not really. You only have a handful of posters who are supporting the cops.
which are most likely the same people who support microsoft, the RIAA, and call Free software "open sores", and the government in other threads. Not everyone on slashdot supports Freedom, of any kind, or human rights of any kind at all
Just like only a small amount of protestors started violence, and the rest trying talking them down, most of slashdot aren't supporting the police, and the rest are actively talking them down.
read the entire thread, instead of responding to what you want to see.
thats not what was on the livestream btw. Most of them were not stealing TVs, most of them were not looting, by trying to stop the looting.
If you watch any of the videos, which you can find on youtube, you'll understand that the "riot" was far overblown, and it was more a protest, with a handful of people out of control, with the crowd desperately trying to get them in control.
The rest is pure hubris, lies, and most likely what a few racists want to be true, but otherwise unsupported by raw footage.
Commie bastards — anybody with a Che Guevara T-shirt or a red flag — deserves to be hung from a lamp post until their feet stop kicking.
no tell us how you really think. You are openly advocating the same political murder that you've accused others of doing.
The irony is not lost on me, and it
even Hitler's peculiar branch of Fascism being but a distant second
Not if you count apples to apples. People generally count 6 million dead jews in the concentration camps for hitler, and all deaths regardless under stalin to include those caused by incompetence, carelessness, and wars.
If you total those died in german camps in WW2, you get 15 million of all races, and not including another 3 million ethnic slavs that hitler purged on his march into Russia, because get this, he though about slavs not being too much better than jews, if any better. Thats not including the destruction of WW2, which the Nazis more or less started.
Then lets look at the fact Hitler lost, and only really had the power to murder unrestricted for aound 8-9 years, and stallin had 20 years. Stalin also won, and no one stopped him. Hitler was litterally stopped mid genocide.
If you compare the total deaths if Hitler was allowed to carry his plans out to completion, the body count is far far greater.
The irony is not lost that if you, yourself ever come to power, you will most likely execute the same bloody purges that Stalin did, for much the same reason, despite not being a communist.
if you actually watched the livestream you saw that most of them were protesting peacefully and trying to stop any sort of violence. Most of them stood in front of stores to prevent looting and trashing.
Drugs are illegal — criminals are prosecuted. That's not evidence of innocent Americans being harmed.
Except its been used against "innocent" parties. Its been linked in the article.
Yes, I know about the parallel construction and did mention it my post. It has not, however, been used against an innocent party. Some day it may be abused that way, but it has not happened yet — whereas Obama's use of IRS and DoJ power to silence critics has happened and continues to happen
you mean habitual tax evaders?
from the article you linked:
Wynn Resorts is under investigation for potential money-laundering law violations, according to a new report from Dow Jones.
Money laundering is a crime. People are being investigated for it.
It seems to be, just as many innocent people were harmed by the DEA as the IRS, if you want to apply your logic evenly to both sides.
I think they are similar to hurricanes in many regards, and I propose we name them as such.
Start alphabetically, and with a long list of random names (take randomly from US+other census data, or other large pools), and each successive vulernbility gets the next name from the list, no exceptions.
Not only did this work for hurricanes, this is actually how the US Government has decided on operation names for a while: How the US Army choses operation names
engineering is a vast catagory, so before you troll consider:
They might set up things like water purification, introduce technology to make more effective yields from the farms, set up or maintain water pumps, stoves, simple machines, etc....
They also might help develop and implement sustainable infrastructure such as solar, and wind, that can be used in a myriad of devices to help crop production, and even computers that could aid in education, and help stop the spread of diseases through awareness
you might even give them the plans/source code so they can fix and improve the machines themselves and become self sufficient instead fo relying on the handouts from foreigners.
But I guess that doesn't work out so well, if the downtrodden are slightly educated, have a world view from reading the internet, it makes them slightly less exotic, and in the future they might not need the help of wealthy philanthropists.
