.

      With Linux, "out of the box" is always debatable since you can enable or remove any OS features. Ubuntu includes Likewise, and Redhat has ADCLI---those are the default tools, but you have choices. Unlike Windows, you can choose from a variety of packages to provide directory services.

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    39. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Existing hardware isn't a business need. That is a personal need.

      Businesses don't pay for their hardware, taxpayers pay for it.

    40. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That's complete nonsense. The 90s wants their "programs aren't compatible" talking points back.

    41. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Those are all apps for stupid people though.
      1) acrobat should be banned it's ill conceived features and barely maintained codebase represent a massive security liability. Using any special acrobat features ironically means you're risking compatibility issues
      2) Google docs works great.
      3) Corporate gmail works great
      4) Corporate gmail works great
      5) There is this new thing called LDAP if you want you can even have someone host it for less than the cost of a windows server license. Microsoft doesn't even come close to owning the X.500/auth world.

      As a matter of fact I could probably replace your entire infrastructure for the cost of your microsoft licenses but you will have to start hiring experienced college graduates instead of MCSE boot campers.

    42. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Well since windows 10 breaks a whole slew of old microsoft UI conventions now is the time to switch.,

    43. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      You should not be using acrobat's special features. It will mean that many people can't use your freak-standard documents and it's a huge security risk because acrobat is shit software. It shouldn't be used for anything except plain non-forms documents without encryption, without javascript, without forms. Acrobat has a bad history with it's crypto implementations and no other viewers support it's other stupid features.

      Saying you don't want to support the alternative and get your job done is just saying that you're willing to deal with issues when Tim at PartnerCo can't use the document he got from your company and you're ok paying money for the privilege. Plus there are all the phony features like document tracking that don't work right. That will turn into an opsec nightmare when someone too stupid to learn a new product is also stupid enough to believe that the document tracking feature isn't an easily defeated gimmick.

    44. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling he works at an IT department where they hire stupid plebs for peanuts and then make up for it by getting huge support packages on everything.

    45. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      He has no idea. He's one of those guys who has to have a consultant come in to set up his domain controller.

    46. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      This has to be a myth - I have a google apps enterprise domain with almost a million accounts so I work with them a fair amount and they do know their way around Windows.

    47. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean they use it for their day to day corporate use...
      As i said in the original post, they can have windows machines if there are business requirements for doing so - testing, dev, supporting customers etc would qualify. Anyone else without such requirements has to use something else.

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    48. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Everything listed works fine on macOS X.

    49. Re:News stories: Intel and Microsoft spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. The ask is:

      "Provide me with e-mail, calendaring, word processing, spreadsheet processing, etc. in a format that is natively understood and 100% correctly interpreted by all of our internal and external customers by default and in an environment with near-zero retraining costs for product use."

      Anything less is not IT supporting the business and keeping costs down, but rather IT driving the business to a path IT wants it to go.

  7. Hiring the wrong company by mfh · · Score: 0

    We hired a company to port our whole email system to Google. They showed up totally ready it seemed until I discovered that one of the director's email history packages was linked directly to a lower level book keeper's email simply because both of their names started with the letter C.

    When I found out I hit the roof and called the guy in and had an emergency meeting. What other bungles had happened? They made promises to fix it.

    A week later I get an email that it's all fixed and sure enough I went on the same computer and the package was there still and just partially disabled. The company had just done the minimal effort to knock off work early.

    I tell you that this type of attitude is PREVALENT today in IT. Apathy.

    How to fix? Better AI. Most of the stuff that can be done on computers can be done BY computers now... we only have to standardize and make things more uniform... without going extinct in the process!

    Computers never experience apathy, or better yet, apathy can be programmed out... but all computers start there... apathetic.

    To what extent will you make them care about humanity? All of you working in IT today have a shot at making this world better. Robots to serve us willingly. Expansion into the universe. We can't do it without them. The calculations to pilot ships out of our solar system require AI... to turn long journeys into safe and short ones.

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    1. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been running mail servers for decades. What is an "email history package"? I have never heard of such a thing and neither has DuckDuckGo.

    2. Re:Hiring the wrong company by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I believe in your message, especially the AI part.

      AI should be used to analyze and predict the behaviour of malware regardless of source and just say, "No!"

      You and I know the difference between bullshit and wild honey.

      A computer can know that, as well.

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    3. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's the old Domino files one has to spend hours on DOS command line to pull out of an Enterprise Vault system.

      Now you see why I'm paid the nominal bucks!

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    4. Re:Hiring the wrong company by lucm · · Score: 2

      I tell you that this type of attitude is PREVALENT today in IT. Apathy.

      I don't think this is an IT problem, I think this is a people problem. Recently we paid an obscene fee to get a report from one of those big management consulting firms. The report had the logo of one of our competitors in the footer, and they made a typo in all instances of our company name in the text. And they sent it 2 weeks late.

      Sometimes it feels like I'm in a video game and a majority of people around me are NPC.

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    5. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy Ground Hog day.

    6. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The thing is, offering to pay money to a company should have been the only thing necessary to erase the apathy.

    7. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      But it's not, because the individual employees you have to deal with won't see any of that money - if the company makes millions they'l get at most a pat on the back. The individuals will be paid the same irrespective of wether they work hard or simply make the minimum possible level of effort.

      And for larger companies, the amount you're offering them may simply not be worth it. They would rather deal with larger customers paying them a lot more than you are.

      Also in the same vein, many customers are already locked in so they know you'll be giving them the money anyway - why should they expend any extra effort to achieve the same reward? You are already locked in so they will only do the minimum required. Any extra effort is better spent trying to acquire new customers/marks.

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    8. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell you that this type of attitude is PREVALENT today in IT. Apathy.

      Nah, not apathy. Most people in IT now are just lazy slackers doing the minimum to get paid. Comes with being young dipshits.

    9. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it feels like I'm in a video game

      You're not.

      and a majority of people around me are NPC.

      They are.

    10. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Above the individual employees are the managers, and above them the execs. Motivation has to start somewhere. That can mean paying bonuses for a good job done; if the execs get a bonus they're going to insist the managers do a good job. If the managers get a bonus they're going to insist the individual workers do a good job. And if the workers get a bonus they'll do a good job on their own.

    11. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Depends how the bonus scheme is structured and managed... A poorly designed bonus scheme provides no motivation at all, and can even have a negative effect.

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    12. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      So in other words, the CEO and shareholders allow the company to be dysfunctional. If a company does a half assed job, they will lose business, profits will go down, and somebody should take notice.

    13. Re:Hiring the wrong company by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Being good to the workers can be a great motivator also.

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    14. Re:Hiring the wrong company by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You'd think...
      Usually when they notice the profits dropping, they blame the wrong thing and implement changes that only make things worse.

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  8. You didn't say within my own company. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Biggest one I've seen is -- duh.

    1. Re:You didn't say within my own company. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      The case has been largely publicized, but what about Sony CSO whose company has been repeatedly hacked over the years, thanks to simple tricks like sql injection? Maybe because Sony didn't have a CSO.

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    2. Re:You didn't say within my own company. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and? I've seen music majors in cyber security who were fantastic. I've seen business majors in cyber security who were fantastic. I've also seen both who were idiots. News flash: your college major doesn't mean jack in the real world.

    3. Re:You didn't say within my own company. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I bet they were all old.

      Back in the day, people often finished college before finding their love for computers. Not anymore. Having other interests is fine, double majors is fine, self trained and no formal education is fine. Educated but no relevant education? Into the round file with that one.

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    4. Re:You didn't say within my own company. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      I've seen a misguided dogfood policy cost 6-7 figures.

  9. Failing to manage customer expectations by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Practically every mistake in IT is recoverable, except for failing to manage customer expectations.

    In particular the two ways in which I can specifically think of that lack of customer expectation management becomes a project killer are lack of solid requirements (e.g., constantly changing requirements), and mismatch between the developer's idea and customer's idea of what the deliverable should look like.

    I think that the requirements one is the worse of the two because it is so easy to have this conversation:

    cust: Can you just add in this one little change here?
    dev: Sure thing
    cust: While you're at it ....

    Code Complete covers this pretty well with the analogy of building a house. "Moving" a wall is really easy when the house is just a drawing on paper. It is considerably more difficult once the foundation is poured, the walls are up and the roof is on. People building houses know that asking to move a wall in the later stages means lots of money and time on the project. However, because software is an intangible and you can't see it taking shape in the same way as a house it is much more difficult (for someone who is not a software developer) to appreciate that things that seem simple might actually be major architectural tasks for the project.

    1. Re:Failing to manage customer expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some good points which I have often made over the years. Except for one thing, change happens. Suck it up and deal with it.

    2. Re:Failing to manage customer expectations by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Practically every mistake in IT is recoverable, except for failing to manage customer expectations.

      Ok, let's see:
      1) Threatening to expose hackers AND using the same password everywhere including in your unpatched CMS (HBGary Federal)
      2) Botch manual deployment of a trading algorithm and lose $440 millions in 45 minutes (Knight capital)
      3) Do not handle race conditions properly and expose patients to doses of radiation 100x higher than expected (Therac-25)

      and the list goes on...

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    3. Re:Failing to manage customer expectations by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, change happens. And the later you want it, the more it will cost you. Suck it up and deal with it.

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    4. Re:Failing to manage customer expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you know why he used the qualifier "practically"...

    5. Re:Failing to manage customer expectations by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      However, because software is an intangible and you can't see it taking shape in the same way as a house it is much more difficult (for someone who is not a software developer)

      Iterative software development helps, where you deliver a prototype every few weeks and everyone can see tangible progress. Of course you still need to manage expectations as to what gets into each subsequent release.

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  10. Sales Engineer by Major+Blud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Always make sure your sales team includes a dedicated engineer. They will help keep them in line, and mitigate situations in which a customer was promised something like running Internet Explorer on AIX.

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    1. Re:Sales Engineer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what my own organization has, Account managers are assigned and SE, they setup evals/demos for potential customers, and when they have issues/questions of the technical nature that they aren't sure of, they come to my team, not a huge team, but we keep busy.

    2. Re:Sales Engineer by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

      As a former SE (FAE in Intel-speak) for several companies, I'd also like to say that the underlying organization behind the SE is more important. Sure, a great SE can beat his head against the wall to no avail to the customer, but a great organization that really supports their SEs when they try to be "the voice of the customer" is really rare. Intel did it better than any other org I've worked with, but even they failed sometimes. Those danged customers kept having their OWN needs, dammit!!

    3. Re:Sales Engineer by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      promised something like running Internet Explorer on AIX.

      Well, that's maybe not possible to do, but, having a customer requesting this insanity is also not possible.

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    4. Re:Sales Engineer by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      If I can get you to sign that you won't be paid before it's implemented, rest assured I will not only request it but also make it non-negotiable if I notice that you're too dumb to know.

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    5. Re:Sales Engineer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      promised something like running Internet Explorer on AIX.

      Well, that's maybe not possible to do, but, having a customer requesting this insanity is also not possible.

      We just spotted the guy who's never worked with humans.

    6. Re:Sales Engineer by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Make sure the 'Sales Engineer' isn't a lying weasel like the rest of the sales team.

      Having one and having him do his job is all about how he's paid. If his commish structure is exactly like the other sales weasels, expect him to weasel with the worst of them. Only he's worse, he should know better.

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  11. Contracts without upgrade clauses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Something that I've encountered is a sales contract signed with no provisions for upgrades. The end result is that we sold a product to a government entity... and then were forced to maintain it on old hardware, while the systems around it were changed and upgraded. There was nothing in the contract that forced the customer to upgrade, so they didn't, and we had to hire ever-more-expensive engineers to maintain this legacy system.

