"Theres a huge difference between taking away market choices" Apple has the capacity to remotely uninstall software from your iDevice. That is blatant censorship. They also have the ability to tell you what you can, and cannot do with their products after sale. They also keep tabs on you, and there is no option to remove the battery, that would prevent eavsdropping
"RMS comes across as an intelligent dude, and I respect that he is consistent, but he seriously lacks perspective and I think his priorities / values are all out of whack." He attacks problems that in his field of expertise.
Given how much computers, to include cell phones are used, and what they are used for, its a very big deal.
Protestors in the arab spring that toppled dictators used computers and cell phones to communicate. If these had hidden backdoors the regime had access to, the events would have happened diffrently.
Imagine if apple could simply erase or steal sensative data from phones, and imagine if this ability gets used by pro-regime forces in the next big protest, anywhere, against any government or other large power holding entity. Apple could quickly yank applications and data being used to critize, or make opinions they don't like, or are forced/bribed to reject.
"but because he has the balls to go the other way in a feature driven world."
steve jobs made nothing. He is a businessman who sold you things. He made none of the features you use.
apple has been caugh repeatedly patenting things that existed prior. The only thing they are good at is selling other people's inventions and blocking them out of their own innovations.
"That was the hope with Thunderbolt/LightPeak, which is on all Macs these days and works well. One cable carries two full-duplex 10Gb channels (10Gb each way simultaneously per channel)" terribly complicated $50 cables with microcontroller sin the wire to handle connections.
They are basicly PCI-E lanes built into an external jack. Intel wanted to do fibre optics with the protocol, but it never happened.
"Now we have a slower standard coming much later for which existing cables may or may not work but look the same as the current ones... fun."
backwards compatible with devices. thats what is going to sell.
"They all use slightly different versions of libraries, each of which introduces slightly different bugs and issues into the environment."
this is far far better than microsoft's use of repackaging the C++ re distributable (why is that not part of the OS), with slightly diffrent versions on every app that includes it with the installer.
In practice, I've NEVER ran into a problem, installing debian packages in ubuntu, or ubuntu packages in mint, etc.... entirely unported in binary. Even running built for ubuntu binaries on arch linux, with official packages. Given arch is rolling release, its going to have some extreme glibc version mismatches.
"You still need a deployment build environment and a test platform for every target - which would include every sub-distro you want to support, as they all have different package sets right down to libc, every "branch" (testing, stable, etc) and so on. " no they don't, and no you don't. glibc has a very very very wide range of compatibility version number wise. More so than the MS C/C++ re distributable libs.
There are many proprietary pieces of software which work great cross distro, flash, skype, nvidia drivers, etc...
don't tell me they are all tested on every distro, on every build. They are not.
I keep on hearing this argument, and I am going to call "bullshit".
thanks. I'm a big free software advocate personally, but I think extremism has weakened the "brand name".(like any other religion). I am Free software religious, but I am a moderate. Extremism in any religion, software or otherwise is terrible.
while I don't like unfree software, its understood, that unfree drivers are mainly used by people who play unfree games. That said, the vast bulk of the software they use on linux IS free software, and having a bigger install base of free software is what will encourage more companies to take Open Source business model seriously. The more of the computer scene that targets GNU/Liunx, the more clout we really have.
Given its also a user based community, its more people submitting more bug reports to the other Free software they do run, which helps improve Free software for everyone else.
The biggest way we are going to sell people on Free Software is showing how good it can work. Growing the user base, and gaining visibility is how we do that. We also need to be a viable option for people who either cannot run windows, or will not. Poaching disaffected users is a great way to win converts. Screaming at people is not.
That said, both drivers target different audiences.
I use both on different machines, for different reasons.
the way arch linux's package system works, it makes building packages very very very easy. the PKGBUILDS are also bash, with build() and package() functions where you can insert whatever bash code you want.
as with steam the steam package, all it takes is 10 lines of bash to get whatever ubuntu package you want, packaged for arch.
The AUR, is a community repository for uploading said build scripts. If as much as one archer wants it, and is half competitant in bash, there will be a PKGBUILD in AUR.
packaging for arch is easy, flexible, and so powerful, almost any packages of value for other systems are immediately poached and re-written for arch, if only in the form of a build script. For an end user to install such package its
1. download tarball from AUR with pkgbuild 2. tar -zxvf tarball 3. cd (package name) 4. makepkg 5. sudo pacman -U packagename-version.pkg.tar.xz
they all use the same libraries, and the one last thing they all have diffrent is the init/start up/control scripts, and that doesn't effect games. Guess what, that is getting standardized too now (systemd).
As long as you have the right dependencies on the package, its all gravy. packages are just renamed compressed archives, and they can easily be repackaged in 20 lines of bash, something that runs on all linux machines.