I mean, no one — not even you — has any evidence of it.
except we do. the docs snowden leaked contain entries going back to around ~2005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29
PRISM is a clandestine anti-terrorism[1] mass electronic surveillance data mining program launched in 2007 by the National Security Agency (NSA)
and government survialence has been consistantly leaked on slashdot since it started in 1997, going back to CARNIVORE, RAPTORE, and this:
Narus
There are no parties in the Constitution. So, no, we do not. We do know the candidates' (claimed) affiliations and this knowledge does affect our voting. But there is no codified "system", that gives "parties" any legal meaning — not in the US.
Just because there is no codified system, doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The system exists, because of conditions set up by our election system.
Its seen as cause and effect. Do you not understand cause and effect?
is that in the US we do not vote for parties. We vote for individuals
What is tripping you up, is the fact that in reality we DO vote for parties, almost exlcusively, with mabey handfuls of exceptions.
There is no such "favoring" anywhere in the Constitution
Of course not, but it created a system, due to how people and groups work, focus on a two party system, the challenger, and the incumbent, and is biased against a multi-party system(i.e. someone acts as a spoiler, if there are three parties running. A and B are somewhat close to eachother, and C is diffrent, Most people like the ideas of A and B, but C gets elected, despite the fact they are unpopular because they have the most amount of votes, even if they are liked the least, A and B need to throw a compromise canidate to ensure their ideas win out, perpetuating the system)
On contrast, many (most?) Democracies do vote for parties, who then appoint party-members to the legislature
which is frankly a better idea.
What I think needs to be done:
1. merge both houses of congress, unicarmel legislature
2. speaker of the combined house, is elected as the house speaker is now, and also serves as the vice president.
3. All congressional elections are every 5 years.
4. presidents are elected every 5 years, with a 3 term limit.
5. the president is now however subject to recall vote, called by at least 1/3 of all congresscritters, requring at least 2/3rds vote from congress, or a 2/3rds vote from the populace as a ballot item to remove the sitting president. Speaker of congress/vice president shall temporarily fill the roll, and next election day(one per year), there will be a new election for president.
6. All congresspersons are also subject to recall.
7. There is one election day a year, and all government elections happen on election day. Recall elections happen the following year. This day is a federal holiday.
8. The constitution shall be modified so under admission of new states the words "republican form of government" is changed to "democratic form of government".
9. Federal Ballot initiaves, with the threshold being 5% of the populace signing a refferendum, or a motion supported by at least 20% of congress, requiring 60% of the popular vote to pass.
10. electorial college is formally abolished, and replaced with a proportional points system.
every state has as many points as congresspersons, and they go in proportion to the amount of votes canidates get.(so states can split)
11. All congressional elections are done by proportionally, by state. More votes, more canidates. Party canidates are ranked in their parties, by state in primaries.
all the stuff that also happened under a "conservative" president.
Lets not beat around the bush. This has little to do with "liberal" vs "conservative", this has more to do with "democrat" and "republican". Not ideaologies, but formal organizations with well defined leadership and central planning. They are both guilty in varying degrees.
Honestly, what is amazing is that if you watch the "third party" debates, across the board, all canidates involved are dead set against this sort of thing. This includes the Greens, Libertarians, and even pretty standard conservative "Constitution Party".
Heck, my Libertarian days are behind me, but I'll be the first to admit, they've had the loudest truest voice against state survaillence, since day one. So where the Greens.
Its not "liberalism", something there aren't any of really left. Its the system. Its the party system we have.
So wait, we're assuming the only people police harrass are criminals to begin with.
In large cities that are "trendy", law enforcement harrasses the fuck out of the poor and minorities to make room for hipsters who'd pay more in rent.
Apple is, and has been, the greenest computer company on the planet.. They just didn't advertise it until the green peace terrorist started lying about it.
Doesn't this logic mildly upset you. Apple wasn't "green" until someone called them out on being "not green", that someone was a grass roots longstanding activist organization.(mabey with some questionable methods, but thats not relivant to the conversation). Then all of a sudden they are the "greenest company in tech".
PS: Jobs was just as much of an ideological left-winger then as his replacement is now - likely more so.