  12. Failing to expand with the business by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The big one I've seen with my current employer is that they've failed to expand their IT staff as the organization as a whole has expanded. The predictable result is that nothing but the most urgent requests gets handled promptly, and minor problems fester indefinitely.

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    There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    1. Re:Failing to expand with the business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that. Because the management thinking is that it's hard to quantify the use of a support department like IT, so it's easier/safer give money to the departments who "produce stuff". Nevermind that producing stuff sucks when your whole IT infrastructure looks like a colonial railroad system in the 3rd world.

    2. Re:Failing to expand with the business by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      Because the management thinking is that it's hard to quantify the use of a support department like IT, so it's easier/safer give money to the departments who "produce stuff".

      In some ways it's worse than that, because a key factor support people tend to use when judging which projects deserve to be treated as urgent is the political pull of the people demanding them. The net result is that upper management is the last to personally encounter problems from support departments being understaffed because their work always gets handled promptly.

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      There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

  13. Taking management advice from Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is definitely a mistake. Lol

  14. Voting for Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Look at all the boobs in charge, and look at all the places no one is in charge. It's a fucking looney bin.

    1. Re: Voting for Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, the irony of that title...

    2. Re:Voting for Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: It was the Democrats charged with grabbing all the women's boobs. Trump only grabbed p*#$%y.

  15. Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently worked for a startup with a real big asshole brogrammer who never was in the office and always was misunderstanding what was going on. Eventually I caught on to these charades. He was also lying to investors about our startup actually containing AI when it couldn't have been farther from the truth. To cover my own ass I sent a text message to the CEO warning him that we were committing fraud. After that the mark was on my head. Our "brogrammer" calls me into a room and says that I'm toxic. I counter by asking him his working hours and if he understands what fraud is. Over the next few weeks regardless of what happened I was ripped into a room and told how toxic I was.

    Of course I was let go shortly after because the dumb CEO who always called me "his brother" was well aware of the sham and apparently didn't care. The crazy sociopath actually thought that I would still be friends with him after being fired. He also thinks it's some point I will come back to work for him, likely whenever that brogrammer finally leaves. I wonder if he knows that I'm planning on telling the FTC and his investors about this "AI" company. It's a bunch of regex matching natural language to appear as if you are speaking to a digital assistant. They're actually telling customers that this is a real AI system.

    I would call this a serious mistake because their entire future is essentially in my hands. Since this Psychopathic CEO thinks I'm his friend and going to keep the lid on this, he's just plodding along blowing his money on other endeavors. I'll just let him build a little bit more of a paper trail for me before I strike. That's what you get for listening to the brogrammer.

    1. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by redmid17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right now this post makes me think of Ned Stark and his paper shield, except that you don't really have a paper shield, merely a piece of paper with no writing on it.

      I hope to god you have some actual proof and can take it to the FTC. If you don't and you file a complaint, you might well be facing a lawsuit on any number of grounds. To be completely honest, I don't expect this to play out well for you

    2. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're serious, then you made a hell of a lot of mistakes handling that situation.
      The right thing to do was to just go find a new job. That's what everyone else would have done.
      Contrary to what you probably think, or believe, nothing will really happen to your brogrammer friend. His company will continue on and you'll continue to be all pissed off about it.

      this "AI" company. It's a bunch of regex matching natural language to appear as if you are speaking to a digital assistant.

      I hate to break it to you, but that's what "AI" means now. Seriously.

    3. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep dreaming brah

    4. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by lucm · · Score: 2

      I wonder if he knows that I'm planning on telling the FTC and his investors about this "AI" company.

      Nobody likes sour grapes. Learn from this and move on, otherwise you're just sentencing yourself to a lifetime of bitterness and angst.

      "Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
      Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
      Listen to the words long written down
      When the man comes around"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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      lucm, indeed.
    5. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you didn't like your brogrammer boss. He doesn't report to you, so his working hours are not for you to challenge - you do not know what he has been asked to do.

      The CEO didn't undermine his engineering lead, and for all you know, is behind what you view as misrepresentation, and he sees as marketing. He is friendly because that's how CEOs become CEOs, they have people skills. You however are maintaining some kind of weird revenge fantasy as a coping mechanism for having screwed up and getting yourself canned.

    6. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by kleinmukka · · Score: 1

      He he. We know very well that AI these days means data learning, and exactly not what it used to mean 15 years ago. So when your CEO says AI and ML be 100% sure there is no LISP, Prolog, neuronal network, expert system, classic ai techniques, anything involved. "It's a bunch of regex matching natural language to appear as if you are speaking to a digital assistant." Exactly. That is AI now. That wasn't AI 10-15 years ago.

    7. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that not all AI is machine learning? Many if not most people would classify "a bunch of regex matching natural language to appear as if you are speaking to a digital assistant" as an AI.

    8. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Save yourself the pain and disturbance and just move on.
      Likely, the CEO, Board and investors, deep down, know there's no real "AI" there. It bogs down to matter of semantics and future developments, which are now out of your control. Let it go.

      Yes, they're assholes, but don't let them drag you down.

    9. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are confusing AI with neural network.
      AI is a very vague term that fits anything that simulates intelligence in any fashion.
      Regex matching and other language filters can fit well into this without being fraudulent.

      Once you start dabbling with how a brain actually works and how to simulate it then it starts to be tricky to define if what you are dealing with is an AI or an actual intelligence. It's not like we have proper definitions there.

    10. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      You sound pretty toxic to me. It isn't fraud to use a vague term in a vague way as a marketing tactic. By all means, blow the lid off this scam.

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      This posting is provided 'AS IS' without warranty of any kind, implied or otherwise.
    11. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. RegExp is actually one of the first lessons in NLP at Stanford (given by Dan Jurafsky & Christopher Manning whom are pretty much legends in the field).
      Never underestimate what can be achieved by some clever regular expression matching.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    12. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are telling him to allow his former company to commit fraud. You are basically saying "don't snitch" so all I can hope is that you are an investor who loses everything to a company committing fraud.

    13. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are saying he should not report the fraud his employer is committing. Is this some sort of "don't snitch" thing? If so, I hope you are the victim of fraud one day so this can be waved under your nose.

      Also, quoting the bible? Really? Grow the fuck up.

    14. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually most of the stuff we see on /. lately claimed to be AI and are ML are in fact neuronal networks.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    15. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Yep and if the courts get involved you are now unemployable and someone I would run away from during any interview or background check.

      Things do suck the lower you are on the food chain. But that is work. Unless you are a CEO or major VP with decision making capabilities you are just a cost and black box. Money goes in work goes out. Resign or go interview something else as there is nothing you can do anyway.

      You can't force someone to be moral or ethical at the end of the day. Only you can choose how you conduct yourself

    16. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI doesn't have a strict legal definition, it's only a marketing term. Passing off regex scripts as AI is perfectly legit, so don't expect them to be punished for it.

    17. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by lucm · · Score: 1

      You are basically saying "don't snitch"

      Yes. You'll understand that one day when you grow a pair.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    18. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Kind of easy to prove that they don't have any AI...

      --
      Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
    19. Re:Hiring brogrammers who push out real talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the "regex matching natural language" functions like an AI to the apparent satisfaction of end-users....who's to say it's not an AI? Artificial Intelligence I don't think mandates a specific technology, but rather a perceived capability. Doesn't sound like fraud to me....just one approach to a specific problem.

  16. Too many to list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen them all, but "buying products or services from Oracle" ranks pretty high up. Or more generally, putting faith in a vendor because of a glossy ad in "CIO Magazine" or somebody in management getting kickbacks. Nontechnical managers are incapable of making these decisions, but want to feel like they're in control, so they try anyway.

    1. Re:Too many to list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd add Adobe to the list of vendors to avoid.

      I know Gimp doesn't replace photoshop, and I know there's only one kind of Flash, but buying another Adobe product because you've already got one or two in house is just a form of self-harming.

    2. Re:Too many to list by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      I've seen them all, but "buying products or services from Oracle" ranks pretty high up.

      “Nobody ever got fired for buying from IBM”...

    3. Re:Too many to list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is almost funny how much Oracle-stuff costs. Just the license fees are so high that for half of that money I would be willing to implement the whole system using MariaDB.

      And how much Oracle database sucks. The performance? It is only in the paper. Do you know auto increment in MariaDB? You don't have that in Oracle, instead you need to make two queries. Sure the average time for single transaction might be better, but if you measure the actual performance of the whole system, Oracle will lose to MariaDB. Not to mention the extra development costs that come from Oracle being so hard to use.

  17. IT is NOT a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The biggest mistake any company makes? Treating IT as a cost center. Enjoy your understaffed, underfunded, and unrespected division that makes the entire company work.

    1. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

      The biggest mistake any company makes? Treating IT as a cost center.

      Unless your company sells IT services, by definition IT is a cost center. This is basic accounting.

      There was a good Dilbert about this in 1997.

      http://dilbert.com/strip/1997-...

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    2. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by suutar · · Score: 1

      perhaps it should be "treating IT as an easily-trimmable cost center"

    3. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by magarity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If done properly IT is a revenue center. Other departments must internally account for "paying" for IT services. Note it is easy to screw this up, but it can work.

    4. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by lucm · · Score: 2

      If done properly IT is a revenue center. Other departments must internally account for "paying" for IT services.

      That's called chargeback (or showback if there's no actual money moving around), and it does not qualify in any way or form as "revenue".

      "IT chargeback and IT showback (memo-back) are two policies used by information technology (IT) departments to allocate and/or bill the costs associated with each department's or division's usage."
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      We're not talking about complex financial statements here, this is just very very basic accounting. IT is a cost center.

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      lucm, indeed.
    5. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by lucm · · Score: 1

      perhaps it should be "treating IT as an easily-trimmable cost center"

      Spot on. And the corollary for this one is: "treating IT workers as interchangeable."

      How often have i heard: let's cross-train the DBA and email admins, or let's have developers specialize in both front-end and back-end work, that way we can move them around as needed. Every time it's a nightmare.

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      lucm, indeed.
    6. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's meaningless drivel from accountants who inexplicably are assumed know how to build businesses and create opportunities (rather than just pay taxes and payroll).

      The theory is that e.g. sales can be invested in to increase revenue, whilst IT cannot. However this is not true, in some cases an IT investment is necessary to increase revenue. However wvery single employee who is not a rainmaker is a cost center, and this includes most of the employees in profit centers.

    7. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but the trouble is already there in building an IT department. How far would the company go without what IT provides? Often nowhere. Many a little company that is eating aging dinosaurs about does so by NOT having an IT department, considering itself a tech company, and therefore embedding large part of what you'd call IT into business units that have revenue. As an added bonus, this kills entire layers of nonsense, and cuts classic principal agent problems that occur when a business unit relies on a department that knows it's just seen as a cost center, and will not get an iota of extra money for increasing someone else's financials.

    8. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's at least retaining the talent. Far more interesting and exciting for the whole staff is when the average tenure of an IT worker is about 3-4 months, so that he goes when he finally has a clue what's going on. And usually before he could train anyone they're hiring as replacement.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Or it can screw everything up because you have to "charge" for more server space and now have a server sitting there empty and idle while people start doing (non-backuped) fileshares on their desktops because their department heads don't want to "pay" for precious server space, with mission critical files also being stored in (non-backuped) areas of the desktop since the "documents" folder would be sync'ed with the server and thus consume space they'd have to "pay" for.

      Seriously. Don't go there.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    10. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh, did I mention that of course those fileshares are R/W globally with confidential financial data being stored in them for ease of transfer in the department (while sharing them with the rest of the company... if you're lucky, sharing it ONLY with the rest of the company, that is)?

