Are they using this to campaign in the traditional sense or is the line between PR/Advertisement and "Spy Agency" is growing thinner and thinner. After all, the CIA started merely reading russian newspapers and expanded from there.
Are they gathering information to conduct survailence, and perhaps the type of "blag bag jobs" that become easier and deniable after conducting lengthy intellegence gathering on your subject. Where is the line.
What safeguards do we have in place to prevent these intellegence gathering PR agencies from: Spreading disinformation on enemies, that sounds plausable, based on information they've gathered. Digging up dirt on politicians enemies and disemenating it. Using the social network to intimidate non-likely voters by having their friends shame and intimidate them into voting.
Looking up information on critics, and digging up dirt on critics
Digging up dirt on potential voters to keep them in line with some form of blackmail.
What system do we have to investigate these people should their massive campaigns succeed and their clients now have the power to pardon or otherwise shield them from the legal proccess after being elected.
What happens when these PR goons become the new prateroian guard?
paranoid is good when you are dealing with security. If your security product doesn't properly asses the concerns of the paranoid, its a shitty secutiy product.
and before the Jews had it, it was known as cannan, and the jews took it by force from the cananites.
And before the muslims conquered it, the Romans "reaquested it" from the Jewish kings, who stood as their allies for 1-2 generations before assuming power. Like Romans nominally do/did.
It was Roman turf when Jesus was around.
Then the roman empire when christian, and it was christian land. Then the Roman empire split, and it was West Roman/Byzantine turf.
Then when that fell I think somewhere around 1150, it was muslim ottoman turf.
until they were beaten by the brits in ww1, and it was brittish turf. Then the Brits gave some of it to the zionists.
So who really has a "legitimate" claim, that isn't backed by conquest?
Go find any surviving cananites and get back to me.
"Was TWO "Evil Empires" - holding each other mostly in check."
bullshit. it was this that empowered a petty bunch of dictators in the third world to gain power, knowing that embracing one side with rhetoric, would give them funding, support, and greater legitimacy, and that blinders put on by paranoia would smooth any rough edges.
Especially when this "cyber-bullying" thing tends to be yet another overblown, over-hyped excuse to charge people for things they say on the internet, and even more excuses of setting up surviallence of tracking dissenters on the internet.
American law enforcement has a long sorid history of protecting the people in power(to from include critism and legitimate protests) first, and settling petty disputes between us "peasants" second, if at all, or mabey it a handful of show trials to keep support for the massive surviallence state.
Why is it that those new Homeland Security "fusion" centers spend more time spying on people and not targeting any of the terrorists they were promised to?(this was here on slashdot a few weeks ago)
Why is, when the FBI can't come up with real terrorists, they make some, bust them, and declare victory?(NY times article actually).
Why was shooting suspect Jared Longer put on massive amounts of mind altering drugs against his will before they let him appear in court? What about auroa shooting suspect Jon Holms?
What about how the FBI harrasses people think are "undesirables" by making accusations of criminal activity to their friends, family, and co-workers
What about the police in maine DOX'ing prostituion suspects pre-trial?
What about in the good state of NJ, when you complain about the police you get "black balled", meaning the cops won't come to protect you, they might even impersonate or tip off the criminal element.
What about the war on drugs, no police department has made a concetrated effort to really eliminate drugs, but just rile up a few arrests come budget time.
Does anyone really trust Law Enforcement to be better than Anonymous?
This is on a forum dedicated to nerds for the same agency that kicks down doors with heavily armored thugs for computer crimes, but handles financial and other business crime with well connected suspects civilly(allowing them to turn themselves in, and ROR most of the time), and jail time is mostly dropped.
Until the Law Enforcement as a whole, specifically starts treating the mass of computer nerds better than stockbrokers
Until rule of law is re established.
Until the police stop setting people up for their convience.
Until the hackers are treated better than stock brokers, and punishment for cybercrime is brought on line with physical equivilants(or lower, for being non-violent)
Until the police system replaces fearmongering, stereotypes, and propaganda with real detective skills based on proven science(like you think they have, but are really rare in actuality).
Until they stop people being thrown in mental "hospitals" because the government cannot convict them in courts.
Until the cops spends more time going after criminals than dissent. Until they can recognize the diffrence.
Until the cops stop using the same tatics anonymous does, harrassing people's friends, family, and DOX'ing them,
Until the police stop acting as a private organization that gets to pick and choose who they protect based on who supports them.
Until the government stops treating public reasources like a private entity, and gets to pick and choose who gets to use them based on who supports them.
