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Officer Not Charged In Michael Brown Shooting
An anonymous reader writes: A grand jury in Missouri has decided there is no probable cause to charge police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown. "A grand jury of nine whites and three blacks had been meeting weekly since Aug. 20 to consider evidence. At least nine votes would have been required to indict Wilson. The Justice Department is conducting an investigation into possible civil rights violations that could result in federal charges." Government officials and Brown's family are urging calm in Ferguson after the contentious protests that followed Brown's death.
The "protesters" in Ferguson right now are burning cars, breaking into stores, in general being asshats.
They're not interested in any kind of justice. They're only interested in revenge.
Love sees no species.
It's OK to try and harm someone just because they are wearing a badge and talking to you?
Equally disgusting...
Because that's what the physical evidence, and now a grand jury who had ALL the facts, said.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You seem to know more about what took place than the grand jury? Care to share your sources?
A hero was not falsely convicted of murding a violent criminal.
I don't even know why comments are enabled on this one
We the public don't yet know all the facts. Nonetheless, it was an immensely difficult case to build for the prosecutor as the only person alive who knew what happened was the one who pulled the trigger. Obviously the cop isn't going to say anything against his own case, and in the fog of the moment he might not remember the course of events accurately anyways. We can armchair quarterback this all we want but in the end it was extremely unlikely for any other result to come out; and that would have been the case regardless of the races of each person involved.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Sorry folks, whites win again!
Why is this on Slashdot?
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
The grand jury found no reason to even send this to trial. Cut and dry case of justifiable self defense. END of story.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
Timcast livestream from Ferguson
It's time to take away their guns. Police officers have demonstrated time and again that they cannot be trusted with guns. The answer is simple.
You made your conclusion based on the facts of the case and witness testimony I presume. The testimony I heard presented was that the gun used was Micheal Browns and he shot himself 11 times while the police officer tried to save Micheal's life.
I've got 101 mod points and you can't have them!
Does this really belong on Slashdot?
Personally, I don't think it's necessary - let's stick to new for nerds or at least the pretense of a technological angle.
The problem is that the cop put up a fight, if he had just let Michael Brown steal his gun and do lord-knows-what with it, then everything would have been OK.
Now, the locals and imported friends are destroying their community and their neighbor's businesses the case didn't turn out the way they expected.
After three months the DOJ couldn't build a credible Civil a Rights case against the officer.
After three months the prosecutor couldn't convince a *majority* of the grand jury that the officer did anything wrong.
After three minutes the protesters, knowing nothing more than the races of the two people in this case decided what happened, who should be punished, and what that punishment should be... And then proceeded to call anyone with a different opinion "racist".
White majority of politicians in this town? Maybe the locals in this town should have been more involved in their government. If you can't bring yourself to run for office, at least register to vote.
White majority police force? Maybe parents should raise their children to view the police department as a career choice, not the 'occupying force'.
It's ok to be a thug who roughs up old shopkeepers to steal form them, and then punch a cop and try to grab a gun? I'm supposed to feel sorry at the death of that kind of low life?
The grand jury found no reason to even send this to trial. Cut and dry case of justifiable self defense. END of story.
No, the grand jury found on probable cause. So it was not more likely than not that he was guilty, based on what they heard.
That does *not* mean it was a cut and dry case of justifiable self-defense, or that the officer was innocent.
That seems 'legit', given the other events in Ferguson. FTW.
Police have certainly performed abuses in the past. There's no good reason to think this is one of them.
Remember, Slashdot: Use rational thought and pay attention to evidence. Don't invent facts in your head to support the conclusion you emotionally desire.
The moment they stop burning their own ghetto and attack white neighborhoods they'll have a war.
I'm not going to rant about how guilty Darren Wilson was. To tell the truth, I don't know if he was guilty. But I just don't understand how there wasn't enough evidence to at least take this to trial. There were multiple witnesses saying that Mike Brown had his hands up and was not attacking Darren Wilson when he was shot. This alone to me is enough to at least take it to trial and see all the evidence to try and figure out exactly what happened.
Unfortunately, all of the emphasis has been on everything except what it should have been. It doesn't matter what Mike Brown was doing before the confrontation, or if he smoked pot. It doesn't even matter what happened with the struggle at the car (whether Mike Brown dove through the window trying for the gun or Darren Wilson grabbed him and pull him in the window). The only thing that matter is what was going on when Darren Wilson shot Mike Brown. If Mike Brown was standing (or kneeling as some reports say) with his hands up and not attacking anyone, then Darren Wilson murdered Mike Brown. If Mike Brown was charging to attack Darren Wilson when he was shot, then is was a good shooting. Unfortunately, with this grand jury decision, we will never get an answer to that. I just don't understand how with the witnesses that have come forward, they couldn't find enough evidence that maybe there was wrong doing to want all the evidence to come out so we can have answers.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
Time to send in "BigDog" and its kin from Boston Dynamics!
Also, Why The F*ck would they wait until NIGHT TIME to announce the verdict!?
Unless the officer was being attacked by a 6'5" 250+ male.
The story was suspect had his hands up. Autopsy proven this wrong.
The story was he was "a gentle giant", the video tape shows him threatening a smaller shop worker moments before with force. Wrong again.
The story was he was running away. Autopsy gun reports shows I was facing officer.
The cop said he was attacked inside his car, friend said never attacked cop (also said they didn't rob store where they are seen on tape ... Robbing a store). Physical evidence points to suspect leaning inside car.
I do not like the police. I am not a fan of big government, but even I believe they have the right to defend themselves if attacked.
This whole incident has been extremely interesting to me.
On this site and others, I've seen otherwise intelligent people go absolutely stupid regarding this incident.
It was clear from the very beginning that Brown was nowhere near as innocent as so many people claimed he was. The footage of him in the shop, acting in a very aggressive and harmful manner just minutes before the shooting, told us all we needed to know. The information made available today further goes to show that Brown very likely attacked the police officer.
Any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see this situation for what it is. Yet despite all of the evidence to the contrary, there are still very smart people who have deluded themselves into believing that Brown somehow wasn't responsible at all for what happened.
It's totally absurd, yet also totally intriguing.
The prosecutor threw the case.
There is a saying that a grand jury will indite a ham sandwich. The prosecutor could easily have only presented the witness testimony that Brown had his hands up.
The prosecutor didn't do this because he didn't want an inditement. If the shooter hadn't been a cop, there would have been an inditement. This is yet another example of high vs. low justice and a good example of why this country is on the verge of falling apart.
Not sure if you're joking or not but that isn't a bad idea, with the caveat that they should have access to guns if they need them, eg have a rifle or shotgun in the trunk of their car.
Carrying around a gun all the time probably costs more civilian lives than it saves cop lives.
Of course the whole situation is made much more difficult because of the huge number of guns in private hands. But you've got to start somewhere. Realistically, some of the more peaceful towns or counties could adopt this kind of policy today without any real risk, and that might at least start the ball rolling on lowering cop-civilian tensions.
Police officers don't kill people--physics kills people!
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
... punched a cop, tried grabbing his gun, *then tried to charge at him* when told to stop. Yeah, definitely an 'innocent black teen'.
Who I feel bad for is the officer, having to go through all this shit.
Case Closed.
In GOD we trust, all others we monitor.
to a petite jury, and there are 9 whites, it's possible to vote racially and not send it to trial. There should have been more blacks on the grand Jury to ward against that...
Not that it would matter to the hooligans.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
There wasn't an indictment, either.
bad things happen to you, any fully evolved human should be able to figure this out.
Well said.
I know a lot of people, including rather intelligent people, will contradict what you're saying. But I do also think that they know, deep inside, that they're wrong and what you're saying is right.
Now, they can't admit that, of course. That would be "racist". But deep down, they know that Brown was very likely just another thug who attacked a police officer, and this officer had to defend himself, as is totally reasonable when violently attacked in such a way.
What are you being distracted from by paying attention to Ferguson? Anyone with an opinion one way or another on this has had their emotions played like a fiddle.
Nope the gentle giant was trying to jump through the police officers car window to give up himself up after robbing a store. This is how Brown's DNA was found Wilson's gun, on inside and outside of the car and Wilson's uniform and the blood that was found on the inside and outside of the car.
Brown watch too much Duke's of Hazards growing up and thought this was the way to enter a car.
All I know...is this would've been a great case for the police to have bodycams.
Then there wouldn't be any questions.
Two separate, independent investigations... including one from the US DOJ (Eric Holder)... if you saw the statement by the prosecutors office before the verdict, it seems the grand jury had an amazing amount of evidence to base their decision on, and didn't have enough probable cause to even go to trial. They did have all of the evidence from both investigations and three different autopsies.
Witness testimony was anything but consistent, and many of the "eye witnesses" admitted they didn't actually see anything when they were questioned more than once. Many of their stories changed.
I believe this one to be right. I don't have all the facts myself, but with all the attention on this, and all that has transpired -- I do believe the cop was tried in the court of public opinion before the facts of the case.
Call me crazy (crazy!), but sometimes these things aren't simply going to go the cops' way because they're cops. Sometimes. This could be one of them.
Very true.
The police officer is one of the few real victims in this whole ordeal. His life is now turned upside down and totally disrupted just because some petty thug decided to attack him, and this officer did the reasonable thing and defended himself against this attack.
The only other victims are the business owners who had their shops looted and destroyed by the other thugs who were "protesting" the police officer who was merely defending himself from a violent attack.
Nerds
You want pathetic? What about poor Brandon Howell?
http://www.kctv5.com/story/274...
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
but it's ok to burn down a pizza place and pharmacy, right?
Oh look, there goes a McDonald's too. Up in flames.
The leftist reverence for a proven thug is disgusting. Time to face reality. Your innocent angel strong-arm robbed a store and then attacked a police officer, punching him in the face and tried to grab his gun before finally trying to charge him.
I dunno, are the rioters wearing badges now?
No its ok to kill a thug who is trying to kill you. Thank god we can still defend ourselves from agressors
10 to 1 you wouldn't be saying this if the kid was white.
How is this tech news in any way?
Tonight, selected 'hoods will burn to pave the way for the next generation of White hipsters. 30 years from now, some sweet digs will be available for gentrifiers... except for Missouri itself because even if it were fixed up, who would want to live there?
Why, the unchallengeable phantasmic aura of his bias.
Christ, there are enough real examples of police brutality against minorities without having to resort to one that appears so dubious.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Brandon Howell thanks you for your support!
http://www.kctv5.com/story/274...
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
I'd like to end .... You
It's ok to be a thug who roughs up old shopkeepers to steal form them, and then punch a cop and try to grab a gun? I'm supposed to feel sorry at the death of that kind of low life?