      Seriously. DO NOT go there!

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    11. Re:IT is NOT a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Devil's advocate: IT IS a cost center. Does it make revenue? Nope. This is why the concept of NoOps and Amazon Lambda are so attractive to managers, as they can fire their rackers/stackers, OS guys, DBAs, all but the dev team. The cost offset of the smaller staff more than makes up for the OPEX of the monthly Amazon bill.

    12. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by magarity · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your admins haven't bothered to take away the permission to create shares. Lax security does not invalidates my point and I did include "Note it is really easy to screw this up".

    13. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      YOU tell a C-Level that he's not going to get administrative privileges on his machine, I dare you. And while you're at it, tell him he has to use the company proxy with the content filter.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    14. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      One problem with chargebacks is every time you charge something back to another department it costs money to essentially move one value in a db, to another in the same accounting db without any real value and without realizing ultimately in any given company - it's all the same bucket of money. You end up with this system where all of the sudden you have to charge activation fee's for things like phone and network ports, fee's for things like printer setup, email account setup - and it's like look really - we all need this stuff - let's recognize we need to pay for it and how much it costs and just write some checks.

      Of course MBA's have a hard time for whatever reason recognizing that IT costs money, and how much money they actually need for the things they do.

    15. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by magarity · · Score: 1

      It's your CIO/CTO's job to lay down the law to the other C's. If not, sucks for your company but that's not how everywhere works.

    16. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by magarity · · Score: 1

      Yes, like I said, it can be done poorly. If your company itemizes setting up a new person's desk phone they they've taken it too far. Just an annual subscription for IT services should blanket cover all the little stuff.

    17. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It comes down to the CISOs job. But I guess you never played at that level, else you'd know that not all C's are created equal. And unfortunately in most companies, the CISO is one of the lower tier C's, and certainly in no position to tell the likes of the CEO or CFO what they can or cannot do.

      Yes, it would be his job to lay down the security rules. But as soon as it affects them personally, C[E|F]Os quickly start to forget their ISO9001 sheets...

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    18. Re: IT is NOT a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our company did this. The result? Everyone setup their own servers because they didn't want to pay the extra cost.

  18. Letting creimer work one hour a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and spend seven hours a day shitposting, spamming, and generally being a nuisance here.

    1. Re:Letting creimer work one hour a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound bitter, sweet tits.

    2. Re:Letting creimer work one hour a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't shame someone who accepts that you're a failure, Chris.

  19. How about management mistakes in general??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ask because my company doesn't involve the IT manager in any company meetings. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.

    They make technology decisions in the meetings, even signing contracts for new hardware and software without any input.

    No, I'm not making this up. And yes, I need to get out of there ASAP.

  20. spending too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    time on slashdot

  21. "No. 1: Vendor lock-in" like buying Microsoft? by greenwow · · Score: 5, Informative

    In about March, we started moving everything to Microsoft, and they audited us in August. About $250k worth of internal time later, they gave us the final bill. We didn't know, for example, you couldn't run Visual Studio Professional on Amazon on nondedicated hardware. Amazon charges $2.185 per hour for that which is $19,140.60 extra per year. We're paying $1,199 per year already for VS for every developer, so we assumed we'd be allowed to use it with no extra charges. We were wrong. I think the total bill after the audit was over $130k plus the extra almost $20k per year on Amazon. We don't even yet use Windows for production(customer facing stuff)!

    1. Re:"No. 1: Vendor lock-in" like buying Microsoft? by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      It's way cheaper to run it on Azure. Gee I wonder why?

    2. Re:"No. 1: Vendor lock-in" like buying Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS audits have always been at disruptive times - migrating from WinXP to 7, file server platforms from Novell to Windows Server, or Notes email to Exchange. I expect the next one will be in the middle of our Win7/8 -> 10 upgrade, which will include a shift to O365 including hosted Exchange.

    3. Re: "No. 1: Vendor lock-in" like buying Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you run VS on the Amz boxes? Build it locally and deploy.

    4. Re:"No. 1: Vendor lock-in" like buying Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're complaining that you didn't do your homework up front?

  22. If I had to pick one by AlanObject · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not implementing and operating a data backup system properly.

    I have been bit by this myself and I thought I was doing a good job at it. (I'm not an IT manager -- I'm a software engineer who often gets shoved the IT manager's job for one reason or another.)

    Almost every other failure can be mitigated but not this one.

    1. Re:If I had to pick one by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      Not implementing and operating a data backup system properly.

      I have been bit by this myself and I thought I was doing a good job at it. (I'm not an IT manager -- I'm a software engineer who often gets shoved the IT manager's job for one reason or another.)

      Almost every other failure can be mitigated but not this one.

      I think data backup is very important. What is even more important is making sure you can do recoveries from the backups. (And keeping older backups off site) Lessons learned the hard way at my former employer.

    2. Re:If I had to pick one by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      I think data backup is very important. What is even more important is making sure you can do recoveries from the backups.

      Absolutely. If you haven't tested to make sure you can actually recover your data when you need it, you might discover you've been wasting your time, and at the worst possible moment. And, of course, that testing of your recovery procedure needs to include integrity testing so you have confidence the data you're recovering is what it's supposed to be.

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      There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    3. Re:If I had to pick one by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Almost every other failure can be mitigated but not this one.

      Oh, we mitigated around it. Thank $deity that Bitcoin was only about $700 back then.

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      -- I have a private email server in my basement.
    4. Re:If I had to pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew it was time to go when I was told to stop doing backups. It was just a matter of time before an "oh shit" moment happened. I asked for the request in writing.

    5. Re:If I had to pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australian Taxation Office. Massive SAN failure, where the recovery software was on the same san that failed.
      VM definitions were not backed up - or automatically generated - so those were all lost. The heads response was 'SAN's are usually reliable'. The cause of the matter was not nailed down, so a consultants report suggested a rare combination of events - and not reproducible. Bad design, bad implementation, bad maintenance, failed recovery, and it was all outsourced.

    6. Re:If I had to pick one by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think data backup is very important. What is even more important is making sure you can do recoveries from the backups.

      Absolutely. If you haven't tested to make sure you can actually recover your data when you need it, you might discover you've been wasting your time, and at the worst possible moment. And, of course, that testing of your recovery procedure needs to include integrity testing so you have confidence the data you're recovering is what it's supposed to be.

      My favorite quote is "Any idiot and his dog can write a backup program. However, it takes a real genius to write a restore program."

      Yes, it's super easy to write a backup program. You can come up with one in 5 minutes in shell script. But if you want to be able to recover the data, it takes a lot more work and thinking. Heck, anyone can repackage Hello World as a backup program. (Make it say "Backup done!" instead).'

      By testing recovery you're making sure your process works (make sure it's documented, because in the high-adrenaline environment of the server is down fix it fix it fix it, you want a solid monkey-dumb method that lets you get the server up and running again even if you have zero brain function left (distractions from people calling for a status update every minute, to maybe that alcoholic drink wasn't a good idea, etc), but you're also making sure the backup did something - there are way too many stories of everyone happy in knowing the backups were being done, only to realize that it broke six months ago because the tape drive jammed up or a staging server went offline, or other thing.

    7. Re:If I had to pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Backup and Restore scripts can be robust and fit on a single page of a decent monitor.
      1) rsync
      2) zfs/btrfs snapshot
      3) echo/cat/grep and mail the needed output.

      I had literally years of nightly snapshots available for restoring user files when I left my last position, in addition to the disaster recovery whole disk images. If your not an idiot, you can use NIX to manage the backend of even an MS server shop.

    8. Re:If I had to pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once had a consulting job at a company, They showed me their daily backup plan. Blank CD goes in the drive, run the backup script, hard drive thrashes madly for several minutes, window pops up "Backup is done", they take the CD out, label it with the date, put it in an envelope and put it in the drawer.

      I watched the whole backup, and noticed the CD drive indicator hadn't blinked a single time past insertion. The backup script was making a copy of all important files on the hard drive, but the original tech had screwed up and nothing was being written to CD. Every single CD out of thousands (they had been doing this for years) was completely blank (except for the date written with a felt-tip marker).

      They had never needed to restore anything. They went kinda pale realizing that they would be SOL if they needed recovery.

      I helped them set up a working backup procedure (multiple media, multiple locations, periodic testing....)

    9. Re:If I had to pick one by omnichad · · Score: 1

      rsync alone is not a good enough backup because it's identical to production and is tough to keep a history. However, I do use rsync with hard links to previous backups in a manner similar to Apple's Time Machine (each backup is its own folder).

    10. Re:If I had to pick one by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      In 2009, I bought a bitcoin at $4. Due to a lack of adequate backup strategy, I can't find the Wallet.DAT file. A $10,000 mistake.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    11. Re:If I had to pick one by epine · · Score: 1

      In 2009, I bought a bitcoin at $4. Due to a lack of adequate backup strategy, I can't find the Wallet.DAT file. A $10,000 mistake.

      If you can't even find your wallet, it's an egregious overestimate of your fiscal competence to assume you would have sold the coin before the nadir of the looming crash.

      There are two stripes of could-have-been speculators:
      * those who are good at buying at the right time
      * those who are good at selling at the right time

      Apparently, being good a both is a form of multitasking that does not come easily to the human brain which shall forever remain short supply.

    12. Re:If I had to pick one by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I actually *bought at the wrong time*. The next day, that bitcoin was worth $.20. I totally forgot about it until it was worth $9000, and by then, well, the wallet is likely on one of four hard drives in my desk drawer, all of which apparently either have crashed heads or I bought a really bad PATA/SATA to USB interface off of Amazon.

      One of those is the SATA from my Iomega network drive whose network card went bad. It had all of my backups from that era on it.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    13. Re:If I had to pick one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rsync alone is not a good enough backup because it's identical to production and is tough to keep a history. However, I do use rsync with hard links to previous backups in a manner similar to Apple's Time Machine (each backup is its own folder).

      Rsync and zfs/btrfs snapshots are what Apple Time machine is based on... Poorly.

      My backup folders look like ...
      RESOURCE_2017_12_17_1700
      RESOURCE_2017_12_18_1700
      RESOURCE_2017_12_19_1700

  23. Focusing on Employees by lionchild · · Score: 1

    When a company focuses on taking care of their Employees, then the employees can focus on getting work done, getting the client taken care of.

    Part of that is keeping employees skilled. You might think the worst that could happen is that they outgrow your company and move on because they've become highly skilled. That's not true at all. They could be underskilled and stay right where they are ...until the company goes under.

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    1. Re:Focusing on Employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. You are absolutely right. I work in a place right now that was pretty good when I started. They valued their employees, did what they could to train and retain them, and paid pretty good. Now we've had managers who think we're all replaceable like batteries. No flexibility, reduction in pay, and no training. I'm watching my skills atrophy, motivation is at an all time low, and I'm pretty close to leaving. Others have already left. So soon they will be left with nothing but the bottom of the barrel. Need to sell my stock.

    2. Re:Focusing on Employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sell stock, use some of the money to retrain, and then leave.

    3. Re:Focusing on Employees by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Stop doing any work, retrain on the clock.

      Clueless management has advantages.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  24. Refusing to let go/listening to staff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CIO's and technical leaders who refuse to step away from the Technology and let the business drive the investment direction have, in my experience, resulted in a number of high-waste scenarios.

    I've been called in to consult on a number of cases where a CIO wants 'X', potentially the next bleeding edge shiny technical doohicky, that they have no idea of their use case, but was suggested by their buddy to look into... who then, when their staff provide empirical evidence that there will be no business benefit, and overall business loss due to TCO and other 'hidden' costs, ignore the position and push ahead with the product anyway.