Until all that, I trust a bunch of kids on the internet over them. At there worse they are never as bad as the cops, or the government.
Wait, whats that? I'm hiding behind a keyboard on the internet. Damn skippy I am. I don't wanna be mugged tonight because I critiqued the system. I don't wanna be raided by 50 large, well armed and armored men, who believe I am associated with whatever rouge group whatever alphabet soup agency labeled me as in revenge.(Ironicly, it might be Anonymous)
Your right, I'm not a big guy, I'm not a tought guy at all, I'm not a lawyer. I am not connected to any powerful organization. I am joe average 99%'er. I have natural, god given even, rights that are not b
I was saying we wouldn't be in a cyber arms race and face cyber attacks if we hadn't previously attacked the same countries now attacking us.
Instead of attacking other countries with, and investigating new cyber weapons, we should be investing more in defense and secure infastructure, to make being attacked harder.
It seems that "shaming" is fine for sex crimes, but why stop there.
Everyime someone is convicted of corruption, or stock fraud, or white collar crimes, we should publish a list, with names, and faces, and shame those bastards into honesty?
"Well I didn't say he was a NICE guy, I said he was a SMART guy and one can be a smart guy and a bit of an asshole, see Gates, EDISON, Jobs, hell a bit of doucheyness seems to go with the turf."
Tall order first comparing either of these scumbags to RMS. for his faults, can you name ONE THING either of these men did that will ever compare to gcc and glibc, and the other libs associated, to make a very good, very free toolchain which most of the free/open ecosystem depends on
Second. you've dismissed RMS purely on asthetical grounds, and as far as crackpot conspiracy theories, Gates takes the key. Stallman never asserted his competition was a "virus" or "Communist(tm)" or "un-American", in allusion to demanding the the federal government eliminate it through shady intellegence work as been done in the past.
So, one is an activist, and the remaining three are corporate scumbags out to take your rights, your money, and demand you smile while they do.
Mabey in Free Software/Open Source we have much diffrent values than the mainstream. We care when things work. We care about fixing bugs that aren't on the user interface. We don't deflect problems with corporate marketing men.
So if your going to ask me if I agree with Stallman on everything, I'd say no. If you're gonna ask if I think some of his IDEAS are a little out there, I'll say "yeah", but vouching for his moral character based on totally asthetics is not something the geek community does. Then you have the nerve to compare him to the three biggest tyrants, robber barrons, and most incompetent people in technology.
As for the people who cannot stand that the smartest people are not always the most attractive? We don't need you in FOSS. In fact we are better if you left. As for end consumers I'd be damned if they ever knew who RMS was, and don't care. If you consider yourself a techie and half to look at the physical attractiveness of the speaker to detemine his merit, your not.
I am sure that someone can always fine a nice ex-porn star(either gender or sexual orientation) or someone to put RMSs words into plain english for the non-techie types, and sell some newb distro to them.
For the rest of us, your critisms of stallman are hollow, and ring an awfully like yet another paid microsoft stooge who just doesn't get it.
"All this is doing is hurting ongoing performance on Linux, and people are trying to blame Nvidia because of it."
my peformance on linux is being hurt by crappy and sometimes unstable,(yet feature complete) drivers. Yeah, I go game, I do mine bitcoins and things like that, and I DID spent $500 on a then top of the line nVidia card.
They do make some nice cards.
Before this came up, I was crippled with a bug the proprietary driver had with QT that lasted for a few months, where QT apps would segfault X. What did I do? I ran nouveau for 3 months.
What can nouvea do? All resolutions, it can run a desktop, it can do 2d acceleration, animations, and render video quiete nicely. the 2d performance is actually better than nVidia binaries. It can also accelerate 3d feature complete, but slower.
What can't it do? Its sigifigantly slower at rendering 3d to the point that playing video games is not possible.(but it will render them correctly). It also won't run OpenCL accross my hundreds of CUDA cores.
Why can't the nouveau team match the feature complete capabilities of nVidia's binary? Its because they don't have the full specs of the cards. They don't know how the hardware is made. They have no documentation. The nouveau team has not even asked for source code, they simply asked for API documentation so they can write their own code.
So, seriously, from a practical standpoint, if nVidia open sourced their drivers, people like the nouveau team, instead of wasting their time making a 3rd party driver, would probably work on fixing and improving the nVidia driver, for free. They're would be these bugs.
So don't tell me that's the fault of free software, BECAUSE FREE SOFTWARE WORKS JUST FINE.
Redhat, and the other corporations, and thousands of grateful nerds who are greatly appreciative of their products will help with the drivers.