The old shopkeeper was asking for it. You *must* be a racist.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
You don't see this type of shit in open carry states.
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Commander Taco, can we get a -1 RACIST mod on Slash Dot?
Expand that beyond just 'cop''... "if you punch any armed person in the face... bad things happen to you"... just ask Trayvon Martin... oh right... he made the same mistake.
Assault is assault... and assault when the person on the receiving end fears for their life and has the means to respond will escalate.
Best way to avoid getting shot is to not provoke those who can lawfully respond to such assaults.
An armed society is a polite society.
This verdic proves the opposite.
The prosecutor presented all witness testimony. All of it. And he most certainly did present that evidence, he also presented why he didn't find it credible.
So... you don't see any chance that the grand jury reached their decision without KKK involvement? What about aliens? or the Illuminati? Maybe the Trilateral Commission?
I think Occam's razor is more likely.
Help Brendan pay off his student loans
(Note: The decision(*) was handed down 2 hours ago and already there's rioting.)
I recently posted about a fire inspector reacting to a problem in the most dickish way possible.
The responses were surprising and enlightening. On the topic of his actions, each and every one of the respondents felt that the inspector reacted appropriately, that he in fact had to react in the most extreme manner possible, and that it was the right thing to do(**).
If you agree with this position, then it's OK for police to shoot an unarmed black man in Ferguson Missouri, or a black man purchasing a gun off the shelf at WalMart, or a 12-year old boy in Ohio playing with a toy gun.
The police have a dangerous job - they put their lives on the line every single day (just ask one), and they simply can't take the chance that a black man might be dangerous.
No. That's completely wrong, and it comes from police and other government agencies "doubling down" on their mistakes. Something bad happens, someone in authority shouts "it was the correct thing to do!", and it's echoed all over the press and on the net by people who repeat what they hear without thinking it through.
When the department says that the most dickish possible way is the right response they are alienating the people. It might avoid getting the cop thrown off the force, but in the future the department may actually *need* the support or cooperation of the people in order to do their job. This is short-term smart and long-term stupid.
We have schools teaching teenagers how to react to cops, and the take-away message is that cops only hurt people - they are a danger to be avoided
The "broken window" theory of crime can also be applied to the police. If we let them get away with these sorts of abuses, everyone in a position of authority will know that it's OK to act in the most dickish way possible.
I understand how rules exist to prevent the "worst possible scenario" from happening, but do we *always* have to act as if the worst possible scenario is happening right here, right now? Should cops always shoot a suspect who has a gun in hand? Would a more nuanced approach better?
I'm glad there's rioting. This crap needs to stop.
(*) For non-merikan readers, a grand jury does not assign guilt or innocence, it only determines whether a trial should happen. Basically, it tries to determine if there is enough evidence to go to trial. Also, it's heavily rigged *against* the defendant.
(**) There are at least 3 alternative actions the fire marshal could have taken that would have solved his problem without alienating all the con goers, the business, and the hotel. I don't expect anyone in his local area would help if his office needed public support for something, such as "please help us by sending us your video tape of incident".
So, this might be news, but it's not "news for nerds". Why is it posted on this website? I vote to remove it.
Enough said.
Now why they changed I dunno, but that can change things. Also there was supposedly physical evidence that contradicted witness statements.
However if you are interested, it sounds like the unusual step of opening up the grand jury records will be taken in this case. So, keep up with it and read the transcript when it is available, and then see what you conclude.
Careful there, your white hood is showing Bobby-Bubba-Ray-John-Dumbass
Well presented argument, and AC none the less. I am shaking in my boots...
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
It's ok to be a murdering thug if you wear a badge, right?
Disgusting.
I think everybody is missing the important distinction here. We're mad at what happened instead of being mad at the policies and laws that allow this kind of thing.
The grand jury didn't indict him because hes a cop. Cops are allowed to, expected to use lethal force. Cops are not required to risk themselves for members of the public. When I feel like I'm being threatened by somebody I'm required by law to try and leave, Cops are allowed to pull a gun and shoot. And to the legal system they are a part of, they see that as routine. "I shot a suspect who rushed me" is the end of the investigation for them.
We need those attitudes and policies changed by lawmakers, the problem isn't that Police are acting badly, its that they are allowed to act badly.
Nope. When a black guy gets shot the state gets a second bite at the apple in the form of a civil rights prosecution.
That does seem correct to me. I'm not an expert on the case, but that does seem correct, especially since Michael Brown had just robbed a convenience store.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - That is a real, legitimate video from the same day he was shot.
Not implying he deserves to die or be shot but can we stop praising this like some innocent kid (300+lbs) on the street was randomly shot?
Everyone's arguing the wrong problem.
The protesters say "He should have been indicted!"
The cops say "What he did was legal!"
They're both right. In this country, a cop chasing and shooting an unarmed person who is suspected of a felony is legally allowed to shoot them dead in cold blood if they feel the suspect is a danger to the public. What Wilson did wasn't illegal, it was just immoral.
The problem is: That should not be legal. Wilson could have waited for backup but he didn't and went charging in like a cowboy. He got into a fist fight and ended it with a gun. Any civilian that did the same would go strait to prison. There is no excuse for us to allow police to behave more recklessly than any other citizen.
Get stoned. Rob store. Walk down middle of street looking for a fight. Approach and physically assault a cop seated in a car. Try to take cop's gun. Get shot for it. Cop's fault.
Evidence shows it wasn't cop's fault. Protest, cop is a white male, has to be cop's fault. Set fire to other people's cars. Smash other people's windows. Cops made protesters do it. Cop's fault.
Every day I'm glad I'm not an American. Every damn day.
So an intoxicated 18 yr old robs a convenience store then attacks a cop while being asked to get on a sidewalk instead of the middle of the street.... yeah what a great young man. good riddance. All the dummies who riot and burn and attack people and property using this incident as an excuse should be shot.
even the greatest black american dad is a serial rapist. you don't know shit about any of these strangers. OJ was very likely innocent, at least the cops failed miserably at investigating, and got caught trying to plant evidence. People jumped around all crazy saying he was guilty, but the evidence in court showed otherwise. OJ was a wife beater for sure, but nobody ever showed murderer. The evidence here showed that Michael Brown fucked up, and it cost him and his family.
You'll be able to study all the evidence soon since they are going to publicly release everything.
I thought that Slashdot was a tech blog/news site.
Rumors are flying that it was actually a black cop who killed black 12 year old Tamir Rice for playing with a fake gun at a playground. :(
This would be the perfect case of police being too trigger happy but since it wasn't a white cop it will be dropped from news cycles in a few days
All the Caucasian FPD officers have tiny white pointy caps under their riot helmets, you can see them when they turn their heads the right way.
It's almost like they have no reason to be mad at all. I mean, officer kills a black kid, news at 11. All thugs deserve what they get, am i rite?
OH WAIT. You mean this isn't 4-chan? People should actually be outraged about this?
Maybe this will be a lesson to the rest of you thugs out there. Pull your pants up and get a job, until then expect more of this. You wanted rights, you got them. Now work and earn a living to keep those rights. Stop selling drugs, promoting sex and violence to the youth. Stop making it about race. Your own people sold you to Americans, your 'ancestors' were owned by both blacks and whites. Your 'ancestors' were sold by their own brothers and cousins in Africa. If you want to be treated equally you should contribute as much as the white man has over the past 200 years.
If you listened to the evidence he was shot while in or on the vehicle....
So the not attacking anyone...well that was a complete fabrication by someone...wanting it to be true
The KKK? Seriously? The organization that's down to 2000 members total, 10% of which are FBI agents? Did you just wake up from a sixty year nap?
"he also presented why he didn't find it credible"
If he had been prosecuting a civilian vs a cop, he would not have presented that... just sayin'. (And I'm pretty sure that is not their job, quite the contrary, though I certainly think it should be, I just don't believe that discretion is fairly applied).
But yeah, powder burns on the hands... Brown was probably going for the gun. If I've heard right, that's how most cops get killed, their own gun, which is an argument against cops carrying guns all the time.
Ah, you don't remember your Civil War history, do you? Missouri tried to secede... and failed. So it shouldn't be suprising that Missouri is 50 years behind the rest of the country. In these parts of the country, time stands still for long periods of time. Mid range home values are nearly the same as the giant pickup trucks and hummers the everyone seem to drive.
Back to the case, it does seem like the riots are wanted. Even heard a news pundit talking about how all the stores are loaded with goodies for Black Friday, and joked that the streets of Feguson would be on fire soon. It's like he was giving the people watching a wink and a nod, "Yeah man, go for it. Take the stuff that's rightfully yours. The building's on fire anyway, they won't miss it. And if the building's not on fire, could you please light it before you leave?" So frustrating. And the news is happily commenting on how the unrest is spreading to various other cities. Again, like the powers that be want horrible things to happen. Maybe to teach the populace that uprising will be costly.
Costly - ahhh - economics, what makes the world go around:
What could possibly go wrong?
ug-- never mind. I totally misinterpreted something in the post I was replying to. Please delete.
I suspect the KKK is involved in this some how. This looks like a Classic 1950s/1960s Rigged Jury situation. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the KKK was not somehow involved.
OK, so you're trolling, right? You're saying that just to stir the pot, since you know perfectly well that the judge selected that particular group of local people to be on the grand jury before Brown and his buddy robbed the store and before Brown punched the cop in the face and got shot in defense. Do you even understand how a grand jury works?
It reads like something you'd hear about 50 years ago.
It reads like something you'd hear about through all of human history. Person A attacks person B, and person B uses force to defend himself.
Multiple witnesses (and not the liars who retracted their initial BS when confronted with actual evidence) - whose descriptions of what they saw are consistent with each other and with the physical evidence - explain it just that simply.
Your need for a fantasy narrative to make that 270-pound idiotic cigar thief into some sort of hero martyr, even to the point of inserting a magical KKK than can time travel in order to change a grand jury to their liking - is truly strange. Hilarious, actually.
Guess they want Flame Broiled Burgers like Burger King.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
All eyewitness testimony is unreliable. If it was Brown who killed Willson, no prosecutor in the country would have a problem with an eyewitness with shifting details.
Especially batshit irrelevant, as the cop had no idea there was a reported robbery. Prosecutors can 'indict a ham sandwich' with a grand jury. If they didn't indict, it's because the prosecutor didn't want them to. First in the Ohio Wal-Mart murder, and now in Missouri.
If this had been 2 private citizens in an altercation that started out as a fist fight and ended up with a gun being used, the shooter would at least have had to go to trial, When a cop does it, it's OK.