    They re-discover the cost holes later, when licensing costs are 5x that of what they had budgeted for at the start of the financial year. Only to remove it cause its actually got no business benefit.

    I understand taking risks to find new products, and the oft true perception that staffers are completely resistant to change, but when faced with quality evaluation showing there is no benefit, refusing to not withdraw an opinion or commitment shows poor leadership and a stubbornness that wont benefit business at all.

    1. Re:Refusing to let go/listening to staff... by lucm · · Score: 1

      when faced with quality evaluation showing there is no benefit, refusing to not withdraw an opinion or commitment shows poor leadership and a stubbornness that wont benefit business at all.

      That's just people being people. Instead of being in their face and expecting logic to win them over, as a consultant your job is to find a way for them to save face while walking away from one of their previous decisions - including jumping on the grenade yourself once in a while. If you become good at that, you'll always make shit-tons of money.

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  25. This manager previously worked for Yahoo Japan ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he must be a awesome manager! Or at least that was what the board of directors thought.
    9 months later my whole division (+130 employees) went bankrupt and was shut down due to mismanagement and bad decisions.
    The whole Japanese IT sector is littered with incompetent managers who all seem to have worked a few years for YahooJapan or Rakuten.

  26. Like this? by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arriving at the new hospital data center (a room 500 ft from the old data center) before anyone else (including IBM), doors open, snowing a blizzard out at 25 degrees, calling the CIO and asking him if he'd been in the room lately.

    Nope.

    Asking him if he had the electrical contractor's number Call it. There is not s single power outlet visible. Not one.

    Yeah, they closed up the walls and painted, the electrical sub never got called.

    Extension cords. Frantic 220 installs. Mangled sheetrock. The AS/400 came up about 5:30pm. I was secretly pleased our NetWare cluster was in failover...

    We got done about 10:30pm on a Sunday night. No one every asked if this was an IT blunder or or a contractor blunder, but I never discussed it with the CIO , ever. He paid the overtime. My boss was litersally, genuinely speechless, a first for him. This was the same client who had a Token_Ring network that would beacon furiously on a regular basis. IBM took three months to say they couldn't do anything with the CAUs/LAMs, and they should come out and be replaced with switches. Took me asn entire afternoon to find the loose DB-9 interconnect on an 8230 chassis, the ones that were welded on back then. Bolted it in place, problem solved, we did put in the T-C switches during the move. I credit Laura Chappell, her presentation on Token networks at Networks Expo when she was with Novell, and Lanalyzer, for making me a lot of money. Thanks you, Laura!

    Now there was the client who, after much analysis, believed his app vendor and replaced our 16MB Token-Ring network with 100Base-T, since they were adamant that Ethernet would outperform Token. This required recabling, drops from the ceiling, because we had reused the existing Cat 3 PDS in floor trays, but that wouldn't do for 100Base-T. No, it made no difference. The vendor them blamed NetWare and AdvantageDB, and in came the NT 4 server. The IT supervisor was the owner's son, but that's not why I questioned his competence.

    I don't know how that came out because they wouldn't use us for that, we were a 'NetWare shop', despite my finishing my MCSE. Fine. I know the new guys presented migrating NetWare to NT at our Novell user group two months later. That's how it was back then. Feh.

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    1. Re:Like this? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A month or so after I was "promoted" from lowly developer to "Systems Infrastructure Manager" during a whole-scale move from an old green screen AIX based system to a brand new in house custom rewrite in modern tech, we had some of the new replacement hardware onsite and being built up (although the replacement applications werent ready to go, but thats not important to this story).

      One friday, the UPS support contractor came in to do his servicing of the UPS - that went well, he finished up and switched it back from "bypass" to "protected". That triggered a surge on the electrical supply to both server rooms, which took the AIX box off line. Due to the nature of the green screen application, there was no way for it to be high availability - the data couldnt be replicated in real time, it didnt even talk to anything other than its own binary database files...

      A few hours later, the corrupted AIX box was restored and ready to go - by this time, the company (a busy call centre) had been on manual processes for the entire afternoon. On the advice of the UPS contractor, who said the surge was probably the result of too much load on the UPS at the time, we decided to do a full shut down of the entire system, switch the UPS back over into "protected" and bring everything back up - so we waited until 6pm and did just that...

      At 6pm, I threw the switch - and promptly looked over my shoulder at the comms racks behind me in the server room. The comms racks were billowing smoke. The comms equipment was burning. Before I could react, I heard loads of loud pops and bangs - both inside the server room and outside it.

      Another surge. This one did real damage - a dozen network switches dead, over 40 PSUs in the servers dead, one server dead outright, and loads of call centre desktops went (loudly) pop.

      Panic time. UPS contractor called back in - they gave the UPS a clean bill of health and promptly left, disavowing any responsibility.

      The board of directors shat themselves - at that point we didnt know the ultimate damage count, but suffice to say the company was dead in the water to any observer.

      Cue a desperate night of testing servers, pulling dead PSUs and swapping redundant PSUs between servers so that each server had at least one good PSU. Comms equipment was harder to solve, having to get some expensive switches from our local shop to tide us over. Desktops were bought from the local consumer PC store to give us enough desktops to run the company.

      Ultimately, we were back up and running for 8am Saturday - it wasn't pretty, but it was up and running. 3 of us in the IT tech team worked through the night scraping the bare minimum together.

      My predecessors DR plan was fleshed out to the point of "we have a DR site" (a commercial site a town over that we had a contract to use - no equipment there, no plans for how to fail over to it etc etc).

      So, on to the management failure....

      It just so happens that one of my things "to do" on the following Monday was to submit my DR plan for the "new world infrastructure" to the board, who were having their quarterly board meeting the following week (10 days after the company almost died). It was a modest one, but required some equipment outlay to make any DR event as smooth as possible - kept the same contract with the off site unit etc etc.

      They turned it down, said it wasn't needed.

      I quit the following week.

    2. Re:Like this? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the only way to avoid the smoke would be to turn off all the equipment, power the UPS, then cycle on pieces. Of course, if the UPS was going to surge, I think it would be time to chain the UPS tech to a rack and determine what sort of surge would be permitted - most power distribution systems include that protection.

      But hey, I've watched machine rooms power back on from the big red levers before, even after three attempts and realizing the inrush demand was tripping the breakers, and well, hey, hindsight.

      But I lost blind trust in UPS systems around 1992. And trust in tape backups the same year.

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    3. Re:Like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading this, it sounds like you were the idiot responsible. One mksysb tape and a backup of your data volume groups would have saved you most of this pain (just restore on replacement hardware). It also sounds like the whole thing might have been due to your lack of understanding of the electrical system in the first place. I help people recover POWER systems all the time, I haven't ran into any with quite the level of Kruger-Dunning effect you seem to have going on. The boss was smart enough to know that your "modern" replacement would just cost a shitton of money and result in nothing better than the status quo. Also, if you think you can't cluster a greenscreen application, then you are even more ignorant that I first gave you credit for. I've done it dozens of times.

    4. Re:Like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They turned it down, said it wasn't needed.

      And technically, they were right.

      Why invest $$$ in a DR plan to deal with an event, when you and your team had already shown that said event could be dealt with? Especially when there's no guarantee you even need to spend the $$$ (only needed if the worst happens), but if you enact the DR plan you're definitely spending $$$.

      To business people, DR plans are expensive insurance policies to ensure the company's survival should the worst happen. In your case, the worst happened, and the company didn't die. Ergo, no DR plan necessary.

      Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

    5. Re:Like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in the end what was a reason for the fire?

    6. Re:Like this? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Nice of you to make all sorts of claims when you have no idea what the setup was (beyond the basics I have described), or the condition of the company on the green screen system.

      I think the idiot here is you - are you a consultant by any chance? You seem to like making massive unsubstantiated claims with zero knowledge of the specific systems at hand, so you must be a consultant...

  27. Mine... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ...was caving and hiring the the admin by boss, the CEO, wanted me to hire, not the one I wanted to hire. Badddddd mistake, but she did end up letting me fire him after a series of highly visible fuckups.

  28. Wow! Equifax. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1
  29. Know your limits by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Know what results are needed.
    Does a medical database have to track phone calls, public and private databases to ensure every person who had a test got their results?
    If a person had contact with a professional over a result? That person never got a result and never saw the professional after a test was done.
    That a person actually got their results and did not move to another part of the country?

    Bring in an expert who has worked with the exact problem around the world and who can make a database work in your country.
    Real skills and the local experts get network and database they want.
    Have political and gov move in and demand they be allowed to build the network with gov staff and other contractors who have no skills.
    Thats how big gov can fail.
    Take a project from the gov that has the skills and give to the politically connected private sector.
    The contractors have no skills.
    Thats how contractors can fail.

    Stop using people with no skills. Stop allowing people to work on complex projects who did not pass their exams and got given a decade of social advancement.
    IT can work if the right experts in the private sector, gov, mil or as contractors are found.
    Stop advancing very average people with no skills into the IT sector every generation.
    Find professionals that can understand complex problems.

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    1. Re:Know your limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Does a medical database have to track phone calls, public and private databases to ensure every person who had a test got their results?
      If a person had contact with a professional over a result? That person never got a result and never saw the professional after a test was done.
      That a person actually got their results and did not move to another part of the country?

      Yes. Every single thing you mentioned there has to be in secured database with the exact same safeguards per HIPAA requirements.

      -Someone with 20 years experience writing HIPAA validated apps for all the major pharma corps.

  30. Oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject.

  31. I hope I don't start doing this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst I have seen at multiple places (my employers and their customers) is usually inaction.

    Bad choices, inexperience,etc, can be bad, but usually when someone just sits on things or puts them off (due to a plethora of reasons) causes harm in the computing environment but also within the IT team who are ultimately held accountable for the actions not taken.

  32. Sunk cost fallacy by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Time and again, it's the sunk cost fallacy. A system that an organization might have spent a few million dollars to build is just not shaping up into anything they can use, but they keep at it rather than ditching it and seeing what they can do to change things.

    What ironic about this is that I think agile actually encourages the sunk cost fallacy because teams will go "oohhh we can 'pivot' a little each sprint." Uh, no. If it's deep-fried dog shit for an architecture, and design you're not going to "pivot" out of this. It gets even worse when you have a management culture that doesn't understand refactoring; most of the agile teams I've been on have had managers who flat out don't care about technical debt and think they can default on it which reinforces the problems with the sunk cost fallacy down the road.

    1. Re:Sunk cost fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... not shaping up into anything they can use ...

      It's not so much 'sunken cost' as spending one's way into an answer. When there are clearly-defined outputs and processes, it's easy to declare an answer as viable or vapourware. When the goal is 'believing the dream', the nightmare of failure must be forgotten.

      ... think they can default on it ...

      Yes, at some point, the managers have to know the limits of the technology and processes. Corporations are stuck in a no-win situation: If they promote a technical person, he can't manage people. (He didn't teach himself and most corporations will provide a promotion but, stupidly, not job-training.) If they transfer a manager, he may not know the limits of his department.

    2. Re:Sunk cost fallacy by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      Time and again, it's the sunk cost fallacy. A system that an organization might have spent a few million dollars to build is just not shaping up into anything they can use, but they keep at it rather than ditching it and seeing what they can do to change things.

      I'll second that. I have worked on a project where literally everyone knew that we were not going to deliver. We had bought a package that did not do what we wanted - not even close. Within the first week of the project we were saying "get something else, this was a purchasing mistake, or let us develop something". After a meeting with the manager and supplier, it was agreed that the supplier would customise the package - which was a surprise as this was almost to the extent of customising a toaster into a dishwasher.