Stop, right there. Jobs was a masterpiece at marketing, but he didn't have a single shred of socialism in him. He was a die hard capitalist to the core.
What Steve Jobs was good at, was convincing you of things.
The Western mindset that censorship is automatically bad is outdated and unsuitable for 2014 and beyond. We need to just relax and let the smart people do their thing.
last time we tried that we got eugenics, and a world war. Just letting the "smart" people run things is terrible, because how can you objectively define "smart". It might work in the short run, but by no means is it sustainable.
Sooner or later you have "smart" defined as "self intrests of the ruling class", and "intellectual, and scientific" backing is niether intellectual or scientific, simply a means of oppression, and just rubber stamping the status quo. When something becomes a means of status, the impedus to fake it becomes high.
What amounts to "harmful" websites, are completely subjective, and generally used by those in power, to stay in power.
people "want", what the rulers want, because they are harshly disciplined to do so.(this is no diffrent than in America, which has radically diffrent means of population control).
If you disagree, then say so - but don't doubt China's justification for its own point of view
and by "china", you mean the chineese government. Of course, and what of her citizens? The agree with you, because they are told.
you really have no privacy in suburbia. They are horribly ineffecient, cultural wastelands, crowded, but still lack the population density for quality mass transit, or other good infrastructure options.
There is little real choice, as most shit in suburbia is more of the same, very bland, unoriginal, where people carryon in drone like fashion.
The indoor mall is probably one of the most disgusting social developments in history.
Slashdot Mirror
3. Once approved, the designs should be exempted fro EPA meddling
wat? no.
socialist
you keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means.
which are most likely the same people who support microsoft, the RIAA, and call Free software "open sores", and the government in other threads. Not everyone on slashdot supports Freedom, of any kind, or human rights of any kind at all
Just like only a small amount of protestors started violence, and the rest trying talking them down, most of slashdot aren't supporting the police, and the rest are actively talking them down.
read the entire thread, instead of responding to what you want to see.
If you watch any of the videos, which you can find on youtube, you'll understand that the "riot" was far overblown, and it was more a protest, with a handful of people out of control, with the crowd desperately trying to get them in control.
The rest is pure hubris, lies, and most likely what a few racists want to be true, but otherwise unsupported by raw footage.
Commie bastards — anybody with a Che Guevara T-shirt or a red flag — deserves to be hung from a lamp post until their feet stop kicking.
no tell us how you really think. You are openly advocating the same political murder that you've accused others of doing.
The irony is not lost on me, and it
even Hitler's peculiar branch of Fascism being but a distant second
Not if you count apples to apples. People generally count 6 million dead jews in the concentration camps for hitler, and all deaths regardless under stalin to include those caused by incompetence, carelessness, and wars.
If you total those died in german camps in WW2, you get 15 million of all races, and not including another 3 million ethnic slavs that hitler purged on his march into Russia, because get this, he though about slavs not being too much better than jews, if any better. Thats not including the destruction of WW2, which the Nazis more or less started.
Then lets look at the fact Hitler lost, and only really had the power to murder unrestricted for aound 8-9 years, and stallin had 20 years. Stalin also won, and no one stopped him. Hitler was litterally stopped mid genocide.
If you compare the total deaths if Hitler was allowed to carry his plans out to completion, the body count is far far greater.
The irony is not lost that if you, yourself ever come to power, you will most likely execute the same bloody purges that Stalin did, for much the same reason, despite not being a communist.
if you actually watched the livestream you saw that most of them were protesting peacefully and trying to stop any sort of violence. Most of them stood in front of stores to prevent looting and trashing.
Darling, depending on your age, there may still be hope for you.
I used to think like you, then I studied history. your views are out of touch with history.
Drugs are illegal — criminals are prosecuted. That's not evidence of innocent Americans being harmed.
Except its been used against "innocent" parties. Its been linked in the article.