It's too bad, because by and large cops are just high school bullies with a mandate. What was this guy worried about? He had a gun, probably some other non-lethal weapon, and all cops wear bulletproof vests so there's at least a very low probability of dying if you do get shot. He also could have called for backup before trying to take this guy out. It just sounds like adrenaline got the best of him, and he should have to go to prison for it just like a normal citizen would.
The grand jury mechanism is the way prosecutors demonstrate that there's at least enough evidence that they MIGHT be able to win a prosecution. It's a very famous phrase that a prosecutor and a grand jury can "indict a ham sandwich" (in other words: the hurdle is VERY LOW). In the grand jury, the defendant (in this case the cop) does NOT get to have a lawyer present even though he is still under oath and subject to perjury charges, AND evidence against him is allowed in even if it is evidence that would be thrown out for various reasons in a regular trial. A grand jury indicted "old white guy" Scooter Libby because he had a different recollection of a phone call from that of the other guy on the phone when there was no recordning of that call.... so we're talking "REALLY low hurdle" here. The fact that this grand jury did not issue an indictment, even faced with the threats that riots might ensue in the city says a lot about how poor the evidence of wrongdoing by the cop was.
The simple fact is that NONE of us here has seen all the evidence the grad jury spent months studying. What we DO know is that APPARENTLY (going by the press conference, which will be confirmed in the days ahead by documents) there was plenty of testimony by witnesses (nearly all of them black) to the grand jury that the deceased man did not passively have his hands while saying "don't shoot" ("hands up, don't shoot" appears to have been a drummed up as a rallying cry rather than being an accurate representation of the incident) and apparently the autopsies all agreed that the deceased man was in fact never shot in the back. It seems that a petty criminal, upon being stopped by a cop made the stupid decision to fight and then his accomplice in the robbery started passing the story around that his (now) dead friend was was just a peaceful innocent guy gunned-down by a mean racist cop.... and then race hustlers used the national media to whip this up into a civil rights issue. This is a personal tradgedy for the family of the deceased man, and his family, and for the cop, and his family, and for all the small business owners in that town whose businesses have been burned and looted. The only people gaining from this are the looters (the vast majority of whom did not know the deceased and were not in any way harmed) and guys like Al Sharpton who makes many sensationalizing this stuff on MSNBC and then makes mote money on donations to his organizations. No average ordinary decent innocent middle or lower class white or black man or woman will benefit from any chaos.
The fact that this is being used as a tool to incite ingorant fucks into idiotic behavior... THAT is what you should care about.
Bummer that if you're ignorant enough to fall for the incitement... nothing anyone can say will sway you until you GET A FUCKING EDUCATION IN REALITY.
Yep, there's what happens in life and then there's what you hear about it. The sooner you find out that the two aren't the same, the better off you and everyone around you will be.
Wake the fuck up people.
"they"
"ghetto"
"white neighbourhoods"
And they say Racism isn't rife in America. It's certainly pretty evident in comments like this one.
That should provoke some discussion!
After getting up, working all day- they then find the energy to stay up all night protesting, oh wait, they didn't work at all....... never mind. Life is hard in the ghetto.
Everything above is my opinion....YMMV
He had not robbed a store. Check your facts.
Anonymous has dug up evidence of ties between the Ferguson PD and the KKK. For one thing, they've established that Darrin Wilson's GF is a KKK member, if not Wilson himself.
Absolutely it is their job. They are obligated to exercise due diligence in a prosecution. Any attorney presenting witness testimony they don't find credible is grounds for disbarment. For a prosecutor it is much more serious because they are held to a standard of diligence they don't have to just find the testimony not non-credible they must actually find it credible.
Will debian exclude you if you make disparaging remarks about looters?
The already do if you make disparaging remarks about women:
http://slashdot.org/submission...
Cops represent the State. When confronted, the State doesn't "back away", it responds with force. End of line. Submit to the State or suffer the consequences.
hahahaha its fantastic, animal control officer wilson is free to kill more niggers legally, dumb chimps burning stores will get gunned down, im jacking off so fast and hard to your butthurt sjw tears HAHAHAHAHA
What better way to show your displeasure with one group of people by attacking and destroying the property of a completely different group?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Because racist pathetic arguments are all you have to justify your hate.
Yeah - probably not. It would never had made the news and we wouldn't be discussing it genius.
I'd gladly kill someone trying to kill me regardless of their melanin content. Any other answer is insane.
All of those people were conservative, thus the mass killing to keep or expand the status quo.
Because otherwise, I don't think the answer of a 67% white grand jury is acceptable to a town that is 67% black and patrolled by a police force that's about 94% white and which hires people who are from other police departments which were shut down because they were too racist.
If at least one black voted not to indict then it gives the process some legitimacy.
If all three voted not to indict then the answer will probably be accepted eventually.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
That is the sorry pion there.
Brown is undiserving last straw. The years of lets say bad police work and oppression that lead upto it are the issue.
The story was he was running away. Autopsy gun reports shows I was facing officer.
Really? You were facing the officer? I don't believe you.
The video and police report say otherwise. Show your facts.
Obviously, none of us have access to all of the information available to the grand jury. I am also quite sure that they were aware of the gravity of the decision they made. It is a reasonable assumption that they made their decision very carefully.
But - here's the big news - even if the grand jury screwed up, we see the existence of a barbaric sub-culture that thinks the right response rioting and looting. The barbarians are inside the gates.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
I remember thinking, on the day that our current President was elected, "This is a bad day for the KKK."
In this case Brown was shot by the cop for attacking the cop, beating the cop, pulling on his gun, which went off in the car, running away, being called to stop and then turning around and charging at the cop with the intent to kill him.
Any normal person would have shot Brown was he black or white or beige.
You can't handle the truth.
I have a dream that one day cigar thieving cop punchers can get shot, not for the color of their skin, but for the content of their character.
Another punkass cop shoots an unarmed citizen (a black sagginass criminal thugsta doughboy nonetheless) to kill.
Totally unnecessary.
Then the cops cover up all the cop side of evidence as usual.
So fluckin typical. Aint nothin changed since Rodney King.
When you gonna wakeup America. Yall bitches should be out in the streets.
I feel guilty for having a McDonalds and a pizza place within walking distance of my house, but the downtrodden Black residents of Ferguson don't.
Pathetic is right...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
Is this ok to beat up a cop if you just stole cigarillos ?
If it had not been for his gun, Wilson would be dead...
I totally understand, because I'm drinking beer watching the riots on my flat screen TV
Laws are not the problem. The failure of Brown's parents as PARENT is evident.
What justice do you want ? Brown was a petty thief. He got his due.
I guess race relations can wait for another decade. There can be no rest for anyone as long as a mother must fear for her child's life every time he leaves the house, because his skin is the "wrong" color.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Yes, petty thievery demands execution. Spot on, mate! Spot on!
What do you say we do with the swarthy cads who cross the road without even having the decency to use a crosswalk, guv'nuh?
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Beating a cop to death in his car deserve the use of deadly force. If a 250lb 6'4" guy start to beat me up, and if I am carrying, I will shot to STOP THE THREAT. If the guy run away, I'll stop shooting. If the guy run back toward me, I'll pull the trigger until I run out of bullet, or the guy fall dead, or decide to back off, whichever comes first. Killing to protect MY lif is not wrong..Wilson reacted as everybody should react in such situation.
Assuming the bodycam was pointed in the right direction.
News media are nothing more than trolls pushing peoples buttons to whore attention and viewership. They race bait constantly and bark like rabid dogs whenever someone calls them on rampant hyperbole and worthless mental masturbation invoked to kill time in the absence of any actual news or evidence.
First thing out the gate today after announcement was Mr Tooooobin getting all hot and defensive about Bob calling out misleading bullshit coming from the media.
The equation seems to be keep the masses divided by stoking tribalism while systemic issues and gross injustices ... stop and frisk, racial profiling, quotas/revenue generation, plea deals, minimum sentences, prosecutor incentives divorced from truth seeking, war on drugs, existence of unenforceable laws and general systemic failure to counter human tendency to abuse power that comes with badge and gun go largely ignored and unaddressed.
The media always hides behind the notion they are just reporting or that tribalism is a valid topic. This is bullshit. They get to choose what they go all MH370 on and what they remain silent about. Their decisions very much affects reality and are very much determined by their pursuit of attention... they are professional trolls.
And the rightist disregard for the rule of law and presumption of innocence when the subject in question is of a group they disapprove of is disgusting. We used to hang people for that. Unfortunately Nuremberg is fading in our institutional memories.
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
Of the word "grand" used with the word Jury. this GRAND jury = 12 peeps selected from the little larger group by lawyers.....
Now correct if I'm wrong, but U.S system works like this ? Or is it just the movies ?
Yes, now move along.
If this kid was white, he'd still be a fucking moron for attacking a cop, and he'd deserve his dirt nap.
Do you really think whites actually get choked up about white thugs getting killed? A thug is a thug and they belong in jail or in the ground, if they are stupid.
Two different things: what you said was, he got what he deserved -- he was a petty thief. If the circumstance you have just fleshed out is the actual circumstance, it's a lot more justified than implying that someone who has done some ridiculously minor crime like petty theft deserves to be executed on the street. You can easily paint any scenario you want to suit a justification, though, so paint away.
Not to go all tinfoil hat on everyone, but why would you release this at night unless you wanted riots? This was the town that tried to ban protests after sundown and they didn't think that maybe, just MAYBE they should wait until daylight to help keep everyone calm and orderly?
So you are trying to justify mass murder, but the life of a police officer doing his job should be sacrificed at the altar of your grand ideal equal society ? Your moral stinks...
You should move out of your duty to flee locale and go somewhere with castle law. Then you'll have the same rights that cops have nationwide.
Of course, you have to deal with the fact that these places typically have higher property crime and lower violent crime, because violent crime frequently results in violent asshats getting shot.
Btw, killing millions to save billions is not morally acceptable.
"We need those attitudes and policies changed by lawmakers, the problem isn't that Police are acting badly, its that they are allowed to act badly."
And that the Justice system is designed/manipulated to protect THEM when they do behave "badly", as you put it.
Here is another bit of information you should all digest, a quote from NPR: ( http://www.npr.org/2014/08/25/ )
"To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson--a city of 21,135 people--issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations."
Now, if most of those people with warrants for driving offenses are black (Ferguson is 67.4% black, according to the 2010 census), and these warrants preclude them from serving on a Grand Jury (they do), then how is it possible to get a fairly balanced jury of one's peers? In short, the Ferguson Police Department handing out tickets to mostly black residents precludes black residents from ever serving on a Grand Jury, or any jury for that matter, in effect stacking the deck against them, racially speaking. A black person in Ferguson is fucked before they ever even reach a courtroom, and white folks have got it easy as the deck is ALWAYS stacked in their favor.