"On the other hand, this report has me wondering exactly what the Atom team is up to."
Same thing they've always been up to, competing with ARM.
At first they needed to be low power, when top of the line ARM was 650mhz on a single core. Within 3 years, ARM got quad-cores running at 1.5ghz and other enhancements.
What changed was the competition.
If your looking for cheap no frills x86 SoC, try an AMD Geode.
"Its impossible for an armed SANE person to kill an unarmed person who is begging for their life in a common language." You'd be surprised how much of this country doesn't fit your basic requirements of sanity.
"That's why we have bombers and artillery... to facilitate atrocities and merciless killings by sane people." bombers and artillery won't put down an insurgency. Insurgents look like everyone else when they are not insurging. Innocent people usually don't have the means, or prior knowledge to leave an area before a bomb strike. insurgents do.
The US Government never had the stomach for wide scale mass annihilation of civilian populaces. They didn't not in Afghanistan, nor Iraq, not even in Viet Nam. The Government is not going to start on its own soil. Not even with bombers, missles, or laser guided munitions from a couch somewhere far away.
nouveau is feature complete for 2D and 3D rendering, in addition, without OpenCL, CUDA, or the bells and whistles of new hardware, it just might work better for this guy's application.
nouveau renders the world wide web just fine, it also works all the way back to NV04.
Your also not going to be playing the latest games on your old video card anyway.
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if we're smart, we download and save them, before they disapear.
Adobe Audition is what Cool Edit became.
Cool Edit 2.0 is still very usable software 12 years later, and so is the classic cool edit 96
joke all you want, thats how their country works.
Bartenders says the deutche equiv of "weights and measures" doesn't fuck around, and mispouring a beer is a serious offense.
more importantly, did they finally get tech II BPOs for the laser?
"obviously the main problem with the nouveau driver is that all the features are not available yet. I feel I am missing a point."
power management, and and running the card as a general purpose computer via CUDA are not yet supported.
however using it simply as video card is feature complete. you just won't get the same performance as the propriatary driver
"Theres a huge difference between taking away market choices"
Apple has the capacity to remotely uninstall software from your iDevice. That is blatant censorship. They also have the ability to tell you what you can, and cannot do with their products after sale. They also keep tabs on you, and there is no option to remove the battery, that would prevent eavsdropping
"RMS comes across as an intelligent dude, and I respect that he is consistent, but he seriously lacks perspective and I think his priorities / values are all out of whack."
He attacks problems that in his field of expertise.
Given how much computers, to include cell phones are used, and what they are used for, its a very big deal.
Protestors in the arab spring that toppled dictators used computers and cell phones to communicate. If these had hidden backdoors the regime had access to, the events would have happened diffrently.
Imagine if apple could simply erase or steal sensative data from phones, and imagine if this ability gets used by pro-regime forces in the next big protest, anywhere, against any government or other large power holding entity. Apple could quickly yank applications and data being used to critize, or make opinions they don't like, or are forced/bribed to reject.
go a day without something a useless geek has invented or done for you.
Lets face it, if all of us went on strike, one day, the western world wouild stop before noon.
"but because he has the balls to go the other way in a feature driven world."
steve jobs made nothing. He is a businessman who sold you things. He made none of the features you use.
apple has been caugh repeatedly patenting things that existed prior. The only thing they are good at is selling other people's inventions and blocking them out of their own innovations.
"RMS: I hope that a lot of the community shares my views of Jobs and Apple. I ask them to stand up and be counted."
damn skippy. On my feet.
"That was the hope with Thunderbolt/LightPeak, which is on all Macs these days and works well. One cable carries two full-duplex 10Gb channels (10Gb each way simultaneously per channel)"
terribly complicated $50 cables with microcontroller sin the wire to handle connections.
They are basicly PCI-E lanes built into an external jack. Intel wanted to do fibre optics with the protocol, but it never happened.
"Now we have a slower standard coming much later for which existing cables may or may not work but look the same as the current ones... fun."
backwards compatible with devices. thats what is going to sell.
"They all use slightly different versions of libraries, each of which introduces slightly different bugs and issues into the environment."
this is far far better than microsoft's use of repackaging the C++ re distributable (why is that not part of the OS), with slightly diffrent versions on every app that includes it with the installer.
In practice, I've NEVER ran into a problem, installing debian packages in ubuntu, or ubuntu packages in mint, etc.... entirely unported in binary. Even running built for ubuntu binaries on arch linux, with official packages. Given arch is rolling release, its going to have some extreme glibc version mismatches.
"You still need a deployment build environment and a test platform for every target - which would include every sub-distro you want to support, as they all have different package sets right down to libc, every "branch" (testing, stable, etc) and so on. "
no they don't, and no you don't. glibc has a very very very wide range of compatibility version number wise. More so than the MS C/C++ re distributable libs.