Yes, I know about the parallel construction and did mention it my post. It has not, however, been used against an innocent party. Some day it may be abused that way, but it has not happened yet — whereas Obama's use of IRS and DoJ power to silence critics has happened and continues to happen
you mean habitual tax evaders? from the article you linked:
Wynn Resorts is under investigation for potential money-laundering law violations, according to a new report from Dow Jones.
Money laundering is a crime. People are being investigated for it.
It seems to be, just as many innocent people were harmed by the DEA as the IRS, if you want to apply your logic evenly to both sides.
Start alphabetically, and with a long list of random names (take randomly from US+other census data, or other large pools), and each successive vulernbility gets the next name from the list, no exceptions.
Not only did this work for hurricanes, this is actually how the US Government has decided on operation names for a while:
How the US Army choses operation names
They might set up things like water purification, introduce technology to make more effective yields from the farms, set up or maintain water pumps, stoves, simple machines, etc....
They also might help develop and implement sustainable infrastructure such as solar, and wind, that can be used in a myriad of devices to help crop production, and even computers that could aid in education, and help stop the spread of diseases through awareness
you might even give them the plans/source code so they can fix and improve the machines themselves and become self sufficient instead fo relying on the handouts from foreigners.
But I guess that doesn't work out so well, if the downtrodden are slightly educated, have a world view from reading the internet, it makes them slightly less exotic, and in the future they might not need the help of wealthy philanthropists.
can you back up your "best korea" style rhetoric with sources?
I mean, no one — not even you — has any evidence of it.
except we do. the docs snowden leaked contain entries going back to around ~2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 PRISM is a clandestine anti-terrorism[1] mass electronic surveillance data mining program launched in 2007 by the National Security Agency (NSA) and government survialence has been consistantly leaked on slashdot since it started in 1997, going back to CARNIVORE, RAPTORE, and this: Narus
Citation needed.
This is the war on drugs
Reagan declares war
This is parellel construction, basicly allowing cops to either plant evidence, and effectively nullifies reasonable suspicion.
This is civil foreiture. As you can see, the government can now just take your stuff without having to provide evidence
far less conviction in a court of law, jury of peers or not
Empty words.
hey mr pot, the kettle called, your fucking black.
There are no parties in the Constitution. So, no, we do not. We do know the candidates' (claimed) affiliations and this knowledge does affect our voting. But there is no codified "system", that gives "parties" any legal meaning — not in the US.
Just because there is no codified system, doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The system exists, because of conditions set up by our election system.
Its seen as cause and effect. Do you not understand cause and effect?
Scream all we want about Bush-era NSA surveillance, but such surveillance has not hurt an innocent American yet
you mean "it just didn't make the news yet".
typical partisan tripe. Dodge all responsibility and blame the other guy.
But the crimes are still real! Now contrast this with Obama's use of the IRS audits to suppress opposition.
If you think that is bad, see what the DEA has been doing since reagan.
is that in the US we do not vote for parties. We vote for individuals
What is tripping you up, is the fact that in reality we DO vote for parties, almost exlcusively, with mabey handfuls of exceptions.
There is no such "favoring" anywhere in the Constitution
Of course not, but it created a system, due to how people and groups work, focus on a two party system, the challenger, and the incumbent, and is biased against a multi-party system(i.e. someone acts as a spoiler, if there are three parties running. A and B are somewhat close to eachother, and C is diffrent, Most people like the ideas of A and B, but C gets elected, despite the fact they are unpopular because they have the most amount of votes, even if they are liked the least, A and B need to throw a compromise canidate to ensure their ideas win out, perpetuating the system)
On contrast, many (most?) Democracies do vote for parties, who then appoint party-members to the legislature
which is frankly a better idea.
What I think needs to be done:
1. merge both houses of congress, unicarmel legislature
2. speaker of the combined house, is elected as the house speaker is now, and also serves as the vice president.
3. All congressional elections are every 5 years.
4. presidents are elected every 5 years, with a 3 term limit.