A similar situation exists where I live because there are NINE overlapping legal jurisdictions in terms of law enforcement--fully 5% of the population here is law enforcement (I live near a border, and as a result fall under the jurisdiction of local law-enforcement, County law-enforcement, State law-enforcement and numerous federal agencies including ICE, Border Patrol, FBI, DEA and DHS.). You cannot put together a jury here that isn't 5% (or more) law-enforcement, in effect stacking the deck against anyone being tried in a criminal court, as other jurors tend to believe them even when, during jury selection, those same officers said they would always believe a cop over anyone else, regardless of content. And yes, I actually heard several cops state that during jury selection when I was called up for jury duty. As a result of hearing this before I was questioned, I stated at that time I thought the cards stacked against any defendant...and was dismissed from jury duty.
The cards were stacked against Justice in Ferguson, and in favor of Darren Wilson. This shit needs to change.
For what it's worth, I'm white (or Caucasian...whatever makes you feel better about yourself).
no, but they're definitively packing guns..
I don't care the color of your skin or your gender. You might be the most beautiful girl ever, if you try to physically harm me without my consent, I will defend myself. If you insist, and if I am carrying, I will shoot until your threat is over, and this include shooting to death.
I'm not a big fan of police violence, especially when it ends up being used corruptly, but police are a minority who represent the government's monopoly on legal force. If there is no such monopoly, then force is applied by whoever can bring it to bear.
One of the benefits of such a monopoly is that we don't often have to fortify our dwellings and deal with tribal warfare like you might see in a place like Afghanistan.
Another benefit is that we only employ a relatively small number of people as police who have the ability to use that force. The rest of us can get away without being armed personally. In the end, that is safer for everyone, despite the fact that police still do apply force.
Unfortunately, that also means that police have to be trained and armed disproportionately to be able to handle threats where they may be outnumbered. That's why cops call for backup whenever they need to or are able to. There is a much higher chance of a successful and safe outcome for all involved if the police can cow a criminal into not resisting in the first place.
Police aren't allowed to "act badly". They are allowed to use force in situations where they are enforcing the law or protecting themselves while enforcing the law. The government relies on that force to maintain order. It can be misused, and there are numerous instances where it has been. Nevertheless, in the balance, it is an unpopular, but necessary aspect of governing. If perhaps the people can be conditioned to not resist the law, then perhaps that force can be further restricted, but there is still plenty of resistance and it is not clear that such conditioning is a positive goal in a democracy.
How about being mad at Mike's parent for their failed education ?
Yeah, listening to one of the live streams coming from the protesters, they were making it sound like the cops "planted" the cop car there so that the protesters would attack it. So it is the cop's fault that they attacked the car.
So step back a second. Even if that was 100% the cop's goal, the protesters have free will. They don't have to break windows, attempt to tip over, and then light fire to a car. They could have walked by it and ignored it. Perhaps it might have gotten dinged up a little if some scuffles happened around it, but it is plenty easy to not attack a car.
They also didn't need to loot and burn down rows of businesses.
Of course, I'd chastise them for burning their own town down, but in the end, I wouldn't be surprised if it was outsiders doing most of that.
I like being an American, but I can't pretend that I like all Americans. Not when they do stupid shit like this.
Well, not to go all Godwin, but ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Third_Reich
It wouldn't be a war, but pest control. People of European ancestry are better at war than people of African ancestry. Sorry, that's the way it is. That's why there were no European slaves in Africa. We're just better. Get over it. :)
It was not just the petty theft. He attempted to kill Officer Wilson, punching him several time, then tried to take his gun, then backed off, tried to run away, and then decided to charge on Officer Wilson while being already injured.. This was not an execution, it was self-defense.
FWIW, if I am carrying, if you try to rob me, I will draw. If you move toward me, I will shoot until your threat is over. Your call. I gave you a chance to back off, you choose to escalate the situation, I am entitled to protect any attempt made on my life. In this particular time, MY life is worth a hell lot more than yours.
Requiem for the street of West Florissant in Ferguson Missouri.
RIP. Bravely stood and tried to serve the community around.
Now gone.
http://youtu.be/MKWeF5dEI0g
You seem to know more about what took place than the grand jury? Care to share your sources?
CNN
Please help, I cannot find it. I downloaded the grand jury testimony from NYT but it is 4799 pages and 3 month old.
Africans are the fastest race on the planet... until they walk into a crosswalk (if they decide to use one...)
Were they really nice cigarillos?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The grand jury found no reason to even send this to trial. Cut and dry case of justifiable self defense. END of story.
I agree that there is no criminal case, but it should not be the end of story. I have a feeling that though no crime was committed the police should expect a higher standard from officers and I would hope an internal investigation followed by either disciplinary action or training as appropriate will now follow.
It is a pity they do not murder more thugs. It is indeed a public service, a very proactive one. I do not see ANY problem on that at all.
It was the Freemasons. Duh.
The protesters should go home and argue, in court or in public, for cameras on cops. That's a very reasonable request I strongly support. But marching around, destroying things and looting? Not so much.
I know. There are different people doing that. Jerks just taking advantage of people who feel they've been legitimately wronged. But I honestly don't think the marches do anything worthwhile and they give the idiots a chance to make trouble, so even for all the peaceful protesters who don't want any trouble, it's a bad idea all around.
Stick to wanting things like cameras as a neutral witness. Make sure all confessions and questioning is recorded too, lots of crap goes down there, as well. Maybe even add some laws against charging someone if the video gets "lost" somehow. Lost the tape? You just lost any chance to use the testimony. Those are 100% perfectly valid and reasonable requests and I absolutely support ideas like that. But rioting? Not so much. I don't see how it's worth it for anyone.
Until people start using the freedom of information act to get access to all the footage of people on their worst days.
History disagrees with you.
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Dude, you ever eaten there? That shit deserves to burn.
They changed it. Now it's Pants up, don't loot!
Black Friday starts tonight. Insurance companies to take the hit.
No. The hit is taken by the store owners and their landlords. Insurance policies generally exclude damage during riots, along with other civil insurrections and wars.
The net result of rioting that involves looting and/or store trashing is stores that move out or go out of business. Lots of little family businesses are bankrupted, while the big box store chains look at all the red ink and don't reopen. (That's why the Koreans were on the roofs of their stores with guns during the Rodney King post-verdict activities in Los Angeles.)
Think there's a shortage of decent-paying (or paying at all) jobs in Ferguson? Just wait... (This is what happened to Oakland, California, which is mopping up the last holdouts tonight "in sympathy with Ferguson".)
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Your numbers do not scare us. Your puny weapons do not scare us. Drones, gunships and tanks will take care of you rabble. Sincerely yours, the .1%.
What the fuck does any f this have to do with slash dot?
It's ok to be a murdering thug if you wear a badge, right?
Disgusting.
Fuck the judicial system when it does not reflect my personal prejudices, amirite?
The training is not about shooting a shoplifter, it is about being capable of deterring a threat should it happen. Wilson didn't ask to be beaten. He didn't ask Brown to take his gun. He merely asked Brown to walk on the damn sidewalk. But Brown decided to escalate. This is THIS situation which is taught. It should be taught in every single school, alongside the handling of firearms. Criminals would think twice before being criminals... All in all, an armed society is a polite and civil society..
Don't mobs make you nervous?
Historically we had the witchcraft trials, the Inquisition, the Crusades, Hitler and so many others. Ordinary people hysterically afraid of some imagined evil and lead by a charismatic or powerful person to do unspeakable things.
In our own lives we've seen mobs in high school cliques, at football games, in the middle east, and in response to events like this shooting where media and instigators fuel the flames of insanity.
Kinda makes me wish that people would learn to think for themselves and not just follow the loudest angry voice they hear.
...omphaloskepsis often...
With an equally powerful rebuttal from... brad1138@yahoo.com? Who the fuck is that? Exactly. Posting AC or not on Slashdot is moot.
Versus doing what? If they genuinely believe that the state has conspired to allow a murder to be unpunished because the victim was black and the murderer was a policeman, and that this kind of thing has gone on for centuries and will carry on, what were they supposed to do which would be more effective? Some sit ins, and a pithy chant would have achieved nothing, these riots are at least bringing the antipathy between some communities and the police to the front pages and maybe they'll be addressed.
Stealing cigars from a convenience store and pushing the owner around is also disgusting, but not to you.
Unlike civil or criminal juries, grand juries get only one side of the story. They are an easily manipulated system for rubber stamping the prosecutor's foregone conclusion. In this case, the prosecutor's office decided that their law enforcement partner was ok, and the public will never get to see the full story.
Were you born stupid, or have you been in training all your life?
'Cause you're off-the-scale stupid.
Of course, your hero Adolf Hitler would be proud of you.
It's ok to be a murdering thug if you wear a badge, right?
Disgusting.
There was no murder involved in this case. The police officer shot the real thug in self-defense.
It is disgusting that you have this wrong given the presentation of information at the announcement, perhaps even "pathetic."
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
That's "Jewish Lightning" Get your dated anti-Semetic terms right.
Why are Americans so obsessed with race and skin colour? It seems that in every incedent, the skin colour of everyone involved is mentioned and is seen as somehow part of the issue at hand. Why is this?
Unless the gun had a CPU, how on earth does this have anything to do with science or technology or RPGs or any other nerd type news?
These witnesses were friends of the deceased, gave conflicting statements and then recanted when confronted with the testimony of other bystanders and the physical evidence.
"There were multiple witnesses saying that Mike Brown had his hands up and was not attacking Darren Wilson when he was shot."
and nine must vote in favor of an indictment for there to be one.
Jurors have to decide whether there is probable cause to believe Wilson committed a crime. The standard is lower than a jury trial in criminal court, where jurors must determine whether there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed.
This type of kneejerk reaction is why we can't have nice things.
Here's a test.. if the cop were black would you even know this happened? NOPE! If one Brown's, black, thug buddies had shot him dead (as would have likely happened if this hadn't) would you know this happened? NOPE! This is about a white cop defending himself against a black thug that tried to grab his gun for being asked to move to the side of the street rather than strutting down the middle of it blocking traffic. An arrogant, out of control 18 year old with a big problem with authority. Brown was an idiot punk and got what comes to those that are stupid and arrogant and attack an armed person.... Justice.
As far as I know, the American police used to use a lot more blunt force -- flashlights, billy clubs, night sticks, beavertail saps, sap gloves -- to subdue people.