      After a month it became clear that the company could not possibly do this. They were incompetent to a degree which beggars belief. just to give an example we had a requirement to terminate a machine name (used for auditing) at 25 characters or the first "dot" character, and we were told that "this is not possible in Java"!. At that time I had a chat with someone I knew who was an ex-employee of the company, and he told me that the company had not developed the product but purchased a startup, then giving the employees the option of being made redundant or moving from one side of the USA to the other. They lost all the development staff and at the time this guy worked for them nobody understood the product.

      You would think it would end there, but no. Having reported to the PMs that this package was not fit for purpose and could not change a project was set up to custom-write the required functionality in our core system and transfer data, keeping it synchronised. I pointed out that this was more work than writing the whole lot and would be less reliable than a rewrite (one source of truth rather than two databases to synchronise), and much more supportable. I was told that it was "very political" because the CEO had recommended this package so we had to get it working.

      The original estimate of the time to implement the package was six months. Two years later it was clear that we were getting nowhere. The APIs of the package did not work as described, and the database format description was incomplete - often after loading data as described we would get strange errors. Sometimes integrity constraints would tell us that we couldn't load the data. The supplier would sometimes say "Oh you need to change that too", but more worryingly they'd often say "drop that constraint, we don't think it matters in your case". We pointed out that the more we did the more issues we discovered, we seemed to constantly have an estimate of three to six months work to do. At that time a company magazine came out saying how well the project was going!

      After another six months we were still getting nowhere. We were finding so many "random" issues with the package after all the dropped constraints and imported data that we became more worried that the project might go live than that we would never complete it. On several occasions the only solution to issues we were given was "restore to last week, something went wrong with the data since then".One of the project managers resigned and evidently broke ranks with the others and told the CEO that we had lost control of this project and it would probably never be complete and if it did it would probably fail and lead to permanent data loss.

      The company went into face-saving mode. The project was "put on hold, while a custom package would be developed for now" due to "unforeseen circumstances". Speaking to long-timers at the company there are two other projects that had been "put on hold" in this way, and it was common knowledge that the custom package would turn out to be the long term solution.

  33. Cloud computing ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... it was actually just RDP to a remote server.

    At the first management/vendor meeting, I got to ask the first question: "How will response time compare to what we have now, with our servers in-house?"

    "Oh, it will be much faster!"

    It got worse from there.

    I asked the owner if he knew that light slowed down in a medium and he said he did.

    We already used RDP to the desktop and he KNEW about the latency.

    Management ignored the red flags I threw on the play and put everything on the cloud against my recommendation.

    We were a law firm and a time came when an elderly couple traveled from far away to sign some wills and the goddam cloud was down.

    The family law practitioner blew her fucking top and confronted me and told me to implement Plan B.

    I told her, "Ma'am, Plan B is Plan A."

    It cost a fortune, but they paid termination fees and put everything back the way I had it before they went nuts.

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    1. Re:Cloud computing ... by coofercat · · Score: 1

      I had a similar thing ("boss knows best") on a smaller scale. I was the IT guy for a 40 person company which had been buying IBM Thinkpads since day 1. $manager asked if we could buy some Sony Vaios (there was a little clutch-bag sized one, which he liked the look of). I told him we'd struggle to support them and that the thinkpads weren't the sexiest, but were super tough and were holding up really well (as most people travelled about).

      I think I was out of the office, but $manager asked my a-little-bit-junor-to-me colleague to order 3 of the Vaios. They turned up and after the "oh wow, it's really small and cute" cooing was over, we realised they were a nightmare to look after - we couldn't image them properly, all of the drivers were Sony-specific and generics didn't come from Microsoft, and so it went on. Constant pain in the arse from two of them, although $manager never really asked for anything - I guess he just struggled through whatever problems he had. Curiously, even though he had the smallest laptop in the company, he had the biggest computer bag - it was massive - probably full of dongles for every possible peripheral because the Vaio had none of it built in.

      Lots of people left, and we got 2 of the Vaois back again - by now, no one even asked for them. $manager got moved around a couple of times, and never had the nerve to ask for a Thinkpad. He eventually took a step down, so got a Thinkpad for the few months until he left. The 3 Vaios got sold off on an employee 'buy a laptop' raffle we had to get rid of our old gear.

    2. Re: Cloud computing ... by Brockmire · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wuh? Your red flags was saying latency will go up, but in the end, it was availability that was the issue? One time issue and you pull the plug? You fucked up in multiple ways. Asking about speed of light? Wtf? Try using real world scenarios so that management can make informed decisions. How this wasn't anticipated by you and your boss is mind blowing.

    3. Re: Cloud computing ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Troll

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    4. Re: Cloud computing ... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      So, no clarification as to what I understood was wrong? Did I misread what you said? Like maybe your reply could have went like, "No, I just left out details, I definitely told them there'd be unforeseen random downtime due to various reasons and everyone in the office will be standing around doing nothing and we're at the mercy of the cloud service's support people to get us back up". My old CEO was a cheap fuck, but he understood that things go down and business needs to continue and spent money as needed on redundant systems, UPS power, backup generators, Air Conditioning, etc. Generally, a day of downtime can erode all cost savings of switching backend servers or pay for the redundancy requirements to improve on site failures. I suppose I should appreciate the way he'd step in when shit went down to ensure the resources were there to help IT get sales, support and shipping up and running again. And when crisis is over, there's a meeting to put in place things to prevent that emergency, or to help reduce downtime if it's inevitable to happen again (ie, power outages, flood warnings, etc). You took my reply as an insult, but based on my understanding from your post, it wasn't clear your non-technical boss was fully informed of the consequences of the decision (my nearest Seattle datacenter is 12ms round trip and that's fuck all, so I'm like 'yeah so what's your point?'). You may feel you really did inform the boss with left out details from your post. Only you can say. In the Neighbors 2 movie, the real estate agent is asking them if they know what "escrow" means because she said it a bunch of times and they nod their heads like they understand, but shit happens and they never understood what escrow actually meant and hilarity ensues. If the real estate agent spelled it out clearly, there'd be no movie, just like you might have avoided this debacle in the first place. p.s. I apologize if this gets posted as a wall of text, it appears with white space and paragraphs when I submit it.

  34. Don't be like Equifax by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Don't be like Equifax. Don't hire a music major to be your CSO. Hire a cyber security major with 20 years of relevant experience. Someone whose knowledge is evident from years of posts about security you can see on your favorite tech site.

    Btw, I'm a cyber security major with 20 years of security experience.

    1. Re:Don't be like Equifax by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't hire a music major to be your CSO.

      The best CIO I've met was a music major, he even played in a symphonic orchestra for a while. He got started in IT because he wanted to design his own DSP.

      Some people are a lot more than their diploma.

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    2. Re:Don't be like Equifax by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Some people are a lot more than their diploma.

      Indeed. But CIO != CSO. While a CIO is more a manager than a technician, the CSO job is much more specific and demands strong and targeted technical skills.

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    3. Re:Don't be like Equifax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No role starting with a C demands any skills beyond salesmanship.

    4. Re:Don't be like Equifax by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      And there is no reason a person cannot acquire those skills outside an undergraduate degree program.

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    5. Re:Don't be like Equifax by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Chef? Car mechanic? Caregiver?

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    6. Re:Don't be like Equifax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The percentage of cyber security folks who either don't have degrees or don't have degrees in security is quite high. (I've been in the industry for 19 years, and can count on one hand the # of folks I've worked with who had security degrees.) Are all of them unqualified also, or are you just a special little snowflake?

    7. Re:Don't be like Equifax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find more people to be less than their diploma and because of those statistics I'd chose differently when lacking time or resources for a deep and thorough study in what could be 'the einstein' we all missed :).

  35. Switching to Windows Server by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We were on Linux for our file server for a decade and ended up needing to switch to Windows. We were tired of not having a good consultant and Windows consultants were easy to find.

    The mistake incidentally was not in switching to Windows per se; it can easily do the added tasks we need of it and Linux could not. The mistake was in thinking the issue was in finding good Linux consultants-- the issue was simply in finding good consultants period.

    1. Re:Switching to Windows Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck you need consultants for a file server??

      Your problem was your IT people.

    2. Re: Switching to Windows Server by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Small companies can't afford dedicated IT. The entire consulting last year for a 10 person office was sub $1000 for some PC upgrades and server backup and update maintenance. They were paying a local computer company about that per month.

    3. Re:Switching to Windows Server by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      We are about 35 people, and I am/was the business owner and IT support, which is a very stupid arrangement; I have another engineer helping out with desktop issues in his "spare time", which we wanted to cut back. With Linux we spent about $10k per year on consultants, upkeep, and upgrades. Now we are at $40k for a consultant, and the engineer helping out seems to be stuck putting in more time.

      If I could hire someone reasonably capable (but still learning), I would be at $70k direct salary minimum, so about $120k total. With a direct hire, I don't have any contingency if the person quits or is hit by a bus; a consultant offers me that benefit. A consultant also gives us a little peace of mind that when something bad does happen they can address it efficiently and effectively... rather than trial and error.

      The problem is that it is essentially a "protection racket".

    4. Re: Switching to Windows Server by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I do this kind of work on the side. I'm astounded by what some companies are paying people.

  36. WWW.FUCKEDCOMPANY.COM by bigdady92 · · Score: 2

    There ya go, enough content for several years worth. May have to go through the wayback machine to find it but there is a litany of stories that still resonate to this day.

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  37. No manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Letting the manager retire and not replacing them for months. Headless is not a good look.

  38. Giving Universities' Open Source IP to Kuali.co by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So hot for $Billions of University Market share, they destroyed why Universities shared.

  39. Biggest IT management mistake? Easy. by hey! · · Score: 2

    Going into IT management.

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  40. Canada's Public Service Pay System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look up the Phoenix Pay System. Currently half a million open pay problems, with no resolution in sight. No testing in advance; no fallback in case of problems; and a management culture of hiding problems.

    1. Re:Canada's Public Service Pay System by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Too many Miltons. The Bobs 'fixed' the problem.

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  41. Never Consider the Enduser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT managers should never consider the enduser, i.e., the company's employees, in their decisions. Perhaps its absence on the list indicates that's obvious.

  42. Selecting Hardware before software by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

    I've seen many hardware projects run into trouble because the selected hardware platform is too small for the software. The temptation is huge to start the hardware project early. However, if you don't know how fast the software is, how do you know if the hardware will be fast enough?

    If the software is larger than the initial estimate (it usually is), and the hardware started too soon, then the hardware needs to be redesigned (often with software changes) and this is expensive.

  43. Keeping jerk managers by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Not firing, correcting, or demoting idiot managers is a big problem. Some managers are excellent kiss-ups, but treat their employees like dirt. Get feedback from their underlings, and if you see problems, do something about it. Sometimes with pressure from above they'll mostly correct bad habits, but if they don't, bootem!

  44. Re:Tales from the Help Desk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could be worse. I worked at a place where there were random cert audits, and the auditor would check your cert ID. If you were not current with your MCSE, you were fired on the spot for "failure to maintain adequate training."

  45. For all my Sun peeps... by Roskolnikov · · Score: 1

    IBIS.

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    1. Re:For all my Sun peeps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG!!!! I worked at Sun during that 25+ million dollar fiasco as well. A grossly over engineered environment. The back end database was a 4 node Oracle RAC cluster running on SF25Ks, Sun Cluster and QFS. Talk about complexity overkill.

    2. Re:For all my Sun peeps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! The first nasty taste of the Oracle that would eventually swallow Sun whole. The most important thing we learned in the IBIS "training" was control-S.
      Sun thought it could implement an Oracle solution "out of the box" using the technicians in house. It was a disaster.