See the racket is with big phrama, its a shell game. They get everyone hooked on drugs, and when they can't pay, they get the government to subsidize it.
If the government subsidizes it, the poor can pay for the life destroying chemicals, and the tax payer foots the bill. Big Phrama is still getting paid somehow.
Like other industries, they can use celebrities, hollywood PR goons and famous "liberal" personalilities to spin their racket into a "postive good".
You mean, the US could spent less money on fearmongering, sting operations to trick poor and socially outcast citizens into conducting fake terrorist attacks for TV. Far flung surviallence systems, which don't work.
Instead of this crazy cloak and dagger shit, they could have invested in systems that were secure by default, and well coded that would resist cyber assault. In fact with the money spent, I'm sure they could simply paid many many many programers to do nothing but check and re-double check code, fuzz, and re-fuzz a bunch of apps until cyber breakins were not feasaible.
I am sure they could have done the same with all routers, and in the case of a massive foriegn DDoS, simply firewalled it.
Then we have magnetic ink, special cloth paper, and a few other things needed beyond high res printers and scanners.
The amount of effort will limit the amount of counterfeiting operations, and the size and scale will be big enough to raise flags for investigators to notice.
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extremely fun too. I've got experiance with the 8-bit versions.
35 command instruction set. talk about a REAL RISC machine.
that said, I've got the entire instruction set memorized.
no its really not. its a general purpose computer, thats just really really really small.
Are they using this to campaign in the traditional sense or is the line between PR/Advertisement and "Spy Agency" is growing thinner and thinner. After all, the CIA started merely reading russian newspapers and expanded from there.
Are they gathering information to conduct survailence, and perhaps the type of "blag bag jobs" that become easier and deniable after conducting lengthy intellegence gathering on your subject. Where is the line.
What safeguards do we have in place to prevent these intellegence gathering PR agencies from:
Spreading disinformation on enemies, that sounds plausable, based on information they've gathered.
Digging up dirt on politicians enemies and disemenating it.
Using the social network to intimidate non-likely voters by having their friends shame and intimidate them into voting.
Looking up information on critics, and digging up dirt on critics
Digging up dirt on potential voters to keep them in line with some form of blackmail.
What system do we have to investigate these people should their massive campaigns succeed and their clients now have the power to pardon or otherwise shield them from the legal proccess after being elected.
What happens when these PR goons become the new prateroian guard?
paranoid is good when you are dealing with security. If your security product doesn't properly asses the concerns of the paranoid, its a shitty secutiy product.
I play wow on wine, and its really really really easy, stable, and feature complete.
don't know abtout that other game
"the '50 cent party' â€" a commenter paid half a dollar every time he derails an online debate in China"
I wonder how many microsofties on here have similar arrangements.
Its what you do when you study english.
This is awesome, but I'd never expect this in a million years
this needs to happen in the US as well.
Next Steve Ballmer needs to apologize to Linux Tovalds for calling his works a "virus"
"Yet the US constantly talks about bombing the Iranian people"
lets be fair here, even the worst of them are planning targeting raids on uranium and nuclear facilties only, common Iranians, no.
Some US politicians constantly talk about bombing Iran because of netanyahoo
we can surely critize Israel for non-signing.
And being complete hypocrits for having the very same clandestine nuclear program they accuse Iran of doing.
As far as supporting terror. Israel were the ones backing the recent Persian MEK attacks against Iranian nuclear scientists.
and before the Jews had it, it was known as cannan, and the jews took it by force from the cananites.
And before the muslims conquered it, the Romans "reaquested it" from the Jewish kings, who stood as their allies for 1-2 generations before assuming power. Like Romans nominally do/did.
It was Roman turf when Jesus was around.
Then the roman empire when christian, and it was christian land. Then the Roman empire split, and it was West Roman/Byzantine turf.
Then when that fell I think somewhere around 1150, it was muslim ottoman turf.
until they were beaten by the brits in ww1, and it was brittish turf. Then the Brits gave some of it to the zionists.
So who really has a "legitimate" claim, that isn't backed by conquest?
Go find any surviving cananites and get back to me.
"Was TWO "Evil Empires" - holding each other mostly in check."
bullshit. it was this that empowered a petty bunch of dictators in the third world to gain power, knowing that embracing one side with rhetoric, would give them funding, support, and greater legitimacy, and that blinders put on by paranoia would smooth any rough edges.
why would anyone trust the government.
Especially when this "cyber-bullying" thing tends to be yet another overblown, over-hyped excuse to charge people for things they say on the internet, and even more excuses of setting up surviallence of tracking dissenters on the internet.