Over the past few decades, and especially since Rodney King's beating, blunt force seems to be off the menu. It has been somewhat replaced by the Taser, but their cost and the increasing awareness of the risk of death seems to have blunted (sorry) its use.
I wonder if the elimination of blunt force from the police toolkit has somehow led to a situation where "if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" kind of a situation, where the police have come to see many situations that may have in the past been responded to with blunt force instead getting treated as a situation to shoot.
Physical confrontations without the use of an alternate weapon often boil down to wrestling matches which can quickly become a pulled gun or a struggle for an officer's gun, and many times a physical struggle is justified as a reason to shoot.
None of this to say that people weren't beaten for unjust reasons, but they also weren't killed, either.
When cops carried blunt force weapons they also knew how to use them in a way to inflict pain in a way that gained submission but also in a way that avoided major injury, since major injury didn't necessarily work in their favor. They seemed to have a spectrum of force available instead of a binary choice of shooting or not shooting.
This story belongs somewhere else....
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In this particular time, MY life is worth a hell lot more than yours.
That's subjective.
No. What led to this was a failing economy that started with a dot.com bust in 2000, recovery on hold from 911, and exasperated downhill from then on to today. Now we have an entire generation of children and young adults that are left both uneducated and unemployed. Now add the 5+ million illegal immigrants that will be competing for the same jobs that these people can only do (and Hispanics have a far better work ethic) and it will only get worse. And I haven't even gone into depth about inflation and the widening wealth gap (disparity) that threatens to turn America into a "have" and have/not society with a thin marginal middle class. It's the perfect storm that's destroying America.
Life is not for the lazy.
the prosecutor failed to recuse himself even though he has a definite history of siding with police and being lax in regards to charging or investigating them. you cant really say he did his level best to preserve the ideals of justice. he slow walked the entire process, didnt explain things in court for the record, there were leaks to the press from his office, all damning and prejudicial to the proceedings...
I'd be content to accept the official desicion if there werent so many problems with this particular Grand Jury proceeding.
and the physical evidence may seem to point towards it being justified, but that also doesnt excuse the fact this particular police department has a history of racial abuse, and that they reacted extremely poorly to the protests, putting further racial animus on display, caught on camera by the press. this incident was simply the tipping point for this town.
unfortuantely that whole discussion has been lost int he noise over Brown/Wilson, and rather than having the discussion they need to have, its going to go on the back burner. and erupt again further down the road.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
so you're saying that special rules apply to big people in interactions with agents of the government?
that big people have fewer rights in said interactions, a lesser right to expect fair and just treatment?
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
It's ok to be a thug who roughs up old shopkeepers to steal form them, and then punch a cop and try to grab a gun? I'm supposed to feel sorry at the death of that kind of low life?
Brown was just trying to "spread the wealth"!
Then an obviously-racist cop stopped him (Wilson is white and Brown was black, so racism on Wilson's part is automatically a fact). Brown was simply defending himself against being prevented from "sharing" more of other people's hard-earned wealth. Brown is a warrior of Social Justice and an obvious victim of racism! /sarc
The cognitive dissonance displayed here by Brown supporters is stunning. The reality-distortion field generated rivals that of Apple/Jobs.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
This is a very important factual point that's often overlooked in these debates. To everyone reading this: if you don't understand exactly what the "use of force" laws are in your jurisdiction and how they apply to citizens and police (usually differently), you're doing yourself a disservice in life, and it could be a costly one. The basic breakdown goes like this: In normal confrontations between citizens, whoever escalates by using Force or Deadly Force before the other is responsible for the bad outcome. Cops are usually allowed by the legal system to sit one rank higher on that scale by default because of the nature of their job. They can use Force at will without facing Assault charges, and they can use Deadly Force in response to mere Force. That means if you so much as punch a cop, he has a legal right to shoot in response. He may face professional consequences for abusing this, but in general he doesn't face legal consequences.
That means that within the context of the existing system, which isn't going away anytime soon and therefore one must know how to navigate to get by in life, you *cannot* assault a police officer. Doing so is taking your life in your own hands. That's how the system works. Cops *are* above the law to a degree by definition, and you ignore that and assault them at your own peril.
Because I understand this, I understand (like the grand jury) that this is a pretty open and shut case: Michael assaulted an officer and got justifiably shot. The details beneath that level (which in any ethical sense skew in favor of the officer's view of events and justified self-defense anyways) don't have any real legal teeth. Case closed, legal system is fine with it. Don't assault a fucking officer if you want to live.
Unfortunately, this isn't some isolated case of bad policy that can be "fixed". Given all the other constraints of how our modern society and government work, there's simply no way for cops to be effective and reasonably-safe while doing their jobs without this extra legal grant on the use of force. While I'm not fond of the outcome of it either, I realize that it's not something that can be fixed by adjusting that policy. If you left everything else the same and took away cops' additional force rights, the system would break down and not function correctly.
You should still be concerned about this state of affairs. This is one of the clearest examples of how Governments (all governments, everywhere on the globe throughout history) abuse their monopoly on the use of force to maintain power over the masses in order to exploit them for a few rich and very manipulative souls at the top of the food chain. If you want to end tyranny, don't attack the poor cops who are as much stuck in this system and enslaved by our overlords as the rest of us.
Throw the fucking bums out. All forms of government are unethical by nature and always work against the net will of the people it governs. Man is better off without a Government. If you think that's crazy talk, because you think various practicalities of the form "How would we X? Who would maintain the Y? What if Z?" mean that we require a government, that's your indoctrination speaking. That's why you went to public school all those years, and that's why the news says the things it says. These are all to reinforce the idea that you need Government in your life or things would fall apart. Wake up and step out of the Matrix!
I understand that the Ferguson case is a important topic but Slash dot is a tech site. This news report has no place on this site. Let the other news media cover it.
So if I'm a cop and I find big black people threatening, I can kill them all? Or just ones that I have a reason to? So if I find one that I want to kill, I can start an altercation to allow me to kill them? Jay walking? Kill him. Upset with me stopping him with no probable cause? Kill him. Listening to loud music? Kill him.
Those damn uppity niggers, always thinking they can have civil rights!
Instead of ranting about whether a cop was being fair or not consider what the cop is trained to do. If a situation gets to the point where a shot is fired cops do not stop shooting until the suspect is on the ground and unable to move. So we have a situation in which the offender was shot at close range and then started backing off. The cop did exactly what he is trained and required to do. He kept shooting until the offender was on the ground and still. So all the nonsense about federal charges or civil rights charges will not be a matter of the officer's actions but will be an issue of whether he was following the materials and teachings he was required to follow. And yes, even throwing one punch at a cop does justify deadly force.
Commie bastards — anybody with a Che Guevara T-shirt or a red flag — deserves to be hung from a lamp post until their feet stop kicking.
Followers of the single most murderous school of thought known to humanity — even Hitler's peculiar branch of Fascism being but a distant second — have their minds infected and their demonstrations and protests help spread and perpetuate the infection.
They should be quarantined and culled — to let the healing begin. Please, don't hate.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Nothing to add to what you said just this : "or if he smoked pot" actually it is known that there was no detectable trace of intoxicant in his blood : there was a toxicology report , I read it, and it all reads as negative (creatinine was high also, means the sample was relevant e.g. : not botched).
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"If I've heard right, that's how most cops get killed, their own gun"
You've heard wrong. Most cops are killed in car accidents. Apparently they don't like to wear seat belts.
Oh, so now its attempted murder?
So you were there then? Cause youve said an awful lot of statements of a factual nature that are not backed by any testimony anywhere.
And I note that you've elevated the charges against Brown several times int eh course of this thread.
In fact, you've even made the determination that he wasnt innocent, and he was a criminal, even though that's factually accurate as he never went to trial.
And you have no apparent knowledge of the concept of disproportionate force, something that police theoretically need to deal with.
And you call yourself a libertarian....but apparently its ok with you if the state uses ultiamte force to strip you of your ultimate rights...if youre black and big.
And yuove suggested that being killed is simply "his due" as a "petty theif"....but you call yourself a libertarian.
And in the past youve denigrated women and accused them attacking "manhood" by existing.
And you would only hire attractive women.
And have no problem with discrimination.
And women who speak up are feminazis.
Buddy, you're not a libertarian.
You're jsut a typical racist, sexist conservative.
Like most "libertarians".
You're just another of /.'s resident racist/sexist bigots.
Nothing you say is of relevence.
forthwith:
Yes it is, in today's society sexism is inappropriate.
Only if feminist/sjw achieve their petty agenda, but they won't get there without a fight. None of us wanted that fight, but we are left with no chance but to try to protect our [...]
Because equal rights is a "petty agenda". Because ending discrimination is a "petty agenda".
Really?
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
youve been listening to too many conservatives if you believe those people are anyones heroes.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I wasnt aware that trial, sentencing, and execution were part of his job.
Or yours.
He's a police officer, not Judge Dredd.
And you're neither.
1. He admitted the store robbery, go read that 180 page pdf up there.
2. The cop is the only one alive, witness says he pulled up and grabbed him
3. He was running, second shot made him turn, then he was shot more as he was raising his hands, at least that's the impression I get from the testimony..
4. Inside the car is possible if the officer grabbed the suspect as the witness states, he would have been very close to the window.
Go read the testimony.
It's a pretty clear case of the police escalating.. for sure the kid did some dumb shit.. but nothing that seems to justify more than a visit to prison, and maybe a criminal record.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Without his gun, he probably would ave dealt with the situation in an entirely different manner, and neither of them would be dead.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
The punching and gun grabbing is not in the testimony of the other man who was right there, only in the police declaration..
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
What the fuck does this have to do with technology? This is regular news we can get from literally any other source.
The hitting him (cop's words), trying to grab his gun (cop's words), getting shot at least once while unarmed, then possibly shot again while running. I don't see why any of this makes him a thug except for the fact that he's black.. and people like you (and the cop) are awfully scared of blacks.
What if the cop escalated?, have you read the pdf?
P.S. I didn't get much of that impression from the 180 pdf containing the testimony of the GUY WHO WAS STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO Brown for the entirety of this incident. Maybe he was lying, maybe the cop was lying.. I think I trust the cop less.
You're quite correct, the use of flashlights impact weapons had become more and more frowned upon, likely due to an combination of abusive officers and pain compliance techniques making people (the ones watching I mean, but certainly the ones on the receiving end too) feel bad. Unfortunately in moving away from that option, an officer that has to choose between throwing his back out wrestling with someone and reaching for that gun is going to be doing a lot more killing. Plus the thing that just makes this all the worse are the current generation of police that want to play soldier with their counter-terrorism toys.