  46. Decrypting all account passwords on the network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then read everybody's email and when employees secretly back-stab each other, you send their email to the others resulting in massive infighting and instant implosion of the company..

  47. Ink jet printer purchase by buss_error · · Score: 1

    A place I worked bought thousands of ink jet printers.
    Mistake #1. Not getting a supplies contract
    Mistake #2. They were a name brand printer will known for clogging cartridges and breaking. (I don't want to get sued so no, I'm not naming names.)
    Mistake #3. Bought a long term support contract and paid for it in advance.

    Result - they rented warehouse space to store the printers until the warranty ran out multiple years later.

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    1. Re: Ink jet printer purchase by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Mistake #4: they didn't sell them.

  48. Failure To Make A Decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our CIO decided 10 months ago that putting resources in AWS was not the best way forward. He then commissioned a review and cost analysis of of our AWS resources and a parallel study of what they would cost in Azure. He then decided we would double down on our on data center. Then he chose Azure. Then our data center. Now.... who knows, but we're losing customers and continuing layoffs while he fucks off and seeks out that silver bullet for his resume.

  49. thinking testing and UI are easier by bcboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a widespread belief in IT that test code and UI are easier than other coding tasks.

    It's completely false. Both are harder than other coding tasks. Your senior devs tell you to assign these projects to junior devs because they don't want to do them. They don't want to do them because they're much harder than other coding tasks.

    It's win-win for the senior devs: they get easier work, and when the junior devs struggle, it makes the senior devs look even better. "oh, man, they can't even write a test suite. Well, I guess I should get the big bonus this year."

    Put your best devs on test and UI. Put your junior devs on the simple stuff: backend work.

    1. Re:thinking testing and UI are easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO good testers must not think like developers. Rather they should think more like users with a healthy dose of paranoia and an understanding that developers are silly creatures. Former QA here, can you tell?

      BTW, a good QA should have the approach that their task is to help the developers succeed, not to blame or disparage them.

    2. Re:thinking testing and UI are easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, I wonder whether you personally do backend work, or frontend/test.

    3. Re:thinking testing and UI are easier by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      At least he's not a game dev: Telling us game devs are to regular devs as surgeons are to regular doctors. That guy was funny.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:thinking testing and UI are easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While there is some truth to this, it is evident you must be one of those more junior devs? I say this because you've completely waxed over the actual reason this is done - risk. If you mess up a test or UI issue it is far less likely to cause widespread damage than if you mess up a backend system. In reality the best devs should do everything, as they've got the most experience with failure, but they don't have that kind of time so you get the drudge work with the least risk if you fuck it up. Deal with it.

    5. Re:thinking testing and UI are easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Designing a good UI is hard, but implementing it is generally easy.

      Separating testing and writing code is a mistake. Writing tests is easy if the code is written with testability in mind. If its not then even the best devs will suffer to write meaningful tests. You need to have your devs do both so that they get a correct mindset when writing the code (they suffer from their own mistakes). Also the tests shouldn't really be written by only one person (especially if its the same person that implemented the tested code) - you usually need more viewpoints to really find all the edge cases that require testing.

  50. Where do I start, since I work in an IT company ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) remove OWA and replace it with Citrix. Stupidly slow.
    2) stop providing laptops or desktops to developers, because cost cutting
    3) refuse to build better internal applications like time sheet. Cost cutting
    4) think home grown solutions are better than established software and force them on staff
    5) not understanding client requirements and then expecting on schedule delivery.

  51. It's a flat out tie... by Euroranger · · Score: 1

    ...between non-IT people making strategic IT decisions AND coming into budgeting discussions with the "they can do it cheaper in India" comeback to everything. Many times those two converge. I worked in an IT shop during the dot com bubble bursting and the guy that ran the IT division was a salesman. 2.5 years of idiocy that I have enough source material inspiration to write at least 10 seasons of a sitcom. No word of a lie...not a single thing that idiot every did was right. I was the lead dev of that careening ship of fools and eventually got fired because I made one too many comments when I pointed out at an "all hands on deck meeting" that not one of the past 12 sentences that exited his mouth failed to contain a buzzword or some other insipid stupidity as opposed to speaking to the rest of us like competent adults. But that lead me to doing mostly contract work since then and I make most of my money from firms that are re-onshoring their previously offshored application development/maintenance. Whenever I'm approached by someone as to my availability I ask fairly quickly if the application they're asking me to take on is or was ever based offshore. If they concede that it was, I automagically tack on $15-$20/hr additional if for no other reason than to afford the inevitable increase in my aspirin and antacid budgets...and to possibly teach them a lesson.

  52. Organizational problems by nine-times · · Score: 2

    It's not the biggest problem, but it's one that I've seen a lot and isn't often recognized: Trying to fix organizational problems with IT systems.

    What I mean is, if people aren't doing their jobs because management won't enforce the rules, you can't fix that by putting in an automated system that notifies people that they aren't doing their jobs. If people don't know how to do the job because they're dumb and untrained, you can't just give them a sign-in to online training courses and expect them to catch up.

    Things like management and training take effort and attention, and until AI gets clever enough to make managers obsolete, an automated system isn't going to do it.

    1. Re:Organizational problems by maiden_taiwan · · Score: 1

      Bravo! True wisdom.

    2. Re:Organizational problems by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Worth repeating.

      If your staff doesn't follow your business rules, your business rules are not enforced, or your business rules are applied inconsistently, then having any sort of automated system not only is pretty difficult, but it isn't going to fix your problem.
      Typically in those situations you have to make the system so flexible so as to be able to handle all the inconsistent business rules, however that also means you letting loose the four horsemen of the user apocalypse on your data.
      Further complicated when the folks who are responsible for creating and/or enforcing said business rules don't or can't fix them for a verity reasons.

      I wouldn't call it the biggest mistake, as this is more of an ongoing thing that just makes things difficult and unwieldy, not necessarily a corporate killer if you will as plenty of organizations limp along as they go.

      Soooo

      I'd say the biggest management mistake I've ever seen (and yes, I came out and honestly said my piece, but was ignored of course) is that of integration. Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against integration, in fact I love integration. However this was about management saving money. While it might save money over the long term, also adding a massive amount of complexity isn't really going to help your short term costs.

      So our organization had about 30 custom applications many of which could fall into the legacy category (i.e. ancient and held together with duct tape and bailing twine). I manage a handful of them. I've been trying to replace some of them for about 15 years or so... However generally speaking how this would go, is we would propose replacement, give a figure, which would be rejected, we'd come up with a different plan for less, propose that, and get rejected. Typically it would be a couple million dollars, and we'd be able to get it under a million using some COTS rather than a full custom application. Keep in mind each of these applications cost many millions of 25+ years ago dollars when they were first built. At any rate bottom line that is what happened, and we were told we can't afford to spend 30 million dollars replacing 30 applications (never mind we were only proposing the replacement of a couple).

      Anyway someone sold the management on building a "super system" (which in of itself should have been a red flag to people), whereby rather than replacing 30 individual systems, create one "super" system that does everything (though they later said 80% was acceptable) that the 30 previously did. Now some of the systems were pretty similar, and did similar things (abet with some different specific business rules), and there was certainly some benefits to being able to leverage the data in the other systems which currently didn't really talk to each other very much, so on the surface it made sense, and I would agree had many benefits. Management was also sold on the fact that it was to be a fraction of the cost because it would be able to leverage common components, re-use code, and additionally over time development costs would go down as you could do shared development work across the system.

      That last part is the piece I didn't quite agree with. I tried to say, that yes there would be those benefits, however there would also be adding a huge amount of complexity. Having shared resources is great for example, however they also have to be managed properly and that all takes overhead. I went so far as to say all they are going to end up doing is rather than spending 30 million on 30 individual applications, they are just going to end up spending 30 million on one application. There would be benefits to doing so, but a cost savings (at least in terms of development) isn't going to really be one of them (maintenance is another matter). However they were sold on the idea, were not going to listen to someone who while had a lot of experience with the business and the applications, wasn't exactly senior IT management.

      Anyway they started building the system, and decided to begin small and sim

  53. BYTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Management by glossy adds.

  54. IT manager meddles in backups; poo storm ensues by BunniculaSuck · · Score: 1
    We had an "IT executive" panic one weekend ...

    "Storage team" was moving from Vendor N to Vendor E. Lots of files on Vendor N arrays. Users made heavy use of WIndows/Unix cross links. Storage "wizards" were completely unaware; did almost no due diligence.

    Move starts on a holiday weekend before major customer release was due. Wizards unaware that users were changing files. Wizards do their backup from N and restore to E, place E in service. Engineering goes nuts, nothing will build, can't find their files (links broken). Wizards throw up their hands, saying "we didn't break anything".

    Of course, what was backed up was old by now. "IT executive" (BTW, didn't even finish his business degree, much less any technical degree) decrees: "PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS". OK, great, now the builds (sort of) work but changes made on Saturday and Sunday were lost, so what is built is not up to date. "Executive" and "wizards" throw up their hands again, saying "this is application specific data, we don't know how to fix it".

    Actually, it's just Unix files, so if they had been inclined to help, they could have. However, they were not. Phone call to my boss on Sunday night, explaining only as much as needed to indicate the "wizards" were basically throwing this in the user's lap.

    Cue me and two other guys picking through the changes and restoring consistency to the files, based on priority needed to make customer delivery. We wrote a bunch of scripts to figure out the mess laid on us by "storage wizards" (who kept saying "we don't write scripts, we maintain your storage"). These guys were completely incapable of sorting through their own mess.

    The mess was a mass of directories and two partial "backups" (each directory) which were inconsistent from what the "wizards" said they did. They couldn't tell the same story twice in a row, and had no timeline of what happened when.

    They screwed up routine backups for at least 3 years until someone challenged them to test them, then they stalled for 2 more years fixing the problem. The switch from N to E was supposed to be completed in one year; it took two because E didn't have the link feature that users had exploited in the N product. This was supposed to save the company tens of thousands of dollars. Rather, they ran BOTH the N and E equipment for a whole year while "wizards" had to learn how to make E equipment do what N was doing before.

    Executive and "storage wizards" keep their jobs for years following.

  55. Chasing Buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We Have to be in the cloud" (although we have limited reason to scale up/down)
    "We Have to run docker/containers" (although we no more than 2 or 3 of any one item, and not a single dev knows how to properly package anything)
    "We Have to have DevOps" (no, this doesn't mean hiring yet another team to put in between your devs and ops people -- it means the exact opposite)
    "We're agile" (no, this doesn't mean it's OK to ship crappy code)

    Stop chasing buzzwords, and just do your job

    1. Re:Chasing Buzzwords by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Every time a manager says that he plans to switch to agile development, it usually means that he thinks he finally found a way to not have to know what to do and can change the specs on a whim and you have to be agile enough to contort yourself into the mess.

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  56. Moving Infrastructure to 'The Cloud' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great in theory - absolute shitfight in practice.

    nothing like having to wait on vendors to fix something for a couple of weeks for something you can fix yourself in 15 minutes.

  57. Practice restoring from backups by brausch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Make sure you actually can restore. Do it regularly. Restore to different hardware. If using tape, restore using different tape drives. Make testing restores a routine thing. When I was a boss, we did daily backups onto tape and same day read the tapes at the offsite recovery site (about 30 miles away).

    During my career, I've seen two restore failures where they'd been backing up for years but the backups were no good and they had no idea.

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    1. Re:Practice restoring from backups by zeugma-amp · · Score: 1

      If using tape, restore using different tape drives.

      This. Is. Important. Granted, a lot, if not most stuff is disk-to-disk these days, but if you are using tape for anything, understand that most modern drives are probably going to be a variation of a helical scan, similar to old videotapes. The heads can be out of alignment, and you do not know about it, because the drive that wrote the tape has no problem reading the tape. On the other hand, a different drive with proper head alignment may very well not read it at all, or do so with uncorrectable errors.