American law enforcement has a long sorid history of protecting the people in power(to from include critism and legitimate protests) first, and settling petty disputes between us "peasants" second, if at all, or mabey it a handful of show trials to keep support for the massive surviallence state.
Why is it that those new Homeland Security "fusion" centers spend more time spying on people and not targeting any of the terrorists they were promised to?(this was here on slashdot a few weeks ago)
Why is, when the FBI can't come up with real terrorists, they make some, bust them, and declare victory?(NY times article actually).
Why was shooting suspect Jared Longer put on massive amounts of mind altering drugs against his will before they let him appear in court? What about auroa shooting suspect Jon Holms?
What about how the FBI harrasses people think are "undesirables" by making accusations of criminal activity to their friends, family, and co-workers
What about the police in maine DOX'ing prostituion suspects pre-trial?
What about in the good state of NJ, when you complain about the police you get "black balled", meaning the cops won't come to protect you, they might even impersonate or tip off the criminal element.
What about the war on drugs, no police department has made a concetrated effort to really eliminate drugs, but just rile up a few arrests come budget time.
Does anyone really trust Law Enforcement to be better than Anonymous?
This is on a forum dedicated to nerds for the same agency that kicks down doors with heavily armored thugs for computer crimes, but handles financial and other business crime with well connected suspects civilly(allowing them to turn themselves in, and ROR most of the time), and jail time is mostly dropped.
Until the Law Enforcement as a whole, specifically starts treating the mass of computer nerds better than stockbrokers
Until rule of law is re established.
Until the police stop setting people up for their convience.
Until the hackers are treated better than stock brokers, and punishment for cybercrime is brought on line with physical equivilants(or lower, for being non-violent)
Until the police system replaces fearmongering, stereotypes, and propaganda with real detective skills based on proven science(like you think they have, but are really rare in actuality).
Until they stop people being thrown in mental "hospitals" because the government cannot convict them in courts.
Until the cops spends more time going after criminals than dissent. Until they can recognize the diffrence.
Until the cops stop using the same tatics anonymous does, harrassing people's friends, family, and DOX'ing them,
Until the police stop acting as a private organization that gets to pick and choose who they protect based on who supports them.
Until the government stops treating public reasources like a private entity, and gets to pick and choose who gets to use them based on who supports them.
Until all that, I trust a bunch of kids on the internet over them. At there worse they are never as bad as the cops, or the government.
Wait, whats that? I'm hiding behind a keyboard on the internet. Damn skippy I am. I don't wanna be mugged tonight because I critiqued the system. I don't wanna be raided by 50 large, well armed and armored men, who believe I am associated with whatever rouge group whatever alphabet soup agency labeled me as in revenge.(Ironicly, it might be Anonymous)
Your right, I'm not a big guy, I'm not a tought guy at all, I'm not a lawyer. I am not connected to any powerful organization. I am joe average 99%'er. I have natural, god given even, rights that are not b
good luck.
Anonymous does more moralfagging than the cops do.
no. quite the opposite.
I was saying we wouldn't be in a cyber arms race and face cyber attacks if we hadn't previously attacked the same countries now attacking us.
Instead of attacking other countries with, and investigating new cyber weapons, we should be investing more in defense and secure infastructure, to make being attacked harder.
I agree, even at the college level the amount of time spent on Post WW2 America is disasterous.
Never once have I seen a good discussion on the 1980s.
It seems that "shaming" is fine for sex crimes, but why stop there.
Everyime someone is convicted of corruption, or stock fraud, or white collar crimes, we should publish a list, with names, and faces, and shame those bastards into honesty?
good idea?
"Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta that the United States was at risk of a "cyber-Pearl Harbor." "
Durring Pearl Harbor, we were unprovakably attacked.
It looks we already attacked Iran with cyber weapons and this is retaliation.
"Well I didn't say he was a NICE guy, I said he was a SMART guy and one can be a smart guy and a bit of an asshole, see Gates, EDISON, Jobs, hell a bit of doucheyness seems to go with the turf."
Tall order first comparing either of these scumbags to RMS. for his faults, can you name ONE THING either of these men did that will ever compare to gcc and glibc, and the other libs associated, to make a very good, very free toolchain which most of the free/open ecosystem depends on
Second. you've dismissed RMS purely on asthetical grounds, and as far as crackpot conspiracy theories, Gates takes the key. Stallman never asserted his competition was a "virus" or "Communist(tm)" or "un-American", in allusion to demanding the the federal government eliminate it through shady intellegence work as been done in the past.