Exactly.
A landmark national issue and the quality of comments on Slashdot are the shittiest they've ever been.
The comments around here aren't worth taking the time to read them anymore.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
Slashdot users are predominantly African American. There are a lot of insightful comments that address the grievances of African Americans and why they might have experienced displeasure with the US justice system. We learn the extent some might wish to express displeasure though various means, correct or not, with the ruling. Slashdot taught me to understand the dissent, though I may or may not agree with it. Finally, Slashdot offers hope to attain a means of peaceful conflict resolution.
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
To give people a chance to be *home* instead of stuck in school, at work, or in traffic when the unrest started. I'm happy to say that there was less burning and looting than I expected based on the *original* round of rioting, but there was still *far* too much of it.
For all those "already made up your mind about the cop" people, haven't you also already made up your mind? That's a pretty weak argument.
Have you heard the audio of the shooting? 7 seconds, including a 2 second pause in the middle.
And why were these arrest warrants issued? Hint: they very likely did not pay their traffic tickets. When as you point out, 67.4% of residents are black, then it is likely that a majority of these warrants would go to blacks (2:1 just on demographics). If you are claiming disproportionately more, you need some sort of statistic to demonstrate that. If it is because non-blacks pay their tickets more promptly, consider me unmoved by that disproportional statistic.
Oh? Punching is attempted murder? If that even happened -- the only statements of any aggression on the behalf of the deceased comes from the cop, who just so happens to have a very strong motive for making such statements.
Odd. I don't see assault being tried as attempted murder very often. I guess bar brawls are full of murderers, according to you. I'm sure when someone shows up at your door asking for help, you see that as a threat (especially if their black), and pull out your gun to protect your home as well, right? Get ahold of yourself you fucking nutcase.
Was the audio not a factor? I've never heard that it was invalidated.
7 seconds of shooting including a 2 second pause in the middle. Do the math.
The leftist reverence for a proven thug is disgusting. Time to face reality. Your innocent angel strong-arm robbed a store and then attacked a police officer, punching him in the face and tried to grab his gun before finally trying to charge him.
"Free Mumia 2: Electric Boogaloo"
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
And should be confronted by society. Contrary to popular belief, the Police is still a civilian force. No special rules or exemptions should apply,
Nothing in this thread seems technology related, but I noticed a few things last night.
One of the things I enjoyed was the number of citizen journalists there streaming from their phones. It allowed a wide variety of perspectives and it was quite interesting to see the raw uncensored footage from people there. Some were down the streets, some were with looters, some were watching fires, and some were getting their ass kicked.
My favourite was when BassemMasri's ustream was streaming and his phone got jacked during the broadcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
around 2:30 you can see his phone grabbed and run off with still streaming.
The exchange at the end is great:
Woman: What's that?
Woman: What you running for?
Woman: What you got?
Woman: Let me check it out
Man: Huh
Woman: Are you (running?)
Man: iPhone 6
Woman: Huh?
Man: iPhone 6
Woman: Where'd you get it from
Man: Some nigga
I'm a satanic clam.
Citation needed. There is ZERO evidence that Mao was a net positive. The only people who think otherwise are ideologues who believe that communism is inherently good and benevolent regardless of it's actual effects, and despite the totalitarianism inherent in it's basic definition. "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability" has no room whatsoever for freedom of choice.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
Yeah, I get it. Some people are upset with the decision.
But how does that justify looting and destroying other people's property?
How does one make the mental link between the decision of the jury and destroying other people's cars, stores, and public spaces?
Something in that culture has to really change.
mr brown punched a cop in the face in his cop car and tried to get his gun. the gun went off twice in the struggle.
mr brown runs down the street but mr brown hears cop say stop. mr brown stops but prbably decides fuck it and charges back to the cop 21 feet.
the cop shoots him.
where in this world do you think you cann attack a police officer and get away with it.
go loot some more
What does this have to do with science and technology?
This just proves it. Except it's the asshats like rev whats-his-face keeping it alive, spurring racial arguments by accusing white people every time they have a confrontation with a minority. What bull$hit. Way to go Ferguson, you just ruined your own town. I hope every business that was damaged by you dumb-asses does not rebuild, leaving you with nothing. I hope the damages are taken out of your welfare checks, I hope they prosecute every one of you that f'd up your own town. Racism was slowly being irradiated but you just set progress back 100 years.
If you assault me, unarmed or not, I'm likely to kill you if I'm carrying. Don't like it? Don't assault me. What is so difficult to understand about this?
of course there wasnt because the DA failed to articulate a specific narrative and presented all sorts of conflicting evidence. as the GP said, he threw the case.
The hitting him (cop's words),
backed up with scientific evidence
trying to grab his gun (cop's words),
backed up with scientific evidence
getting shot at least once while unarmed, then possibly shot again while running.
even though the scientific evidence proves that brown was running toward the hero police office.
I don't see why any of this makes him a thug except for the fact that he's black.. and people like you (and the cop) are awfully scared of blacks.
You don't see why this thug is a thug?
What if the cop escalated?, have you read the pdf?
P.S. I didn't get much of that impression from the 180 pdf containing the testimony of the GUY WHO WAS STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO Brown for the entirety of this incident. Maybe he was lying, maybe the cop was lying.. I think I trust the cop less.
I trust scientific evidence over blind rabid hatred that idiots like per towards the cops.
Really? Allowing Chiang Kai-shek to fight the Japanese while he kept his forces in reserve so he could conquer China after the war did exactly what for the Chinese? Gave them another 20 million dead, that's what. Stalin is a similar story. He did nothing for the Soviet Union, even his deal with Hitler blew up in his face.
Millions died solely as a result of their actions, nothing else.
We can all agree on one thing - there should be cameras in EVERY police car so we can see the truth for ourselves!
To be fair, I have no problem with them burning down the McDonald's. Don't know about the pizza place, some of those are pretty crappy.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I think the flashlight-as-impact-weapon was just a brief stopover on the trip away from using more traditional blunt force weapons. Take away a baton and suddenly a 6 D-cell mag light is the new baton, unfortunately with characteristics more of a lead-filled blackjack than a high-impact plastic PR-24 "tonfa".
I kind of think that the increasing tactical fetishism of police is almost kind of a symptom as much as it is a cause of police violence. To a certain extent the increasing vilification of the police and the removal of intermediate force from their toolkit has increased their siege mentality, leading to a subverted kind of frustration that plays out in them getting soldiered up.
Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot wrong with policing, but the wholesale denial going on in "the community" doesn't help either -- treating every police interaction as a wholesale denial of civil rights and refusing to acknowledge minority-on-minority criminality or treating it as some kind of excusable byproduct of discrimination only makes the situation worse.
Move to Seattle. Here we're up in arms over the use of blunt force. We'd rather the police carry boxing glove and padded bats around with them and just let the criminal leave. In Seattle, calling the police to report that your car was broken into is more of a crime than the actual breaking and stealing.
trying to grab his gun (cop's words),
backed up with scientific evidence
What scientific evidence? residue and blood is not proof that he reached for a gun, just that his thumb was within a specific amount of range to the gun, typically in the feet range.
getting shot at least once while unarmed, then possibly shot again while running.
even though the scientific evidence proves that brown was running toward the hero police office.
It does not prove that he was running towards the police officer, it proves he was facing the officer.
I trust scientific evidence over blind rabid hatred that idiots like per towards the cops.
No you dont. You made the evidence fit your idea of what happened to justify your rabid hatred for a specific group.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
The feds are 3 months into their 'civil rights' investigation and have all but conceded they is no case to be made... To cover their bases, they are also investigating 20 other police departments, 'fishing' for something to do (never let a crisis go to waste).
Ken
ONG! Now Ferguson is a food desert!
Ken
This isn't about race; it is about the militarization of police power.
Yesterday a policeman, officer Darren Wilson, was no-billed for shooting an unarmed man, Michael Brown. The incident began when the policeman objected to the unarmed man walking in the middle of the street. Today we learn that, if you jaywalk, it is OK for the police to kill you.
Consider Military Police(MP). MPs police soldiers and sailors; they go to great lengths to avoid injuring them and especially they don't kill them. If an MP kills a soldier, he will almost certainly be brought to trial; there will be hell to pay. And so it should be for civilian police and civilians.
The Ferguson grand jury verdict once again affirms that, should a person not immediately follow an officer's directive or should the officer fear being scratched by someone, the officer has the right to kill that person. That is completely upside-down.
Firstly, decades of statistics show that being a police officer is far safer than most other jobs. How do I know that? I worked for a major U.S. city's police department for years. Not as a cop but as a software developer. I worked with their department of statistics and I spent time with their researchers and analysts.
Nonetheless, being a police officer involves getting up in peoples' faces sometimes. Barroom scenes come to mind; there is a segment of the male population who think a good fight on Saturday night is a fun time.
There was a day when police/sheriffs accepted that they might occasionally get hurt as part of their job. But police getting killed on the job has always been a statistical rarity. Most policemen who remain in a department retire early and then die of heart attacks and cancer, just as non-police do. When police unions moan and weep about how dangerous their job is, they're almost always politicking for a raise. Fact is, their lives are safer than yours or mine. Most officers, in their careers, never draw their sidearm at all for a criminal incident.
There was a day when civilian police accepted the occasional tussle as part of the job. But more and more frequently police have adopted a "zero-tolerance" stance - if a perpetrator threatens them in any manner whatsoever then the police feel justified in using maximal/deadly force. This is militarization - the citizen is the enemy and to be given no quarter; a policeman's life is priceless - a civilian's life is worthless. This is wrong, wrong, wrong.
Police/sheriff/authorities should be held to a higher level of behavior than ordinary citizens, not a lower one. Certainly Darren Wilson was in for a rumble when Michael Brown turned on him. Certainly he faced injury. After all, Brown was a bigger man and, as every child knows, the big guy usually wins.
But was officer Wilson's back against the wall? Between the time he directed Brown to get out of the road until (and even after) he drew his gun he had hundreds of non-lethal options, including leaving the scene. This incident dramatically and fatally demonstrates how incompetent and poorly prepared Darren Wilson was to be a police officer. He should never again be allowed a position of policing responsibility.
At the beginning I said "This isn't just about race...", so what does race bring to it? It makes it easier to stereotype the people involved.
It would have been just as much a crime were Michael Brown a white man. I, because of officer Wilson's and others' bad behavior, fear being killed by out-of-control police.
Just because you end all of your posts now with "don't hate" doesn't mean we don't know who the hell you are. It might fool the noobs but us long-timers know you're one of the biggest haters on here. You'd ecstatically scream "Please, don't hate" every time you pulled the trigger on your AR15 because you'd jizz your pants since you "legally" got to kill a nigger. You make me sick and I see what you do here. All of your words are just feigned bullshit and it reeks.