There are many proprietary pieces of software which work great cross distro, flash, skype, nvidia drivers, etc...
don't tell me they are all tested on every distro, on every build. They are not.
I keep on hearing this argument, and I am going to call "bullshit".
I do "all of the above"
I keep the old code in comments while the new code gets some degree of testing, after which the old code is deleted.
still with commits in version control.
wouldn't this be a perfect place for a hacker space?
anyone else?
thanks. I'm a big free software advocate personally, but I think extremism has weakened the "brand name".(like any other religion). I am Free software religious, but I am a moderate. Extremism in any religion, software or otherwise is terrible.
while I don't like unfree software, its understood, that unfree drivers are mainly used by people who play unfree games. That said, the vast bulk of the software they use on linux IS free software, and having a bigger install base of free software is what will encourage more companies to take Open Source business model seriously. The more of the computer scene that targets GNU/Liunx, the more clout we really have.
Given its also a user based community, its more people submitting more bug reports to the other Free software they do run, which helps improve Free software for everyone else.
The biggest way we are going to sell people on Free Software is showing how good it can work. Growing the user base, and gaining visibility is how we do that. We also need to be a viable option for people who either cannot run windows, or will not. Poaching disaffected users is a great way to win converts. Screaming at people is not.
That said, both drivers target different audiences.
I use both on different machines, for different reasons.
the way arch linux's package system works, it makes building packages very very very easy. the PKGBUILDS are also bash, with build() and package() functions where you can insert whatever bash code you want.
as with steam the steam package, all it takes is 10 lines of bash to get whatever ubuntu package you want, packaged for arch.
The AUR, is a community repository for uploading said build scripts. If as much as one archer wants it, and is half competitant in bash, there will be a PKGBUILD in AUR.
packaging for arch is easy, flexible, and so powerful, almost any packages of value for other systems are immediately poached and re-written for arch, if only in the form of a build script. For an end user to install such package
its
1. download tarball from AUR with pkgbuild
2. tar -zxvf tarball
3. cd (package name)
4. makepkg
5. sudo pacman -U packagename-version.pkg.tar.xz
profit.
it'd be far easier to get a program working across several distros of linux, than all windows versions since XP.
and linux handles librariesfar far far better.
the mac version of WoW runs on OpenGL
in what branding? package management?
they all use the same libraries, and the one last thing they all have diffrent is the init/start up/control scripts, and that doesn't effect games. Guess what, that is getting standardized too now (systemd).
As long as you have the right dependencies on the package, its all gravy. packages are just renamed compressed archives, and they can easily be repackaged in 20 lines of bash, something that runs on all linux machines.
angry birds?
Dear Bliz devs:
I've bought every expansion as soon as I can.
I run WoW in wine.
If we get an official port, me and all my friends will buy some of those white elephant knick knacks you like to sell.
"targeting a specific version of the platform?"
.deb for ubuntu, and it will filter into derivatives like mint.
.tar.gz with the compiled binaries and make file with install instructions, a README and INSTALL files.
what?
Release a
Most GNU/Linux libraries are pretty standard, and version compatibility is pretty wide.
For everything else, release a
From this, every other distro will be able to make their own packages.
"On the other hand, this report has me wondering exactly what the Atom team is up to."
Same thing they've always been up to, competing with ARM.
At first they needed to be low power, when top of the line ARM was 650mhz on a single core. Within 3 years, ARM got quad-cores running at 1.5ghz and other enhancements.
What changed was the competition.
If your looking for cheap no frills x86 SoC, try an AMD Geode.
today's current devices require more however.
should add your getting this from a former US Solider who's looked at things from the side of the US Army.
"Its impossible for an armed SANE person to kill an unarmed person who is begging for their life in a common language."
You'd be surprised how much of this country doesn't fit your basic requirements of sanity.
"That's why we have bombers and artillery... to facilitate atrocities and merciless killings by sane people."
bombers and artillery won't put down an insurgency. Insurgents look like everyone else when they are not insurging. Innocent people usually don't have the means, or prior knowledge to leave an area before a bomb strike. insurgents do.
The US Government never had the stomach for wide scale mass annihilation of civilian populaces. They didn't not in Afghanistan, nor Iraq, not even in Viet Nam. The Government is not going to start on its own soil. Not even with bombers, missles, or laser guided munitions from a couch somewhere far away.
Or dopey democrats who will find I way to spend as much as possible to operate it, then blame the republicans....
your partisan schill weasel words annoy me. get out
" it can't do CUDA, DirectCompute or OpenCL"
nouveau is feature complete for 2D and 3D rendering, in addition, without OpenCL, CUDA, or the bells and whistles of new hardware, it just might work better for this guy's application.
nouveau renders the world wide web just fine, it also works all the way back to NV04.
Your also not going to be playing the latest games on your old video card anyway.