So, one is an activist, and the remaining three are corporate scumbags out to take your rights, your money, and demand you smile while they do.
Mabey in Free Software/Open Source we have much diffrent values than the mainstream. We care when things work. We care about fixing bugs that aren't on the user interface. We don't deflect problems with corporate marketing men.
So if your going to ask me if I agree with Stallman on everything, I'd say no. If you're gonna ask if I think some of his IDEAS are a little out there, I'll say "yeah", but vouching for his moral character based on totally asthetics is not something the geek community does. Then you have the nerve to compare him to the three biggest tyrants, robber barrons, and most incompetent people in technology.
As for the people who cannot stand that the smartest people are not always the most attractive? We don't need you in FOSS. In fact we are better if you left. As for end consumers I'd be damned if they ever knew who RMS was, and don't care. If you consider yourself a techie and half to look at the physical attractiveness of the speaker to detemine his merit, your not.
I am sure that someone can always fine a nice ex-porn star(either gender or sexual orientation) or someone to put RMSs words into plain english for the non-techie types, and sell some newb distro to them.
For the rest of us, your critisms of stallman are hollow, and ring an awfully like yet another paid microsoft stooge who just doesn't get it.
'For all the stuff he got wrong, Karl Marx was dead on about religion being "the opiate of the people"'
mabey in his day. I see it as the "crack coccaine"
"All this is doing is hurting ongoing performance on Linux, and people are trying to blame Nvidia because of it."
my peformance on linux is being hurt by crappy and sometimes unstable,(yet feature complete) drivers. Yeah, I go game, I do mine bitcoins and things like that, and I DID spent $500 on a then top of the line nVidia card.
They do make some nice cards.
Before this came up, I was crippled with a bug the proprietary driver had with QT that lasted for a few months, where QT apps would segfault X. What did I do? I ran nouveau for 3 months.
What can nouvea do? All resolutions, it can run a desktop, it can do 2d acceleration, animations, and render video quiete nicely. the 2d performance is actually better than nVidia binaries. It can also accelerate 3d feature complete, but slower.
What can't it do? Its sigifigantly slower at rendering 3d to the point that playing video games is not possible.(but it will render them correctly). It also won't run OpenCL accross my hundreds of CUDA cores.
Why can't the nouveau team match the feature complete capabilities of nVidia's binary? Its because they don't have the full specs of the cards. They don't know how the hardware is made. They have no documentation. The nouveau team has not even asked for source code, they simply asked for API documentation so they can write their own code.
So, seriously, from a practical standpoint, if nVidia open sourced their drivers, people like the nouveau team, instead of wasting their time making a 3rd party driver, would probably work on fixing and improving the nVidia driver, for free. They're would be these bugs.
So don't tell me that's the fault of free software, BECAUSE FREE SOFTWARE WORKS JUST FINE.
Redhat, and the other corporations, and thousands of grateful nerds who are greatly appreciative of their products will help with the drivers.
At least since the 1980s.
See the racket is with big phrama, its a shell game. They get everyone hooked on drugs, and when they can't pay, they get the government to subsidize it.
If the government subsidizes it, the poor can pay for the life destroying chemicals, and the tax payer foots the bill. Big Phrama is still getting paid somehow.
Like other industries, they can use celebrities, hollywood PR goons and famous "liberal" personalilities to spin their racket into a "postive good".
You mean, the US could spent less money on fearmongering, sting operations to trick poor and socially outcast citizens into conducting fake terrorist attacks for TV. Far flung surviallence systems, which don't work.
Instead of this crazy cloak and dagger shit, they could have invested in systems that were secure by default, and well coded that would resist cyber assault. In fact with the money spent, I'm sure they could simply paid many many many programers to do nothing but check and re-double check code, fuzz, and re-fuzz a bunch of apps until cyber breakins were not feasaible.
I am sure they could have done the same with all routers, and in the case of a massive foriegn DDoS, simply firewalled it.
" is it surprising that a House candidate is also given short shrift?"
OP was polling at 7%, niether green nor libertarian canidate get more than %1
congressional races actually have a chance of being taken seriously.
case and point, Bernie Sanders
I'm not giving ABC or any large RIAA controlled media the benefit of the doubt.
fuck them. they are all known liars.
as well as rare enough they can be checked.
Then we have magnetic ink, special cloth paper, and a few other things needed beyond high res printers and scanners.
The amount of effort will limit the amount of counterfeiting operations, and the size and scale will be big enough to raise flags for investigators to notice.