      Have personally experienced this, though it was many years ago. Thank God for network backups.

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  58. SharePoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....

  59. Biggest management mistake? by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

    Doing business with Oracle.

    And Microsoft.

  60. Two words by Tux2000 · · Score: 1
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  61. Re:Data Center Storage Durability by AxeTheMax · · Score: 1

    I once tried to ride a cheap bicycle without considering the gyroscopic forces of two bike wheels spinning at road speed.

    The wheels came off, and I've learned my lesson.

  62. phoenix pay system - Canadian federal employee pay by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    I don't want to say politicians are stupid. Most of them are very hard working and smart. However they are used to giving instructions to some one else to give some one else to implement. This means when the time comes to implement something and the poor guy doing the job discovers the rules are contradictory he can't push back. The contradictory rules are literally the law.

    In Canada the federal government negotiates a pay contract with various unions to come up with the rules for how employees are payed. They don't however negotiate a new contract, they negotiate changes to the existing contract. So they add extra rules, and then the government add more rules, and then yet again more rules are added to conform to labour laws for maternity and overtime etc. So after 150 years we ended up with something that was a total mess and humans basically made judgement calls as to which rules seemed the most relevant to an individual employees case. A few years ago the Canadian government decided to have one automated system handle all of their payrole. It was called the Phoenix pay system. They also got rid of the humans making the decisions before Phoenix was ready and rolled out. It has easily been the biggest IT failure in Canadian history and will take years and hundreds of millions to solve.

    There are 300,000 Canadian federal employees. If at the end of the day it cost one billion dollars to design a pay system, that would be over $3000 per employee. I think it's safe to say if it costs you $3000 to figure out how to pay each employee your pay system is way way to complicated.

  63. Outsourcing desktop with high change fees by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    A company that I worked for outsourced the desktop to a company with low support/maintenance fees but high charges for changes or deployment of new software. This was done by a new IT manager without consultation of all departments, seemingly based on "My desktop changes a couple of times a year". Many teams needed regular updates, for example a web testing team upgraded several browsers monthly, developers had to apply security patches to local web servers to match production, etc. At the end of a year an analysis shown that the company was paying three times as much, with the turnaround time for changes and issues going from three days to ten days.

  64. Re-orgssolutely no reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time there is a new vice president, the department code changes and everything gets reorganized for no reason other biggest than to show that things are different under the new VP.

    So, the IT management mistake is... management?

  65. Nokia by kleinmukka · · Score: 1

    I think Nokia hiring the Microsoft guy from the US was a serious mistake for the company that was transformed from a lagging market leader into a patent troll.

    1. Re:Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually worked out well for Nokia, which got Microsoft to buy their failing handset business (which went on to turn into a Patent Troll) while their viable backend business is thriving. Heck, they bought Alcatel last year and presently own Bell Labs as a result.

      It was a bit of a disaster for the handset business, which was already headed downward.

  66. Buying microshaft products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buying microshaft products easily the biggest mistakes in all IT departments I have seen.
    The fix for all ills was Linux. So why not start with Linux in the first place?
    The biggest companies in the world all use Linux.
    Whether its in China, NASDAQ, google, Amazon, Netflix, Oracle, AI, etc

    1. Re:Buying microshaft products by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      Buying microshaft products easily the biggest mistakes in all IT departments I have seen.

      And almost always a managerial decision. Especially if you look back far enough.

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  67. SAP - Send Another Payment by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    'Nuff said

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  68. Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Biggest IT Management Mistakes?

    By believing that people in IT are engineers, especially ones that work at an engineering company. Their role is to support and to get things working behind the scenes, rather than being the star of the show.

    Just because you work with computer equipment and infrastructure doesn't make you a technical genius.

  69. The funnietst by Gonoff · · Score: 2

    It didn't cause serious company problems but the funnietst management mistake I have seen was...

    Manager buys demo copy of some "amazing" speech recognition package with a view to selling to cusomers.

    Manager: Set it all up.
    Me : I can install it but you will need to set up your voice on it.
    Manager: No! You set it up and do that tecchie stuff.
    Observation, manager has a strong southern English accent. I have a slight Scottish one.

    When he started to use the system expecting me, it made out less than 75% of what he said. I ended up assisting with that successful sale. The manager then spent the time needed talking to the system and it worked for him as I predicted.

    Apparently, the customer thought it was quite funny too.

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  70. Not listening to users by houghi · · Score: 1

    Seen this several times. A new software and/or hardware solution for some reason. Then just implementing it without asking users.

    So much easier if you ask users. They will explain how it will be used, saving a lot of time later as well as moaning. On a more important level.these key users will sell it to the rest as it is "their" project.. thus less moaning.

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    1. Re:Not listening to users by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      That seems obvious, but unfortunately it's not the best way to go about it.

      Users tend to want exactly what they have (no retraining, familiarity = comfort) and will have you customize any replacement solution until it repeats all the flaws of the system it's replacing. You will also find the loudest user gets heard most frequently, but they're probably NOT the most informed or insightful user.

      You need multiple groups contributing - you need someone who understands the business process pointing out where improvements are indicated, you need vendors telling you how customizable their solution is, you need a techie telling you what's possible to do within the vendor's limitations, you need management telling you what they want, and THEN you need the users' input - first through expert users advising the business process person, and then finally with their unfiltered suggestions (most of which you will have to dismiss as impractical).

      And you may have to go through that cycle a few times before you have a clear path to work with, since each group's input may influence what the other groups have to say.

    2. Re:Not listening to users by houghi · · Score: 1

      Listening does not mean "do what they want". Obviously you should get some keyusers (expert users) provide input.

      I never said it would be easy. You need to include all from the start. Even perhaps finding the right vendor.Just understanding how often some things are needed will change how you do things and the manager has no fucking clue about how the people work in detail, nor is that his job to know.

      Yes, it will need time and working with other humans. I have done it. It is not that bad and the result is so much better than to just ask for a list of things people want and then do the best you can.

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  71. Re:Where do I start, since I work in an IT company by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Home grown solutions can often be better than established software, but only if properly planned...

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  72. Treating mission critical IT as a cost center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your company relies on IT, don't cut your IT staff to save money. No good will come of it.

    Just ask Autonation USA, you know the used car company that was going to do for used cars what Blockbuster did for video rental. Their business model revolved around touch screen kiosks that customers could come in and use without being bothered by sales people. The kiosks were always having problems after updates and patching and each store had an IT person. To save money, management started laying off IT people. Eventually, it was just me to cover four states and they wanted me to drive my own vehicle, pay for my own hotel rooms and foo, etc.. and apply for reimbursement. When I asked if I was going to get a promotion and/or raise, I was told no. I quit a week later.

  73. Scrum, definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Implementing Scrum or any other short-term based development pipelines where one is not allowed to think more than a few weeks ahead.

  74. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agile(tm)

    Nuff said.

  75. Oh I've got one by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    We had a VP who we called a sea gull manager as in he'd fly in, shit all over everything and fly out.

    One day I get an email from Rackspace saying they were going to shut us off. I forwarded it to the VP and the Controller, then tried to call the VP. When I finally got through he told me he was in meetings and couldn't handle it. So I went and visited the CFO and Controller - I told them that not expediting payment would be a business ending move. The CEO heard it too.

    Few weeks later all of I.T. and Development are called into a meeting - telling us the VP of I.T. was being let go. Oops.

    1. Re:Oh I've got one by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I think "sea gull manager" is my new favorite term.

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  76. off shoring. Simple as that by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Once you offshore, you no longer have control. MOre importantly,the other ppl will figure out that they can compete directly against you in the same way that China's manufacturers compete against the idiots that are dumb enough to go there.

    I would put security as number 2. BUT again, few are noticing that all of the companies being cracked by the russians have outsourced esp the production admin portion.

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  77. Power connection in a Bank by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    I was once involved in second and third level support in a data center in a bank.
    Due to a huge conctruction project, there was fears a digger would cut the power.

    So they made a test, cutting off the primary power connection, to see if the secondary (and after that the emergency power) would take over.

    Well, off the servers went. Turned out the secondary power was never connected, neither was the emergency power.

    However they had a second data center ... which took over.

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    1. Re:Power connection in a Bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had a similar situation at a former employer. They had paid a vendor to install a backup power system involving banks of batteries, a diesel electric generator, and a room dedicated to handling all of the power monitoring/transferring equipment. There was also an ongoing issue with an over spec'd air conditioning system that was creating too high of an air pressure in the server room (A/C was designed to handle the entire building but was being pumped into a room about 1/6th of the total building size.) During a record hot summer the power went out (nothing like a good 'ol California rolling blackout), as soon as that happened everything shut off.

      The backup power system had been tested multiple times as a part of the maintenance contract but they only tested the ability of the expensive power management system to handle switching between mains/batteries/generator for itself but had never done a test that involved the full load of the servers. Turns out the vendor never connected the batteries to one another. The one battery that was connected had enough power to run the power handling system long enough for the generator to kick in. On the day when power went out the power system tried to switch over to batteries and everything shutoff when it detected there was too high of a load for it to handle. A few minutes later the diesel generator reached its target operation level and the power system switched over to it causing *EVERYTHING* to instantly power back on (that was an IT problem for not load balancing server startups in such situations) Between all the servers AND the A/C system turning back on it overloaded the power system taking everything back down for almost the rest of the day until the vendor came out and fixed their mistake. The server admins also developed a plan for bringing servers back up spread out over time from one another.

      The A/C issue was fun itself. Their was so much air pressure in the server room that it was blowing screws that held trim on the hollow core metal doors out and required too much strength for any of the women in the department to open the door themselves (the door opened into the server room.) The pressure would then increase in the cubicle area which would eventually cause the outside doors to push open or fly in people's faces the moment they tried to open a door. Stayed nice and chilly though. They eventually cut a hole in the wall to let pressure bleed over into the empty portion of the building and level itself out. The A/C vendor had some fix they could do but the company was run by tight*s$es that refused to pay for any proper fixes.

  78. Re:phoenix pay system - Canadian federal employee by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see if they could use an alternative.

  79. My experience over x decades, blah, blah, blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lack of metrics, not asking 1st and 2nd level techs for their opinion on a project/upgrade that is rolling out to the masses, and localized spreading of infectious projects.

    Without metrics you will never know when the people that work for you are struggling short of asking them directly, chances are they won't voluntarily tell you out of fear for losing their job. When you can identify an issue it is easier to resolve.

    1st and 2nd level techs are the ones that see everything wrong with the way the IT department is being run since they have to deal with the fallout from poorly planned projects every single day of their lives. As an example, a manager decided to upgrade a VPN server that required a client update and expected remote users to be able to follow instructions on how to do so by emailing them the instructions and placing the installer on a company server. They not only could not access the client to download it but the majority could not access their email. Compounding the problem were the usual spate of password expirations. All problems the remote support technician knew were going to happen and advised were going to happen as soon as the email blast had gone out. Had the manager asked for feedback regarding the rollout the issue would have been avoided saving an entire day lost to getting the remote staff back online. (I was a 3rd line tech at the time lending my assistance.)

    What I refer to "localized spreading of infectious projects" is the habit of managers to walk through a cubicle farm and dump projects off on the first person they see sitting at a desk. There is an assumption made by management that if a person is sitting at their desk and not actively on the phone, face down in a heap of PC, or out dealing with systems then they clearly must not have anything to do. When in fact, the person was waiting for an imminent phone call from a VP needing urgent assistance, or just spent an hour and a half bashing their head into the wall trying to resolve some crazy edge case bug and is taking a few minutes to regain their sanity. Never mind that said person does 2.5 times the workload of everyone else already, dump the project off on them because they are at their desk. Uggh. It's for that reason I spend as much time as possible away from the desk to avoid that crap.