The Zimmerman defense, but even worst. I am going to attack you, but if you defend youself and attack me then I am going kill you because I am scared for my life. If you dont like it then dont resist, I mean assault me.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Why, the unchallengeable phantasmic aura of his bias.
Christ, there are enough real examples of police brutality against minorities without having to resort to one that appears so dubious.
There are more than enough real examples of criminals fighting with the cops (take a look at some DIVR videos sometime) without having to resort to an excuse that appears so dubious. Besides that, the scientific evidence backs up Wilson's account.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
This.. Well said. I've never seen confirmation bias run so amuck on this site before.
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
Physical confrontations without the use of an alternate weapon often boil down to wrestling matches which can quickly become a pulled gun or a struggle for an officer's gun
It doesn't even take a physical struggle. The cops are so edgy/trigger happy it's nuts. I am a white university professor, live in a predominantly white community, and these "guardians of the peace" have their hand on the gun half the time they talk to me, and unholstered a gun a few times during routine traffic stops. Not to mention very aggressive conversational tone.
The last time a cop got shot in my town was over a decade ago. So whatever their reason for acting like aggressive goons, it's not the concern for their safety.
Sometimes people don't take you seriously and won't change their ways until you start breaking some shit. What does everyone say about bullies? Eventually if you stand up to them and whip their ass for once, they'll leave you the hell alone and go on to easier pickings. Don't act like this is all bullshit either, those crying about this are the first ones to stand up and want to exercise their second amendment rights. They'll get out all of those precious 4 boxes and open em up. Well obviously the Jury box didn't satisfy their desires and they've just opened up the Ammo box instead since, ya know, the cops opened that one years ago. Why is it ok when the white rednecks open theirs but it's Armageddon when the "niggers" do it? I live in the South. This is what I get to hear all day. The poor folks are finally standing up to the bullies and all the white folks are locking the doors and hiding their daughters. It's pathetic.
The witnesses lied. The witnesses are responsible for most of what is going on.
The grand jury didn't indict him because hes a human who was defending himself. Humans are allowed to, expected to use lethal force when attacked.
FTFY
Just another day in Paradise
A lot of the buildings in the area date back to the 1950's, so limited sprinklers is reasonable.
What scientific evidence? residue and blood is not proof that he reached for a gun, just that his thumb was within a specific amount of range to the gun, typically in the feet range.
Yes it is proof. That's why this hero cop isn't going to trial.
Enough with this left/right villain worship bullshit.
The axis we need to be using is the authoritarian/non-authoritarian divide, the one from scientific literature, which does a much better job in dividing the heroes from the villains on each side, and separates crappy places to live from good ones.
Whenever you have a manipulative leadership without conscience that knows how to pander to an easily outraged following that will be loyal almost without limit, bad things happen.
We need to do what we can to stop these assholes from taking control of anything they can lay their hands on, whether it's the police force, social justice, government office, and especially our workplaces.
The evidence that you are using is so flimsy as to be absurd. there are more logical and plausible reasons for the residue. And there was nothing this cop did that made him a hero, but keep believing that AC.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Facts say other wise and this hero rid the world of another thug. Hopefully he will one rid the world of idiots like you too.
I smell ignorant paranoid FUD from an unimaginative bigot
The officer said he aimed at Michael's head and shot him for the last time. It's interesting because all arguments I've seen were that police cannot aim to maim as it's impossible. If one can hit a head one should be able to hit another body part- no?
Preach on brotha! I hate it when I have too many perspectives to choose from!
At least the PC culture is thriving it seems.
They need to burn the expensive parts of town. And IEDs - that'd put a new spin on he same old shit. Little IRA magic for these militarized pigs. They want a war? Ok then.
you should read a little about how grand juries work.
Just read the first few pages. Trust me, it's worth a few minutes of your time.
today everyone on the internet got their law degrees.
So you are just a troll, got it.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
RE: The last time a cop got shot in my town was over a decade ago.
AND: So whatever their reason for acting like aggressive goons, it's not the concern for their safety.
Like many University professors, and most people, you have reversed cause and effect.
No, this is not a tiger-rock scenario. An aggressive posture, backed up by legal and physical force, is in fact an effective deterrent to having your side killed.
Compare: Vietnam vs. Iraq
There are plenty of places people can argue over this and call each other racists or whatever. This is a tech site. People of different political views get along just fine in IT. You can tell true techies when you have a feminist/communist and you have a tea party nazi screaming at people and practically drooling because they agree on a technology solution. You guys can go hate on each other all over the place. Lets just hate each other over technical stuff!.
Given that you're quoting me out of context, I'm not even gonna dignify that with a response.
Hasn't the KKK (or what's left of it) been way more concerned with "The Jews" than blacks for, like, decades now?
Neither do I.
Isn't it sad how in these situations the parents always seem to say "He was a good boy."
How would this have been different with good parenting? you know, like tell him to pull his damn pants up, tuck his shirt in, and get a damn job and do the right thing?
saying he was a good boy doesn't make it so. stealing cigars and assaulting a someone in a convenience store does show him to be scum. I get that they lost their son but then didn't they really lose him when they decided not to teach him to be a respectable citizen?
Transcripts and additional evidence: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/11/us/ferguson-grand-jury-docs/index.html
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it by not dying. - Woody Allen
Our cops need to quit being pussies. The best (from a technical standpoint) cops I've ever met were the Japanese Police. The time frame is 1997 so things may be different now. They did not carry sidearms. I do believe they had a rifles and such in the trunk, but all they carried on their persons was a night stick. That is all they needed. While American cops sit around the station getting fat on donuts, JPs are getting blackbelts. They are real ninjas. They do not need a gun to deal with you. The guy (cause that's all I ever saw, don't know if they have women JPs) would tell you ONE time to do something and if you weren't steppin, you unexpectedly found your ass on the ground, and if you twitched the wrong way, you got an ass beating with the stick. The overall point is, you took that ass beating, but you were alive unlike here you end up shot even while handcuffed (not claiming this happened in this case!). The over riding theme was, as a soldier (Army, Torii Station), I'd give the MPs/SPs bullshit all the time, but you DID NOT fuck with the JPs. They make Marines look like cry babies.
Now that you put it that way, I would add that it makes sense why US police seem to opt for lethal force. When you have a gun, you can be reckless. In the same way that George Zimmerman felt able to stalk a kid who was much bigger than him. He had a gun, so he could take more risks with himself. Except that when cops (or Zimmerman) take risks with themselves, they are also taking risks with the lives of the people they are confronting. And that is the really unacceptable bit.
In the UK (and many other countries), the police do not have guns, therefore they have to take rather more care in dealing with potentially dangerous situations. People dying in police confrontations is incredibly rare in the UK, in part because the police do not believe they are outmatching their targets. Therefore, they will avoid escalating any situation until they know they can absolutely control it.
Whenever a policeman (or woman) resorts to firing his gun, especially against an unarmed person, then they have lost control, and many times, it is their fault that they have lost that control.
The grand jury is just as likely to be corrupt, and/or incompetent, and/or prejudiced, as the rest of the people involved with, and directed by, the systemically flawed justice system we have today. In addition, even assuming 100% competence on their part, the data that reached them can be (and often is) washed to provide a particular desired outcome.
The only takeaway I get from all this noise is that we'd be somewhat better off if police officers wore tamper-resistant AV recording gear when on duty (and in any jurisdiction that assigns them 24/7 authority, on duty or not, they should be wearing those cameras 24/7 as well. Personally, I think 24/7 authority is also a Very Bad Idea.)
There is no question that some individual police officers, and some groups of police, are corrupt. Given the seriousness of the authority and responsibility assigned to them, and their ability to ruin lives and families in a heartbeat, letting them run loose without any independent oversight seems like a very serious mistake to me, particularly now that monitoring their activities is well within the bounds of technical feasibility.
A bad cop is a horrible thing. It's also long past time for the blue wall of silence to creep its slimy ass into the black hole of history to join with some of humanity's other bottom-feeder behaviors.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Have you heard of self-defense ? It's not about being trial, sentencing and execution, it is about stopping an imminent threat and the preservation of MY life.
And the fact that the main witness (the co-store robber) had previous issues with being a lying SOB?
Or the witnesses that supported the officers side?
Or the physical evidence inside the vehicle, outside the vehicle, on the officers clothing, in the officers busted up face?
This country is falling apart due to RACISM! card being called at every corner, despite the fact that the majority of black deaths are Black on Black. This country is falling apart because people are proud to get a welfare check instead of working. This country is falling apart because individuals are reward for being unmarried and irresponsible. It is falling apart because the barrier to leaving the governments plantation is a bar to high for many. It's failing because illegal immigrants are deemed more important than unemployed minorities. More and more money is being pulled from Earners and given to worthless non-productive segments.
It's not falling apart due to two cases of provably non-racist white on black crime (Treyvon - Zimmerman is provably non racist - and Michael - provably a criminal and not a "gentle boy").
As far as I know, the American police used to use a lot more blunt force -- flashlights, billy clubs, night sticks, beavertail saps, sap gloves -- to subdue people.
Not sure when and where this was. When I was a kid it was perfectly acceptable for a cop to shoot you dead if you were running away and suspected of a felony. Of course once you are dead everybody only has the cop's word that you were suspected of a felony. So as a white kid, I had "the talk" about never ever running from a cop. (Non-white kids of course had to balance the danger of running with the danger of not running).
"probably"... [sic]
It's about a 6'4" 250lb trying to overrun a physically smaller cop. Look at Wilson, no muscle, weak shape. He didn't stood a chance against brown without a gun. Here, the gun is merely an equalizer of force.
He was in a running car, confronted by people who were unarmed. He rolled down his window and left his car. If he were to have simply driven off and waited for backup, he'd have died how? OR are you saying that after he got out of the car and charged the two people, if he were unarmed at that point, he'd have been in trouble. Yes, and if I hopped into the tiger cage at the zoo and poked the tiger, I'd be in trouble too. Doesn't mean we should give guns to all zoo goers, and put ladders up to make climbing into the tiger cage easier.
Learn to love Alaska
He attacked the suspects first. If he were unarmed, he'd have waited for the backup he supposedly called. And everyone would be alive. Unarmed cops are safer for themselves and others.
Learn to love Alaska
The question is, will you run in armed, cornering them before they attack, or drive a car at them, shouting threats at them, before you "innocently" get attacked by the people you are harassing, and have to fight back with deadly force you happen to keep on you for just such occasions.