5. the president is now however subject to recall vote, called by at least 1/3 of all congresscritters, requring at least 2/3rds vote from congress, or a 2/3rds vote from the populace as a ballot item to remove the sitting president. Speaker of congress/vice president shall temporarily fill the roll, and next election day(one per year), there will be a new election for president.
6. All congresspersons are also subject to recall.
7. There is one election day a year, and all government elections happen on election day. Recall elections happen the following year. This day is a federal holiday.
8. The constitution shall be modified so under admission of new states the words "republican form of government" is changed to "democratic form of government".
9. Federal Ballot initiaves, with the threshold being 5% of the populace signing a refferendum, or a motion supported by at least 20% of congress, requiring 60% of the popular vote to pass. 10. electorial college is formally abolished, and replaced with a proportional points system.
every state has as many points as congresspersons, and they go in proportion to the amount of votes canidates get.(so states can split)
11. All congressional elections are done by proportionally, by state. More votes, more canidates. Party canidates are ranked in their parties, by state in primaries.
Operation Socialist
Its very much true, no one in murica likes socialism...
if for no other reason "they know whats good for them".
we're only "free" as long as we are explaining to a conquered people why we are bombing them.
Lets not beat around the bush. This has little to do with "liberal" vs "conservative", this has more to do with "democrat" and "republican". Not ideaologies, but formal organizations with well defined leadership and central planning. They are both guilty in varying degrees.
Honestly, what is amazing is that if you watch the "third party" debates, across the board, all canidates involved are dead set against this sort of thing. This includes the Greens, Libertarians, and even pretty standard conservative "Constitution Party".
Heck, my Libertarian days are behind me, but I'll be the first to admit, they've had the loudest truest voice against state survaillence, since day one. So where the Greens.
Its not "liberalism", something there aren't any of really left. Its the system. Its the party system we have.
So wait, we're assuming the only people police harrass are criminals to begin with. In large cities that are "trendy", law enforcement harrasses the fuck out of the poor and minorities to make room for hipsters who'd pay more in rent.
Apple is, and has been, the greenest computer company on the planet.. They just didn't advertise it until the green peace terrorist started lying about it.
Doesn't this logic mildly upset you. Apple wasn't "green" until someone called them out on being "not green", that someone was a grass roots longstanding activist organization.(mabey with some questionable methods, but thats not relivant to the conversation). Then all of a sudden they are the "greenest company in tech".
Jobs was a hippie.
and the real hippies are terrorists.
I love this logic.
PS: Jobs was just as much of an ideological left-winger then as his replacement is now - likely more so.
Stop, right there. Jobs was a masterpiece at marketing, but he didn't have a single shred of socialism in him. He was a die hard capitalist to the core.
What Steve Jobs was good at, was convincing you of things.
The Western mindset that censorship is automatically bad is outdated and unsuitable for 2014 and beyond. We need to just relax and let the smart people do their thing.
last time we tried that we got eugenics, and a world war. Just letting the "smart" people run things is terrible, because how can you objectively define "smart". It might work in the short run, but by no means is it sustainable.
Sooner or later you have "smart" defined as "self intrests of the ruling class", and "intellectual, and scientific" backing is niether intellectual or scientific, simply a means of oppression, and just rubber stamping the status quo. When something becomes a means of status, the impedus to fake it becomes high.
What amounts to "harmful" websites, are completely subjective, and generally used by those in power, to stay in power.
people "want", what the rulers want, because they are harshly disciplined to do so.(this is no diffrent than in America, which has radically diffrent means of population control).
If you disagree, then say so - but don't doubt China's justification for its own point of view
and by "china", you mean the chineese government. Of course, and what of her citizens? The agree with you, because they are told.
There is little real choice, as most shit in suburbia is more of the same, very bland, unoriginal, where people carryon in drone like fashion.
The indoor mall is probably one of the most disgusting social developments in history.
Also the idea that the french are lazy or unproductive is also false
ITT, complete misunderstanding of history, due to a complete inability to understand history through anything but the lense of memes and pop culture
That makes you a hipster son. You're the hipster. Do you understand? You're the hipster.