  80. Many Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giving people without proper skills, ability experience or similar too much responsibility. Just about every other huge mistake spawns from this. I've seen one case a junior, practically a kid, with no knack for the technical, barely any skill, capability, etc but with attitude problems and over confidence to boot given sole responsibility for an office with well over a hundred people doing heavy/varied highly computer dependent web focused work and with significant IT needs. The results were catastrophic. Another time for a growing development team in another company someone with barely a year and a half commercial web development work was hired instantly into a senior position yet lacked the knack, skill, experience, etc. Again, catastrophic results. Measuring skill and aptitude in IT is incredibly difficult. People don't quite appreciate this.

    It's worth noting this doesn't always fail. When people who are way in over their head realise it they tend to do fairly well. Sometimes, humility can matter more than technical skill. Unfortunately a lack of that is what contributes to people being put in way too deep. Combine incompetence with over-competence though and expect not only failure but drama, fireworks, massive overspends, people quitting on the spot, sometimes even violence, etc.

    Other failures can be more subtle. Being inconsiderate is a common one. New people coming in and not realising the difference between things being genuinely bad and simply bad for them because it's not what they did before and that worked for them. Alternatively putting the needs of IT first and not realising or considering what others are doing that IT is meant to be supporting. A company with just an IT department isn't a company. There's no such thing as an IT first company. It's a service it provides to itself to assist in whatever it's real business it. Even "IT companies" are just doing that for other companies.

    Another biggest mistake is not focusing on the basics. So many times have I seen people fixing everything with new technical tools when half the time problems originate from existing tools were never used properly and simply things such as keeping tidy, archiving things no longer needed, being organised, etc are completely overlooked.

  81. Re:phoenix pay system - Canadian federal employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's worse than that.

    The current project costs to FIX Phoenix are around $1B, that doesn't even include the implementation costs.

    The only thing that can be said in its favour is that it at least looks fixable, unlike the old system (which was notoriously unreliable, although still better than the current state of Phoenix)

  82. Outsourcing, without a doubt by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The most expensive, wasteful, credibility damaging, productivity reducing, and sheer chaos producing IT management mistake in my experience was the decision by a certain freight company to outsource IT. The two-letter outsourcing company, who will remain nameless, in sales presentations (which I attended) painted a rosy picture of a "right shore" solution with capable vendor-trained personnel in several call centers across the world, so that no matter what the local time, the call center would be on local daytime, which would help them draw the best talent for the job, etc etc. They were offering best-in-class for a fraction of the cost of in-house IT.

    Upper management, who honestly thought that the entire job of IT was to push a button whenever a light came on, bought it hook line and cancellation penalty. As is often the case, they shook their collective fingers at us and told us "you'd better document your job thoroughly before you leave". Devops, my department, maintained a fairly extensive knowledge base, so it was only a matter of printing out all of our written procedures and handing them over (with two hands, because it was a lot of paper)to management of the outsourcing vendor. And, they lost them. So we printed them out again and handed them over. And they lost the second batch too. I'm convinced that they never intended to keep them. (More on that below.)

    Our last day was Friday, which was also the cutover day. I had transferred to a department that was being retained, so got to stick around and see the carnage. It was fascinating in exactly the same way a high speed head-on collision between two passenger trains is fascinating. You're retching, but you can't look away.

    This was back when Blackberry was still a thing, and all the execs carried one. BES went down Saturday and remained down for two weeks. This was the sign to upper management that things were perhaps not going as swimmingly as advertised.

    The helpdesk was a shambles. You couldn't understand them, they didn't know what to do or whom to contact, and major incidents would just disappear in the system and never get addressed. Employees would come to those of us who survived the layoff and BEG us not to make them call the helpdesk.

    The outsourcing vendor shook their fingers at us and said that those damned former employees had not documented their jobs well enough. I had a (third) copy of our procedures, and the names of the managers I'd handed them to both other times, and argued that we had in fact made a good faith effort, just ask these people. Only to find out that those managers no longer worked for the company. Curious.

    The vendor said they could recover from our former IT employees' incompetence, but it'd Cost More Money. And that was the other shoe dropping.

    Some former IT personnel were rebadged, so occasionally stuff still got done. They worked long hours in very stressful situations. Most of them moved on as soon as the economy started to improve.

    Promises of a "right shore" solution were absolute fabrications. The entirety of IT, except for those few overworked rebadged employees, was a single call center in lower central India, manned by people apparently plucked off the street, sitting at card tables with IP phones.

    The company tried to improve response by sending a number of people over to India to train the personnel there, but ran into an interesting phenomena -- as soon as employees of the outsource service got training, they WENT ON TO BETTER PAYING JOBS. This training effort served to flush out the people with any experience, causing an influx of new people who couldn't find an "enter" key with a gun to their head.

    A major plumb for people who got a little experience was getting off night shift, which was our day shift. So as soon as we'd built a relationship with an admin and taught him to do valuable things, he'd brag about how he's finally getting off night shift, and we'd never hear from him again.

    Speaking of which, I don't think th

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  83. sumo satisfaction survey by epine · · Score: 1

    AND SO ALL OF THESE MULTINATIONALS are not happy? I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.

    At the very end, you couldn't resist flying your true shill colours. You don't even seem to grasp the basic distinction between B2B and B2C, or it's elementary corollary.

    M2M = level playing field

    M2B = ???

    M = multinational

    ??? = probably a lot of quiet sobbing in a private stall of the boy's bathroom, if the Molly Maguire–inspired multinational malefactor doesn't barge in there, too.

    I'm personally not making much hay out of your sumo satisfaction survey.

  84. sunk cost fallacy inflation by epine · · Score: 1

    Time and again, it's the sunk cost fallacy. A system that an organization might have spent a few million dollars to build is just not shaping up into anything they can use, but they keep at it rather than ditching it and seeing what they can do to change things.

    The collective human neural network uses a simplifying heuristic of only back-propagating blame when triggered by a large political step change.

    * the very first superhero story we teach young children is The Little Engine that Could
    * the very first horror story we teach young programmers is the fallacy of rewriting an annoying legacy system from scratch
    * the very first right-stuff story we teach young MBAs is Angela Duckworth's grit
    * the very first war story we teach young patriots is "remember the Alamo"

    If you had a single anthropological gene in your body, you might ask yourself why the Lore of Persistence calls shotgun every time.

    It's actually a fairly important and instructive life lesson to play out a losing hand. Because when your subconscious mind observes you stubbornly suffering through a losing hand, it goes "well, damn I better organize things to not go in that direction next time".

    If you're fickle enough to change your stripes at the first arithmetic breeze, there's a risk that your subconscious mind never fully internalizes consequence.

    But then again, if you strive to be 100% rational all of the time, the subconscious mind becomes just a bunch of baggage in the basement one can never properly boot.

  85. seen it everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not paying your staff enough to give 2 shits about their job

  86. Yes. IT is a cost center. Deal with it. by lucm · · Score: 1

    Get real. The same goes for facilities, accounting, etc.: companies need them, and they couldn't operate without them, but they're still cost centers, by definition. They do not generate revenue but they cost money, ergo they are cost centers. How hard can it be to understand.

    The fact that you provide a laptop and 5GB of email storage to the salesman who sells product to customers doesn't mean you're generating revenues. And you know what? It's a good thing. Because managers in cost centers only have to control costs. Managers in profit centers must control costs while turning a profit, it's a lot more frustrating. If you're pissed because they stopped providing free gatorade (to save money), you would go batshit crazy if you also had sales quotas. If your company has bonuses tied to the company overall performance you probably already blow a gasket when the bonus is lower because revenue went down.

    Here's a simple summary from our friend Wikipedia:

    The main function of a cost centre is the tracing of all expenses linked with a certain function.

    See, it doesn't say "a cost centre is a shameful thing that one must try to not be part of even if it means twisting the meaning of words". It's simply an accounting concept.

    People are really getting emotional and irrational over this, not sure why.

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    lucm, indeed.
  87. Weak. by lucm · · Score: 1

    You are saying he should not report the fraud his employer is committing. Is this some sort of "don't snitch" thing?

    First, nothing he described is "fraud", so there's no need for you to hyperventilate. Also he no longers work there, so it's not his employer. And finally, yes, snitching is for little bitches. We're not talking about whistleblowing on a ponzi scheme, this is petty and highly arbitrary.

    Grow the fuck up.

    It always makes me laugh when someone says or writes "grow the fuck up", because not only does it show a lack of self-awareness, it's also the kind of weak statements hysterical cunts makes when they run out of wild accusations. It has never worked in the history of arguments.

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    lucm, indeed.
  88. Firing your best manager? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hiring someone to fix an IT department that's a complete shambles, and firing them a year later because "things are working fine now, we no longer need her"

  89. Structural, not tecnical by h8sg8s · · Score: 1

    Biggest mistakes? Letting a CFO set technical direction based on 'intuition' and/or something he/she heard at the club or read online. God save us from tunnel visionaries.

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    Organization? You must be joking..
  90. Arrogance (a.k.a. lack of wisom and humility) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I’ve seen many specific examples, but since I forget the details and they all seem to have the same basic cause, let me focus on that: irrational hubris and narcissistic egomania.

    Whether it’s believing white papers and betting the farm on them, or following the latest platform/product fads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs), or the belief that you should only hire rockstars, Alphas, divas, etc., the smartest people in the world (a.k.a. techies) sure do some really irrational and illogical things.

    Maybe it has to do with only hiring young people, people who haven’t had time to even recognize their own mistakes, let alone accept them and learn from them. I think that smug arrogance is best exemplified by a quote from the Zuckerberg: “I want to stress the importance of being young and technical. Young people are just smarter.”

    Also, there’s the Dunning-Kruger effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect). Here’s a pro tip from an old fart that’s been around the block a few times: rarely is the person who claims to be the smartest, the smartest. If your HR practices rely on you only hiring people who talk the talk, you are fucked. Really good people often don’t look like it on the surface. They often don’t sing their own praises. They often aren’t even aware how exceptional they are.

  91. Backups, backups, backups by otchie1 · · Score: 1

    Management decided that copying client backup data to spinning disks was expensive so they just piled the disks in to a storage facility. They also decided that a proper disk tracking system was an unnecessary expense when there were so many cardboard boxes just laying around unused. After all who ever needs a files from a backup from last year? They also neglected to write sunset clauses in to the backup contracts so they get to keep all those degrading disks in storage for ever.

  92. Techies with titles by nessman · · Score: 0

    Hiring technically proficient, but socially inept, people into management positions.

  93. Workflow automation and reducing of human factor by katelynsk · · Score: 1

    Many errors are somehow related to time management and estimation. And especially if we are talking about large companies with a lot of projects and teams, then to consider and track the load of each of developers, the accuracy of estimates provided, possible risks may be really difficult whatever experienced and talented your manager is.

    Separately, we could talk about problems specific to a certain type of teams. For example, when managing remote workers, not everyone can organize the correct workflow and interaction of team members. In the best case, the collaboration of modern teams should be organized completely asynchronously and flexibly. That is not always followed in IT companies. This is just one of many examples. Many answers cover other cases. Hiring employees, weak teamwork, low awareness of the current work status, used methodologies, tools and so on.

    But anyway, most of the errors are related to the human factor. And most of them can be solved by maximum automation of the workflow, using the right tools, minimizing bureaucracy. Modern technologies make it possible to avoid many mistakes when properly used.