Learn to love Alaska
The hit is taken by the store owners and their landlords. [Insurance usually has escape clauses for riots.]
Just heard on the news that more than half of the stores destroyed last night in Fergusun were minority owned, too. (I think it was actually "black owned" but I'm not sure.)
IMHO the main point of the burning is so that, once the stores have been looted, the evidence of who did it is largely destroyed. Video survelience tapes, fingerprints, serial number records, ...
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Yes, just like the time cars were burned and businesses ransacked during a riot.... over a football game being lost. Or pumpkins at a fall festival. Or a child-rapist abetting coach being fired.
Frankly, white people have rioted over multiple pointless causes in the past two years.
Think about that for a minute.
Then compare to the anger they are feeling over a LEO NOT going to trial as he should for shooting an unarmed teenager.
So yeah. Let's see, beloved coach that abetted child rapes vs a constant trend of outright murders of black people... which seems more justified to riot about?
I... don't.... care..... !
This is not PBS/news.com.au/the sun/The today show/60 minutes/whatever traditional news source you care to mention.
I want TECH news... NERD news... not general stuff that may be world-news-making but completely IRRELEVANT to this audience.
Dice... fuck off with you continual slashvertisements and poor editorial standards.
I've finally had enough. My UID can go stale because you will not see me again...
Actually, looking at fire code laws, Missouri does not have any requirement for sprinkler systems.
That's the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Their fire code is horrible.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
YOU are the idiot making this about race. Anyone that robs a store and then attacks an officer would be shot in the same manner.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
The evidence is clear, the cop did his job. But so many have already made their minds up, they won't listen to it. I am actually very surprised that there are so many on Slashdot that can't see that.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
Continued training and education is always good, I don't disagree with your point. I don't know how Darren Wilson could have defended himself with "higher standards". If you are in fear for your life, who are we to judge how he defends himself (not that there was anything wrong with the way he did).
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
The prosecutor presented all witness testimony. All of it. And he most certainly did present that evidence, he also presented why he didn't find it credible.
The PROSECUTING attorney said why the suspect was probably not guilty.
THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM!
The prosecuter's job is to prosecute, not defend. That's the DEFENSE'S job. Also, everyone the prosecution calls is a witness in legal terms. But anyone who saw shit and doesn't get called isn't a witness. The prosecutor was clearly not trying to get an indictment.
Of the 116,000 federal grand juries convened last year, 11 failed to find probable cause. 11 out of 116,000. That's near pentium F00F levels.
The reason Wilson isn't being indicted is because he's a cop. Have a trial, have a jury, and for the love of FSM, stop this BS where cops don't have to give a statement until a month later. Black kids who shoot white cops don't get the benefit of the doubt in being truthful if they take a month to give their side of the story.
Speaking as a big person, I'm going to have to go with:
Yeah, pretty much.
When it comes right down to it, any individual needs to be aware of themselves, and how they present themselves to the world. I, as a large person, am well aware that I can influence peoples perception of me, simply by the way I carry myself. It is a simple matter of posture and expression that changes me from 'big ole teddy bear' to 'menacing lumberjack from hell.' which is sure as shit not the persona I whip out if i'm being confronted by the police.
this is not restricted to 'big people' either. small wiry people can present a dangerous and menacing persona, dependent on an entirely different set of perceptions. agitation, fast movements, anger, and the like can present a character that seems ready to lash out, and may be extremely quick and dangerous.
In all reality, the fact is, there may be a time and place to act like a macho tough shit badass, but it sure as hell is NOT "When being questioned by the cops".
I'm probably a racist bastard, but there is this whole 'gangster' and 'thug' culture that we seem to have cultivated and trust me, its jumped into every culture, its not a black or latino exclusive thing, its young people across the entire race spectrum. This stupid damn 'culture' that glorifies to various degrees a criminal lifestyle, does absolutely jack shit to train young people how to avoid doing stupid shit with authority figures. Sure, there are corrupt cops, but if you don't act like a stupid arrogant fuckbag when dealing with them, you usually get out clean, and even if you get hauled in, at least your alive to fight it in court, which is better than dead because you grabbed for a cops gun or some other assed out stupid action.
I've decided to Diversify my Holdings. I've divided my cash between my left and right pockets, instead of all in one.
^This.
Also, the sooner all police have cameras on them the better - for all concerned. Assuming Wilson is giving a completely accurate account, a video would make his life *massively* easier.
Direct action against a failed justice system would mean attacking the courts themselves, not some random shop owner.
There was a day when civilian police accepted the occasional tussle as part of the job.
and they dished out lots of beatings to the pieces of crap that deserved it. Can't have that in today's politically correct world. Leaving the scene...yeah..cops should leave the scene when confronted by criminals. What damn planet are you from? Yesterday's looting would be common place if that was the norm.
It is also why the UK has one of the highest violent crime rates in the western world because the criminals know that they can get away with lots of shit until a SWAT team is called in. They DO have guns and are just as trigger happy if not more so than US cops. IIRC, they shot some guy with a backpack in the tube because they thought he was a terrorist or something.
No, only you would conceive of these realities when the simplest solution is likely some high person simply needed more drug money and thinks stealing it is the solution.
Conceive of these? They are the actual events of people who "defended themselves" after deliberately chasing someone they thought dangerous. I didn't make them up. They are actual events.
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the point is you never hear a shooting justified as "he was small and wiry!"
but you often it jsutified because "he was huge!"
and im sorry but i dont care.
its one thing for a citizen to be intimidated by another citizen.
but not police.
if an officer is intimidated by an individuals size, and it might cause them to treat a person differently, particularly more likely to shoot them, then they shouldnt be a cop.
Equal treatment under the law by the representitives of that law.
There should be no special or different treatment based on race, appearance, or size.
It's OK to try and harm someone just because they are wearing a badge and talking to you?
Equally disgusting...
Because that's what the physical evidence, and now a grand jury who had ALL the facts, said.
What words were yelled out of the officer's mouth, at the boy. I can imagine that they certainly were not polite and provoking to a teenager. Perhaps the words nigger and thief, fxxker, bxxtard, mother-xxxxxx were yelled at him. This exchange between the boy who was outside of the police car, and the policeman who had the car for protection was not part of the evidence. But the population knows, and that is the reason for that rioting. Second point. The policeman did not follow the rules. You have to wait for your backup. I watched his telling of his story. Body language tells me a lot. He was guilty in face and body expression, and did not show being upset at the loss of life. "I was doing my job". Really
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites!
When the "terrorist" attacked the World Trade Center, did President Bush called for claim and peaceful demonstrations?
No fucking way! Americans wanted blood! Someone had to pay for this... anyone, Iraq will do. What? Who cares that they had nothing to do with the attacks.
Please give me a moment in history when Americans died and our response was a peaceful protest or our leaders called for a peaceful protest...PLEASE.
The only time Americans or America calls for peaceful demonstrations is when they are the wrong wrongdoers... Especially when dealing with the Black problem.
We understand that another one of you Blacks is dead from a white who will not be held responsible and you all are upset... we get that. Why don't ya'll sit peacefully, holding hands and singing We Shall Overcome until ya'll feel better.
Fuck that. Let them be Americans! Maybe when you get tired of them behaving like Americans you'll respect them as one.
When the grand jury verdict came in, I distinctly recall seeing and hearing the Brown father hollar :
BURN IT DOWN, BURN IT ALL DOWN ! ! !
More hanging on to the ledge than on the verge.
That's pretty risky; who knows which fumes could be released - some of that stuff they call food in there can be pretty unpleasant when heated.
Oddly though, the Medical Examiner, who normally takes photos of the deceased, did not take photos of Brown. His/her reason? The battery was flat on his/her camera.
Sometimes these things happen, but it strikes me as a little strange that he/she didn't have a spare battery, spare camera, or even a camera phone... and presumably didn't ask if anyone else at the scene had one either. Thus leaving a _slight_ evidence gap... which someone far more suspicious than myself might suggest is the kind of gap you need if you want to [ahem] massage the facts after the event.
First off, the camera phone almost certainly would not be acceptable for the ME's use here--do you really want to imagine the results of any leaks of autopsy photos? This is also why borrowed cameras of any type are a no-go.
Secondly, the lack of a spare battery? On the whole, outside of big cities ME's offices are so poorly funded it ought to be notorious. Because of the security and privacy issues, it's got to be an office camera. Because of this, odds are depressingly good that many Medical Examiners' officers have only got one camera, which was probably either donated by somebody or bought cheap, and unless it either uses a standard sized battery or came one then there are no spare batteries.
The gap isn't desirable in the least, but neither is the risk of leaks. Funding MEs better, and taking steps to ensure this can't easily be a problem, is the ideal course here.
Someone did manage to find a working camera to get photos of Darren Wilson's injuries though. Wilson has said that he had been hit twice by Brown and was of the opinion that a third punch "could be fatal if he hit me right". IMHO his injuries don't look... well, they're practically invisible, let's be honest! That's not to say he wasn't in a compromised position and felt in fear of his life, but I'm not completely convinced he was in any danger of being punched to death.
Punching somebody to death is actually disturbingly easy to do by accident, and one of the reasons trained fighters can be wary of untrained people in the ring--part of the training is actually to ensure you know how to use appropriate force. Blunt force, it turns out, is a blunt force solution with all that implies.
Injuries caused by blunt force, meanwhile, tend to take a while to 'blossom'--and I've known people who showed absolutely no sign externally for over a day, even when it was a rather significant injury. This is why it's actually not that weird for somebody to have what looks like it ought to have been a painful bruise to get, without a clue how they got it--and why you should never take the lack of external bruising or swelling as proof against if somebody thinks they may have a broken bone. (My aunt ended up walking on a broken leg for a day precisely because my grandmother made that mistake.)
(That's why the Koreans were on the roofs of their stores with guns during the Rodney King post-verdict activities in Los Angeles.)
This happened again (not sure about Koreans specifically), but in case you didn't see, the stores that didn't get looted were being protected by groups of store owners and friends armed with AR-15's. Pic: http://www.libertynews.com/201...
Far too many cops used to use their blunt force instruments in ways that would permanently harm - usually blows to the head.
Cops, especially in America, have always been excessive in use of force. Some police depts in other countries have toned it down a LOT but many haven't and it seems that the American ones are at the back of the pack among the G20 nations.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
You don't see this type of shit in open carry states.
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I think the captcha bot is racist.
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Boy talking about the wrong word for the subject :}
Both unfortunate as well as funny in a way (it was just it's time to show up).
there is word for "that other man" Dorian Johnson, proven liar who changed his testimony, in the english tongue: it is "accomplice".